gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113286 << explained in the linked document. crying, whining, cowering -> beating.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 21:56:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113269 << for what precisely did father beat? (rly, for liking maffs?)
gregorynyssa: not being good at sports, or not wanting to play sports or do hiking/camping -> mocking and insulting until I cry, followed by beating.
gregorynyssa: they constantly used rough language with me like a basketball-coach. if I break down and cry at any point -> beating.
gregorynyssa: they also took personal offense at "eccentric" behavior: not understanding so-called "facial expressions," failing to detect sarcasm.
gregorynyssa: responding to rhetorical questions as if they were normal questions.
gregorynyssa: staring at them impassively when they were lecturing me was forbidden. they would find it difficult to continue speaking, and end the lecture.
gregorynyssa: must give "nonverbal feedback" like a normal person, whatever that means
gregorynyssa: "pouting" was also considered offensive and forbidden, whatever that means
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113283 << exactly. since you are also child of immigrants, you understand the feeling.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 21:55:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113266 << they, by all indications (and rather like asciilifeform's parents) were mistaken re: destination -- thought they had landed in 'vhs america'
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113290 >> the removal of sin and racketeering has a non-trivial and objective effect upon the mind.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 21:58:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113277 << how does getting a new passport fix maffs muscles ?
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113288 << neuroleptics. I know not the exact names. in addition to damaging my
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 21:58:16 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113270 << what sorta drugs? (and did it work?)
gregorynyssa: mental functions, they caused changes in some of my beliefs and preferences, but not in a way which satisfied my parents' demands.
gregorynyssa: for instance, I lost my aversion to profanity. later when the drugging stopped, I felt my beliefs and preferences snapping back to how they
gregorynyssa: were before the drugging. it was the strangest feeling.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113307 << nfi whether 'same feeling', lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 00:38:36 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113283 << exactly. since you are also child of immigrants, you understand the feeling.
asciilifeform: we moved from a ruin to a soon-to-be ruin, nobody 'defected'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113300 << asciilifeform when small was similarly sent to pingpong. did not luvv it, and will never win any tournaments, but even today can play reasonably fwiw.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 00:08:54 gregorynyssa: not being good at sports, or not wanting to play sports or do hiking/camping -> mocking and insulting until I cry, followed by beating.
asciilifeform: imho children oughta be conscripted to sport in some form -- if not even for exercise, but at least to learn to lose gracefully
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113302 << gregorynyssa genuinely blind to facial expressions? ( afaik only possible in stroke victims )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 00:11:33 gregorynyssa: they also took personal offense at "eccentric" behavior: not understanding so-called "facial expressions," failing to detect sarcasm.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113319 << ping pong and badminton are nice because they are indoor sports.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 10:12:47 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113300 << asciilifeform when small was similarly sent to pingpong. did not luvv it, and will never win any tournaments, but even today can play reasonably fwiw.
gregorynyssa: one thing which I regret about not growing up in China was missing out on ping pong and badminton.
gregorynyssa: instead, was forced to play rougher outdoor sports such as basketball and soccer.
gregorynyssa: being someone with good grades as a child, I would have loved to fulfil the athletic requirement by just playing ping pong in an air-conditioned room.
gregorynyssa: my parents rejected accelerated learning, forbade me from reading books outside of school, wanted me to be smart enough to get into a high-ranking
gregorynyssa: university (but no smarter) while also being an athlete.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113322 << I wouldn't say "blind" to "facial expressions" exactly, because that presupposes their existence.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 10:17:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113302 << gregorynyssa genuinely blind to facial expressions? ( afaik only possible in stroke victims )
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113330 << edit: while pouring my spare energy into being an athlete, and not being a Nerd.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 18:38:46 gregorynyssa: university (but no smarter) while also being an athlete.
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: I think awareness of, and sensitivity to "facial expressions" and other "nonverbal communication" skyrocketed during the 20th century.
gregorynyssa: even today, there are differences between countries. I find that Chinese people are largely "blind" like myself. whereas Chinese who have received
gregorynyssa: American education, and Chinese Americans, are aligned with Americans on the issue.
jonsykkel: monkys and such facial express al the time
jonsykkel: must have preceeded verbal comunication
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-23#1113338 << even presupposing an Evolutionary framework (which I don't) the invention of writing
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 18:50:26 jonsykkel: monkys and such facial express al the time
gregorynyssa: may have suppressed/dampened the "nonverbal communication" faculty, only for that faculty to be re-awakened with the advent of radio and TV.
gregorynyssa: this is basically the thesis of Alphabet versus Goddess by Leonard Shlain.
gregorynyssa: the professors Leonard Shlain, Marshall McLuhan, and Carrolll Quigley all attest to this 20th century "nonverbal communication" skyrocketing.
gregorynyssa: (I recall that "asciilifeform" does not like Quigley.)
gregorynyssa: I still look forward to finishing the rest of the FFA tutorials when mathematics returns to my life. have a nice day, everyone.
jonsykkel: gotta get bak to it as wel
jonsykkel: been chillaxing too hard
vex: phf: pest station is on my list of things to do. The way I picture it, when I get around to it, there will be less drunken rants, but in my heart of herst I know it's not true
vex: it's interesting to hear that gregor is blind to facial expressions. dude has amazing ability disscecting written lang. kinda makes sense.
mats: facial expression perception is cultural
mats: what an enormous wall of whinging
vex: nature or nurture?
vex: are you aware that you're whinging about whinging? I can never really get a fix on mats soh
vex: I'll rely on my own
vex: maybe we play ping pong one day mats, you'll laugh. i'm culturally inept
vex: blah blah blah.... holdem tournament
vex: no fighting, no whinging, money on the table
vex: can we shuffle a deck on pestnet?
vex: meh still can't solve the problem of collusion
vex goes to think
vex: it's a feature. the network will solve for collusion.
vex: wanna build a public urinal phf, go make poker, let them have knobs
vex: battle test fo sure
vex: Or. straight to block discovery
vex: maybe if you're legit, you're txs get into the swarming mempool more easily
vex: maybe we need another genesis block to test
vex: hey stan
vex: you know, all this talk of `boring to the readership', it's kinda getting interesting
vex: you did warn of a final departure
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4eMyOzD9UI here have some shitty house music
vex: nope, connect then read da logs
vex: such pest
vex: whaddiya move to bermuda with mp or something?
vex: anytime you encounter new skeeters, it always fucks a cunt up
vex: #swarmlife
vex: seriously, half a mile, it's a new swarm with different asfects
vex: i'm with mats. cultural shit is real. network effect
vex: can also explain it with chemisitry, but whatever
asciilifeform brought up pestron, but nao lulzily not sees peers, not even folx w/ static ip
vex: hoo ra
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-23 23:43:24 vex: whaddiya move to bermuda with mp or something?
vex: afiak bloke is actually dead, we miss his input
asciilifeform not resurrected mp, swears
vex: lol. we miss the discussions\
asciilifeform may've botched the nat config, will retry tomorrow