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vex: banning hate is like banning love
vex: unpossible
vex: i listened to anb australian girl talk about mp after he dies
vex: she got excited about the sec
punkman: I have firefighter friend (not in .gr). They are doing special training for electric car fires. They got some special equipment/materials too, water on lithium fire is not good idea. Also had story of industrial chemical fire that took like 20 hours and hundreds of people to extinguish.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-01#1049719 << sunning your balls does feel good. too many disagreeable neighbors around house though
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-01 21:16:25 vex: I'd recommend it to punkman too, get some vitamin d sans underwear
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-01#1049710 << running own mailserver is such a hassle, I've given up too
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-01 17:05:05 signpost: personally, I render onto caesar what is caesar's and use a megacorp provider.
punkman: was expecting covid-test results via email, had to call lab 5 times about not getting email, results were in zip file with password and gmail blocked it until I sent email to lab, and they replied with same zip.
PeterL: !s version
scoopbot: I am 'Scoopbot' version 693657.
PeterL: thimbronion: on http://thimbron.com/2021/08/encryption-for-alcuin/ I am seeing some smileys on lines 495 and 496?
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049770 << I'm guessing mp-wp still contains the `convert_smilies` function.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 08:37:52 PeterL: thimbronion: on http://thimbron.com/2021/08/encryption-for-alcuin/ I am seeing some smileys on lines 495 and 496?
thimbronion: A couple instances of 8) appear to be the culprates.
PeterL: I turned the smiles off, but I have not touched it in so long I don't remember how I did that
PeterL: ^ smilies, referring to my own website, which is admittedly not the most cutting edge version of MP-WP
thimbronion: *culprits doh
PeterL: thimbronion: is there any significance to the name 'alcuin'?
thimbronion: PeterL: I link to a biography of Alcuin in this article. Alcuin was one of many clerics who served to keep the flame of classical literature alive after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
thimbronion: Also the literal meaning of Alcuin is something like "Safehaven"
PeterL: aha, I had missed that the name was a link when I read your article. The guy was the first thing that came up when I did a websearch on the term, just wanted to make sure I was making the right connection there
PeterL: I also notice that you have labeled your files as .vpatch, but they are not really v patches since they do not contain the file hashes?
thimbronion: PeterL: yeah I haven't got that figured out yet. I can't get vdiff to exclude the .git directory.
thimbronion: I will likely hold off signing anything until the spec is out and alcuin is fully compliant with the spec anyway.
PeterL: thimbronion: I tried using the patches you posted, did not patch cleanly, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TZVG with the rejected hunks http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=g4i8
thimbronion: PeterL: I'll check it out.
shinohai: https://archive.is/zeDvz << "fluffypony" nabbed in US
asciilifeform: shinohai: i hope he roasts in electric chair, lol
thimbronion: fluffypony reportedly arrested. WTF was he thinking visiting the US?
thimbronion: oh shit lol just saw your line shinohai
asciilifeform: thimbronion: lulzily not a 'arrested at usg request in spain'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: 'dog bites man'
asciilifeform: 'at the request of the South African government'
thimbronion: Is he the first alumnus of #bitcoin-assets to be arrested?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: possibly not
asciilifeform doesn't recall whether spammer voorhees was arrested or merely tried in absentia
shinohai: Voorhees ran to Panama like a little bitch until he could cut deal with SEC
thimbronion: So two dead, at least one arrested.
thimbronion: I guess a decade+ is enough time for that kind of stuff to happen.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: at least 3 dead
asciilifeform: ( chetty, object of mp's gerontophiliac lust )
thimbronion: yes, chetty.
asciilifeform: then pankkake commited pankkake supposedly
asciilifeform: then mp
asciilifeform: + fuck knows who else
shinohai: pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp;;;;;;;;;;;;;
shinohai: sorry ^
mats: is archive.is choking for anyone else?
mats: nvm. didn't know you could even spend $800k on a watch
shinohai: Isn't that what Pete Dushenski does with all his mETHereum gainz?
mats: idk, his blog is unreadable
thimbronion: Monero only down 4%.
asciilifeform: if d00d were a ru oligarch, there'd be a tabloid photo of his golden toilet attached to the piece.
asciilifeform: ( somehow erry single one ever arrested had / allegedly-had one )
mats: i'd have thought fluffypony would be more useful as a confidential informant
mats: take his shit and turn him out on the street like a common whore
asciilifeform: re: that 800k watch -- just in case anyone anyone needed proof that the shitcoin in question is a scam...
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-05-30 asciilifeform: at any rate, in so far as i can tell 'monero' is simply 1 of 3 or 4 tor-style honeypots for the dimwitted 'death ray plot' candidates in the shitcoin space.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-08-30 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-28 13:08:51 asciilifeform: and in general all 'oddball algo by anon' are guilty until proven innocent of being elaborate smoke&mirror schemes for inflatola, premine, or even straight magic-key theft
punkman: flying in private, "He’s believed to have “significant crypto-assets” as well as a watch valued at $800,000." , long way from the home improvement loan
asciilifeform: 'There were boxes full of gold-laced bills called goldbacks that were too obscure to even put a value on' << lol!!
asciilifeform: 'he’s particularly alarmed by the charge of operating a “continuing financial crimes enterprise,” which was levied against him specifically. It seems to have been triggered by the Shire Free Church allegedly bringing in more than $5 million in gross receipts over two years, which puts it in a different class of criminal organization'
asciilifeform: i.e. Being Rich Without USG License
asciilifeform: capital offense. tsk.
mats: "She tells me she made about 80 percent of her purchases directly off the blockchain before the arrest, usually businesses in the Keene area that have set up Bitcoin payments through a local point-of-sale system called AnyPay. DiMezzo says she could eat at a different restaurant every night and always pay in crypto."
mats: filling miner pockets with fees on dinner-sized transactions
mats: what a baller
punkman: what was his otc nickname?
mats: i don't remember the keene folks being in the wot but dpb might know more
punkman: "In public statements, prosecutors refer to these as “darknet” cases, treating the unregulated Bitcoin system as a loosely organized criminal conspiracy. There is a lot of tainted money on the blockchain: money from drug sales, online scams, or stolen from individual users as part of a breach."
punkman: more price goes up, more of this ^
punkman: "Any unregulated exchange will eventually be used for money-laundering; any unmonitored flow of coins will eventually be an accomplice to a crime."
asciilifeform: punkman: the moar morons attracted to it, esp. the kind usg traditionally preys on, the moar of these, yes, there'll be
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-19 01:29:34 asciilifeform: signpost: virtually 100% of asciilifeform's pov on the subj, to this very day is represented by his orig. piece. bitcoinism went 'wrong' when switched from being an experiment in decentralization, with eye to actual progress in that direction, to 'how to milk the morons' and inspiration for 9000+ intelligence-insulting pyramids
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-13 16:29:52 asciilifeform: shinohai: typically it's organized along the lines of the nyc 'death ray plot' -- find a 'believer' halfwit who 'participates willingly' to circumvent what's left of entrapment laws; collect donations; then designated arrestee, pompous trial, life sentence, etc. while usg collects not only contents of donation box but a fresh +100m$ in congressional 'anti-terror fund'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 14:36:06 asciilifeform: shinohai: i hope he roasts in electric chair, lol
punkman: at least he moved on to shitcoin, instead of trying to stick shit on bitcoin
asciilifeform: punkman: what do you mean, 'why'. 1 of the most egregious and successful scammers to date.
asciilifeform: punkman: all shitcoin perpetrators ultimately parasitize on bitcoin.
punkman: which scam was this? might have missed it
thestringpuller: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049810 << just checked his blog and can't believe he went full meth head. Has a cryptopunks avatar and everything. You either die a hero or live long enough to run the chumpatron.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 15:03:34 shinohai: Isn't that what Pete Dushenski does with all his mETHereum gainz?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: dushenski ? he was what he is now, from very beginning.
asciilifeform: 'biological' bootlick, attracted to what at given moment seems to him 'strong horse'.
mats: didn't he get his start doing car blogs / youtube or something?
thestringpuller: i guess that was always the case - i figured he had _some_ principles
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: never saw any symptoms of him having principles.
asciilifeform: he could barely speak with mouth full as it was of mp's cock.
thestringpuller: i guess I should have realized this when MP got banned off twitter he subsequenlty wrote a long article about why twitter was bad, and then deleted his account
thestringpuller: only to resurface as a cyrptopunk years later
thestringpuller: i always figured it'd be MP getting arrested in some criminal enterprise scheme, but I guess fluffypony wanted to go full african warlord; i wonder if he has a gold plated AK stashed somewhere
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the funny thing is that mp was in fact rather cowardly and lived surprisingly modestly. at least, near as one could tell from his www.
asciilifeform: if he owned a golden toilet or '800k watch' -- kept it a seekrit from erryone.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: when talking to meatspace associate who is retired detective about MP - he always found it odd the guy jumped between places without firm extradition policies
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: usg kidnaps folx from cr, ro, the various shitholes he 'grand toured', w/out breaking a sweat.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-06-23 13:34:07 asciilifeform: in ru there is traditional joke where 'have you heard of famous cowboy, Uncatchable Joe? no one's caught him yet...' 'because no one ever wanted to'
mats: i'd like a look at the polish passport he was identified with
thestringpuller: what use is jail anyways, when they just run the criminal enterprise from behind bars
mats: was it his, or one of the 10,000 other romanians named mp
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yer thinking of 'lucky luciano' etc. i.e. what mp pretended to be. rather than what he necessarily was.
mats: the biometric regime rolled out in 09 so presumably it was legit
thestringpuller: i thought you can still spoof the biometric passports?
asciilifeform: thimbronion, whaack , billymg -- do they bother w/ fingerprints etc in cr border ?
mats: spoof how? lifelike glove with expected prints?
asciilifeform: mats: easiest spoof is to not have to get fingered at all because pseudo-diplomatic papers (as he hinted at, nfi whether factual or fable)
thestringpuller: mats: iirc when I was in high school some japanese professor was able to fool the initial system with prosthetic fingers he made
thestringpuller: this was like circa 2005 tho
mats: trying that during border crossings doesn't seem like a reliable technique
thestringpuller: and I remember an article about cloning the NFC chip in the passport
mats: takes one recently caffeinated agent and a slow shift to notice a latex wrinkle
thestringpuller: dunno if there is more information on this as I couldn't find any, but apparently there is a bill in comittee right now that will lock down all cryptocurrency in the US?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 15:32:04 mats: didn't he get his start doing car blogs / youtube or something?
mats: the cryptocurrency stuff is vague lard, hard to tell what it means until there's enforcement
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049856 << i was also always curious why MP was never nabbed or hit with missile from a drone. this was one of my theories as well, along the lines of "just don't draw too much attention"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 15:35:57 thestringpuller: i always figured it'd be MP getting arrested in some criminal enterprise scheme, but I guess fluffypony wanted to go full african warlord; i wonder if he has a gold plated AK stashed somewhere
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 15:37:50 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the funny thing is that mp was in fact rather cowardly and lived surprisingly modestly. at least, near as one could tell from his www.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-06-08 13:22:18 billymg: asciilifeform: i think there might be a common element between hassids (and amish, etc.) carrying on unmolested, and e.g. alf not being gassed -- members of the herd are not dropping out of school/office life to go join
billymg: but then again, would not call year long tour of europe, all displayed on public www, keeping a low profile
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049869 << i've never had to do this when coming through customs, but last time i did so was march 2020
bitbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 19:49:33 asciilifeform: thimbronion, whaack , billymg -- do they bother w/ fingerprints etc in cr border ?
mats: with some men you never quite know whether (or what %) they're full of shit until dead, and sometimes not even then
billymg has to run some errands, bbl
mats: iirc mp said his oc enterprise got rolled up shortly before nato .ro inclusion, so presumably he stopped talking to most of his pals
whaack: asciilifeform: fingerprints are not required to enter
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049887 << i would. 'high' profile is when you actually (rather than w/ bullshit verbiage) upset lizards' apple carts.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 16:14:54 billymg: but then again, would not call year long tour of europe, all displayed on public www, keeping a low profile
asciilifeform: not sleeping in overpriced hotels in belarus, no.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049890 << no shortage of hot air, could sit for yr+ and not catalogue all the empty 'we are legion!111'(tm) threats/promises
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 16:17:11 mats: with some men you never quite know whether (or what %) they're full of shit until dead, and sometimes not even then
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-02-24 mircea_popescu: what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over.
thimbronion: Was personally looking forward to MP "pissing in the ashes of DC" oh wells.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: fingerprints not required for tourists. Only residents.
asciilifeform: so then, answers the 'but how cheated the fingerprints' q from earlier.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049878 << lock down all goxes? pray to satan that it happens!
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 15:56:50 thestringpuller: dunno if there is more information on this as I couldn't find any, but apparently there is a bill in comittee right now that will lock down all cryptocurrency in the US?
asciilifeform: FUCK any and all goxes.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-29 14:23:02 asciilifeform: the 'honest gox' is the same kinda laugh as 'honest seekrit email service', 'honest vpn', etc fried-ices
asciilifeform: and the horse they rode in on.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-02-24 mircea_popescu: what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: if 'trump show' weren't a zhirinovsky-style muppet theatre for morons
asciilifeform: which it was from day 0.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform warned you lot. 'over9000' times.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: easy to say now. Opposition took it seriously enough.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-02-23 asciilifeform: the 'respectable conservatives' are a zhirinovskian 'heat sink' and have been for decades.
mats: the jan6 lulz turned out predictably
mats: trump is not the master logistician required to succeed in a detail oriented endeavor like that
mats: top show tho
asciilifeform: mats: trump is simply an actor.
asciilifeform: played role, went off state, maybe will play in next movie.
mats: he got awful close, if pence had gone in, who knows the outcome
mats: i wouldn't have bet on that horse but i can see why some did
thimbronion: If Trump was not considered a threat by the opposition, he would not be banned across all social media. You may reply that the opposition are morons that believed the act, and I would agree with you.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: 'if the t-rex in jurassic part weren't real, they wouldn't have shot at him' ?
mats: american counterintelligence was conspiciously absent throughout the whole affair
asciilifeform: next thimbronion will suggest that e.g. osama bin laden actually existed as described, because 'or they would not have prattled about him on tv for 20y' ?
asciilifeform: mats: and you know how ?
mats: i don't.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I suspect there is no evidence you would accept that would prove Trump was not completely controlled opposition with a script in his back pocket the whole time, lacking any kind of free agency.
mats: iirc fbi copped to having confidential informants in the mob, and i find it hard to believe they didn't have a complete picture, considering the whole thing was organised in public
mats: wray claimed during the hearings that fbi can't monitor social media
mats: but... info must've been flowing upwards from fusion centres, fbi field offices, metro cops
asciilifeform: mats: by evidence of 'my lying eyes', usa is a 1party state, more solid than e.g. north kr, and there is nuffin even remotely resembling an 'opposition' with actual power over anything whatsoever. 100% of political elite solidly aligned on such questions as e.g. a 50+% tax rate for asciilifeform & other uppity plebes, $trillion dod grants to favourite sons, $trillion moneypipe to harvard&co,
asciilifeform: bans on freedon of association from '60s onward, money-printing, 'over9000' basic things.
asciilifeform: mats: fbi has coherent picture of 'don't even touch x, y, and z or director Can Also Have Problems and so can his children and recall epstein?' etc
thimbronion: In any case I don't wanna fight about it. I don't like Trump anymore. On the other hand I won't go so far as to say all events in world history are carefully orchestrated.
asciilifeform: outcome of 'american politics' 'competitions' has, as visible to naked eye, approx. as much connection with lived reality as outcome of football tournaments.
mats: its a mistake to believe they are a cohesive unit
asciilifeform: thimbronion: events not necessarily well orchestrated. media liquishit -- 100% orchestrated. since hearst.
asciilifeform: mats: to what wouldja point as evidence of a lack of cohesion ?
mats: like it was a mistake for folks to believe nsa was invincible after stuxnet, gru after dnc and rnc hacks, etc
mats: by the mere fact that trump's plot got as far as it did, rather than being killed in the cradle
thimbronion: Brexit/Trump/Bolsonaro not completely orchestrated. These events have had consequences - undesirable ones for the lizards, and I believe are at least partially why we're all forced to wear masks at the current moment.
mats: this work hurts american sovereignty, any way you cut it, there's no win for 'lizards'
mats: elites might cooperate on robbing the plebs, but they are fighting each other all the time, i can't see how not
thimbronion: asciilifeform: There are other examples of populist leaders that choked after coming to power. Was Cola di Rienzo a lizard plot?
thimbronion: Humans are fallible. Even mp and the lizards.
whaack lol'd at seeing p_diddy huffin'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049945 << asciilifeform suspects that mats and asciilifeform see exactly same inputs there; but interpret very differently ( mats , possibly, as 'trump struggled valiantly against overwhelming forces', asciilifeform -- 'muppet show for morons')
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 17:43:43 mats: by the mere fact that trump's plot got as far as it did, rather than being killed in the cradle
asciilifeform: i dun see 'trump plot' other than as umpteenth 'reichstag fire'.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049946 << never alleged 'orchestrated' in the sense that errybody involved gets a script. most partipants earnestly convinced that they're part of 'a struggle'. and artfully fail to notice at any point that all they ever get to fire is blanks.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 17:44:15 thimbronion: Brexit/Trump/Bolsonaro not completely orchestrated. These events have had consequences - undesirable ones for the lizards, and I believe are at least partially why we're all forced to wear masks at the current moment.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049947 << what event wouldja suggest to interpret as 'loss for the lizards' ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 17:44:16 mats: this work hurts american sovereignty, any way you cut it, there's no win for 'lizards'
mats: would you change your opinion if bolder brownshirts than trump reoccupy the office, congress, and scotus?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049949 << what does a 14th c fella have to do with the printolade-elite of postww2?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 17:49:30 thimbronion: asciilifeform: There are other examples of populist leaders that choked after coming to power. Was Cola di Rienzo a lizard plot?
mats: a successful coup would be a loss
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 18:52:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049949 << what does a 14th c fella have to do with the printolade-elite of postww2?
asciilifeform: mats: if harvard burned, graduates -- zykloned, beneficiaries of printism -- slaughtered en masse like huguenots in bartholomew's day
asciilifeform: then -- 'coup', yes.
mats: peaceful transitions of potus are fundament to the idea of enduring democracies
asciilifeform: lolocracy
asciilifeform: and potus is approx as much a 'power player' office as whoever gets to play luke in starwards-xxxx.
asciilifeform: *starwars
mats: this goes away, its legitimacy is tarnished, and fellows in hungary, slovenia, poland, etc, advance
asciilifeform: mats: i srsly cant fucking believe that you seem to think the potus-buttons are still connected to anyffin.
asciilifeform: recall that brochure where listed the ministries trump promised to close ?
asciilifeform: i still have one somewhere
mats: the slow march to managed democracies does matter
asciilifeform: mats: was already managed in fdr's time.
mats: potus may not be the supreme executive as in the bad old days, but its not a powerless role by any means
mats: the head that wears the crown can still call on the mob, as we saw
asciilifeform: demoocracy, mats, is a rattle.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-22 17:21:47 asciilifeform: the elite eagerly hand out faux-power to the plebes, like parents give rattles to children, to entertain and divert from 'breaking things'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-22 17:22:03 asciilifeform: most famous rattle is of course the ballot.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-22 17:25:44 asciilifeform: spoiler : it does not matter how much you shake the rattle. or how big is your particular rattle. or even if you can get 1e9 fellow rattlers to shake theirs with you.
asciilifeform: mats: point me to a permanent mark that trump made on anyffin at all with 'his power' on throne
mats: and, the army national guard, capitol police, flag ossifers were remarkably compliant throughout the coup
asciilifeform: mats: officers want same thing eltsin's officers wanted -- for the pension cheque to come on time and not bounce.
asciilifeform: fwiw this is why eltsin's (even more brazenly extralegal) coup of '93 had 100% support of army
asciilifeform: the side which promises 'less interesting times' wins the officers.
mats: the largest mark i can think of is republican ownership of scotus
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 18:53:13 asciilifeform: mats: if harvard burned, graduates -- zykloned, beneficiaries of printism -- slaughtered en masse like huguenots in bartholomew's day
mats: and empowerment of israel's intl standing
asciilifeform: mats: the same scotus which laffed trump outta the room when he tried to bring a case ?
mats: well, old guard republicans i suppose
mats: he hasn't been able to leash them in the same way as the rnc
asciilifeform: rright. he could 'appoint judges' so long as all entirely interchangeable and ineffectual from a taking-actual-power pov
asciilifeform: precisely like all of the other 'potus powers' he supposedly had.
mats: its remarkable the rnc still fetches on command even though he's an obvious loser
mats: normally, its a situation of 'what have you done for us lately'
asciilifeform: gotta make sure all of the losers remember what they are.
asciilifeform: iirc latest lol is that clitler II ordered that unmasked/unvaccinated politicans are to be thrown outta the building.
asciilifeform: will be lulzy to see what 'opposition' does w/ that.
mats: i do look forward to seeing what an uninterrupted eight years of roosevel- i mean, biden, looks like
asciilifeform: already seeing, neh
asciilifeform: 'biz-as-usual'
asciilifeform: printer - brrr, pentagon -- $t+ and asks-for-moar, etc
asciilifeform: tax -- 'to the moon' (and rent ~is~ tax)
asciilifeform: y'know, just like previous half century of usg.
mats: long history of the american press covering for broke dicks, from woodrow wilson to fdr
asciilifeform: what means to say 'broke' when yer the one who makes 'printer go brr'.
mats: the mind wanders as to who really holds the reins -- ron klain? harris?
asciilifeform: mats: even supposing i knew the name, and hadn't consequently been drowned, what good would it do.
mats: well i mean heavily impaired or outright disabled
asciilifeform: mats: we've come a long way from e.g. byzantium when one could disqualify an emperor by blinding him
asciilifeform: physical cripple can reign so long as part of correct wot.
thimbronion: mental cripple even
asciilifeform: thimbronion: indeed. for some value of 'reign'
asciilifeform: so long as can read the script w/out too many serious oopses -- yes
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-24 asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"—applause. "O!"—an ovation. "O!!!"—the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
mats: dunno that mask related arrests of congressppl can even constitutionally work if executed properly, ie, on the way to session
asciilifeform: mats: ikr?
mats: but i'm no attorney
asciilifeform: high time to wake up to usg constitution being same grade of toiletpaper as the 1 under eltsin.
mats: usa still has a long ways to decline from here
asciilifeform: ok, fluffypony's extradition judgement (txt) is pure gold. rec'd read for erryone tuned in.
asciilifeform: will paste highlights. e.g. accused of stealing a princely sum of... $99,185.
asciilifeform: 'As detailed above, the purpose of an extradition hearing is to decide the sufficiency of the charges for which extradition is requested under the applicable extradition treaty; it is not to determine the guilt or innocence of the fugitive—that determination is reserved for the foreign court. ... (“A United States court dealing with an extradition request for an accused is obliged to
asciilifeform: resist any temptation to judge the guilt or innocence of the accused.”) ... An extradition hearing is not a criminal proceeding. ... Rather, it is “an administrative proceeding arising under international law for certification and approval of the State Department’s decision to extradite this person at the request of a foreign government,” ...
asciilifeform: 'Accordingly, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure do not apply to extradition proceedings. ... (“Proceedings not governed by these rules include . . . the extradition and rendition of a fugitive.”). Moreover, many constitutional protections applicable in criminal cases do not apply to extradition proceedings; for example, the exclusionary rule is not applicable... and a fugitive does
asciilifeform: not have the right to confront his accusers...'
asciilifeform: 'Nor do the Federal Rules of Evidence apply to extradition proceedings.... Hearsay evidence is admissible at an extradition hearing, and “[a]certification of extradition may be and usually is based entirely on the authenticated documentary evidence and information provided by the requesting government.”... unsworn statements may be sufficient to justify extradition)... Nothing more is
asciilifeform: required, and typically nothing more is provided.... “It is exceedingly rare for the Government to submit anything other than documents in support of an extradition request.”)
mats: this is so dumb its hard to believe
asciilifeform: 'Extradition treaties do not require, or even anticipate, the testimony of live witnesses at the hearing. Indeed, requiring the “demanding government to send its citizens to another country to institute legal proceedings, would defeat the whole object of the treaty.” Relatedly, a fugitive has no right to discovery... and his right to challenge the evidence against him at an extradition
asciilifeform: hearing is severely constrained...'
mats: he directed a payment into an account in his own name instead of a shill?
mats: and thought no forensic accountant would ever discover the scheme?
asciilifeform: 'A fugitive may not introduce evidence that contradicts the evidence submitted on behalf of the requesting country, but rather may only introduce evidence explaining the submitted evidence.... Courts routinely reject technical and affirmative defenses in extradition proceedings.... extradition court “properly may exclude evidence of alibi, or facts contradicting the government’s proof...'
asciilifeform: i could go on, but why. read whole thing.
mats: looks like a frame up job
asciilifeform: fascinating document.
mats: literally can't believe a guy with that much money from his latest con would offer himself up to american law enforcement
asciilifeform: reads almost as if judge were a reluctant servant of the reich, and wanted to highlight the sheer insanity (essentially, secretary of state has letre de cache power over anyone on us soil -- simply needs to connive with some banana republic with whom extraditory treaty exists, to accuse the victim of sumthing or other
asciilifeform: mats: observe, they aint trying him in usa.
asciilifeform: will be 'tried' slowly over a simmering coal fire in africa. until coughts up the keyz.
mats: why would he flee from s africa, which has a MLAT agreement with usa, and head for usa
mats: not like the proceedings were hidden from him
asciilifeform: mats: doubtful that he was aware that he was 'fleeing'.
mats: "He pleaded not guilty to the charges, and the trial against him was commenced. Evidence was presented against him, but SPAGNI failed to appear in court."
asciilifeform: mats: read the txt, apparently simply leaving and failing to immediately return to $shithole when they had whatever (supposedly) proceedings against you, is 'flight'.
mats: ??? did he think the americans would shield him?
asciilifeform: cites case law.
mats: and they, what, reneged?
asciilifeform: i'ma spell out for the thick. usg dept. of btc collection connived with sa to 'file charges' against this discount-mp.
asciilifeform: then waited until he flew his jet (yes) to whatever the fuck he was doing in tennessee (cheap whores? shitcoin conference?) and packed him for shipment to johannesburg
asciilifeform: where they'll angle grinder his teeth etc.
mats: hmm
asciilifeform: aaalternatively mats you could believe that a fella w/ own jet and 800k watch and $maxint shitcoin etc stole 99k $ by kiting cheques.
mats: well the wire fraud predates bitcoin
mats: allegedly
asciilifeform: and can't backdate because why.
asciilifeform: naturally it'll 'pre-date bitcoin' lol
asciilifeform: the case is so crudely cooked up, possibly even down's syndrome american jury would reject. which is why it aint about to be heard by such a jury.
asciilifeform: it'll be heard by general mugabe or whatever they have these days.
mats: backdate is an appealing theory, but there isn't even circumstantial evidence
asciilifeform: mats: on whom in your mind burden of proof ?
punkman: $100k eh, was expecting even lower
mats: i'm just saying there's not enough pieces here
asciilifeform: mats: my story above has at least 100% of the credibility of usg's nonsense.
asciilifeform: and, unlike said nonsense, motive, and plausibility.
asciilifeform: hey mats you ever been to, say, thailand ?
mats: nop
asciilifeform: let's say no. but from my reading of the linked txt, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop us sec. of state from extraditing mats to thailand. today.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1050063 << ahahaha this was exactly my thoughts - why would "suddenly" be charged for change in his couch cushions?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-02 22:24:14 asciilifeform: aaalternatively mats you could believe that a fella w/ own jet and 800k watch and $maxint shitcoin etc stole 99k $ by kiting cheques.
asciilifeform: all he needs is to get somebody there to send a telegram asking for mats, he's wanted for stealing $trillion.
asciilifeform: court will rubber-stamp.
asciilifeform: 'extradition court “properly may exclude evidence of alibi, or facts contradicting the government’s proof...''
asciilifeform: 'i aint ever been to thailand' is no defense!!
asciilifeform: for that matter, folx large and small, from noriega to common chimp, get extradited to usa, where they've never set foot even once, and sentenced to 500 years. so superficially even seems 'fair', to casual plebe reader, that the reverse sometimes happens.
mats: ill suspend evaluation until he dies in custody or the trial concludes
asciilifeform: ''(“In the context of determining whether a defendant poses a substantial risk of flight, this Court does not find any meaningful distinction between a person who left the country when he learned of pending charges and one who already outside the country refuses to return to face these charges. The intent is the same—the avoidance of prosecution.”)... finding fugitive to be a flight
asciilifeform: risk because, among other things, he could have “return[ed] to Mexico and voluntarily surrender[ed], [but] he has not done so”).''
asciilifeform: ^ gold.
asciilifeform: mats: i find it difficult to imagine the d00d getting out of that one alive. but fuck knows.
asciilifeform: not does asciilifeform have a single lick of sympathy for that fuckwad. simply finds interesting that tonight mats , asciilifeform , et al can be extradited to saudi arabia, and 100% legally, impeccably legally.
asciilifeform: pretty sure i broke saudi laws quite egregiously many times. as has mats etc.
asciilifeform: so what if never been within 10000km of the shithole..
punkman: "Unfortunately, due to a misunderstanding with regards to the setting of court dates in an old matter, which I have continuously been trying to resolve since 2011, have been held in contempt of court and currently awaiting extradition. I am hoping to resolve this misunderstanding within a short while. In the meantime my business affairs will
punkman: continue under the leadership of my partners."
asciilifeform: lol same partners who, likely, helped to set up.
punkman: SA economy crumbling, people over there thought they might make some BTC, found old bezzle to use
asciilifeform: betcha they know how to extract btc from intransigent white devil in sa.
mats: not so easy if its not a brain wallet
asciilifeform wonders if usg official in charge was smart enuff to demand % of his cut in advance
asciilifeform: mats: all wallets are, in some sense, brainwallets.
mats: now gotta convince the spouse to hand over ransom
mats: hope he was still eating the pussy even after becoming an oligarch
punkman: physiognomy tells me they will probably find more bezzlew
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere fluffypony
dulapbot: fluffypony last seen in #trilema on 2016-03-24 11:22:30: otherwise you learn nothing and you're forever forced to wallow in your own ignorance
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E70PdAwXEAgSfjh?format=jpg&name=small << apparently might have "embezzled" some "monero fund" too
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-03-05 punkman: does monero solve the miner-can-block-my-tx with its ring signatures? (ping fluffypony)
punkman: look at IRS being all helpful with "bug bounty"
asciilifeform: but how much after tax!1111?
asciilifeform: 'The deadline for submissions is Wednesday, September 16, 2020, at 08:00 EDT. '
asciilifeform: or lol already in orig link.
asciilifeform: toolate punkman , to claim yer 625000 - (50-100% tax) , lol.
asciilifeform: reminds asciilifeform , who, unlike the expected reader of this, has more memory than aquarium fish -- of the bounties for 'break tor', 'break silk road', at the time when both already thoroughly broken and owned by usg
asciilifeform: 'IRS-CI has noted an uptick in criminal syndicates using privacy coins. ' rright, rright, errything to discourage use of actual bitcoin by the gullible/roomtemp iq typical usa 'dissidents'.
mats: looks like 401k and some change after tax, lol
asciilifeform: mats: oops sorry you forgot form xyz. it'll be anuther 400k from you before tuesday plz.
asciilifeform: then the remaining $k taken by police in 'in rem' judgement, 'usa vs $1k in rusty pennies in mats's car'
mats: remember me
punkman: "He pre-announced a 'big announcement' a bit ago, and made a big deal about it. This caused the price to nearly double. It turned out today that the announcement was basically "lol you shouldn't have listened to me, there's no announcement, fuck you speculators". This caused the price to crash."
punkman: lol
asciilifeform: musk extrdited to sa when.
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