whaack_temp[asciilifeform]: wow horrible re: b-ok.org
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phf[busybot]: hmm, first time i've actually tested pest on a roaming connection, behind consumer nat
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-04 23:05:59 asciilifeform[6]: ... 'wx' and 'qt' -- only game in town.
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-01-03 asciilifeform: fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result.
phf[asciilifeform]: i've written a simple demo, where use "marks" around areas to be able to replace and update those areas when more information is available
phf[asciilifeform]: tk text widget is plenty powerful, supports a handful of concepts to markup and subdivide the output for all the pest needs. i think you can even output inline images
phf[asciilifeform]: i've not tested in on "gigabytes of data", but eats canticle for leibowitz for no slowdown whatsover
phf[asciilifeform]: the only feature that's missing (and that depends on who you ask) is file drag&drog and drop. i would've liked to be able to drop a file onto the pest window, and get it pasted or uploaded or whatever
asciilifeform: ^ would imho be a sufficient 'wainot', not even need to list others
asciilifeform: ( tho gotta mention, not ever seen a tk proggy that 'loox native' on any os at all, even linux (where 'gtk == native'))
asciilifeform: (tbf it's been many yrs since asciilifeform tried tkism)
billymg[asciilifeform]: well, i feel like an idiot. turns out this was user error
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-02 10:44:28 billymg: god dammit, i think my isp here just started throttling torrents. ubuntu (as a test, 2k seeders) downloading at < 50kB/s
billymg[asciilifeform]: someone clicked the little turtle icon (speed limit) in the web ui. the girl uses the same web interface so i'd like to blame it on her but honestly could've just as easily have been me, seeing as how i didn't even notice
billymg[asciilifeform]: so attn log readers: torrents work fine in costa rica without any workarounds, don't cancel your plans to move here
asciilifeform: billymg: lol
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
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shinohai[busybot]: "Come to beautiful sunny Costa Rica, we have it all! Exotic women! Torrents! Bitcoin Billionaires drowning in the ocean!"
signpost[asciilifeform]: that damned turtle.
signpost[asciilifeform]: good morning all
shinohai[busybot]: Morning shinohai
signpost[asciilifeform]: lol!
shinohai[busybot]: gah SIGNPOST
shinohai[busybot]: Weechat has built-in narcissism, can wish self gm
signpost[busybot]: phf: any requirement to use a fixed-width font?
signpost[busybot] sorta tired of reading human speech in typewriter.
signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015529 << next-best would be to consistently look like itself on all. I've had something like "well-typeset book" kicking around in my imagination.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-05 02:16:09 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: ( tho gotta mention, not ever seen a tk proggy that 'loox native' on any os at all, even linux (where 'gtk == native'))
asciilifeform: signpost: aside from the current curses ughs ( e.g. the weechat asciilifeform is pesting from ) , no reason wai would haveto have fixed font (unless resorting to bake raw fb gui without renderers , that is)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-10-02 23:08:34 asciilifeform: as it is, for fonts alone we've postscript, truetype, opentype, and wtf else
asciilifeform: ^ sumthing asciilifeform attempted, on & off, for ~2decade nao, but not got anywhere satisfying.
asciilifeform: extant os suck so mightily that even 'scroll a screen of text w/out flicker' is a quest for hero
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015538 << dunfughet, also, capt. kidd's treasure!
bitbot[asciilifeform|busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-05 11:36:45 shinohai: "Come to beautiful sunny Costa Rica, we have it all! Exotic women! Torrents! Bitcoin Billionaires drowning in the ocean!"
shinohai[busybot]: BingoBoingo better fire up the yacht and go searchin'
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015545 << you can do all kinds of ungodly things, like http://glyf.org/screenshots/pest-ungodly.png
bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-05 11:45:48 signpost: phf: any requirement to use a fixed-width font?
shinohai[busybot]: very horrendous, wow!
asciilifeform: phf: oh hm, mac port ?
asciilifeform notices that phf's pestron not fills in chains yet. but iirc was mentioned at one pt
asciilifeform not has mac port of anyffin other than -- believe or not -- ffa, where built ~effortlessly and w/out coughing
asciilifeform at one time was benchmarking on various cpu, and the crapple was the only 'i7' in torture room at the time
asciilifeform: would be curious to try on exotic crapples ('m1', 'm2' etc.)
asciilifeform dun have these currently
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015560 << the window is not representative of actual functionality™
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-05 14:09:30 asciilifeform[5]: notices that phf's pestron not fills in chains yet. but iirc was mentioned at one pt
signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015556 << I like it. business, yet casual.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-05 13:29:05 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-05#1015545 << you can do all kinds of ungodly things, like http://glyf.org/screenshots/pest-ungodly.png
phf[busybot]: im stylin
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm going to leave it as is, to remind myself that all life is pain
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform|busybot]: phf: the comic sans is mwah *chefs kiss*
asciilifeform: lol at least not font 'algerian'...
asciilifeform recalls subj from microshit loloffice under win31. and occasionally sees old shop signs in it in rundown parts of town
asciilifeform finally moved 'macivory' & its crt etc to new pad. over9000x portability improvement vs the 3620 !
crtdaydreams[busybot|asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: is the 3620 composite video?
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: nope. 100% digital, over custom cable, 'supervga' res. (long before even 'vga', iirc that particular console circa '84)
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: a little moar re outta what they baked it. emitter-coupled logic.
asciilifeform: 160mhz digital mysterymeat over 12-conductor monster coax.
asciilifeform: was feasible arguably because b&w (1-bit colour). later on iirc they came out with a color display, but was iirc tv-style rather than 'svga'
phf[busybot]: i'm personally quite fond of this picture, http://glyf.org/screenshots/symbolics-square.jpg
asciilifeform: phf: any idea who in this picture ?
asciilifeform: ( or -- when. green kensington trackball? defo mid-'90s neh )
asciilifeform not had the bolix 2nd ed. console pictured; envious
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, it's because you're not into popular culture. without further investigation, pictured is an unnamed Square salaryman sometime between 1994 and 1997 working diligently in s-graphics to implement 3d models for a popular video game Final Fantasy VII
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm pretty sure i've come across details before as far as who was the bolix champion at square and how that came about, but i can't find it anymore
phf[asciilifeform]: genera had support for i18n out of the box, though none were implemented (left as an exercise™) except for japanese. there was even a custom input device for doing kanji input
phf[busybot]: further the two monitors on the bottom right are symbolics console, and the screen with "final fantasy vii" is an s-graphics output over framethrower, which is a custom graphics board
crtdaydreams[busybot|asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: dead link re: [console cable][http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52]
bitbot[busybot|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-05 19:24:59 asciilifeform[5]: example of for what the colour display was.
asciilifeform recognized the bolix console and console game title in phf's pic; and 'framethrower' ( dks: 'hey wanna buy 3640 instead of 3620, could then put 'framethrower'' a: 'not fits in this toyota' )
asciilifeform: the left side screen is almost certainly an sgi (wonder why? only as xterm for the bolix, to give 2nd console ?)
asciilifeform: interestingly, bolix kbd nowhere in sight ( did the wacomesque kanji board replace it?? )
asciilifeform: ( 3640 -- for the innocent -- approx. size of 2 drawer filing cabinet, and iirc ~100kg )
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, can also put framethrower in e.g. xl1201 which is what they are likely using here