#asciilifeform | 2022-01-09

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watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!

watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

asciilifeform: !w probe 94.176.238.102

asciilifeform: !w probe 94.176.238.102 8333

asciilifeform: !w probe 143.202.160.10 8333

watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!

watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz, 'code that fits in your head' 'Addison-Wesley Professional; 1st edition (November 15, 2021)' (some c# rubbish, seems)

asciilifeform not read, if anyone has, plox to write in.

asciilifeform: ( vendor link )

whaack: asciilifeform: the cover looks like a book my mentor had me read during my internship at goolag, that book was called 'Clean Code' or something

whaack: test

whaack: !e view-height

trbexplorer: block_height: 717895

mod6: Over in #pest, just ran `/quote unpeer whaak` and was about to enter his updated key and AT info. but now, blatta won't even restart. Just keep getting this message over and over on start up: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pgIv

mod6: Here's a peek at the IRC (irssi) client side: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=DmUT

mod6: Do I need to nuke the .db and start cleanly?

whaack: mod6: i would backup the db and start again with a new db, you can also look at test_net_configs and start_test_net.sh to see how to manually write in the at tables + keys in a config file

mod6: Sounds good whaak. Will do just that. Cheers!

billymg: mod6: just saw this, unpeering before unkeying currently triggers this bug

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-07 19:38:27 billymg: thimbronion: found a bug in blatta. if you /unpeer with someone you have keyed it will crash inside get_keyed_peers() in lib/state.py because it iterates though the peer_ids in the keys table, but one will be missing from the list of peers

billymg: you don't have to nuke the whole db, just go into sqlite and delete the key for the user you just unpeered

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071632 << could be, does look like it's part of a series

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 11:35:41 whaack: asciilifeform: the cover looks like a book my mentor had me read during my internship at goolag, that book was called 'Clean Code' or something

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071636 << you may've been the 1st to actually test that knob

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 13:47:17 mod6: Over in #pest, just ran `/quote unpeer whaak` and was about to enter his updated key and AT info. but now, blatta won't even restart. Just keep getting this message over and over on start up: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pgIv

billymg: asciilifeform: 2nd, see http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-07#1071562

asciilifeform: a

billymg: asciilifeform: another message that may gotten lost, i found a simple fix for your spam trap positioning

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-07 15:27:46 billymg: asciilifeform: in my theme was one line that had to be moved to put the arithmetic test above the submit button, dunno how different our themes are though

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-07 12:16:25 asciilifeform: btw whaack billymg or other wp aficionados -- if you know how to make the puzzler appear ~above~ the 'submit' button, plox to write in

asciilifeform: billymg: neato, will need to put in my queue of things to try

billymg: have* gotten

mod6: < billymg> mod6: just saw this, unpeering before unkeying currently triggers this bug << ahh, ok good to know for the future. some of this may also be, at least partially, related to the fact that I had whaack's nick in there misspelled.

mod6: But, going forward, will remember.

mod6: < asciilifeform> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071636 << you may've been the 1st to actually test that knob << sure, ditto the same with whaack's nick.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-07#1071542 << good observations.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-07 18:04:47 signpost: perhaps one could claim that the religious rendering protects against any particular mortal claiming they are the embodiment of the ideal, but in practice that doesn't appear to have stopped anyone.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071630 << I read the whole book. it was surprisingly good for "enterprise" genre.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 10:26:38 asciilifeform: not read, if anyone has, plox to write in.

gregory5: I attribute this in a large part (sorry) to the author being Danish, not American.

gregory5: the book is aimed at intermediate enterprise-programmers. `asciilifeform` might not learn anything.

gregory5: the author was a former APL and Haskell programmer. before that, he was trained as an economist.

gregory5: "The most important notion of encapsulation is that an object should guarantee that it never reaches an invalid state."

gregory5: "The maintenance of a valid state is no longer the caller's responsibility... The better the guarantees which are given,"

gregory5: "the less defensive the code which the caller needs to write." this was an excellent quote from the book, slightly paraphrased.

gregory5: the author, like Naggum, also blames the rise of PCs in the 1990s for ruining software as a discipline.

verisimilitude: I find this amusing.

verisimilitude: No, that's the wrong article.

verisimilitude: I find this amusing.

verisimilitude: In brief, some JavaScript pro hipster dipshit is upset his code primarily useful to corporations is being used by them without any payment.

verisimilitude: This is a common thread with them.

verisimilitude: ``All of the layers below me don't matter. My JavaScript linter configuration file is what needs to be funded, damnit!''

verisimilitude: In the idiocy regarding this, auditing the code is never even mentioned as an option.

verisimilitude: It's a shame these people don't do anything important enough for their negligence to kill them.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071668 << this reads rather like, say, 'the most important aspect of designing a rifle is to guarantee that the bolt never flies backwards into the wielder's eye socket'

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:02:41 gregory5: "The most important notion of encapsulation is that an object should guarantee that it never reaches an invalid state."

asciilifeform: ... i.e. while not ~false~, is not particularly 'pithy' observation imho

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071678 << of course not. ( for folx who did not read the linked lul: story ended with microshit.shithub ~confiscating~ the repo and freezing in old version, the one w/out the infinite loop)

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:09:17 verisimilitude: In the idiocy regarding this, auditing the code is never even mentioned as an option.

asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071677 << reminiscent of that time mp frothed over nyt plagiarizing some ln from 1 of his articles

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:08:46 verisimilitude: ``All of the layers below me don't matter. My JavaScript linter configuration file is what needs to be funded, damnit!''

asciilifeform: for reference, asciilifeform's official position on subj.

dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 17:18:46 asciilifeform: the reality-based view is : 'intellectual property is what you keep to yourself.'

asciilifeform: ( concretely, in detail. )

dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 17:41:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'the law' in fact worx exclusively against you an' i , and in favour of microshit et al (and the occasional popescu, patent troll, etc.)

dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 17:41:57 asciilifeform: the sooner you grasp this, the sooner can avoid blowing mental cpu cycles on dead end train of though 'how can i humiliate microshit using magick strings in my src files'

dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 17:42:13 asciilifeform: there aint a suitable magick string. cuz it in fact is not how reich law worx.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071685 << I feel like Oliver Wendell Holmes would be proud.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:38:39 asciilifeform: i.e. in fact microshit confirmed the imho obvious state of affairs re ownership of shithub-hosted liquishit

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071683 << that is to say, collective experience is sovereign.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:37:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071678 << of course not. ( for folx who did not read the linked lul: story ended with microshit.shithub ~confiscating~ the repo and freezing in old version, the one w/out the infinite loop)

whaack: !e view-height

trbexplorer: block_height: 717949

whaack: !e view-txn 717949 1

trbexplorer: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QvZf 1 of 1

whaack: !e view-txn 717949 0

trbexplorer: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=HTq_ 1 of 1

whaack: !e view-txn 717948 0

trbexplorer: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Ncgf 1 of 1

whaack: !e view-block 717940

trbexplorer: height: 717940

trbexplorer: size: 301835

trbexplorer: version: 820436992

trbexplorer: prev_hash: 00000000000000000009b52f8c1b8b62cbde802225e503e2c7eee6034c94fc82

trbexplorer: hash: 00000000000000000004db4bd9bb5602ca45e49fc049ee4185f0caa84ca9d92e

trbexplorer: merkle_root: 236155f59d49d897a7c1d51a95b6d8c96ad72df021a3f3dfaba9a366d6325607

trbexplorer: timestamp: 1641774032

trbexplorer: target: 386632843

trbexplorer: nonce: 593490181

trbexplorer: num_txns: 962

whaack: billmg: your logger shows tabs as spaces, not sure this is something that necessarily should be fixed

whaack: asciilifeform: yours as well

verisimilitude: Oh say, I'd a persistent issue sending email, because Google burdens emails that pass through IPv6, and I couldn't figure out how to configure the email sender I used to prefer IPv4 universally. I solved the issue by figuring out how to disable IPv6 on the entire server.

whaack: asciilifeform: my test of "whats 3x9" has proved completely ineffective, i've gotten so much spam it's almost as if the bots have been encouraged by the challenge, maybe there's someway they are sidestepping the question entirely or they've actually scripted ways to detect and answer questions, or there is a large meatbot workshop

verisimilitude: He mentioned the FG question was a great help.

verisimilitude: Write a weird question like that, to go along with it.

asciilifeform: whaack: the seekrit seems to be straightforward: the meatbots use google & similar as 'answer machine'. you need at the minimum a puzzler that google won't answer automagically. +/-/*/div it answers (try it). which is why gotta have at least e.g. xor

verisimilitude: I'd never even considered that method.

asciilifeform: whaack: asciilifeform in fact observed several (less than half dozen) spams when used plain xor, however. hence added the fg riddle. after that went to zero and stayed there, since '18.

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: cuz you aint an 'indian coader' spamatronicist. they default to this method.

asciilifeform: the ones who have access to fresh proxies -- even script it, w/ ~no meat involvement req'd.

verisimilitude: Yes. It reminds me of other vile things I'd never considered.

verisimilitude: ``Finish eating, and then complain the waiter spit in the food to get it for free.''

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: exterminators gotta learn to think like rat on demand.

verisimilitude: Yes; how vile.

asciilifeform: rather. which is why you seldom can get anyone to do it gratis

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071719 << asciilifeform simply cut off ipv6ism in pfsense

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 20:29:25 verisimilitude: Oh say, I'd a persistent issue sending email, because Google burdens emails that pass through IPv6, and I couldn't figure out how to configure the email sender I used to prefer IPv4 universally. I solved the issue by figuring out how to disable IPv6 on the entire server.

asciilifeform: worx a+++

asciilifeform: when it dun route, things switch back to good o' ipv4

asciilifeform: (anyffin that hypothetically doesn't, you dun want on yer network to start with)

verisimilitude: I used this: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6

asciilifeform disabled ipv6 in rack, iirc, also, no complaints to date

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if done on router -- oughta solve

asciilifeform: most folx do have >1 box on their lan.

verisimilitude: This is for a rented server, and I don't know.

asciilifeform assumed whaack was discussing item on his desk, rather than a racked box

verisimilitude: I like seeing others complain about IPv4.

verisimilitude: ``What about the niggers and Indians who can't get an address?''

asciilifeform: well they aint phree

asciilifeform: see also.

asciilifeform: ipv6 -- 'phree', but rather like the free single-layer toilet paper in public shitters..

whaack: alright, i think i've updated my q to the point where it requires human sentence parsing

asciilifeform: whaack: asciilifeform remembers at least 1 ru forum from yrs ago where double integral puzzlers

asciilifeform: imho is a bit 'overboard'

verisimilitude: Enter it into Google to check, whaack.

verisimilitude: I've seen varieties where the challenge is ``Identify the anime girls who are actually dragons.'' and other silly things.

asciilifeform: the graphical shit breaks e.g. 'lynx' and imho braindamaged for that reason alone

asciilifeform: (not to mention that meatpuppets find it trivial)

verisimilitude: Sure, but it's worth mentioning.

asciilifeform considered item in the vein of (car (cdr (car '(1 2 3')))) but decided against

whaack: If x^2 + 6 = 95, then what is the result of x!, when x is the positive solution to the previous equation ? (Note that ! refers to factorial, 3! = 3*2*1, 4! = 4*3*2*1, etc, so 5! = 120.)

asciilifeform broken example but general idea is clear

whaack: ^ above is the q, ver batim

verisimilitude: Am I silly, or does x^2 + 6 = 95 not have an integer solution?

whaack: i'm tired..thanks lol

verisimilitude: I'm relieved. I was concerned I was stupid.

whaack: nah, just me lol

whaack: If x^2 + 6 = 87, then what is the result of x!, when x is the positive solution to the previous equation ? (Note that ! refers to factorial, 3! = 3*2*1, 4! = 4*3*2*1, etc, so 5! = 120.)

asciilifeform: anuther, i suspect, good puzzler, is to show an integer from 0 to 2**32 and ask 'how many bits wide'

asciilifeform: just about erryone who has any biz touching comp can do this in <2s in his head

asciilifeform: but meatbots won't

whaack: my thought is that i want to keep the door open to anyone thinking, and while anyone could figure out that question, someone never introduced to any decent math/cs course will have to go searching around to figure out how to answer that q

verisimilitude: If I ever need anything similar, I may use a fill in the blank puzzle: ``I exude _.''

asciilifeform quite satisfied with his current puzzler scheme and has no intention of changing it any time soon

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071671 << imho this is a serious misconception (and misreading of the pertinent naggumism as well)

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 18:05:42 gregory5: the author, like Naggum, also blames the rise of PCs in the 1990s for ruining software as a discipline.

asciilifeform: for 1 thing, 'rise of pc' took place in the '80s

asciilifeform: which in fact was a golden age for the subject

asciilifeform: what happened in '90s was the aggressive pushing of (microshitized) pc onto a plebemarket largely 'biologically' disinterested in the subj

asciilifeform: ( and onto the 'biznis' idjit sphere, with the consequent 'lots and lots of people to perform menial tasks by mouse instead of by lever' )

asciilifeform: i.e. what (started to) take place in '90s was the ~fall~ of the pc, rather than rise

asciilifeform goes back to search for '4k' display-over-fiber cables that actually work, to run through the 25m conduit he had built on sat.

verisimilitude: I like how part of ``the lesson'' from the JavaScript nonsense is that individual programmers shouldn't be trusted, and a group should be required for random code to be ``trustworthy''.

vex: sounds like the new digs is getting wired up seriously.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071774 << sorry I meant 1980s.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:04:49 asciilifeform: for 1 thing, 'rise of pc' took place in the '80s

gregory5: however, the early 1990s saw the development of the GUI of Windows.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071776 << yep, from the enthusiasts to general professionals.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:06:05 asciilifeform: what happened in '90s was the aggressive pushing of (microshitized) pc onto a plebemarket largely 'biologically' disinterested in the subj

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071780 << the use of GitHub as a file-system for automatic updates struck me as a very poor idea when people first started adopting it.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:26:46 verisimilitude: I like how part of ``the lesson'' from the JavaScript nonsense is that individual programmers shouldn't be trusted, and a group should be required for random code to be ``trustworthy''.

gregory5: it has been seven years or so, and people still haven't learned.

verisimilitude: That's an odd use of the word ``people''.

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071790 << are you opposed to the impersonal use of the word "people" (which is well established) or do you regard less intelligent beings as not qualifying as "people?"

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:56:30 verisimilitude: That's an odd use of the word ``people''.

verisimilitude: It's the latter.

verisimilitude: More spiritually, there are billions of ``people'', but not billions of souls.

gregory5: verisimilitude: you remind me of this article: http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/

gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-09#1071794 << Curtis Yarvin in one of his early essays blamed the ancient idea of "one person, one soul" for sowing the seeds of the later Communist revolutions.

dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:59:33 verisimilitude: More spiritually, there are billions of ``people'', but not billions of souls.

vex: is intelligence the opposite of stupidity?

verisimilitude: Perhaps it's.

vex: by verms def, the soulless are stupid. my def of intelligence is adaptability.

vex: i think of souls as an old religious terminilogy

verisimilitude: As do I.

verisimilitude: This is from this article:

verisimilitude: I'm perfectly fine with that idea humans hold souls, so long as it be acknowledged others lack them.

vex: thought process broke my pc

vex: I embrace stupidity. The concept of a soul is'nt in my working venacular

dpb: according to the Bible, soul is blood

verisimilitude: I've seen plenty of retards bleed.

vex: you can lose it dan?

dpb: i don't know

vex: does not your soul go on forever in your church?

dpb: Mark 8:36

dpb: For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?

verisimilitude: The world, clearly.

dpb: this world is passing away, and it is vanity

verisimilitude: Yes.

vex: I'm pretty sure the bible says it's not a good idea to spill somones soul all over the floor right?

vex: well, the blod anyway

dpb: where does it say that

vex: I thought there was a bit that said `thou shal not murder' or somesuch, dunno, never actualy parsed the whole thing

vex: you know verisimilitude, obviously, that calling retards soulless would be an upopular opinion amongst a wide consensus

vex: Igaf personally; I like hearing opnions

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