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thestringpuller: ruby is the most exhausting language i know
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034946 << bush, rockefeller, etc. dynasties afaik best-known examples. the rest -- 'don't know, they'd have had to kill me if i did'
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 12:46:30 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-02#1032666 << any evidence of this? I was researching a similar subject, so I find this fascinating.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034951 << supposing one buys into this cosmography -- arguably that fight already took place. guess who lost.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 12:55:47 gregorynyssa: as "Neo Saxons" they deserve the right, like every other ethnicity, to fight for their survival and collective interests, etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034952 << and hindus had the numeric majority in british india; polacks in ww2 poland; etc. doesn't make a lick of diff.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 13:00:48 gregorynyssa: unlike the Boers, the "Neo Saxons" of America still have the plurality/majority of population, and, in many states, clear majority.
asciilifeform: ... and not only are these 'boers' not represented 'where it counts', but happily enlist as polizei, to fight against their fellows.
snsabot: (trilema) 2015-09-03 ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034965 << lolwat? am i simply not on the correct drugs, to see from this pov, where 'stronger' ? what'd that even look like, considering that we're talking about vacillating 'sausage dissidents' who mutually agree on ~nothing at all ?
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 14:59:06 gregorynyssa: do you think Alt Right is dying? I think it is getting stronger.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034974 << tried to have reichstag fire, but no one could find a match that'd light..?
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 15:29:32 trinque: gregorynyssa: taking the capitol riots as an example, that's evidence, if anything, of the severe decline of the US, not the strength of anything else.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034976 << worse; the popular pov seems to be 'doing? that's a 20th c thing, these days only need good pr'
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 15:33:00 trinque: strikes me as the armchair hopes that someone else, somewhere, is doing something, rather than oneself.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034985 << pliant plebes -- obsessed. the puppet masters who engineered this zombification scheme -- cackle.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 15:54:08 shinohai: Re: this thread, I personally think nation that is obsessed with race/gender identity et all is sure sign of empire in sharp decline.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-22 14:00:13 asciilifeform: 'let'em fight an imaginary race war in forum comments, maybe won't notice their savings evaporating' etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034992 << rich ameri-tradition of demagogues raking in the book royalties, chump donations, as they laff all the way to the bank while their 'parishioners' clubbed by capitol police, od on meth in despair, etc
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 15:58:17 gregorynyssa: So has Vox Day, Richard Spencer, Jordan Peterson.
shinohai: But I got an iron cross badge in my forum profile for services to the Reich....
asciilifeform: ...with oak leaves!1!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034998 << gone how ? will be replaced with ~identical-looking heirs, as they always are.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:01:18 gregorynyssa: but in another decade, they will be gone.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035001 << lol!! canhaz moar detail ? ( asciilifeform doesn't follow the 'resistance through culture' types in realtime)
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:03:04 trinque: take peterson, almost killed himself with anxiety meds.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035006 << entirely christian (of the puritan flavour). simply, 'snake shed his legs', jettisonned all the superfluous bits. 'poenitentiam agite' coming outta erry pore, but w/out the posthumous redemptions, trinities, etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:05:16 gregorynyssa: I think it is worth noting that SJW thought is itself based on a body of assumptions which are not quite Christian, and not quite Atheist.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035017 << it's a sham-squared, no such 'return' is taking place, even in redditard-fantasy variant
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:09:02 trinque: the alt-right return to "traditional thought" - as they perceive it - is itself cargo-cultism for w/e made grandfather less afraid than grandson
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035022 << mno, more typically 'hey i read 2 or 3 of yarvin's carlyle blockquotes'
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:12:09 gregorynyssa: I noticed a distrubing trend that when people say they value "Western traditional thought" without qualification, they basically just mean that they are huge fans of Thomas Carlyle.
asciilifeform: next time you see 1 of these folx, ask him to name just 1 pre-ww2 b00k he had read cover to cover in recent month. listen to 'sound of silence'
shinohai: asciilifeform: If you ask that, they might start naming off Dr. Seuss ......
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035027 << if one 'suspended disbelief' and think this is 'fixable bug' -- 1st step is to realize that it won't be fixed by monolingual shaved monkeys
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:15:49 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035023 << Carroll Quigley and Oswald Spengler both argued that Western civilization excludes Classical. it started with the Dark Ages, and merely appropriated Classical elements on a superficial level.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:25:38 trinque: I would like to meet the person for whom YHWH has not fallen silent.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035038 << it's a beautiful crackpottery, but i'm not aware of anything resembling objective evidence in its favour
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:24:52 trinque: proponent of the bicameral hypothesis of mind. for the purposes of this thread, I'm only interested in making reference to there being evidence of mental operating systems preceding atomic ego-self
asciilifeform read, like erryone else, 'snow crash'. enjoyed. but it's a work of fiction..
trinque: good afternoon asciilifeform
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:39:03 gregorynyssa: now, 1960s - leftward swing of Hippie movement is IMO just tip of iceberg.
asciilifeform: wb trinque !
trinque: arguably the heidegger I reference is the better source of the notion
asciilifeform: trinque: funnily enuff, a current client recently mailed me a crate of bicameralism-themed b00kz. haven't received yet, but will read.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035057 << organized sabotage of entire ~concept~ of thinking. ( that is, in the 'civilized world'. but echoed even in orcistan. )
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:40:24 gregorynyssa: Carroll Quigley and Leonard Shlain both support the idea that around 1960s there were fundamental changes in way of thinking.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035071 << atomization is #1 priority of the lizards. atomized 'individualists' will borrow at 33% from bank, instead of 0% from uncle; will summon gestapo instead of resolving differences inside group; will swallow whatever suicidal nonsense is served up by $goebbels
asciilifeform: grr, that regex bug. link ftr.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:51:39 trinque: this trend continues to the atomization of today
trinque: I don't buy Jaynes' "too beautiful" hypothesis, just the evidence he provides is interesting by itself.
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, it certainly merits a spot in my 'crackpotteries collection' cabinet.
verisimilitude: I find trannies the most atomized today.
trinque: what one can't verbalize one can't know, including oneself
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: artifically crafted dependence-chimeras.
trinque: I suspect microplastics aren't helping.
trinque: testosterone is plummeting to the degree that it may impact fertility soon
verisimilitude: This is why governmental and corporate bodies support them; they get loyalty from these alienated people.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect natural variation + ideological contagion (see below...) may suffice to account
asciilifeform: trinque: in ru, we had a castration cult that resisted extermination for ~400+yrs
trinque: yeah, many things conspire to produce human behavior in all cases
verisimilitude: Some call them trannisaries now.
asciilifeform: at first 'send'em to monasteries' -- infected monasteries. 'send'em to army' -- infected army..
trinque: "life uh, finds a way" to remove men from the game.
asciilifeform: trinque: imho moar interesting. the skoptzy (folx in question; old slavic term for autocastrators) were following an internally consistent, if undocumented, logic
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:25:38 trinque: I would like to meet the person for whom YHWH has not fallen silent.
asciilifeform: losing yer balls at the time got you out of all kinds of -ev games
trinque: aaa this makes sense
asciilifeform: it was sumthing like what 'self-choppers' in the gulag (dynamite in yer boot, bang, no longer have to fell trees or mine uranium)
asciilifeform: a kind of 'suicide-lite'
trinque: this fits well with the above thread. these have broken models of self
trinque: aha
trinque: preserving what incomplete self they can model
trinque: verisimilitude: tbh I would accept terry davis as exactly a "real believer"
trinque: heard the voice of god as real as any saint
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 19:03:36 verisimilitude: I discuss it in the final paragraph here.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035076 << sadly have used many more exhausting -- and for far less gain -- atrocities. but would prefer not to ruin appetite of readers..
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-01 23:27:58 verisimilitude: Ada is the most exhausting programming language I know.
verisimilitude: Ada is the most exhausting, because it requires the most thought of me.
verisimilitude: It exposes where I've given insufficient thought, as it did yesterday.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: that's the good kind of exhausting.
asciilifeform: the effort, imho, aint wasted, even if you end up throwing the proggy away.
verisimilitude: I agree, and the Ada versions of my programs, so far just SHA, are the best.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: often enuff you will find that properly grasping what yer doing (as ada encourages) leads you to realize that you were solving entirely wrong problem to begin with.
verisimilitude: Still, Ada and all others represent a model I yearn to move beyond.
verisimilitude: I've plenty of discarded Ada code, yes.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you read asciilifeform's adaisms will find that asciilifeform's variant of 'move beyond' was rather 'in' than 'out'. i.e. 'the better ada is a strict subset of standard one'
verisimilitude: I mean to move beyond programming languages, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: many possible meanings here. elaborate?
verisimilitude: My machine code tool was just an early step towards this.
verisimilitude: I don't want to program using character streams.
asciilifeform bbl:meat
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035078 << Bush Jr distanced himself from his New England heritage, identified with the South, and converted to Southern-centric denomination. Jeb Bush married a Hispanic Catholic.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:21:16 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034946 << bush, rockefeller, etc. dynasties afaik best-known examples. the rest -- 'don't know, they'd have had to kill me if i did'
gregorynyssa: not saying you are wrong. wealth + influence are indeed being passed down. but in this case, the Yankee (ie. WASP) heritage is not.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035099 << I don't think so, becaused "SJW thought is itself based on a body of assumptions which are not quite Christian, and not quite Atheist."
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:42:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034998 << gone how ? will be replaced with ~identical-looking heirs, as they always are.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:48:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035022 << mno, more typically 'hey i read 2 or 3 of yarvin's carlyle blockquotes'
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035119 << I agree. the student movement had handlers sent by the wealthy.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:54:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035054 << sham, capital controlled-left.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:59:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035071 << atomization is #1 priority of the lizards. atomized 'individualists' will borrow at 33% from bank, instead of 0% from uncle; will summon gestapo instead of resolving differences inside group; will swallow whatever suicidal nonsense is served up by $goebbels
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035174 << what sparked my curiosity was your suggestion (maybe I misinterpreted) that there might be a secret community of very pure Yankees at the top of society.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 18:18:42 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035078 << Bush Jr distanced himself from his New England heritage, identified with the South, and converted to Southern-centric denomination. Jeb Bush married a Hispanic Catholic.
gregorynyssa: given lack of Yankees on Supreme Court and other visible positions of authority (incl. academia) the possibility of this pure Yankee community secretly existing would be entertaining.
thimbronion: Supreme court has abdicated afaics.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035103 << that is Yarvin's narrative, but it has many holes.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-02 14:46:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035006 << entirely christian (of the puritan flavour). simply, 'snake shed his legs', jettisonned all the superfluous bits. 'poenitentiam agite' coming outta erry pore, but w/out the posthumous redemptions, trinities, etc.
gregorynyssa: he gets his religious history wrong in many places, such as his reference to the Munster Rebellion, and confusion of Quakerism with Mainline Protestantism.
gregorynyssa: Puritans were morally conservative. opposed contraception, etc. they accepted differences in wealth and ability.
gregorynyssa: they believed in mind/body separation, unlike Hippies with their psychedelics and flirtation with Buddhism/Hinduism.
gregorynyssa: they engaged in the shaming of adulterers. they burned witches.
gregorynyssa: they believed in Creationism. they would abhor modern psychology/psychiatry b/c of its Behavioralist and Darwinist underpinnings.
gregorynyssa: when you subtract all of these "superfluous bits" what is left?
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