thimbronion: I'm restarting the alethepedia project. I'm going to attempt to use apify.com again, but with better project specifications that take into account the shortcomings of the last attempt.
thimbronion: Moving focus away from the search bot for now since I came up with a prototype but hardly anyone was interested in using it.
thimbronion: Also, as trinque noted, what's the point of building for IRC?
thimbronion: Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs.
thimbronion: Also I definitely was never subject to CO poisoning - likely some metabolic problem in combination with sleep apnea catching up with me.
asciilifeform: wb thimbronion
thimbronion: ty
asciilifeform: thimbronion: when did you come to think that you suffered CO poisoning? i dun recall the thread
snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-01 19:11:01 thimbronion: May also have been suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning over the past few weeks, we shall see.
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: where asciilifeform lives, is commonplace to install detectors
thimbronion: yeah the were installed - never went off
thimbronion: I did buy a device that shows levels in real time - occasionally went very high, but I think it
asciilifeform: thimbronion: get the ones which have lcd showing peak ppm
thimbronion: 's just defective. Bought another that constanly reads 0.
asciilifeform: (and test w/ chainsaw motor or similar)
thimbronion: Anyway, moved out of that place to another without a gas fireplace.
asciilifeform always wanted a gas fireplace, to build plasma speaker in
thimbronion: asciilifeform: the cottage is still available for rent afaik!
asciilifeform: thimbronion: where was this? cr?
thimbronion: Sacramento, CA
asciilifeform: aa lol
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002293 << if you have interest in sawing on my old logger -- would be nifty to get working backlinks (a la phf)
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-21 12:51:53 thimbronion: Without an alternative, I'm at a loss as to what productive activities I could work on related to logs.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: can you show me an example?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: recall the hand icons in ye olde btcbase log www ?
thimbronion: ah yes
asciilifeform: (i.e. each line linked to 1 or moar times would be displayed with series of 'hands', the latter, when clicked, would take to the line where said index was cited)
asciilifeform intended to implement this feature but never finished
asciilifeform: there are imho more pressing bugs/missing knobs in my logotron (e.g. lack of doublequote string search) ftr.
asciilifeform will be surprised if anyone other than himself picks up these jobs, but always ready to be pleasantly surprised..
thimbronion: if asciilifeform is willing to do the PM role, I could possibly donate some btc to make these things happen.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: we're taking about perhaps 20-30 loc, not mega-project imho
thimbronion: asciilifeform: whoever took it on might be useful on other bigger projects? Idk. I'm interested enough to donate btc but don't have the energy level to do it myself right now.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: thimbronion: do you recall the old #t thread re bounties ?
thimbronion: only that it exists.
asciilifeform: i'ma try & excavate, 1s
snsabot: (trilema) 2018-06-12 asciilifeform: considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ?
thimbronion: Firstly, is software consulting == bounty?
asciilifeform: traditionally, is called this when the problem set is public & given in advance
asciilifeform: (and expectation is that solvers are paid for solution, rather than hours etc)
thimbronion: Why not spec out the project, get an estimate of hours from bidders and pay hourly?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: you could, is how heathen commercial softwarism traditionally works. imho results not very impressive tho, typically.
thimbronion: The results you provide are impressive, I'm sure.
thimbronion: I have had pretty bad results from using the various odesk type sites.
thimbronion: otoh, the consultancy I work for provides very high quality results.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: imho there ain't such a thing as 'impressive' horse in a 6-horse harness. which is how heathendom typically worx re software dev
asciilifeform moar recently working as 1-horse, can't tell how 'impressed' customer is necessarily, but hasn't run away yet fwiw
thimbronion: I've worked with indian and chinese spaghetti factories, as well as with more ethical shops.
thimbronion: Ethical shops are pricey.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: what means here 'ethical' ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: for example leaving the code in a maintainable state.
asciilifeform: aa
thimbronion: documentation
thimbronion: testing
thimbronion: Quality costs well in excess of 100/hr in my experience.
asciilifeform has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked
thimbronion: It's tough to get quality people for less than a 6 month gig.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: obv. depends on particular flavour of the sofwarism, but in the industry at large -- outright charlatans seem to outnumber actual practitioners ~10:1
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2020-02-13 asciilifeform: curiousd0g: at one point i had fella with master diploma and perfect marks walk in. 'computer engineering'. couldn't helloworld.
thimbronion: Oh yeah.
thimbronion: It seems like ben_vulpes should be able to dig someone up, if he were willing.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere ben_vulpes
snsabot: ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-02-11#1002232 << you must have hated The Witcher then.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-11 09:45:00 thimbronion: trinque: pozing originally meant intentionally infecting a gay sex partner with aids. In this case I'm using the term to describe the addition of lgbtq, female, and non-white characters to the plot for political rather than dramatic reasons.
gregorynyssa: aside from the fact that the writing was just awful.
gregorynyssa: I am watching Deutschland 83.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems?
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-21 14:12:31 asciilifeform: has long history of problems that could not find anyone to solve at any price point, 100% of the folx qualified to try are busy/booked
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: It started off great.
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: your story about the note-taking GUI with inline tags was great.
thimbronion: But when they brought in the 1 in 7,000,000,0000 black german speaking general and made him a major plot point it kind of ruined it.
thimbronion: And they gay brother
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002360 << e.g., or cr50 thing, and 'over 9000' other
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-21 14:59:39 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2021-04-21#1002348 << can we hear more about these problems?
snsabot: (trilema) 2018-09-09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla times in recent yrs asciilifeform , in saeculum, was asked to recruit various hands ( programmers, reversers, etc ) and you can prolly guess result
asciilifeform: tbf normally i dun even think of trying to hire anyone to do anything. it's simply a recipe for saying goodbyte to $maxint with ~0 to show for it.
asciilifeform: 'if you want something done properly, do it with own hands'.
asciilifeform: *goodbye to
thimbronion: this doing with own hands thing doesn't scale
thimbronion: there's just too much to do
thimbronion: what's the point of money if you can't get other people to do stuff you want for it?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: if what you want is e.g. have cement mixed -- can have. and scales.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: software, on other hand... the historical experience aint good.
asciilifeform: entire field is catastrophically braindamaged in a way that defies description (while universally, if unspokenly, known to the practitioners.)
thimbronion: meh it's a python script
asciilifeform: just about erry problem therein only exists on account of previous 'solutions'
thimbronion: it's not ADA
thimbronion: or, Ada
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i thought thread was about such things as do not fit in own hands
asciilifeform: scaling etc
thimbronion: Start was iirc getting the additional work done on the logger
thimbronion: webshit dev scales
asciilifeform: only if you find the typical webshitter's output acceptable.
thimbronion: Can't you review the code and tell them to rewrite?
asciilifeform: this invariably takes at least as much time / effort as writing w/ own hands.
asciilifeform: (arguably a proper review, where would be willing to sign, takes ~longer~ than writing from 0)
thimbronion: Some education may be involved
thimbronion: If the guy can't learn, fire and try another guy.
thimbronion: Then eventually you end up with a) completed project and b) competent coder
asciilifeform: apprenticeship works, historically. but is rather different affair than 'hire mr.x to do $script'
asciilifeform: requires serious investment on ~both~ sides of table.
thimbronion: Is it worth it?
asciilifeform: if folx dun find it 'worth it' -- curtain call for their civilization.
asciilifeform: doesn't automatically guarantee that they will, naturally.
thimbronion: Weird thing is MP had no objection to paying people. AFICS only objected to paying males.
asciilifeform: imho this is mistaken phrasing. he did not seek out relations that were based mainly on pay.
thimbronion: No objection.
asciilifeform: this was 1 of the few places where to asciilifeform he made 100% sense.
thimbronion: He sought out - partnerships - where one partner was more equal than the other.
asciilifeform: did not afaik believe in even theoretical possibility of any other kind.
asciilifeform: like e.g. m. ghaddafi, will probably believe that no one is his equal even when the bayonet enters his arse.
asciilifeform: narcissists afaik not curable.
asciilifeform bbl