punkman: went swimming yesterday, sea was rough, now I read man drowned 500m from where I was
kakobrekla: you just doxed yourself :)
punkman: don't have seekrit location anyway
PeterL: punkman: what are these links?
punkman: portable fpga device and something about it's trng
shinohai: Also nice link to novel use of scopolamine in the wild.
asciilifeform: punkman: i recall that box, an earlier variant was hyped during #ba days even. gotta love how author uses word 'open' with straight face to talk about a box which runs on a supersize xilinx, for instance.
dulapbot: Logged on 2019-12-27 16:12:02 asciilifeform: amberglint: the huang fella is a вредитель , likely sponsored directly by the enemy. consider: with what it cost to bake his shitware to date, one could easily order a properly-open fpga made from 0. but instead he pushes xilinx's.
asciilifeform: ... not to mention that it 'needs' one so that it can run systemdized linux w/ multiGB liquishit.
asciilifeform: punkman: his rng article also lulzy, where he shits out kilometre of sophistry to pretend that he aint whitening
asciilifeform: 'death by thousand cuts' of gratuitous complexity; iirc he even has 'rust' in there somewhere.
asciilifeform: shinohai: scopalomine & relateds have been used for at least a century in exactly the format described
punkman: it's gonna run their Rust OS not linux, I think
asciilifeform: shinohai: in sovok such thieves were sometimes known as 'chemists'
asciilifeform: punkman: even lulzier, a++
punkman: and since it's super-secure, why don't you put your bitcoin wallet in it
punkman: something along those lines
asciilifeform: let'em put.
shinohai: asciilifeform: Here I had been misuing the shit all along in order to make girls into stepford wives for 12 hours.
asciilifeform still, nearly 5y after FG release, and 7+y since started serious work on rngs, entertained by the studious avoidance of the 'open sores' types of the approaches which actually work and don't require 8cores of GHz cpu running GBs of whatever braindamage
asciilifeform: shinohai: sounds moar like chemical warfare than 'fun dope'. but to each his own i suppose
thestringpuller: i take it asciilifeform not a fan of arduino even for education?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i dun have anyffin against it, there are at least 3 controlling various mechanisms in asciilifeform's torture room, it's a cheap rubbish board
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega'
asciilifeform: what's the connection to upstack ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: personally trying to learn more hardware now; i may misunderstand your question.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i mean, why the q about arduino ?
thestringpuller: loose link in my brain reading upstream about FPGA in logs
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 0 relation
thestringpuller: to you :)
asciilifeform: ^ in this picture, simply a box that shits 4 hardcoded strings outta rs232 port
punkman: I've seen how arduinoism in education. Students rarely learn how to code even the simplest thing, just copy-paste and shithub.
punkman: Precursor seems like it'd be fun to play with, but at $500, meh
punkman: (kinda doing the rounds on my old open sores hardware bookmarks)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 15:28:35 asciilifeform: hey why not automate the usual 'indian coad' generation process, where morons cut&pasta from shithub.
asciilifeform: as for 'precursor', why thefuq would i buy a 500$ xilinx devboard. already sitting on a tall pile of same, of erry conceivable kind.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044397 << ATmega328 + uLisp = <3
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 11:23:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega'
asciilifeform: punkman: re: 'sifive' -- imho not all that much moar bang-for-buck than, say, rk -- but 14x the price!
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-21 21:09:17 asciilifeform: 'Once development pc meant cheap hardware, no frills, where the manufacturer most of the time sold it below price so that it could be adopted and tested by as many people as possible. Now it’s completely the opposite: this hardware is sold at crazy prices and bought most of the time by people who will keep it in a museum.'
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-21 20:55:12 asciilifeform: 'unmatched' would make a rather spiffy replacement, imho, for rk -- if not for the fact that it costs like 14 rk's...
punkman: asciilifeform: "SymbiFlow is a fully open source toolchain for the development of FPGAs of multiple vendors." << you know where they are hiding the blob?
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-08-14 asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.
asciilifeform: punkman: in xilinx's vlsi, i.e. they encourage the use of xilinx-proprietary on-die periphs, if you want to port such design to e.g. ice40 or own silicon, nodice
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-22 12:39:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-22#1020093 << a fpga was originally ('80s) precisely 'bag of LUTs.' the 'let's include 9000 undocumented periphs and license out the closed turds to drive'em' biz model came in '90s.
asciilifeform not tried, actually, 'symbiflow', may have other 'fun surprises' in store
asciilifeform: did use 'yosys' for ice40; mostly worx
punkman: Install Vivado 2017.2" << guessing it's this Vivado item
asciilifeform: then again, iirc 'xray' was a reversing suite
asciilifeform: so makes sense, you start w/ the turdware and proceed
asciilifeform: the problem w/ that kinda thing (aside from xilinx lockin re periphs , already mentioned) is this.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-07-19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
asciilifeform: i.e. even adequately reversed xilinx turd aint a substitute for the missing 'soup of LUTs' large homogeneous fpga.
bonechewer: Maybe I am overconfident, but I fail to see how the adversary could compromise a device using a Xilinx FPGA as long as its designer did not use the Xilinx proprietary tools nor on-chip blobs
asciilifeform: bonechewer: moar or less impossible to do ~anything w/ a large (i.e. fpga, rather than cpld) xilinx w/out the onchip blobs
asciilifeform: bonechewer: is less about compromise of finished device, and moar about lock-in
bonechewer is willing to live with vendor lock-in if that is the only price of a device that doesn't allow compromise of the product using it
asciilifeform: (on top of this, the usefully large xilinxen sell for ~weight in diamonds)
bonechewer: still costs less than building one's own fab to create homogeneous sea-of-LUTs FPGA
asciilifeform: bonechewer: there nuffin magic about making a comp outta fpga -- if you use your $1000 xilinx to emulate a pentium and run poetteringware on it, you get compromised in exactly same way as a derp who bought a 'dell'
bonechewer: of course!
asciilifeform: (this point seems to be lost on some folx)
bonechewer has no interest in building CPU out of FPGA, but likes the idea of implementing e.g. USB SuperSpeed in one rather than using a potentially compromised ASIC
asciilifeform: the ideal usecase for fpga is to turn $device into a non-vonneumann item which doesn't need software or an os at all and still does $job.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: if you're looking for a (slow) usb stack for fpga, actually exists, i tested on ice40
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-04-21 asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.
asciilifeform: worx well enuff for 1MB/s
bonechewer: That is a laudable goal, but I just want to not have to rely on enemy PHY for USB or bluetooth chip
asciilifeform: bonechewer: keep in mind that 'enemy phy' is only a problem if you give it dma.
asciilifeform: (and yes this is how they're ~typically~ connected to host, but no one forces you)
asciilifeform: at the same time it's nice not to need separate ic for usbism
asciilifeform used a simplified variant of linked piece for his unreleased ice40 FG remake
davout: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-08#1044099 <<< the point is that there is no path dependance for bitcoin to survive. if for two weeks no one is available to move gold around, because there's war on the streets, that doesn't make gold go away in puff of smoke by not being transferable for some amount of time
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 07:51:54 kakobrekla: on another note, davout, your argument about 500 years of bitcoin inactivity ... i dont like it. LN cant save you and if you do not have the potential to move coin avaliable at hand, its as useless as nfts.
davout: the example would probably work better with "2 weeks" instead of "500 years", i'll grant you that
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-05-01 asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-13 20:46:45 asciilifeform: in train to auschwitz, glass of water cost exactly 1 gold watch.
davout: not sure how that relates?
asciilifeform: effects of 'oops, ww3, can't tx for a while'
asciilifeform suspects that the exch rate would in fact move if no one could tx for a yr or 2, and consist even ~more~ overwhelmingly of papercoin by weight
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 15:11:54 asciilifeform: embrace&extinguish bitcoin; often enuff not even operates w/ actual tx, but with paper surrogates.
asciilifeform: davout: this is of course ~not~ equivalent to the lunacy in earlier linked article, where 'ohnoez bitcoin needs a working net 24/7/365'
asciilifeform: a downed net would likely produce an interesting 'footrace' to spend, when stands back up, morons and folx under duress will share privkeys
davout: a downed net would probably result in tons of folks firing up miners
davout: depends what you mean by 'net' i suppose
asciilifeform: davout: hypothetical calamity that takes out large % of global net
asciilifeform: yes, fire up miners -- but, say, with massively fragged hash rate, good setup for forklet war and reorgs of lengths previously thought impossible
asciilifeform astonished that to this day no one (afaik) set up shortwave for block propagation
asciilifeform: ... hypothetically would even be +ev for a miner to set up shortwave mast -- throw a wrench into the cartel which (where 'chainlets' of cartel-mined blocks outcompete slowly-propagating singles by outsiders)
asciilifeform: ( granted, would have to be something other than 'small change' miner, who somehow not yet in cartel )
davout: asciilifeform i see such a massive network partition, where 1mb blocks couldn't propagate every 10 minutes, very very unlikely
davout: and even more unlikely that it would persist at all
asciilifeform: davout: didn't say it was likely, lol
asciilifeform: but can picture scenario where plausible.
davout: do elaborate
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-04-22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647437 << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt )
davout: i wouldn't give it 24h before someone sets up a hamradio bridge
asciilifeform wouldn't be astonished if it turned out to be the case that fibers already mined 'in advance'
asciilifeform: davout: possibly. tho, tricker than it appears.
shinohai: Folx already do the GoTenna/Meshnet bitcoin thing though certainly not under wartime conditions.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wasn't that a shortrange thing ?
shinohai: Yeah and as exists mostly confined to USSA/EU
shinohai: So if you're in Niger during the apocalypse, single dude with a car battery got ur back.
asciilifeform: shinohai: from this map you can already see 'over 9000' clusters considerably farther apart than the nominal range of the thing
asciilifeform: today, very easy to pretend that bitcoin is properly decentralized, and that it doesn't matter that %% of hash is in mongolia
mats: have you seen the diff recently? lol
asciilifeform: mats: as a matter of fact i admit that have not, i look mebbe erry yr at most
mats: miners have been exiled from the mainland
mats: biggest diff change ever
asciilifeform: mats: right, i recall ( mats linked ) , moved iirc across border into mongolia proper ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's point, tho, remains, the miners (concentrated where cheap mains current for whatever reason) and 'txers' largely live on opposite sides of planet
mats: miners report going to places like kazakhstan, usa etc
asciilifeform: last i knew, usa was only remotely +ev for miner if he can pilfer, somehow, the amperage
mats: pnw has lots of surplus power, for a long time
asciilifeform once attempted to 'colo' a 4u miner thing for a phriend, in an office he was leasing with 'all you can eat' mains. blew the (19th c, possibly) breaker.
mats: and hydropower sources in other areas
asciilifeform: if so -- then could !
asciilifeform: 'make it great again'(tm)(r)(c)
mats: interesting arb of 'stranded energy' in nat gas flares or however that works
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-17 10:36:49 billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-16#1026433 << re: mining (de)centralization, there are at least two north american companies selling gas powered bitcoin miners to oil fields: https://www.upstreamdata.ca https://gam.ai
asciilifeform: mats: i admit that i initially dismissed 'china expulsion' as disinfo, thought 'they ain't stupid'
mats: beijing sure milked it for what it was worth
mats: didn't they have like a full year ahead of any us operators?
mats: asics manufacture and then deployment
asciilifeform: mats: right, no one cancelled the chinese monopoly on the gear
asciilifeform expects it'll continue
mats: hopefully the increased economic interest will deter or minimise any national level legislation or executive action against bitcoining
mats: (in usa)
asciilifeform still surprised that no one (afaik, again) built 'cable box' miners. wouldn't even have to be surreptitious -- simply have it eat rsa-signed broadcasts, and shit out result in such a way that only vendor can make use (will omit the maffs, but not difficult) -- buyer of box feeds it mains current at own expense, and payment
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-05-13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of
asciilifeform is in the form of potential 'lottery' payout to addr he specifies.
asciilifeform: ... then 100% decentralized physical infrastructure, but asic manufacture monopolist remains 'winner'
mats: i'm also very curious what the americans plan to do, if anything, about cryptodollar proliferation
mats: or, for that matter, what other nations plan to do about cryptodollarisation within their borders
mats: in other stale news, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws perpetual trusts are back in black
mats: securing physical boxes against owners is hard, i imagine thats why
asciilifeform: mats: cracking the box only +ev if a) cheap/physically simple and/or b) shared key makes all of'em edible once 1 is popped
asciilifeform: if neither a nor b -- then scheme +ev for irons maker.
asciilifeform: there's 0 particular reason why all '9000' units gotta have shared key. antifuse unique keys into individual dies.
asciilifeform: let owner decap if he wants, take picture, hang on wall.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044526 << lizards pay 0 tax, 'news at 11'...
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 15:30:04 mats: in other stale news, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/the-great-american-tax-haven-why-the-super-rich-love-south-dakota-trust-laws perpetual trusts are back in black
asciilifeform: ( mp summarized this imho correctly -- 'who pays tax' is how you distinguish b/w plebes and lizards )
mats: http://www.actec.org/assets/1/6/PerpTrustsSweeneyMoore.pdf pretty interesting if anyone is curious about this stuff. 'here are now eight states that have abolished or substantially eviscerated the Rule Against Perpetuities: Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, South Dakota and Wisconsin.'
mats: wyoming has also been pioneering a lot of btc related legislation, so if youre a foreigner looking to hide assets from your gov, maybe take a look
asciilifeform: mats: as in example of china, potentially interesting is 'what the crown gives, can later take away', today's 'friendly jurisdiction' is tomorrow's 'nope'
mats: yeah, everyone with any money heard about the ICIJ and their pesky journos
mats: turnt out the british spiderweb and all the other monkeys are subordinate sovereigns
mats: but no one cancelled monopolies on violence, and somebody's got to protect your mineral rights ;/
asciilifeform: mats: the panama scandal ? how much diff did it even make to the 'victims' ? any lost their dough ?
asciilifeform: i'd expect simply carried on exactly like before.
asciilifeform: ( and it was rather well known, asciilifeform heard about it despite not 'having money' )
asciilifeform: simply, these make 0 diff, so what of it, today shell co's in panama, tomorrow in jersey, lizard doesn't even need to personally push any buttons to move it, servants do it
punkman: lulzy https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/how-reporting-for-icij-prepared-me-to-become-a-certified-anti-money-laundering-specialist/
punkman: "For more than seven years, I’ve joined hundreds of reporters from around the world on many of ICIJ’s most iconic financial investigations from Swiss Leaks to the Panama Papers to West Africa Leaks to the FinCEN Files."
punkman: I can't even
asciilifeform: punkman: 'money laundering' , like 'insider trading', 'corruption', is a reich.crime -- i.e. when wrong people do it, 'crime', when 'proper' lizards -- 'biz as usual'
asciilifeform: this -- elementary
asciilifeform: neither bitcoin nor shitcoin nor 100y passage of time made a fuck of a dent in it.
mats: i'm struggling to source a comprehensive hitlist, but here's canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cra-panama-papers-audits-5-years-1.5974690
mats: >Other countries have, however, filed tax-evasion charges, secured convictions and recouped hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes from information found in the Panama Papers.
mats: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-taxpayer-panama-papers-investigation-sentenced-prison some old guy
punkman: yeah it was a thing in Greece too iirc
punkman: don't think anyone got fined/punished though
asciilifeform: mats: makes sense, oughta have expected some small-change people in the list would get hammered
asciilifeform: (always need 'ablative coating' of 'aspirational' not-quite-lizards in any such money shelter, to take the heat if needed )
mats: scalping some octogenarian with taxpayer money... guh
mats: not sure why i thought of this, but reminded me of that epstein/maxwell adjacent slave pinning some vague shit on minsky
mats: instead of naming names, picked a dead guy
mats: also handily resulted in cancelling of rms, so +ev i guess
asciilifeform: iirc this was the whore's testimony, neh. whore -- also wants to live. so, picked deadguy.
mats: would've been A++ if this meant public trial and sentencing of royal scum
asciilifeform: (or for that matter, whole strategy w/ epstein thing -- lay all the sins on him, then strangle. 'see, he's dead, no more lizard islands, believe' )
asciilifeform: mats: the only way royal scum hanged is when cn, ru tanks roll into zurich, london, washington
asciilifeform: (and not guaranteed even then)
mats: for anyone with interest in how offshore tax havens work, shaxson's 'treasure islands' is excellent http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=ADE5D87322D0FEE1AAE62DD4B57482C6
mats: https://www.walesartsreview.org/treasure-islands-tax-havens-and-the-men-who-stole-the-world-by-nicholas-shaxson/ review here
punkman: mats: you might enjoy this one The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire and also from same guy Princes of the Yen
punkman: USA is the biggest offshore tax haven
mats: ya. D.C. insists on everyone upstreaming financial data, and refuses to share in the other direction
asciilifeform: punkman: usa -- for usg-approved orc oligarchs, yes
asciilifeform: the whole 'offshore' thing is as old as income taxation (which from day 1 was simply a lizard ploy to hamstring the middle class -- and a successful one)
asciilifeform: morons:'raise tax on the rich!' crown:'a++, will do, btw we inflated the currency 20%, will claim it was 2%, and you're now rich'
mats: with all of this ez money going round, its getting harder to resist loading up on fiat debt
mats: coin flip there's gonna be some kinda debt jubilee anyway
mats: ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc
punkman: nothing wrong with some real estate
mats: assuming youre a landed punkman, whats an 18k btu heat pump (two zones) cost in gr, all in?
mats: in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k
mats: my greek friend told me his install cost 2k euros, but i dont remember specifics. cant quite square potential total cost of ownership with all the shenanigans, maybe in a proper country (but where?)
punkman: mats: is this the external part of AC system?
mats: includes wall mounted mini splits
mats: internal too
punkman: 2-3k would be reasonable yeah
punkman: city permits? lol
mats: maybe some electrical work so i dont blow the box, its not broken out in the quote
punkman: one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill
punkman: but that's more a working man consideration
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044584 << sounds low (just the comp i'm sitting in front of cost moar..)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 16:34:05 mats: in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k
punkman: checked, you can get two separate 18k btu ACs for ~1k, probably free install too
asciilifeform not mp, doesn't have an 'intel agency', so entirely possib. riotously outta date re numbers
mats: the fuck kind of monster rig costs 11k?
asciilifeform: mats: not even extravagant one, 'threadrippers', sdd, eizos, etc
asciilifeform: nuffin outlandish, simply errything costs 2-3x nao than before plandemic
asciilifeform: pretty sure air conditioner install would be north of 30-40k here, tho
mats: since i'm doing appliances, guess ill mention this new nip portable ac product i spotted recently https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toshiba-14-000-BTU-12-000-BTU-DOE-115-Volt-Inverter-WiFi-Ultra-Quiet-42dB-Portable-Air-Conditioner-with-Heat-for-up-to-550-sf-RAC-PT1411HWRU/314730948 variable load inverter, very good DOE efficiency rating, quiet, hose-in-hose design
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044581 << i've wondered what the exch. rate would be if usg 'amnestied' btc and proclaimed e.g. 'sell in aug. of '21 at 0 tax'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 16:26:41 mats: ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc
mats: i dont fucking understand why hardware stores still sell single hose units, or why anyone buys them
asciilifeform: mats: oh ~that~ kind of ac
asciilifeform once worked in a salt mine where ad-hoc datacenter made in empty office, and was cooled with coupla similar pieces, holes went into ceiling and -- i suspect -- neighbouring empty unit
mats: i only used window units and stepped on the single hose mine
asciilifeform: mats: here i have central + window , the wattage gotta go sumwhere
mats: now i'm trying to sell it secondhand to some other shmuck and i kind of feel bad about it
mats: er, only used window units in the past
mats: place i'm in has sliding windows, so those don't work
asciilifeform: mats: aintcha in californistan ? even needs ac ?
mats: nobody makes me sweat my own sweat
asciilifeform: (or you're in the south?)
mats: 72f and 70% humidity is enough to perspire
asciilifeform: esp. if yer sitting next to 2-3kw of spaceheater, yea
asciilifeform: here in swampland, humidity is the killer
mats: 12yo mats would find present day mats mind fuckingly boring, guy does a couple hours of research studying home appliances
asciilifeform: imho no shame in it, you have to live with that thing
asciilifeform replaced ~90% of his gear this yr, redundant power, net, etc., even desks
asciilifeform: not 'sexy', yes.
mats: whats your net fallback? an lte modem?
asciilifeform: shite signal here tho.
asciilifeform: happily, only gets used maybe erry other yr
asciilifeform: mats: there's 1 'residential' fiber co here, like in most places; once called up various 'commercial, we'll put anywhere' fiber people, their quites started at 100-200k for ~buildout~ ('we'll get you an architect for free estimate!') and 2-3k/mo service. for 100mbit.
mats: same, i opted for a prepaid t-mo flip phone (supports tethering) and a spare fill card
mats: learned that even flip phones now have some kind of minimalist android barf
asciilifeform: mats: ditch the pnoje, get 1 of those pcie modem things, put in whatever passes for router in your torture room
asciilifeform: (e.g. there's an apu1 variant w/ built-in sim slot)
mats: i couldnt find an lte one that goes into an apu1
asciilifeform: iirc mine 'huawei'
mats: everything listed was gsm, but i didnt look hard
asciilifeform will have to look, which
asciilifeform: mats: the hell i'd bother with this shit, tho, if not for 'no work - no eat'
mats: mosh makes it bearable
mats: anyways, good chat, afk
asciilifeform: punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044592 << how much per kW/h ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 16:43:39 punkman: one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's shithole, ~0.07 (us$) currently (actually not scalar, but approx)
punkman: I think it's gotta be over 0.20eur/kwh
punkman: electric bill includes various types of taxes, (poor people electric subsidies, renewable energy subsidies, other crap)
asciilifeform: at that price almost makes sense to buy photocells
punkman: and if you go over 1600kwh (per 4 months), pay even more
asciilifeform: (or these also 200% taxed there..?)
punkman: yeah all PV is taxed on import in EU
asciilifeform: per 4mo?! that's slightly over 1mo of asciilifeform..
punkman: I've been joking that it's gonna be cheaper to run gas generator
asciilifeform: i'd imagine petrol 1000% taxed
punkman: should do the calculations
asciilifeform like chump, had thought, 'greece -- cheap...'
punkman: 1.7eur per unleaded liter
punkman: about 0.9/liter for heating fuel
asciilifeform: greece has winter?!
punkman: yeah and mountains!
punkman: less winter in the south, lots of houses don't have central heating
asciilifeform: watchglass [watchglass@Clk-8A62FE1F] has joined #asciilifeform << errybody plz welcome watchglass !
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 0 nodes...
asciilifeform: let's try that again..
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 16 nodes...
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.117s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=690336 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.316s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (static.126.96.36.199.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.353s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.215s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=184.108.40.206:8333 Blocks=690336 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.400s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.609s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690317
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.301s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.152s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
asciilifeform for now will keep the instance that runs on fleanode, while the latter sorta worx
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: ... or maybe not. watchglass nao on dulapnet exclusively !!
asciilifeform noticed that fleanode nuked its reg. FUCK them.
asciilifeform: billymg_: i looked in .27, there's only 29 conns atm, i suspect either your detector is miscalibrated , or trb needs addr cache purger
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 11:20:15 billymg: asciilifeform: is 18.104.22.168 your node? my crawler is showing that sometime in the last hour or so it jumped from around ~40 connected peers (mostly good) to ~1200 peers (mostly fake/spam)
shinohai: nice, dulapnet grows bots. Hopefully signpost can get deedbot plugged in at some point.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 20:59:41 asciilifeform: working for coupla days nao on a draft of the p2p algo. but nowhere near done yet, it is getting tiny scraps of time left over from gruntwork
asciilifeform: irc proper is dead end.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-28 11:11:39 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: so IRC protocol requires network-graph to be undirected + acyclical. that explains a lot.
shinohai: Makes sense. Will read draft when published o7
asciilifeform: algo is almost insultingly simple imho
billymg: asciilifeform: that's strange, 29 connections seems inline with what i was seeing before
billymg: !w peers 22.214.171.124
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length!
billymg: !w peers 188.8.131.52
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length!
billymg will check again later
billymg: asciilifeform: for when you return, i actually *just* made live a WIP version of the www. you can see from the historical poll results on .27 that the spam peers seem to come and go in waves http://bitdash.io/nodes/220.127.116.11-8333
billymg: looking at whaack's node for example, the most recent getpeers returned a reasonable 66, but in the last 24hr it has been jumping around to the 3-4 digit range
billymg: and i only started seeing that happen as of yesterday when i first reported it, before TRB nodes were always connected to a reasonable number of peers and a high percentage were "real" (i.e. responded with valid version msg when probed)
billymg: asciilifeform: in most recent poll yours returned 25 http://bitdash.io/nodes/18.104.22.168-8333
asciilifeform: billymg: neato www
billymg: asciilifeform: ty, still very rough around the edges and incomplete but wanted to get something up
billymg: if you look at the homepage now and scroll to the bottom can see the TRB nodes have returned to normal
asciilifeform: loox pretty good imho. even colours.
billymg: but clicking into each ones shows the spam wave in the last 24hrs
billymg: asciilifeform: ty, glad you like
asciilifeform: a, '2021-07-09 18:25:20Alive69031499999/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/1694' etc
asciilifeform: interesting. tho loox like trb ~does~ purge cache; yest. i was starting to think it doesn't (or can be induced into fughetting)
asciilifeform: billymg: hm, how do i display all known trb noades in this thing?
asciilifeform: useragent string doesn't appear to be clickable
billymg: asciilifeform: not a feature but it's on my todo list
billymg: asciilifeform: the www runs fast enough on the rk too, i'm guessing has something to do with the 13k rows vs 2M in the logotron db
asciilifeform: billymg: i actually had logotron on a rk for most of a year ! worked fine
asciilifeform: (aside from when searching)
billymg: true, the search is where the lag really shows
asciilifeform: may be avoidable even there with the right pg knobs
asciilifeform: (jack up memory so whole db lives there)
asciilifeform: default is sumthing laffable, iirc 32mb
billymg: asciilifeform: the pollers also burn through the queue much faster sitting at your DC pipe vs. my jungle fiber (with same number of max sockets)
billymg: almost in one third the time
asciilifeform: mine's a miserly 100mb/s but with very good ping to just about all of christendom
billymg: asciilifeform: i hadn't thought of adjusting the memory for postgres, i'll look into that
billymg: asciilifeform: cool, thanks for the link
asciilifeform must bbl