verisimilitude: I didn't, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
asciilifeform: shinohai: bot fell ?
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680051
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680273 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.223s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.161s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680273
shinohai: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $48799
shinohai is starting to think ircbot is just a -ev operation - costs more $ and headache to constantly run/restart than worth.
asciilifeform: shinohai: didja ever genesis full src for that bot ? asciilifeform likely could find why it won't reconnect
shinohai: asciilifeform: Same reply as the last 5 times you asked, was published to blog last summer http://btc.info.gf/blog/botworks---ircbot-and-logbot-genesis.html
asciilifeform: shinohai: maybe i already asked this also, but : http://btc.info.gf/devel/lisp/botworks/ only seems to contain the trinque/ben_vulpes foundational patches. didja ever post the src that corresponds to btcinfobot as it runs today ? i.e. w/ the piece that sucks in exch rates etc ?
asciilifeform: that's where the 'botworks tree' link points
verisimilitude: Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lol noobs
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's a ~random #
asciilifeform: (for all practical purposes)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-11 12:16:10 asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, will add that also makes sense if you're privy to the swings of the extraction engine the enemy is running, and can 'buy cheap, sell dear' repeatedly. but i dun expect that any such folx are tuned in.
asciilifeform: a major moving part behind the price swings are the people who run this heat engine -- 1) spread fud re bitcoin 2) 'buy the dip' 3) drum up enthusiasm among morons 4) sell dear 5) goto 1, nao w/ moar coin, extracted from morons on both strokes of the engine piston
asciilifeform: this engine's been whirring for as long as the chrematists have been involved. i.e. since '12 or so.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034495 <<< "Bitcoin down 20%, I HAD 1 BTC AND WOKE UP NOW ONLY 0.8 OMG!!!"
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-23 12:59:39 verisimilitude: Amusingly, people are apparently very concerned about that Bitcoin price drop.
asciilifeform: shinohai: if we still had a qntra, i'd make infographic of the engine. as it is, this summary will have to suffice.
shinohai: Sadly, the few that would even understand the likbez infographic are present in this chan, all others are of the above-mentioned "drum up enthusiasm among morons" camp.
asciilifeform: shinohai: the duty of thinking men is to write for thinking men, if stranded on asteroid and no rational hope of meeting any such
asciilifeform: *even if
shinohai: If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort.
shinohai more of a "fuck you, got mine" person these days.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wasn't wasted effort for, e.g. hitler.
asciilifeform: shinohai: trick is that you gotta offer something more than 'the pleasure of serving hitler' as reward.
verisimilitude: I don't mind screaming into the void with my work, but it's still nice to know I'm not.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform's been 'screaming into void' since early 2000s. on occasions the void -- answers. to date these haven't been a massive win.
asciilifeform: to meatspace associates, have always said 'i write for archaeologists'.
verisimilitude: Well, I came across Loper-OS and it influenced me.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not always influences in right direction. e.g. gabe laddel dropped out of school and eventually starved to death (iirc).
verisimilitude: I'm no familiar with him.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-12 16:15:46 asciilifeform: edef: the previous young fella who grew up reading asciilifeform's www, went mad and (afaik) died. i'd like to improve the record, with some survivers!
verisimilitude: Well don't worry; I wasn't influenced that much.
verisimilitude: I didn't come here to be a groupie.
verisimilitude: I like to laugh at the people in startup land; even if I make no money, at least I'm not losing money.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-15 16:53:24 kiwi_58: acsiilifeform: i really am happy to answer any question i can grasp the nature of... my original questions were : does anyone have any thoughts on the entire "run to 20k fueled by tether" hypothesis ? and what happens if nyag takes substantial action ? does btc crash ? do the other shitbux clones support a crash ?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 11:47:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-16#1019494 << what i dunget is what means 'harm exch rate'. if tomorrow it's 100 instead of 11k, will you cry? why ?
verisimilitude: I've become much more comfortable with my chording keyboard over the weeks.
shinohai: For thread completeness today: https://twitter.com/savmil3/status/1385519084628967431/photo/1
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034530 << you would not cry because either A) you have no bitcoin or B) you are a stoic or C) you have nothing better to do than slave for fiat?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 12:58:37 asciilifeform: btc aint interesting or useful 'because it costs 11k $ per'. any more than it was 'because it costs 100 $ per' in '13. but for entirely other reasons, which have 0 to do w/ the exch rates at any point.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-16 12:55:18 asciilifeform: as for the papercoin-holding speculator scum -- imho the sooner they get the fuck away from btc -- and stay thefuck out -- the better.
asciilifeform: wb trinque
trinque: good afternoon asciilifeform
asciilifeform: trinque: what's new in trinquestan?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034538 << exactly right. btc, if it works, will torch the speculators with their own paper money.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-23 16:36:22 asciilifeform: ( and in same thrd, that imho the bubbles are a harmful distraction .)
trinque: asciilifeform: not much, just took a break from many things, much needed.
asciilifeform: (it either worx or not; did not come with a divine guarantee of monotonic march 'to moon')
trinque: and yourself?
asciilifeform: trinque: megatonne of commercial works. finally approaching point where automated much of the $arduoushorror
trinque: excellent, congrats
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I still don't get it. Like, if you have a bunch such that it's an inconsequential spend to pay living expenses at a certain exchange rate and allow you no longer to slave, wouldn't that be great?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034511 << wasn't wasted effort, but we were too poor at the time.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-23 14:51:47 shinohai: If I learnt anything from #t it's that evangelism is mostly wasted effort.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i wouldn't have a sense of 'can stop slaving' unless had, at min., 10x the 'bare necessary' qty.
trinque: I get the sense a few of us are seeing to that.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: at that pt would not so much care about exch rate , either
trinque: thimbronion: I am holding til the world flips and denominates itself in btc.
asciilifeform: aka victory.
thimbronion: trinque: I would do same if I hadn't married poorly. Not gonna kill myself over it.
trinque: heck, divorce is only slightly more expensive than cap gains
trinque: at any rate, thimbronion say BTC reaches (or USD inflates to) 1M usd
trinque: what'd you buy yourself?
thimbronion: trinque: just girls and time mostly. Like I said, not selling substanial amounts relative to stack.
trinque: I am reminded of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947361
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-10-21 mp_en_viaje: self-sufficiency always beats out great wealth on the long term.
thimbronion: trinque: it's a problem. I'm sick of coding though. Gotta find something else to do.
shinohai: wb trinque ... hope your sabbatical left you refreshed.
trinque: yeah, doing fine. hope same for shinohai
shinohai: All good here, delightful spring weather and girls that pay for themselves.
trinque still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently.
trinque: thimbronion: say you cashed out. what happens when that zombie in the wh prints another 5T?
trinque: to the mathematics of BTC, nothing happens
trinque: I suppose it depends on how much life you think the former has left in it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-23#1034571 << asciilifeform has 1 of these also
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-23 16:54:58 trinque: still with the one, but found the last one that bakes pies for his father's birthday unsolicited, apparently.
thimbronion: trinque: cashing out is dumb. definitely not doing that. wtf would anyone do with large numbers of dollars even? The logistics alone are ridiculuous if (for what reason I can't fathom) you wanted to keep it in cash.
asciilifeform: trinque: unrelatedly, aiming to return to ffaism soonish. (and -- then to port to the suddenly appeared, after asciilifeform waited for decade+ -- 45,000 LUT open fpga board.
shinohai finds it hilarious that Venezuelans grok concept of exchange in BTC instead of truckloads of el Bolivar fuerte ahead of everyone ....
trinque: asciilifeform: ah, that's pretty cool
asciilifeform: shinohai: wai hilarious? asciilifeform had shoebox of rubles. many orcs remember similar experience.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:39:14 asciilifeform: thimbronion: i watched ruble die as a boy. suddenly had whole sack full of'em, felt 'rich'. until a little later, when noticed it wouldn't buy even candy bar
asciilifeform: 'weimar wallpaper.'
trinque: necessity, etc
shinohai: But did asciilifeform exchange sovereign BTC in exchange for said shoeboxes of Rubles?
asciilifeform: shinohai: other direction. (and adjusted for the period) -- shoebox to 1 usd.
shinohai: USD more used currently in VZ than own currency, yet nice to see BTC users there won't touch it.
trinque: incidentally, speaking of projects, got bit-identical builds going for everything *but* gnat itself
trinque: still a bunch of ??? going on in that thing.
asciilifeform still gotta replicate!
trinque: for folks like dpb who were scratching their head at starting with debian to build it, point is to start *many* places and see if one gets same bits.
trinque: gentoo is a hard target for that precisely because each operator has his own.
trinque: rather, hard for me to target all those; easy for oneself his own
dpb: i don't have my own gentoo. I am using what asciilifeform has graciously made available to be had
trinque: the point was rather that you can install the same deps in gentoo that are listed in that bootstrap script, but anyhow.