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(asciilifeform) Vex: it's the sound, and the aesthetics, and the fact that every cunt on board has his affairs in order
(pest) asciilifeform: hapax: ffa was originally for a 'realtime' application, but this fell through, asciilifeform decided that it oughta be turned into a rationally-designed replacement for gpg et al
(pest) hapax: (reading some other sources as well, but ffa is a great introduction)
(pest) hapax: i've actually been learning ada with the ffa series
(pest) hapax: but how to get ffa to memory?
(pest) asciilifeform: no reason why dos conventional mem limit oughta apply to anything in dos ffa
(pest) asciilifeform notes, re: possible field applications of 'dos ffa', that not 1 single fg purchaser asked for the rs232 plug. tho it aint difficult to buy off shelf
(pest) hapax: i mean, ward right now contains enough "runtime" to run peh+ffa
(pest) hapax: asciilifeform: been thinking about the "ffa on bare iron"
(pest) asciilifeform on a break from commercial worx, and very recently picked ffa back up, there's several unreleased chapters from 2020 that need cleanup
(pest) hapax: i actually never got to properly testing the speed of ffa on my opteron
(pest) asciilifeform: the orig rationale for 'ffa on dos' was 'crypto on nicless/airgapped box, single-tasking, 0 extraneous softs, boot in <1s', roughly
(pest) asciilifeform: (would make for a faster ffa there, among other things)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-02-04 asciilifeform: i intend to port ffa to msdos, for instance, and don't expect that gnat will be building it ~on~ dos box.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-02-04 asciilifeform: i intend to port ffa to msdos, for instance, and don't expect that gnat will be building it ~on~ dos box.
(asciilifeform) hapax: asciilifeform: been wondering, are you still planning to [port http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-02-04#1892574][ffa to dos]?
(pest) asciilifeform: s8x is arguably analogous to the 'egyptian' algo collection in ffa. readable, 'elegant', but slow.
(asciilifeform) Vex: I'll sit it right next to FFA on the shelf
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-01-20 15:01:15 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: from lizard pov, white who expects to e.g. live in own house, is seen similarly to how 19th c american settler saw indian who expected to freely horse around hunting buffalo. i.e. 'annoying, entitled pest'
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-09-26 02:51:27 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: for readers not up to date with the state of southern affairs; presuming a constitution holds any kind of weight for the man with the silver spoon, efforts are being made to "amend" it
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2023-09-26 02:51:27 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: for readers not up to date with the state of southern affairs; presuming a constitution holds any kind of weight for the man with the silver spoon, efforts are being made to "amend" it
(pest) dulapbot: Logged on 2023-09-26 02:49:33 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: for readers not up to date with the state of southern affairs; presuming a constitution holds any kind of weight for the man with the silver spoon, efforts are being made to "amend" it
(pest) crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: for readers not up to date with the state of southern affairs; presuming a constitution holds any kind of weight for the man with the silver spoon, efforts are being made to "amend" it
(pest) dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-11-25 asciilifeform: ink about how to get out of problems like that. Outside the poker table, consider any problem that starts with the words “So, I have been having a steamy secret affair with the wife of this violent mob boss, and now she...”'
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-10-01 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-06#1027951 << ffa series ch.1 has 100% of errything one'd want to know re 'how do i bake builds on gnat'
(pest) asciilifeform as guilty as the rest, also had 'vtools tarballs' linx in e.g. ffa
(pest) phf: it's also pretty easy to isolate. its c++ library has a mode that lets you sling json back and forth about the state of your client. wrap that in ffa, attach it to pest, and you can isolate it on some remote machine
(pest) asciilifeform orig. intended to bolt it to trb in place of the laffable db there. gave up 100% -- makes separating conjoined twins look trivial in comparison
(pest) asciilifeform: (safe bet that 'texas au-backed coin' aint gonna be a mined/irreversible-tx/sendable-to-northkorea/etc affair, imho)
(pest) jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: also aded smal on/offable gc as a experiment cuz thoguht of a ultra simple way to do it
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-07-18 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(pest) signpost[asciilifeform] recently learned that the tiktok whores braying their exophilia are using "yt" as some kind of self-effacing slur.
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-23 14:15:08 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot]: time cat tapes/10k_shots_1024bit_ffa_slid_rnd.tape | ./ffacalc/bin/peh 1024 32 10660000 0
(pest) asciilifeform: phf: the benchmark in question was (see thrd) ffa, which strongly suspect fits in l1 on both irons. so prolly aint the memory bus. but hard to say for certain.
(pest) bitbot[cgra]: Logged on 2022-11-23 13:32:55 asciilifeform[5]: phf: moar re new crapples : on 'm2' fanless lappy, built ffa, and this benchmark ran in 1min 41s.
(pest) asciilifeform took approach closer to what phf described in ffa, but a) took aeons b) not even nao convinced that fully covered it
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-08-12 asciilifeform: for instance when asciilifeform was writing ffa, found existing bignum libs to be ~worse than useless~ as references.
(pest) asciilifeform when working on ffa, collected erry even vaguely-pertinent dead tree, warez scan, published lib, etc. he could find -- and found virtually all of it to be worse than useless
(pest) asciilifeform: from lizard pov, white who expects to e.g. live in own house, is seen similarly to how 19th c american settler saw indian who expected to freely horse around hunting buffalo. i.e. 'annoying, entitled pest'
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-05-28 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-28#1104038 << i've seen you make this point already, but also consider that work by its very nature is a loathsome affair, even when "take pride" and "born for it". the anarchist bob black has a quote that i like, that work starts when play becomes compulsory. never the less a lathe machinist slacks by shooting shit with coworkers, or drinking beer in the break room, not e.g. going to
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-05-28 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-28#1104038 << i've seen you make this point already, but also consider that work by its very nature is a loathsome affair, even when "take pride" and "born for it". the anarchist bob black has a quote that i like, that work starts when play becomes compulsory. never the less a lathe machinist slacks by shooting shit with coworkers, or drinking beer in the break room, not e.g. going to
(pest) unpx[asciilifeform]: I'm trying to understand what this is/was about, but looks like a lot have changed since then.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: re 'soft countermeasures against injected faults', asciilifeform had a few in ffa where trivially possible, but in general the concept is flawed for obv. reasons
(pest) asciilifeform: so phf 100% correct, no hard bounds avail. nor likely to be until thing is reimplemented 'ffa-style'
(pest) asciilifeform: phf: fwiw asciilifeform rather liked diana. (who was afaik the only 1 to e.g. actually read all of, at the time, ffa, and even wrote 'crib sheets' for others)
(pest) asciilifeform sadly not has the cycles atm to properly read. but seems intended as ffa-style 'from 1st principles' Right Thing
(pest) bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-23 13:32:55 asciilifeform[5]: phf: moar re new crapples : on 'm2' fanless lappy, built ffa, and this benchmark ran in 1min 41s.
(pest) asciilifeform: time cat tapes/10k_shots_1024bit_ffa_slid_rnd.tape | ./ffacalc/bin/peh 1024 32 10660000 0
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-06-24 asciilifeform: for 'magic instrs' yer stuck with 'intrinsics' (of which gnat gives next to nuffin) and then of course asmism
(pest) asciilifeform: phf: moar re new crapples : on 'm2' fanless lappy, built ffa, and this benchmark ran in 1min 41s.
(pest) phf[asciilifeform]: when dirt people go bad it's usually to put spinners on rims, where's there a lot more untroubled largesse in the whole sbf/ftx affair. everything that i read (and i'm not even explicitly seeking it out, various locklins are poping up with snarky opinion pieces in my feed) elicits a kind of "god, DAMN, wooden doors?" react
(pest) asciilifeform suspected ^ , will be testing with e.g. gnat, ffa, $commercialcircusware, rather than nyt tho
(pest) asciilifeform: per asciilifeform's reading, oughta (theoretically) build e.g. ffa.
(pest) asciilifeform meanwhile set up ffa-style build with the fltk ada thing's helloworld, aalmost worx but linker barfs at very end, 'cannot find -lfltk'
(pest) asciilifeform not has mac port of anyffin other than -- believe or not -- ffa, where built ~effortlessly and w/out coughing
(pest) asciilifeform conceived of whole affair as, 1st of all, investigation into 'wat to salvage'. there were obv. things to salvage (e.g. they had reliable iron gc; ui where 'click on $object and see src of it' etc)
(pest) asciilifeform: * ... which is rather different affair from 'konsoomer bangs fist on pnoje', conceptually
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-10-31#1014691 << from asciilifeform's pov, notion of pest is to revv up a proper internet, using the traditional one in same way as it used the old telecom wiring, and extend from there. which is rather different affair from
(pest) asciilifeform at one pt took a look at subj when in a fever dream of 'wainot deadtree ffa' but not got far
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-08-31 10:55:03 asciilifeform[4]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-31#1012014 << asciilifeform freely admits to having seriously eaten such sections as were relevant to things he was doing at the time; most recently ffaism
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-31#1012014 << asciilifeform freely admits to having seriously eaten such sections as were relevant to things he was doing at the time; most recently ffaism
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: wasn't obv 'ironic' but nfi (normally folx laff at a laffable when posting mixed in w/ actual noose, but again nfi)
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-08-23 gregorynyssa: I still look forward to finishing the rest of the FFA tutorials when mathematics returns to my life. have a nice day, everyone.
(asciilifeform) gregorynyssa: I still look forward to finishing the rest of the FFA tutorials when mathematics returns to my life. have a nice day, everyone.
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: ffa isnt large progy in my bok, wasnt talking about it specifically, and found no such paterns in it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-21#1111980 << rather curious which 'over and over patterns' appear concretely in ffa and annoy jonsykkel
(pest) deedbot[asciilifeform]: PeterL updated rating of asciilifeform from 1 to 3 << designed pest, ffa, other stuff. solid dude.
(pest) PeterL[asciilifeform]: !!rate asciilifeform 3 designed pest, ffa, other stuff. solid dude.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I personally believe more systems should aim to be extremely bare ``nothing beyond the standard'' affairs, because nothing else is truly the language.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform in old days, had a low-key parallel effort going , 'ffa in x64 asm', experimented with 'modern' instrs, but perma-shelved when realized the obv problem w/ such a thing
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for 'magic instrs' yer stuck with 'intrinsics' (of which gnat gives next to nuffin) and then of course asmism
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-20 16:56:21 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107706 << you're such an insuffarable cunt, i'm prepared to defend php just to not be in the same camp with you. shit basic on altair is a superior system to the idea system that only exists in verisimilitude's head. did you know that in my system there are no flaws? did you also know that i've solved all practical problems by never doing anything practical? fuck. you.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: asciilifeform's example is trivial in comparison (gimme the fucking top half of 32x32 -> 64 result, for fuck's sake) and still nuffin 'automatic' about it
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-20#1107706 << you're such an insuffarable cunt, i'm prepared to defend php just to not be in the same camp with you. shit basic on altair is a superior system to the idea system that only exists in verisimilitude's head. did you know that in my system there are no flaws? did you also know that i've solved all practical problems by never doing anything practical? fuck. you.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform often surprised at mail from entirely random folx, who somehow found themselves reading e.g. ffa
(asciilifeform) phf: i had this conversations with russians a lot where go "mit is no longer premier educational instutation, lost its way sometime in the early 2000s", have examples and explanations, but hard to argue against years of succesful marketing. point being that "mit" "released" while "mit" was a bunch of hackers doing whatever the fuck. aaronsw affair was not a watershed moment, but ought to have made point obv to everyone who wasn't paying
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: shinohai: those typically had laffably small fixed # of boxes (2 or 3)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform recalls epic sweat to render equations in 'ffa' in ordinary browser w/out resort to bitmaps
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: and yes as pike et al point out, and as demonstrated in e.g. ffa, if you serialize bytewise, endianism is irrelevant
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: so make a subtype. e.g. ffa doesn't use naked unsigned_xyz
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ftr ffa is 100% endianism-free, by design.
(asciilifeform) phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-28#1104038 << i've seen you make this point already, but also consider that work by its very nature is a loathsome affair, even when "take pride" and "born for it". the anarchist bob black has a quote that i like, that work starts when play becomes compulsory. never the less a lathe machinist slacks by shooting shit with coworkers, or drinking beer in the break room, not e.g. going to
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-05-09#1005299 << is used there for the ecdsaism. asciilifeform has notions of replacing w/ ffaistic routines.
(asciilifeform) thehorrors: It's a big topic, but I don't think bitcoin in its current form is that. Yea, FFA is partially why I started Ada
(asciilifeform) billymg: thehorrors: re: cryptography, you've probably seen asciilifeform's ffa then. if not, sounds like it might be of interest to you
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform has various arguably nonstandard formatting in certain proggies, but afaik no unusual indentation per se
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: but well-formed inputs 100% press correctly. trb, ffa, blatta, logotron, etc.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-12 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: or e.g. cgra. shows up w/ ffa bug. then w/ buncha serious trb works.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: imho that's large part of what made mp's scheme so laffable -- hey, we're lords!11 the slaves -- forthcoming any day nao!1
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096526 << over9000 funnily, the brahmins also 'tried to mathematics', in fact had almost all of the ffa algos! simply had nowhere to 'put it'.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: read through ffa and do exercises / fit in head
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: re: ffa; installed ada some 2hrs ago in prep to go through
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: phf: orthogonally to this, fwiw you'll get sub-millisec. modexp w/ ffa (again, in fact faster than mpi's, the latter hadn't barretron) if yer willing to live with small public exponents (e.g. fixated to 65535 a la gpg), simply that asciilifeform wasn't
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( in giffard's case, if recall -- the petrol engine. steam dun give the pwr/mass ratio req'd for a useful dirigible )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: phf: e.g. giffard's dirigible was also 'for specific problem', similarly.
(asciilifeform) phf: counterparty for ffa is a more complicated question, because it has painful history. i'm not particularly satisfied with "only a genius greater than mine can judge me". tool was supposed to solve specific problem, which was providing bedrock for networked tmsr tooling.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (in fact ffa's modexp is faster, in avg. case, than gmp's.)
(asciilifeform) phf: asciilifeform: where do you place ffa? specifically the part where it couldn't be used at the particular task it was set out to be applied to
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: must note tho that asciilifeform only finds 'my past self was an arse' when reads e.g. uncommented perlisms he had perpetrated, but not when e.g. ffa
(asciilifeform) signpost recalls Dune, where jihad is not just the struggle, but the state of affairs making it inevitable.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the assoc. w/ 'aristos' is from the fact of 'high pilotage' horseplay being a resource-intensive affair, and largely exclusive w/ growing up 'working for living'. 'social filter'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: phf: prolly oughta elaborate. (at risk of repeating ancient thrd) what asciilifeform liked in ro : austrohungarian architecture w/ just the right admixture of sovok nostalgia, 5 course dinner w/ venison for ~20$ walking distance from bed, and that didn't have to sit at terminal 12h/d, lol. 1st 2 not avail. in north amer. for obv. reasons; last item was a 'while air in the tanks' affair, similarly obv.
(asciilifeform) billymg: currently, yes, displays the sad state of affairs
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform aims , if lives longenuff, to make ffa sumthing like seppukuware; or at least to level of 'find bug, get n btc'
(asciilifeform) mangol: reich rag warned a week ago that "America and Europe Must Be Ready for Russian Biological or Chemical Attacks"
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: trying to plan for this is imho virtually pointless (tho in e.g. ffa in places in fact tried..)
(asciilifeform) phf: like, house affairs are managed through an internal instance
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 19:27:28 asciilifeform: funnily enuff landed most recent coupla gigs as result of folx reading his www. and most recently ffa series.
(asciilifeform) mats: I hear that ffa things are the new hotness
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform funnily enuff landed most recent coupla gigs as result of folx reading his www. and most recently ffa series.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: is funny , afaik ffa's const.time barrett is to this day the only 1 published. but no one to date wrote in 'hey, that was useful on my micro..' or the like
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform sorta had 'wind taken from sails' in re ffa when realized that there's ~no chance of usefully realtime packet munging w/ it on any x86 irons
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform to this day sitting on 3 finished (programwise) but unfinished in re text ffa ch's. notenuff cycles..
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ffaism for pubkey verification in a gpg substitute is kinda overkill imho, no particular reason for it to be const-cycle
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: likely would be easier to bake a reasonable mod exp in cl than to ffiize ffa
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'litmus' only uses ffa for the mod.exp so really is 2-3ln of cl
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (is a bash condom on top of ffa)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 17:03:20 asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform finds fascinating the psychological tension where folx who 'identify as intellectual' are terrified of 'being kicked outta intellectuals' (1st and foremost by 'policeman in own head') and consequently buy into laffable Official nonsense by the megatonne. ( dunno if mats diagnosably fits in this group, but shows worrisome symptoms imho, what w/ linx to papers w/ 'freedom index'(tm) with straight
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform finds fascinating the psychological tension where folx who 'identify as intellectual' are terrified of 'being kicked outta intellectuals' (1st and foremost by 'policeman in own head') and consequently buy into laffable Official nonsense by the megatonne. ( dunno if mats diagnosably fits in this group, but shows worrisome symptoms imho, what w/ linx to papers w/ 'freedom index'(tm) with straight
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( or willing to swallow anyffin at all, no matter how laffably contradictory to lived experience or ordinary logic ? )
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: But in ffa coad there are no pointers!
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: as for ada, asciilifeform uses a subset of the lang, compactly summarized in his ffa series, which imho fits in head rather well.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-16#1084658 << can't resist to ask, have you read asciilifeform's ffa series ? imho entirely usable 'intro to ada'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform afaik ffa is the only published reasonably large ada proggy w/ no unchecked_conversion anywhere
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: thimbronion: i rec against collecting costly academiturd deadtrees re subj, asciilifeform did so re ffa and filled entire bookcase and all of it was 100% distraction
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform intends to 'relicense' e.g. ffa under 'vpl' upon next vpatch to same.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I think I could make an exception for FFA, asciilifeform, because it's beautiful, from what I've read so far, but not a UDP binding.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(pest) asciilifeform hopes to live to finish not only ffa but e.g this
(pest) asciilifeform in fact has coad for several unpublished ch's worth of ffa written, debugged, etc. and collecting dust, sadly lacking time for aeons nao to touch it
(pest) signpost[asciilifeform]: defo intend to build ffa on this.
(pest) asciilifeform so far only has muslism in individual proggies, e.g. trb, ffa builds
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-09 13:33:02 asciilifeform: cgra: how complete per se, i.e. right nao? -- ch21c ( the coad , for extended-euclidean ) is done ; and also extensive revision of the peh interpreter (in particular, properly constant-time i/o of FZ)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) billymg: asciilifeform: haven't read it in detail yet but i've seen you've been making updates to it. you seemed to be on a roll with publishing new versions so i thought of waiting for it to settle down before updating the version on the mirror (since it's a manual affair)
(asciilifeform) deedbot: signpost rated cgra 2 << FFA and TRB work.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: decided tho that gotta have a 2nd lolcat to go under the ffa one, on asciilifeform's www...
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:38:39 asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:38:39 asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070703 << asciilifeform baked the ffa diagrams by hand, similarly (plain html!) but was quite arduous and rather limited in the possibilities (can't draw e.g. examples of pest topologies this way)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-19 14:24:35 snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: vex: that cat ? ancient ru net meme
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: hence trb, ffa, pest, etc. ( historically, asciilifeform would actually prefer to work on foundations of sane computing per se. but switched tacks on acct of above. esp. given that asciilifeform discovered to his satisfaction that actual sane computing is a fab-complete problem. )
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: still makes for over9000x moar 'diffability'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: there's a rk gnat (builds ffa!) but it may need some massage too
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform normally recommends to noobs ffa itself as a lang intro text.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: e.g. ffa is kelvin-versioned.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: very sharp fella, also tipped off asciilifeform re ffa at various times
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (fixes laffable bug carelessly introduced by asciilifeform himself when wrote original dump knob)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: aint necessarily an all-or-nuffin affair.
(asciilifeform) signpost probably wants streams for the xor-a-tron too, but makes sense to stay simple for ffa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: must note though that ffa doesn't cover the 'gnarly'/cppesque features of the language, deliberately avoids. (and they aint entirely useless, e.g. nqb makes use of some, chiefly streams)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: imho ffa is the closest thing existing atm to a clean ada intro course
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-04#1060717 << lessee if asciilifeform can make this clear. for final solution to the ddos problem, it is necessary for ~all~ possible parts to run ~always~ in worst-case time. a la ffa. this is the only way to rule out adversarial 'surprises'. and makes for 'fits-in-head' mechanical simplicity.
(asciilifeform) gregory5: I have had some difficulty following asciilifeform's FFA tutorials, owing to my general impairment in math, but he has a talent
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (i.e. the subset ffa is written in, uses maybe 10% of what's in the dead tree 'talmud' -- none of the oop garbage, for instance , is needed for anything, ever)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 23:04:21 asciilifeform: safety-critical program (which is what ffa is) must be obvious in its function like fucking hammer.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: currently mul_word defaults to iron mul, if you want egyptian gotta change manually.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 23:11:48 asciilifeform: ( activated/inactivated by HaveBarrelShifter knob in iron.ads )
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: ill do that, gonna test it on my inferior c ffatron as well
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: safety-critical program (which is what ffa is) must be obvious in its function like fucking hammer.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 21:25:01 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: it is naturally impossible to write 'cosmic ray proof' software. but imho is in fact possible to write (and inexpensively) cosmic ray ~resistant~ softs.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 21:20:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059018 << there is no such guarantee, jonsykkel ! 'Push' doesn't touch the contents of the stack. why didja think it did ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: jonsykkel: it is naturally impossible to write 'cosmic ray proof' software. but imho is in fact possible to write (and inexpensively) cosmic ray ~resistant~ softs.
(asciilifeform) deedbot: asciilifeform rated PeterL 2 << scoopbot; ffa reader
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !!rate PeterL 2 scoopbot; ffa reader
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !!rate 2 PeterL scoopbot; ffa reader
(asciilifeform) deedbot: asciilifeform rated jonsykkel 1 << FFA reader from Naggumistan
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !!rate jonsykkel 1 FFA reader from Naggumistan
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 156 for msg is kinda laffable imho
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-09 13:41:05 asciilifeform: asciilifeform has two uses for ffa -- general-purpose sign/verify suitable for use w/ generalized vtron ; and for the ecdsa numerics in ada trb replacement.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for thinking folx, the correct model is imho -- get the foundations right, then combine -- e.g. with pgp, basic vtron is possible; with ffa, generalized vtron, ab initio trb, etc possible
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for this & related reasons, asciilifeform intends to retire his gpg key (i.e. will promise not to emit new sigs w/ it) after completion of ffa/peh and signing his brand-new peh key w/ the old gpg pub.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( on account of branch prediction mechanics in modern irons, ffa in fact faster than koch's bignum, for the latter's 'worst-cases' )
(asciilifeform) cgra: asciilifeform: the last time i spent time following your ffa curriculum, i felt a need to go a full cycle before returning to ch1, for a review, and until then gaining a proper grasp. now figured must've been similar for a writer, too... fits-in-head after all
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: asciilifeform has two uses for ffa -- general-purpose sign/verify suitable for use w/ generalized vtron ; and for the ecdsa numerics in ada trb replacement.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: cgra: how complete per se, i.e. right nao? -- ch21c ( the coad , for extended-euclidean ) is done ; and also extensive revision of the peh interpreter (in particular, properly constant-time i/o of FZ)
(asciilifeform) cgra: asciilifeform: how complete was the FFA picture in your head, before published ch1?
(asciilifeform) deedbot: asciilifeform rated cgra 3 at 2020/11/27 11:35:21 << careful, attentive student of FFA & TRB. inquire in #asciilifeform.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: jonsykkel: the egyptian mul is of course not in current ffa, but the precondition is, i'ma fix it in the next ch. (when i get a chance... the coad's been written for more than a year, but not the text..)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform ftr holds that www search oughta be a 100% p2p affair. i.e. i see a page evidently authored by somebody with a brain; hit ctrl-meta-whateverthefuck; and it gets indexed. and if someone in my l2 (l3?..) has a query, my box is happy to serve up result of said query
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: maby another note for ded tree ffa: W_NZeroP in ch4 vas alredy covred in ch2
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: billymg: to date i've recced ffa readers to grab the 'ave1' gnat bins, optionally selfbuild, and use that
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) billymg: asciilifeform: these use("-static") lines?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-02-02 asciilifeform: trinque: see ffa as example
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: i'ma defo add moar explanation there when i make the deadtree ffa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (they are strictly for internal use in ffa)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-03-24 13:52:26 asciilifeform: dpb: the 1 i use for ffa since ch.11 inclusive was baked using ave1's recipe and builds self (on x64.)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 23:04:48 asciilifeform: signpost: i'd nod, but e.g. cgra in fact parachuted straight from mars with not 1 but 2 ffa bugs in pocket
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055741 << in re ffa specifically i admit had though, 'maybe someone writes in and asks for commercial relicense' but this was naive, nobody in heathen world showed any symptoms of wanting such item, to date.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( the arrows in ffa ch.14 are apparently missing in default xorg fonts nao )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: i'd nod, but e.g. cgra in fact parachuted straight from mars with not 1 but 2 ffa bugs in pocket
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) jon: i didnt crib it believe it or not, this document was carefully drafted in mspaint (winxp edition obviously) prior to my encounter with your ffa series
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'if you stel this idea u wil auto maticaly sign a legaly binding agrement to be KILED vith death and al acumulated profits (likely in the trilions) wil be transfered to me' -- curious didja come up with this yerself or cribbed from mp's thing ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-26 19:08:46 asciilifeform: in wholly-unrelated other noose : phf wrote in , in fact he updated his vpatch page! for ffa, logotron, and trb ! appear to be 100% current nao !
(asciilifeform) punkman: "Unfortunately, due to a misunderstanding with regards to the setting of court dates in an old matter, which I have continuously been trying to resolve since 2011, have been held in contempt of court and currently awaiting extradition. I am hoping to resolve this misunderstanding within a short while. In the meantime my business affairs will
(asciilifeform) mats: american counterintelligence was conspiciously absent throughout the whole affair
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in wholly-unrelated other noose : phf wrote in , in fact he updated his vpatch page! for ffa, logotron, and trb ! appear to be 100% current nao !
(asciilifeform) whaack: !e view-txn -paste f7fa1548901a6e3fde5264130a2ffa27820f08245dceca7e6ce362fbdcdbfd23
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: ~actual~ alternative affairs do not get airwave largesse from usg. they get banned, like isis-tentacle-not-pointed-ru-wards, and ddosed, like qntra.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: default is sumthing laffable, iirc 32mb
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: FFA wouldn't be safe either.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I figure asciilifeform won't care, since even if it used FFA, it would be worse than useless to butcher it like that.
(asciilifeform) thestringpuller: i agree, establishing initial connection in local scene is difficult. but so is learning ffa, or setting up trb, etc to some degree; i view it same way as comic trading/collecting scene which is very localized through networks of locally owned comic book stores
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 06:04:34 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << been rereading logs around the bitbet affair. fun.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-18 19:34:34 asciilifeform: observe how quickly e.g. bvt lost interest in e.g. ffa when mp took off his mask
(asciilifeform) shinohai: Your blog, at least, might provide me with some education whenever I can pick ffa back up.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Hey asciilifeform, expect a comment on FFA soon. Some fellow Ada programmer has some style question; I had to help him get past the spam trap.
(asciilifeform) billymg: asciilifeform: sad state of affairs
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-18 19:34:34 asciilifeform: observe how quickly e.g. bvt lost interest in e.g. ffa when mp took off his mask
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: observe how quickly e.g. bvt lost interest in e.g. ffa when mp took off his mask
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i won't even say it's entirely inedible. simply not suited for ffa.
(asciilifeform) gregorynyssa: this is not to say that I am fully or even broadly satisfied with "web" languages or with Tcl, as I have continued to harbor two main objections which happened to be the same two mentioned by asciilifeform in his introduction to FFA:
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-18 19:55:54 asciilifeform: trinque: since you mentioned script langs: considering, after ffa, to attempt a 'dethompsonizing' simple gc-less scheme in asm, in style of 'M' as a scripting lang. can't speak for erryone, but i've wanted a <32kB scripting lang that 'compiles with bare hands' for many yrs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: not attempted, of yet, 'whole node', this needs full ffa for the crypto side, aint there yet.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: trinque: unrelatedly, aiming to return to ffaism soonish. (and -- then to port to the suddenly appeared, after asciilifeform waited for decade+ -- 45,000 LUT open fpga board.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: shinohai: loox rather like equiv. of the sokal affair, imho
(alethepedia) asciilifeform: apprenticeship works, historically. but is rather different affair than 'hire mr.x to do $script'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: as for ffa -- last i knew, in fact does build w/ reasonably-recent ('16 and later) heathen gnats. (who finds otherwise -- plox to write in.)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: dpb: imho is a stretch to talk about 'the standard used now' (where?) -- i can speak only for self, ffa ch11--present is tested on the variant of gnat linked above. this was why i asked 'what are you building' -- if it's something other than ffa, may require an older/newer/nonstatic/etc gnat
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: dpb: the 1 i use for ffa since ch.11 inclusive was baked using ave1's recipe and builds self (on x64.)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-04#1032788 << last i saw, ffa rendered 100% correctly under turdroid. feel free to crib the html liquishits
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-03-04 15:46:34 shinohai: ^ I noticed above behaviour on my toilet lappy running 5.12 kernel asciilifeform ... but hadn't got that far to notice a problem via ffa yet.
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