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dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-24 12:12:59 hapax: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-23#1033976 << jonsykkel's smalpest, my peststation is pythonless, so the only alternative would be to write my own
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-24 12:13:35 hapax: i find it quite satisfying though, it's so small it integrates well with my system (when it comes to privileges, directories, running, logging, etc.), can be compiled with gcc-4.9.4 and linked statically against musl without any problems, and the source is well organized and readable
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I am using my own Java implementation.
siemstress[asciilifeform]: YOUR MESSGE HERE
siemstress[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: Lately I have been reading through your blog posts in chronological order and I've learnt a lot from them.
siemstress[asciilifeform]: I have spent the last two years studying for the OSCP certificate for penetration testing, but with limited results
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: siemstress: The cyber-security industry is quite prominent in Singapore, is it not?
siemstress[asciilifeform]: Penetration testing has been hyped up and glamorised by local grifters haha
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: Earlier I showed "siemstress" that article of yours titled On the Matter of Brian Krebs.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: Are you familiar with the OSCP, OSEP, and OSED certifications?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Last year someone asked me what I thought about his plan to enter the cyber-security industry.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I responded that it seemed to me that small number of people who discovered zero-day exploitations were the only ones worth hiring.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: The other 95 percent or more of personnel seemed to be products of job-creation. I would be glad to hear what others in this channel think.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: EDIT. "the small number of people"
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-24 12:01:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-23#1033433 << 'we need', but dun hold breath, it not likely to happen
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: who is siemstress?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I see you're coming through jonseks station, are you a friend?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: My peering config is borked so I wouldn't know who's peered with who at the moment
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: something something nat bweeh
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-19#1033901 << real interesting, I have first hand experience with GWM vehicles, can confirm that the australian imports are hot garbage
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-19 05:04:06 phf: they are getting a lot of chinese imports, cars, phones, i dunno luggage, and it's not the trash americans are getting, but chinese internal market quality items close or at their original sale price. gave me some view into what chinese internal market must be like, and it's really fucking impressive
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: the really interesting thing is they can't seem to make soft rubber
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: cv boots, seals, etc are all truly rubbish
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: but on the other hand you can get cheap tyres from them
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: the design of all the global market stuff is no better than any other name brand crap
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: it just all seems to scale back down to materials
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 04:34:11 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: who is siemstress?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034012 << I am connected to "asciilifeform" through "jonsykkel," and she is connected through me.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 05:00:04 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I see you're coming through jonseks station, are you a friend?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: remind me where you're from again gregor? hk?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: ah so you're not actually peered directly with stani
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I tried setting up a peering with him a couple times but yeah my nat config is throwing his packets
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: somehow i have a window to the world through jonsek but no-one else
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 05:07:50 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: remind me where you're from again gregor? hk?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034029 << The C implementation of "jonsykkel" works very well.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 05:09:19 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: somehow i have a window to the world through jonsek but no-one else
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: well what's your take on the chinese internal market? surely you'd have some kind of insight as to the actual state of affairs?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: i didn't realise jonsek was written in C, I thought he exists as a pure expression of machine code... :P
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034035 << Chinese manufacturing has been strong. Prices have been driven down in order to reach domestic customers in lower-income areas.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 05:10:58 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: well what's your take on the chinese internal market? surely you'd have some kind of insight as to the actual state of affairs?
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: This has resulted in a wave of cheap appliances. You can buy a good vacuum-cleaner or portable oven for 35 USD.
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: my pestron sux guys (altho to be expected imo since it is first iteration)
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: and c99 isnt rely suited for most of wat a pestron consists of
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: i think ok aproch to writing batlefild pestron would be if most logics were done in cl and then u ffi into a tiny libliquishit.a that handles all cryptogiraffics and shovels black pakets from udp pipe in multi threads
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: id prefribly write lib in asebly but acording 2 logs theres problem with sokets
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2020-07-26 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 0 chance of portability on unixlikes w/out the c bindings, cuz the built-in structs actually vary in size & layout b/w not only irons (endianism etc) but even particular os
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: maybe u have some thoughts about that ascii life form
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: well ideally you'd bypass liquidshit and pump your packets to a mystical black box in the form of ice-40 etc
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: as stani mentioned earlier, interest in building much more for the pest network in it's current state is non-existent at best
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: i'm not suggesting as if I have any ideas, I'm currently trying to consign myself to an edukayshun institution because I've got nfi how to proceed
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I don't have any of the skills to do diddly squat and I haven't got the capacity to self motivate at this juncture
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: if anyone here has any better ideas than student debt and the promise of a slip of paper, I'm all ears
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I stopped working for a few months at the end of august last year in a crude attempt to self-motivate
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: got absolutely nowhere
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: even taking up the consideration that something is severely fucked in my neurochemistry
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: as far as i can tel any existing slip of paper issuing instiution in world has 0 or probably negative impact on skillz
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: given they are systems that encourage and select for obedience, tunel vision and other monky behaviors
jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: while punishing thinking and creating
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034055 << The purpose of education was never to reward intelligence directly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 06:14:29 jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: given they are systems that encourage and select for obedience, tunel vision and other monky behaviors
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Likewise, universities were not meant to function as career-schools as they do today.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: I have long wondered what a "computing guild" would have looked like, not that such an institution would be free of corruption itself.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034042 << This implementation-pattern was well established within the Tcl community.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 05:46:29 jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: i think ok aproch to writing batlefild pestron would be if most logics were done in cl and then u ffi into a tiny libliquishit.a that handles all cryptogiraffics and shovels black pakets from udp pipe in multi threads
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: That is, one writes an .so file with the basic functions, and then writes the routines using Tcl, connecting the two using FFI.
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) That’s how I implemented Akris - used portions of smalpest for the .so.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034064 << I have not yet used Akris. Does it start two processes, one for the GUI and the other for the data-processing?
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 08:13:19 discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) That’s how I implemented Akris - used portions of smalpest for the .so.
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Yes. They communicate via sockets.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033451 << it aint an 'industry' in the 19-20th c. sense of the word. 100% of 'cybersekooriti' shops live on a) usg grantolade b) 'investors' aka money printer go brr. the actual technical labour is theatrical.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2024-06-25 03:38:45 gregorynyssa[billymg]: The other 95 percent or more of personnel seemed to be products of job-creation. I would be glad to hear what others in this channel think.
asciilifeform: if you try to run such a 'biz' as if it were an actual biz, e.g. roadside sandwich shop, you will lose shirt
asciilifeform: nobody afaik anywhere discusses this. largely because discussing this fact moar or less disqualifies you from participating
asciilifeform: 'security' aint a business, naive folx who propose (or even attempt to market) actual, honest, permanent solutions to the problems this 'industry' supposedly addresses -- very quickly go broke
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-12-02 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-02#1025708 << it aint about incompetence. e.g. tagged memory architectures existed in 1970s. instead, it's about this. there is 0 systemic incentive to release products which work 'now and forever' and require 0 'upgrades', 'mitigations', etc.
asciilifeform: it moar closely resembles e.g. the vendors who supplied the scaled down triremes etc. to roman emperor titus , who staged gladiatorial naval battles in flooded colosseum
asciilifeform: i.e. the only pertinent items, in order of importance: 1) proximity to money printer 2) visual quality of theatrical props 3) -- dead last -- performance at the nominal task
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 12:12:30 asciilifeform: nobody afaik anywhere discusses this. largely because discussing this fact moar or less disqualifies you from participating
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: The Overton Window of modern society is highly constrained.
asciilifeform: hmm loox like 1 line is in my logger but not bitdash one
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 12:54:03 gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034071 << That is a remarkable phenomenon.
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i'ma give concrete example. after 'virustotal' was bought by the moneyprinter folx for $b, asciilifeform + coupla other d00dz opened a shop where baked malware analyzer on custom hardware, i.e. not detectable from the inside (vt's was trivially detectable), supported dissection of e.g. fw & gpu diddlers, etc
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing where this went.
asciilifeform: we didn't have an 'in' into usg/tbtf circles, consequently no '$b valuations', nuffin but... the product
asciilifeform: which, as it happens, aint needed anywhere.
asciilifeform: cuz it aint, in pseudoindustries, ever, at any pt, 'about the product'.
asciilifeform: is ~always, w/out exception, about -- the pedigree
asciilifeform: didn't help that our fuhrer (naive -- but with a bit of dough -- immigrant) spent $maxint on a (lol) patent
asciilifeform: but even w/out this, result in retrospect was quite predictable imho
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033495 << a) 'credential inflation'(tm) b) generally you can't get a ~zero-interest loan from bank simply to sit sadly in bed, but ~can~ to 'attend university'. hence over90000 'students' with not even necessarily delusions of employability, simply 'warehoused'
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2024-06-25 08:02:22 gregorynyssa[billymg]: Likewise, universities were not meant to function as career-schools as they do today.
asciilifeform: they go in for 2nd, 3rd, nth diplomas, too
asciilifeform lives in a 'college town', sees this with naked eye erryday
asciilifeform: good % of (the males, at least) are really simply paying to be somewhere where they (think) can get fuck
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033487 << the paper -- unless yer specifically aiming to work in usg bureaucracy -- can be 100% guaranteed to do precisely 0
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2024-06-25 06:03:26 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel]: if anyone here has any better ideas than student debt and the promise of a slip of paper, I'm all ears
asciilifeform: (and in the bureaucracy, aint any kinda guarantee of employability, is simply ~minimal bar)
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033490 << imho if yer meat is saying to you that you're wasting yer time, it is likely right
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2024-06-25 06:05:18 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel]: even taking up the consideration that something is severely fucked in my neurochemistry
asciilifeform: the meat's 'sense of frustration' is equally important a function of healthy meat as sense of pain when touching a flame
billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033510 << weird, i see it in my terminal as well. possibly stuck and will get shaken loose after this message
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2024-06-25 14:22:16 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|billymg]: hmm loox like 1 line is in my logger but not bitdash one
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 12:54:03 gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034071 << That is a remarkable phenomenon.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034097 << I think I failed to convey what I'm actually asking here
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 14:39:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033490 << imho if yer meat is saying to you that you're wasting yer time, it is likely right
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: Stating the obvious doesn't really constitute as an answer. What I'm asking for is alternatives
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) What is your goal?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: to learn the content of an equiv. degree in electrical engineering and then some
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Ah ok. I have no experience with that.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I just have some kind of mental barrier to actually *doing* valuable learning exercise
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: That's alright jonsek
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: generally I'd presume the process for learning anything would be the same independent of field
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Well, other than building a z80 based computer. Kindergarten stuff though.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: Well jonsek, have you considered that maybe I really am just at the "kindergarten" level, at least if that's how you see it, then sure.
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) This is awt btw
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I'm not sure how I failed to pick up on that
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) I would suggest starting with something very simple, like getting a bread board, chip, and oscilloscope, and supplying it with power.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: sure I've got all that stuff right here with the exception of an oscilloscope
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) I guess in that case you can get some LEDs to test the output.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: I'd have to order them, I've got chips configurable from a higher level, dirty arduino, couple spi peripherals
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Order a bunch. I burned several figuring out resistors.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: is it best to have an oscilloscope as a voltage source?
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: does the capacity to learn ultimately come down to the desire?
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Oscilloscope comes in handy when debugging frequency related issues, among other things. For the voltage source you need a transformer if you want to use wall power.
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Desire or motivation.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: a transformer, as in just a proper variable power supply
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: well sure being held a gunpoint is a pretty good motivator, but in the case of self-motivation pointing a gun at yourself isn't going to achieve a hell of a lot. so i'd say desire
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) Panic can achieve a great deal
discord_bridge[asciilifeform]: (awtho) You can build your own power supply easily. Or yes you can buy one.
crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: well I guess all you're doing is really just dropping wall voltage and putting in low-current circuit protection
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034081 << By what means was this device connected to the computer? Did it use PCI Express?
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 14:23:38 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i'ma give concrete example. after 'virustotal' was bought by the moneyprinter folx for $b, asciilifeform + coupla other d00dz opened a shop where baked malware analyzer on custom hardware, i.e. not detectable from the inside (vt's was trivially detectable), supported dissection of e.g. fw & gpu diddlers, etc
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034092 << I had not realized that you chose to settle next to your college in Maryland.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 14:34:45 asciilifeform: lives in a 'college town', sees this with naked eye erryday
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: At one point when I was in college, I was planning just to settle nearby as well.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-02#1025717 << Has any more research been done regarding why (assuming that a mechanical or doctrinal reason existed) the USA and USSR went through a decline in engineering around the same time?
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2020-12-02 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-02#1025708 << it aint about incompetence. e.g. tagged memory architectures existed in 1970s. instead, it's about this. there is 0 systemic incentive to release products which work 'now and forever' and require 0 'upgrades', 'mitigations', etc.
gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2024-06-25#1034097 << Not just the flesh but more importantly the conscience, ie. the soul.
dulapbot: Logged on 2024-06-25 14:39:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2024-06-25#1033490 << imho if yer meat is saying to you that you're wasting yer time, it is likely right
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