asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $16666.59
phf[asciilifeform]: 26° 31'
phf[asciilifeform]: , Mars Square Neptune, auspicious day to buy
asciilifeform[busybot]: oughta wait till 6666.66 tho!1!
asciilifeform meanwhile tested that ada xcb binding, found precisely same problem as with xlib
bitbot[busybot|asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-12 22:17:48 asciilifeform: finally realized that fltk author's 'statically linked' claim is bogus, thing still expects dynamic x11, xft, etc. may be possible to cheat w/ e.g. dlopen tho.
asciilifeform: i.e. dun link at all with musltronic gnat; links dynamically with conventional; if linker given '-static', then not at all (xcb dun seem to have a static variant, tho entirely unclear wainot, nominally it implements the localsocket protocol rather than invoking xlib)
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, ah but you've failed to observe the significance of 66-59 being 7!
phf[asciilifeform]: also in totally unrelated, when copy/pasting into tk input widget, it doesn't strip newlines (which is good), but instead it sometimes replaces them with invisible spaces (which is bad). not sure how that works, but end up with spurious newlines like above..
asciilifeform: odd. wonder whether tk per se or crapple tho
asciilifeform shit thee not, actually went and bought an arm-crapple 'disposable' outta sheer curiosity re the arch & its performance. not uncrated yet, lol
asciilifeform: phf: have you tried programming the oddball neural-network coprocessor thing in there ?
phf[asciilifeform]: no, my only exposure to its existence: i was porting a certain proprietary programming language that's otherwise avx512 heavy to m1, and discovered that m1 doesn't really have anything interesting exposed. i.e. they have neon which is see/avx, but there's no support for newer sve
phf[asciilifeform]: and their fancy extensions like the neural-network corpocessor is neither documented on the instruction level, nor is it exposed to user, except through a high level apple style library
phf[asciilifeform]: and moving from avx512 to neon obv dropped performance of some ops from cool 1-2ns to boring 10-12ns. maybe if i spent more time studying the architecture, but unfortunately i started looking at m1 at the same time as i was doing avx512 work, and at this levels (between tight code elsewhere and vector ops) m1 just seemed b
phf[asciilifeform]: oring. like it's vertically integrated, so you get performance boost on unoptimized "all over the place" code, but it's not interesting at all at the tigh inner loop level
phf[busybot]: essentially on the level that i was looking at m1 it was just another arm, and not even the fastest on the market. where's all the cool tech that apple hackers were leveraging was apple style proprietary. maybe now people have reversed portions of it?
phf[asciilifeform]: but then you have posts like https://bytecellar.com/2022/11/16/a-secret-apple-silicon-extension-to-accommodate-an-intel-8080-artifact/
phf[busybot]: so by the time apple moves to an entirely new architecture , we'll have a sufficiently complete picture of m1, to leverage its various hidden speed paths
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-18#1016509 << apparently "entry" widget that i'm using for input is single line by design. on mac it renders single line, but preserves newline as hidden characters
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-11-18 11:58:40 asciilifeform: odd. wonder whether tk per se or crapple tho
asciilifeform: phf: for 'straight wall clock time' for e.g. compiles, seems almost on par with the 'threadripper' in asciilifeform's torture room, interestingly
asciilifeform: ( per report from other fella, not tried w/ own hands just yet )
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, seymour cray could've told you that without even running it
asciilifeform unsurprised re undocumented coprocessors, it wouldn't be a crapple, lol, if were documented..
phf[busybot]: there are two things going on here, and this is my very naive interpretation: short and sweet datapaths, by using system in a package design (which is where you get high wall clock times), and proprietary extensions sprinkled essentially at random (instruction here, coprocessor there) to make apple code go brrr
phf[asciilifeform]: meanwhile you have x86 market working with a very modular design, that necessarily creates overhead. so the whole "m1 totally slaughters legacy intel!!1" narrative is essentially a bunch of idiots going "bauaah duuuh standard bad, ipad render new york times fast good!!"
phf[asciilifeform]: just another coffin in the nail of general purpose computing
asciilifeform suspected ^ , will be testing with e.g. gnat, ffa, $commercialcircusware, rather than nyt tho
asciilifeform: phf: which emacs didja use on that box? seems as if the traditional crapple port runs under emulation
asciilifeform uncrated the thing & finally connected to mains
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, i use macports emacs-app @28.2_0+nativecomp+rsvg
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm not saying the system is bad, i have it ~~ permanently connected to apple pro xdr, and it's a kind of ghetto desktop
asciilifeform: their calibrated lcd thing ?
asciilifeform: ( the 1 with the infamous $1k aluminum leg ? )
phf[asciilifeform]: i dunno how much the leg costs, but the whole thing was 7k out of the box, with the "nano coating" and everything. i have no regrets
asciilifeform not tried subj, and not even because miser, but b/c dunwork with standard displayport cards, loox to be crapple-only periph
asciilifeform currently using 'eizo's
phf[asciilifeform]: yes, ther are allegedly hacks™, kind of how you can run openbsd on an m1 also, but why not relax with a cool refreshing santori instead?
asciilifeform uses crapples strictly as portable 'toilets', so not has much in the way of crapple-specific periphs around
asciilifeform: somewhere i've that oddball touch sensor mouse, tho weak battery and can't be arsed to saw it apart to replace
phf[asciilifeform]: i have exactly three crapple devices at home in general (not counting wife's iphone): xdr monitor, m1 macbook pro and a powerpc g4 laptop
asciilifeform: good old g4. imho the 12in g4 -- best crapple to date
asciilifeform: could even boot into the ancient '90s os
phf[busybot]: but the first two i use as work machine, and a toilet box, because two are the same in my line of work. i split them between accounts, and use mac os fast switch. because my whole work stack is optimized for mac anyway, there's really no reason to use anything else
asciilifeform had 1 from salvage, rubber-malleted the mangled shell into sumthing like straight (after removing contents lol)
asciilifeform: right, iirc phf was in the crappleware biz at some pt
asciilifeform lulzily, for many yrs used crapples ~exclusively to run various infected winblowzen in vmware
phf[busybot]: one advantage of crappleware, is that they periodically release something extremely pimped out, that you don't need to think about much to use
phf[busybot]: i think that's why they fully cornered the webshit developer & related markets
phf[asciilifeform]: and that their strategy of pimped vertical integration and narrow scope products works. like take eizo, which eizo should one buy so it doesn't suck? because their main line, whatever it is, coloredge, is now trash.
phf[asciilifeform]: they have like 5 product lines with 10 products in each, and some of those /allegedly/ are still eizo quality, and some are just generic junk. "this dell monitor is pretty good" level of junk.
asciilifeform: phf: ev3285. (but ftr asciilifeform aint an artist, and not used the colorimeter calibration pheature, has nfi how suitable for such work)
asciilifeform after trying various supposed 'flicker-free' lcds, and sending back / selling all of'em, using subj for going on 2y nao, not much to complain about
phf[asciilifeform]: that was a rhetorical question :>
asciilifeform: the 'generic' & 'gaming' eizos actually quite distinguishable, they have 1 digit less in price, lol
asciilifeform: (not that the extra digit guarantees 'old eizo' quality. per asciilifeform the tube light ones were actually easier on the eyes)
asciilifeform: at least until tube began to give out
phf[asciilifeform]: same in class monitor with this apple one is CG319X, maybe worth a try out
asciilifeform: not tried that 1. loox like moarpixels, can't hurt
asciilifeform: ( the spectrometric thing is wasted on asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: lulzily, cg advertised as having 'noiseless, fanless operation'. are fans common on lcd nao?!~!
phf[asciilifeform]: i bought an eizo (but which one i don't remember now, because again after researching the options, one knows that XY1234 is the right now, good luck recalling it later though) from a russian guy in russia, and he was a genuine pauper, using his eizo to watch kurosava movies "in perfect definition"
phf[asciilifeform]: was selling it because "need to pay for rent"
asciilifeform fondly remembers old 'medical' eizo w/ 10bit b&w panel
phf[asciilifeform]: lol i was about to mention that line. maybe one should buy a gx560, a monocrhome radiology one, and use it for work
phf[busybot]: only $9k
asciilifeform: buy it on lulbay, minus the 'medicinal tax'
asciilifeform wonders what a modern-chemistry 1-bit lcd might look like, in re contrast ratio
asciilifeform: (hypothetically, ideal would be 'oled', and minus the burnout -- iirc it's the blue diodes which burn)
asciilifeform: green-only oled @ 4k would rock imho.
phf[asciilifeform]: i can't even figure out how much that gx560 costs. i guess different configurations run between $9k above and $25k
asciilifeform: phf: the ~20k one seems to be simply pair of units on 1 mount
phf[asciilifeform]: (i've noticed that i had an ebay alert for one of the previous iterations, and it never triggered, so i'm not sure about that lulbay route. possibly units like that stay at one location until internal monitor/hour counter goes above some number, at which point they just get recycled)
asciilifeform: and yea one aint likely to find latest model of a medicalism on surplus market
asciilifeform: there were iirc gx540s on ebay etc last saw
asciilifeform: if want latest, gotta wait for the counters to actually run to where 'not guaranteed medical' or watnot
phf[busybot]: i suspect there's not even a back of truck market, of some doctor selling his out of commission imaging monitor on ebay, because most lack imagination when it comes to things like that. "why would i want this custom appliance, when you can just buy a dell monitor for $200???"
asciilifeform: phf: iirc for xrays they actually gotta use the 10+bit b&w's to get usable view
asciilifeform saw subj even at ordinary dentist
asciilifeform: it comes with the mouth sensor thing, as a kit
phf[asciilifeform]: right, but my point is that they use it for xray, but then still do data entry on a dell. that's not even a bad part, it's more like this particularly separation means that "very expensive high end monitor i could use at home to read new york times" doesn't even register. i'm guessing of course.
asciilifeform: prolly not erry dentist. but where oncologists etc., 10k lcd, would expect, dwarfed by cost of lawsuit, so used.
asciilifeform: there's usually an ordinary 'dell' etc. standing next to it
asciilifeform apropos, for some yrs looked for surplus digital xray sensor, cuz processing film in bathtub is a bitch. the only ones easily findable are the tiny dental ones, with bite marks lol. anyffin larger -- 5fig
asciilifeform: all of'em also run on ancient winxp shitware, no 'usb webcam standard' or anyffin of the kind
asciilifeform: (typical for 'golden toilet' periph)
asciilifeform: finding the shitware aint trivial, either, normally not included with the toothmarked suplus boxen
asciilifeform unsurprised at cost of digital xray sensors: it aint only 'medical tax', but thing needs very high density single-crystal ccd to be of ~any use
asciilifeform: (cuz there ~aint any such thing as xray optics)
phf[busybot]: this sbf/ftx stuff is just beautiful
phf[asciilifeform]: i don't think previous goxes were this entertaining because it's just grifters grifting, but here you have the lizards in on the action, and their grift is like next level 4d chess grift. it's just beautiful.
asciilifeform: phf: to asciilifeform loox like bog-standard gox ( with 3-4 additional digits of moolah in the mix from blackrock etc. via 'ministry of cooling btc exchrate' ) but admittedly asciilifeform not deeply tuned into subj
phf[busybot]: asciilifeform, previous gox were dirt people (depending on your inclination, possibly guided or subverted by cloud people), this is cloud people through and through in on the action
phf[asciilifeform]: so there's a lot more "goldstein, the director of gold, was also the uncle of mary breker-horowitz, who is seen in this picture sucking dick on amphetamines"
phf[asciilifeform]: when dirt people go bad it's usually to put spinners on rims, where's there a lot more untroubled largesse in the whole sbf/ftx affair. everything that i read (and i'm not even explicitly seeking it out, various locklins are poping up with snarky opinion pieces in my feed) elicits a kind of "god, DAMN, wooden doors?" react
asciilifeform: wooden doors?
signpost[asciilifeform]: "their houses are made of house! their offices are made of office!"
asciilifeform never been to a sublizard's house, much less a lizard's, not knows what the doors are supposed to be made of ( niobium ? silicon nitride ? )
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-04-11 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
phf[busybot]: asciilifeform, originally a holocaust meme, that's now a standin for a popcorn grade conspiracy theories, where you don't really have emotional attachment to details, but in it for the entertainment value
asciilifeform: aa the gasenwagen doors right
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, originally yeah the observation that doors in some gas chambers were made out of wood, which evolved into a meme where tonny sopranos and paulie are having an imaginary conversation about it "ay tone, on mu mudda, wooden doors." "geddafuckouttaheeee"
asciilifeform: ( ftr per asciilifeform's model, goxen are created (by gifting some 'favoured son' 8fig of printola, uplifting him from 2nd lieutenant at $hedgefund lizard kindergarten to 'captain of industry'(tm)) for 1) cool down exchrate by minting papercoin, erryday 2) to be dropped as ballast when reich collapse turns a notch and des
asciilifeform: ... 2) to be dropped as ballast when reich collapse turns a notch and desperate dampening is needed.
asciilifeform: ftx per this model worked for (1) for coupla yrs, then when req'd -- (2). )
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, there's absolutely more things going on here than just waterfall
asciilifeform cannot 'proofy proof'(tm) but afaik no avail. facts contradict this 'astronomical' hypothesis
phf[asciilifeform]: i don't know, it's turning into one of those ascii threads, where you're trying to convince readers of something entirely unrelated, because you have some point to make. i'm saying /i/ find the ftx amusing because i already found all kinds of extra details, that go beyond the model that you have verbalized n-times already
asciilifeform: phf: fair'nuff.
asciilifeform not has 'new point'; only what described above
asciilifeform also not knows 100% (even of the public) details of latest lul
asciilifeform: phf: curious re 'extra details' if you've the sparecycles to summarize
signpost[asciilifeform]: does look in this case that a much larger graft engine attached itself to "crypto", rather than some btc price suppression scheme.
signpost[asciilifeform]: whatever animates the globohomo-aligned elites in the blue party.
asciilifeform: signpost: seems logical that it would. imho a little surprising that it took as long as it did, but then again iirc participation of saecular 'hedge funds' etc. in shitcoinism was legalized in '17, and these folx work 'in geological time' (often enuff on ms-excel etc) so then.
signpost[asciilifeform]: those, but also the clinton-foundation type schemes
signpost[asciilifeform]: tax shelter plus "charity" that pumps reptile investments in w/e
signpost[busybot]: iirc SBF was second highest donor to the democrats after soros this year
signpost[asciilifeform]: and christ can I not stand that infantilized sniveling voice these all have.
signpost[asciilifeform]: sbf, buterin, et al
phf[busybot]: asciilifeform, i've not tried assembling a definitive guide to all the ftx lulz, but i'll maybe go back over the posts i read or if something new comes up
phf[asciilifeform]: here's for example a fact check, if you read it through kremnilogy lense, full of interesting information, https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-ukraine-democrats-laundering-996663874380
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bitbot[busybot]: Logged on 2022-11-18 17:01:05 signpost: and christ can I not stand that infantilized sniveling voice these all have.
asciilifeform: lol re apparent inclusion of ukrowank
asciilifeform: signpost: this is where asciilifeform admits that he in fact never heard voice tape of buterin et al. (somehow -- avoided) -- so not knows.
asciilifeform: seeing them in txt was enuff, lol
asciilifeform vaguely recalls seeing a photo, tho, where iirc he had gorbachev-style wart or sumsuch
signpost[busybot]: lispy mommy's autistic sweetie thing. not worth confirming.
asciilifeform: ( if only all servants of evil were conveniently marked with wart... as locklin et al seem to imagine )
signpost[asciilifeform] heard that affectation constantly when visting mordor, CA for work
asciilifeform believe or not, never yet been to ca
asciilifeform: ( coupla times nearly had to , but each time avoided )
signpost[asciilifeform]: I mostly stayed in the corporate space stations
signpost[asciilifeform]: street level was disgusting
asciilifeform: signpost: hm, thought that precisely 'space stations' is where the kunstkammer folx concentrate ?
signpost[asciilifeform]: yep, just commenting on the limited extent of my CA tour
asciilifeform: signpost: wat was disgusting on the street ?
signpost[asciilifeform]: they were full of the whiners, but preferable to meth-zombie apocalypse
asciilifeform: aa, hobos ? they're errywhere where no winter. ( visit e.g. montevideo , battallion of hobos per 10 or so blocks )
signpost[asciilifeform]: the decay in SF is next-level, but sure
signpost[asciilifeform]: de-facto legalization of e.g. fentanyl produces special creatures
asciilifeform: hm, thought fentanyl is how reich pest-controls (closes eyes on cheap import from cn, then powder mixed into traditional dopes for a quick kill)
asciilifeform: 'this pill was cheap but defo Does Sumthing!' , next day eats 2, drops
signpost[asciilifeform]: nah, a lot of them linger, shit-covered, for a while
signpost[asciilifeform]: meth also, nothing's de-facto illegal
asciilifeform: well none of it was ever properly 'shoot on sight' illegal a la cn. rather was 'only approved cartels may supply'
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of sbf et al, whose dope comes straight from factory, synthesis-grade 'five nines' etc )
asciilifeform: situation in reich re dope reminiscent somewhat of '1984', where lumpens & 'inner party' are similarly free to do whatever they like, only the workhorse 'middle' is actually under panopticon
asciilifeform: ( ditto e.g. tax in reich, and in most other respects -- similar )
signpost[asciilifeform]: yup, it wouldn't surprise me to see drug permissivity passed at the federal level in time
asciilifeform: 'permissibity' in the 'not illegal to walk around in stupor' (already , lol, not... ) rather than 'meth at the pharmacy counter' variety
signpost[busybot]: austin almost went the way of SF, but a ballot prop (re-)banned the street camping
signpost[asciilifeform]: so temporary reprieve while the carnies multiply in the woods
signpost[asciilifeform]: I'm sure they'll spill back out of the woods in time
asciilifeform recalls prohibition-era descriptions of 'speakeasies' where elite savoured the fact that their drinking dens not fulla dirty plebes
asciilifeform: (after prohibition kaput, they switched to 'aristocratizing' e.g. cocaine)
asciilifeform: they were addressing the 'same coke' problem.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-01-08 asciilifeform: 'warren buffett drinks the same coke as the street bum.'
asciilifeform: ( or, if you like, can go back to 16th c, 'sumptuary laws'; desire of elite to jack up their sense of 'we not only have moar, but can deny to others for better contrast ratio' )
signpost[asciilifeform]: subj of opium dens, orange man now promises to kill the dealers like duterte
asciilifeform still has somewhere his prev. brochure of megapromises
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2021-08-02 asciilifeform: recall that brochure where listed the ministries trump promised to close ?
phf[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform, sumptuary laws was also flowed as a theory for why "mask mandates for you, but not for zelenski"
signpost[asciilifeform]: he doesn't even sell it well anymore.
signpost[asciilifeform]: tired old man bawing at the podium
asciilifeform: signpost: not unlikely that he'll even be installed on throne again, if lives to the age where, like the current muppet, can barely read script
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-24 asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"applause. "O!"an ovation. "O!!!"the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
asciilifeform: de-facto job qual nao, like in ye olde politburo
asciilifeform quite in favour of ~genuinely~ expanding access to dope for the terminally bored morons. errywhere asciilifeform lived for past 20y, there is ~always~ 2-3 blox away a demented retiree good for 3-4 hours of leaf blower /d
asciilifeform: he oughta be sitting in own juices, on dope, would be a++
asciilifeform puts on shooting muffs
signpost[asciilifeform]: the impatience on this guy. we give the world covid, we give it mrna shots, give us time!