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(pest) signpost[asciilifeform]: say the reich's playing a game of who crumbles first, and capitulates into USD.
(pest) signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-06-03#1006234 << the most entertaining (because I'm demented) future imho is the one where other reich-aligned fiats implode, absorbing some of the last few years' printola.
(pest) asciilifeform: afaik this transition already happening for many yrs, and about as orderly as anyffin in reich
(pest) asciilifeform: reich would in fact be ~richer~ if the folx 'employed' to stamp out this shite were instead collecting 'ubi' and smoking opium
(pest) asciilifeform: good % of nominal reich economy consists of these idiocies
(pest) asciilifeform: in east, good % of 'economy' is ultimately powered by reich contracts with terms measured in decades
(pest) asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-06-02#1006166 << to date, 100% of 'chaos in streets' in reich was of the controlled variety
(pest) asciilifeform: reich banks already de-facto nationalized in '08 episode
(pest) billymg: asciilifeform: doesn't it currently work the other way around? eureich wanting to tax california companies because "give us some of that internet money"
(pest) asciilifeform: will be interesting when they decree that e.g. frenchmen owe californistan tax 'because walked by a crapple store and partook of the glory of californireich' or the like
(pest) asciilifeform: reich often enuff pantomimes 'suppress' constructively. e.g. the '17--present 'encryption wank' (concerning wholly faux cryptosystems) to encourage use of various 'coloured phones' ; or the play-pretend 'war on dope' etc
(pest) awt[asciilifeform|billymg]: asciilifeform: in that case, the more it's suppressed in the reich, more evidence it's not compromised.
(pest) asciilifeform: ... on top of this, most btc, from pov of ru/cn, is in hands of foreign devils, and so often enuff seen there as 'instrument of reich'
(pest) asciilifeform: billymg: near as can tell, they closely resemble the anglo reich in addiction to printing press and 'monetary policy'
(pest) asciilifeform: would hasten to add tho, that what folx are jailed for in the reich aint contrabandism per se, but 'being rich without a license'. if yer conspicuously loaded and it was simply because found buried treasure, some article in penal code will be found for you.
(pest) asciilifeform: from one pov, is a hilarious twist on the usg newspeak 'know yer customer'. if you ~actually~ 'know yer customer`, yer moar or less impenetrable to reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( and see also the current reich's 'thinkers must not do!' variant. )
(pest) bitbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-03-24 asciilifeform: the # of 'unbelievers' is unknown, cuz reich aint set up in such a way that the captives' beliefs actually matter in any way
(pest) asciilifeform: even before end of ww2, was rather obv. that totalitarian reichs will colonize all of planet3, for objective techno-economic reasons
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-29#1104132 << fwiw asciilifeform used to (before ukrowank killed postal service b/w ru and reich) order b00x (incl. 'new old stock' obscure sov-era technical lit ) from 'ozon', and often enuff get'em within week, somehow. for next to nuffin.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: if a scum knifes, shoots, an actual person, beat cop will fill out a form and fughet about it; if reverse -- manhunt, 'trayvon'(tm), media circus, show trials. because, elementarily, crime against the reich per se, its monopoly.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo had a similar misadventure back in reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: asciilifeform's upstack observation is that 'postalist', like last decade's 'terrorist' or 19th c 'anarchist' figure in fact serves, whether wants to or not, and is cultivated by, the reich. when machinegun costs 100k for whitebread aficionado, mr.lipstick will still find one, gestapo will give him a working and freshly oiled one. because how else make the sheep bleat 'plz neuter us', how else justify a $trillion poli
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: is why their relative scales differ in diff. parts of reich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich however also has an interest in occasionally terrorizing inhabitants of 'green zones'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: we already have authoritarian reich, the above is a feature of advanced model of same.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: so as 'burghers' flee from where reich is weak to where strong.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: is mistake to suppose that center wants order in ~entire~ reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: deliberately cultured unofficial enforcers of 'high class real estate' prices (i.e. out of blast radius) and other reich programmes.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: from 'actuarial' pov, an immortal living in a magically unchanged current-day reich would be killed by e.g. police a dozen times before ever by 'postal'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-19#1102980 << basics -- 100% fact afaik, and well-known errywhere outside of angloreich
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 14:44:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: all reichs are '1000 yr' until not.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: hence asciilifeform's predilection for 'unsexy' names. 'pest', not 'reich remover', etc
(asciilifeform) phf: i'm talking specifically about "out of reach of reich"
(asciilifeform) phf: "out of reach of reich!"
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-09 13:14:02 asciilifeform: reich succeeded in jacking up btc-usd rate by flooding goxmarket w/ papercoin; after which exchrate stiffly correlated with all other reich paper.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101831 << this is interesting to think about again in light of recent years , where reich succeeded quite well at preventing 'to the moon'(tm)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ... but is precisely how it worx in the current reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: imho hilarious just how easy it is to spot reich assets -- the folx who echo $partyline entirely in unison, on whatever topic of the day, have seemingly bottomless bags of dough despite doing 0 actual biz, etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: whaack: recall how reich activated just about erry single asset in the 'tech' blabbersphere to parrot the 'wright is shitoshi!' thing
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-09 17:41:56 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100745 << may encourage verisimilitude to realize that it aint in fact run 'with money'. oligarchs aint oligarchs 'because have money', they are simply deputies of the reich (typically, tho not always, 'titled nobility') to whom freshly-printed dough is simply issued
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-09#1100745 << may encourage verisimilitude to realize that it aint in fact run 'with money'. oligarchs aint oligarchs 'because have money', they are simply deputies of the reich (typically, tho not always, 'titled nobility') to whom freshly-printed dough is simply issued
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-17 12:16:58 asciilifeform: billymg: reichs recur historically with regularity, and the moar centralizing the tech stack at the time, the bigger the reich -- and its eventual crater. imho entirely defensible statement of fact.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: billymg: it's a ratchet, in reich has only ever went up
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich succeeded in jacking up btc-usd rate by flooding goxmarket w/ papercoin; after which exchrate stiffly correlated with all other reich paper.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: this wk's dip has 0 to do w/ halving afaik. but rather with the sinking of reich paperola (reich interest rate increase)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099092 << recall how and why the 'cash mexicans', who perhaps 90% of the 'asphalt and bricks' physical economy of reich, live ~entirely w/out tax. and largely unmolested. (not to be confused with 'tax protesters', however; i.e. idjit office plankton who try to weasel outta paying [http://logs.nosu
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 14:19:31 asciilifeform: is half of why reich even tolerates goxes -- to put brakes on the development of proper wotronic trade.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich.
(asciilifeform) bitbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 01:45:54 asciilifeform: i.e. fulfilling reich dictat re damping the exchrate and disrupting organic hawala network formation.
(asciilifeform) billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099045 << the only thing with bitcoin that the reich works harder to suppress than the exchange rate is the emergence of true p2p markets
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregory2: observe that pestronics neither promise nor deliver on what asciilifeform suspects was primary appeal of urbitism, 'hey, wanna be a little fuhrer? a gauleiter in our reich? have some serfs under yer boot?' which is 1 reason why you won't be reading about pest on yc, nyt, shitcoin-magazine.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 13:02:09 asciilifeform: in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: d00d knows full well who actually runs the reich.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in particular, mr.mold's cosmography, where somehow reich is run by bureaucrats, and the thiels etc. are somehow rebelling and worthy of support, 'steve jobs zombie for fuhrer!', is imho laughably mendacious.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-06-02 asciilifeform: ( mr. mold advocated for 'patchwork states', which were -- best as anyone could tell -- a miraculous resurrection of 16th c. italian provinces, somehow balanced in mutual non-nukeability . but in 'urbit' he implemented a reich, with central control and total dependence on the 'palace' )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregory2: 'solved' by imposing yet-another centralized structure, quite like the reich.dns nonsense
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-24 12:26:27 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-24#1098630 << what's eureich-protestantism like these days ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( try sending from own hosted smtp box to just about anywhere in reich )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: shinohai: through asciilifeform's telescope loox moar like they got call from reich, 'hey yer pushing up exch rate, wtf'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform recalls kilometres of log where laboured to convince him that yes, reich is an organized entity, yes, organized subversion of software, of cryptography, of bitcoin, etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform fwiw does not believe that such thing possible in context of current reich , and all claims to the contrary -- believes to be cynically fraudulent
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, the major problem in il is the 'soft gloves' and hijacking by reich prestige apparatus. if went 'gloves off' could readily civilize entire near east, east india style
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 13:49:28 asciilifeform: post-medieval 'merchant' nobility was sustainable only in context of expanding resource base. in shrinking/stagnant resource base, the old (hereditary nobility, serfs, etc) system is the stable one. so currently reich activity all with aim to reorg into the latter.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-19 11:55:07 signpost: re: reich, yep. screeching that "if we stopped eating, v-tronic distro (or whatever else) would come more quickly" adds 0.
(asciilifeform) signpost: re: reich, yep. screeching that "if we stopped eating, v-tronic distro (or whatever else) would come more quickly" adds 0.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: no one brought '1000yr reich' but asciilifeform, speaking only for self, dun miss it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: phf: somehow, some folx still participating! tho no lords, no 1e3year-reich, etc.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( quite a feat, incidentally, in current reich, to find these 'baguettes', req's moar legwork than dough )
(asciilifeform) mangol: you said earlier that reich is built not to care about beliefs of inmates
(asciilifeform) mangol: the reich thinks their principles are the ones that matter, and they have the force to back up their claim
(asciilifeform) mangol: "sing reich's song" vs "be silent" is about whether or not you submit mentally
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the actual personal choice available to most people isn't 'sit on arse or defeat reich with own 2 hands'. it's rather 'whether to sing 'horst wessel lied' or 'hatikva' while being gassed.'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 11:59:36 asciilifeform: mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: there's a component of global gleichschaltung, but this aint against 'ohnoez, plebes could wakeup' but rather against threat of alt-civilizations which could eat the current reich.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:27:23 asciilifeform: 'martianization' plays on the reich plebe's appetite for 'rezistenta prin cultura' (aka wank). it takes all of 10min to convincingly forge the handwritten vax receipt. but no, gotta wank, gotta picket, walk straight into the 'martian' 'free speech zone' conveniently set up by the herders.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:21:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-25#1088262 << reich dispensed with all traditional pretenses of anyffin resembling objective stats gathering, publication of negatives, etc. -- not even necessarily because 'ohnoez, mega-death from dud vax' but, likely, simply to troll the noncompliant into tilt
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: e.g. destruction of family : entirely deliberate, and has a variety of wins from lizard pov -- force plebes to borrow from usurers; moar easily move'em around to where needed; bonsaikitten w/out family has fewer loyalties that might conflict w/ reich; and so forth
(asciilifeform) mangol: not every trumpenreich / putler sympathizer is a narcissistic socoipath yet. why not?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: read, when orig. posted. has 0 to do with 'in $n cycles', but w/ shor's algo & variants. on the entirely imaginary apparatus advertised as 'quantum computer' (originally a joke paper by r.feynman, nao a multi-$1e9 reich grantsmanship game, reminiscent of 'hot fusion')
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich 'solved' the 'labour problem' by outsourcing both the labour and the required 'pinkertons'. long ago.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: cn has 'civilized world' by both balls, and the only reason it aint obv. to some is that both cn brass and their reich muppets have 'biz as usual' deeply written into their firmware, and rarely depart from script
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: reich surrendered ~100% of its light industry to cn in '90s. no amt of pretenses from current muppets will change the result, simply comedy of generals, presidents, etc sitting in chinesium chairs, pushing chinesium buttons connected to barely-conductive cn-made cu-clad-al wiring, lol
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: it's a reich platform, mangol , and operated 100% w/ reich-printed moolah. the fundamental purpose aint changing, no matter who is appointed to 'own' it
(asciilifeform) mangol: none. what i'm interested in is how reich will carry out the damage control
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: aint difficult to imagine mexicans raiding ruins of north-a. reich for tangible goods, slaves, etc.; but 'mexican empire absorbs usa' is imho projection.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: hence e.g. north dakota aint on the road to becoming 'nuke power'. even if reich leaves the silos as-is
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich inheritances dunwork so well when 'taken home' by a bantustan
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 22:23:38 asciilifeform: mats: at this pt the logs span 2 sets of nominally opposite sets of washingtoni muppets. notice any serious change, visible to naked eye, in how reich operates , over this time ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: there's a large chunk of reich system which relies on 'unprincipled exceptions'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: weizenbaum was entirely correct, banking as currently seen in reich could have complexity-collapsed, resulting in reversion to historic practice. electro-banking -- gave it reprieve
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 15:18:30 asciilifeform: current reich is based on model of 'cheaper to guard the concentration camp if the inmates can be persuaded that they aint in one' ;
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: no 'implant' simply from reich strategy of 'soft', i.e. deceptive, mutilation, rather than straight force
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 13:48:28 asciilifeform: mangol: imho obv. to anyone whose 'third eye' is even half-open, that reich cultivates 'lumpenization', promotes degeneracy, and actively curates 'movements' which sum to 'break coupla windows, steal coupla tvs, then go home and od on dope', neutralizing the 'active' and terrorizing the 'passive'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 11:32:00 asciilifeform: the cancellation of middle class in the reich that mats was cheering for is moar or less the abandonment of the 'carrot', lizards appear to think 'stick' will suffice 4evah
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: post-medieval 'merchant' nobility was sustainable only in context of expanding resource base. in shrinking/stagnant resource base, the old (hereditary nobility, serfs, etc) system is the stable one. so currently reich activity all with aim to reorg into the latter.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: from pov of arbitrarily narrow top of pyramid, reich worx a++ bugfree
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich seems to have made this decision rather long time ago, e.g. in '16 turned it into dump ground for 'refugees' etc
(asciilifeform) mangol: how can reich stay afloat if the us and eu economies stay on the current downward spiral?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: ukrowank was originally aimed to start in '14. but putin succeeded in keeping 'on ice' for 8y, buying time to conduct a hurried (and limitedly successful) 'deiphonization' (get off addiction to 'swift', 'visa', give eureich time to strange its fission plants, etc)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 12:00:33 asciilifeform: signpost: the 'controlled chaos' reich.strategy aint any kinda seekrit.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-08 13:19:03 asciilifeform: likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: greatest existential threat to reich is the existence of an 'outside'. historically, and today.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:45:04 asciilifeform: at one pt, reich installed mole (gorby) and 'won', and feasted on the delish minerals + sawed-up su industrial base & manpower for all of '90s
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
(asciilifeform) mangol: a problem for reich is that the chumps tend not to be violent enough, so harder to print FUD
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094876 << there's no such thing as '1e6 rioters'. ('We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, and "brigands" for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army."') needs supply of food, etc. and organization (i.e. in '14 kiev, reich spent over $mil/day to keep '1e6 rioters' fed, watered, etc)
(asciilifeform) mangol: the fact that undercover operatives + randoms loitered into the building, and there's now a big show trial, is the best possible outcome for reich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: simply to take 1 screamingly obv. example, the setup where ~0.1% of reich owns ~all property and rents/mortgages it to the rest, at no pt was or will be up for vote in any elections
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: at this pt the logs span 2 sets of nominally opposite sets of washingtoni muppets. notice any serious change, visible to naked eye, in how reich operates , over this time ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich not actually run by the public heads.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: but, importantly, even if martian spetsnaz parachuted in and killed literally all of the ceremonial officials, would make ~0 diff, their plug-in replacements would take office overnight & reich not skip a beat
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: near as can tell, reich sank $over9000 into attempt to set up a 'ohnoez, rightwing extremists' show with corpses. and managed only handful.
(asciilifeform) mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094733 << indeed it doesn't. but should be met with a controlled response. the main problem is that reich has made it extremely difficult to craft one.
(asciilifeform) mangol: asciilifeform: nothing that will hurt reich in sufficient numbers to stop it
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 13:51:24 asciilifeform: adlai: broad subject -- e.g. the folx successfully herded into 'social media'(tm) with lolcats, yes, serve reich 'by watching lolcats'.
(asciilifeform) mangol: of course reich promotes degeneracy and neutralizes the active. my point is, reich is very effective at suppressing active people who decide to stop being neutra
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: adlai: broad subject -- e.g. the folx successfully herded into 'social media'(tm) with lolcats, yes, serve reich 'by watching lolcats'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: imho obv. to anyone whose 'third eye' is even half-open, that reich cultivates 'lumpenization', promotes degeneracy, and actively curates 'movements' which sum to 'break coupla windows, steal coupla tvs, then go home and od on dope', neutralizing the 'active' and terrorizing the 'passive'
(asciilifeform) mangol: there's a conventional name for non-reich-moderated biz: crime :)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-09 13:03:25 mangol: normal people just can't do any "activism". if you do a lot of work, you have to set up businesses and other reich-moderated structured activities.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094540 << theoretically possible to non-reich-moderated biz, w/out the 'activism' wankage. but it won't happen unless actual hands materialize to make it.
(asciilifeform) mangol: normal people just can't do any "activism". if you do a lot of work, you have to set up businesses and other reich-moderated structured activities.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-08#1094459 << asciilifeform admits surprise : thought reich had that one buttoned up
(asciilifeform) mangol: i presume it's possible to believe in the "higher good" (good reich vs evil barbarians) without drinking that low-level kool-aid
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: the military elephant on which reich 'turtle' stands, requires certain # of 'drinkers of koolaid'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: psychology of elite is complicated can of worms. but fundamentally selected for 'reich way or barbarism' and 'for us, yacht, for them, mcd' and all else compat. w/ said core
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: reich system is a stadium without an exit door at any level.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich 'compartment' system worx quite well.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: none of this is unique to current reich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: not all reich activity directly for 'proximate' yacht. some is 'strategic', i.e. for continued viability of the structure itself.
(asciilifeform) mangol: so when reich wants to "optimize away" a trad. institution, these people are up to the task
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-08 12:18:59 asciilifeform: pg's yc co. , as i gather, was orig. built to take ambitious young technical folx 'out of circulation', prevent'em from 'rocking boat'. but expanded beyond original charter, to also pull various politically-expedient stunts that reich needs pulled but not good fit for officials per se or 'ngo'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: e.g. to bake reich's Official tame gox (coinbase), or saw away at whatever remaining labour laws (uber), etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: pg's yc co. , as i gather, was orig. built to take ambitious young technical folx 'out of circulation', prevent'em from 'rocking boat'. but expanded beyond original charter, to also pull various politically-expedient stunts that reich needs pulled but not good fit for officials per se or 'ngo'.
(asciilifeform) mangol: so the only stage at which reich control is applied is selecting who to fund
(asciilifeform) mangol: society raises x number of people who are gifted, ambitious and don't ask too many questions -> reich gives money and fame -> said people get comfortable and keep repeating working script?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( pg is a rather undisguised reich mouthpiece )
(asciilifeform) mangol: reich's carrot dangling provess leaves nothing to be desired
(asciilifeform) mangol: reich convinced me for a long time that Things are Complicated (TM)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich quite effective at convincing'em that 'it simply Happened, for Reasons'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093579 << reich excelled at the job of disconnecting as many as possible from meat superorganism.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093544 << expect that there'll be over9000 of these coming outta the woodwork as reich proceeds on collapse path. similarly to the 'phree oil from rocks' 'witch' in zimbabwe, the 'psychics' sponsored by eltsin, etc
(asciilifeform) signpost: reich's also suicidal.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: most likely, simply reich-designated undertaker for 'things that oughta stay buried'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich inmate hasn't any knobs within reach that connected to anyffin.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-24 16:29:03 asciilifeform: the # of 'unbelievers' is unknown, cuz reich aint set up in such a way that the captives' beliefs actually matter in any way
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: not even clear to asciilifeform why reich bothers with the media circus. given as makes 0 diff in reality what inmates think.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform not recalls even 1 reich politician 'died of covid'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: iirc was comedic episode, where reich talking head 'threatened' cn with... recall of 'software licenses'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-22 13:10:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-22#1087064 << imho rather obv. at this pt that reich doesn't recognize the existence of any powers other than self. the lulz where usg talking head emitted a 'china must obey...' quite illustrative.
(asciilifeform) bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-06 17:10:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093247 << tribute collection. erry reich satrapy is expected to buy some # of the flying clothes iron
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093247 << tribute collection. erry reich satrapy is expected to buy some # of the flying clothes iron
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: phf: this prolly exactly how typical reich inmate sees subj
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'read? as in fuckingbooks? like fags?' -- prolly erry natgas driller in reich naodays
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: might wonder how small bomb bots handle jamming ( they dun have the bulk to carry 'predator'-style upwards pointing sat dish thing , nor would reich likely give ukrs subscription to their bw , barely enuff for selves )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform wonders what the rest of the hyped $1e9 reich goodies for ukrs consist of... over9000 old wehrmacht uniforms ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (for folx not familiar, 'rand co.' is a lulzy reich outfit, proxy for various wunderwaffen interests, which existed to push 'soviet thread'(tm) and 'moar costly wunderwaffen needed' since '50s)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in eureich, particularly spectacular, e.g. gypsies (formerly) or 'refugees' ('17--present) take over a house, owner has 0 Official recourse
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: e.g. no whines re 'ecological cost' of arsebook, the various reddits, reich.media, feeding entire continents of fucktards who produce 0 and would be missed nowhere if were sent to /dev/null tonight, etc
(asciilifeform) mangol: reich rag warned a week ago that "America and Europe Must Be Ready for Russian Biological or Chemical Attacks"
(asciilifeform) phf: asciilifeform: but never the less the problem stands. you either write code for the reich (day job), or you write code because that's how you jerk off. from that perspective ada or php make no difference
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ultimately in reich yer 'on grid' for so long as you've a postbox where tax bill etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform wonders if will change shape when eureich no longer 'living like white man'
(asciilifeform) billymg: countries should jump on opportunity to court reich refugees now
(asciilifeform) billymg: but unclear, trend seems to be to make all use of btc outside of reich licensed/authorized venues illegal
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: in the days when the anglo reich's 'lift was headed up', this was commonplace. but observe how today's south amer. folx in usa aint 'assimilating', they're solidly 'spanish' n gen later
(asciilifeform) billymg: yeah, which beats a purely reich ruled world imo
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in the time of the prev. reich this was called 'internal emigration'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform recalls recent lulzy reich.decree 'cancelling'(tm) ru gold
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: purportedly us only can supply ~tenth of the req'd fuel tho. which means curtain call for what remains of industry in eureich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform orig. suspected that meat of the 'deal' was to sell us lng at 10x the antebellum rate to eureich
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: (where normally forced by reich, or few would buy)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: amish btw seem to have taken up pnojes. conceivably may take an interest in similar w/out the reich.grid dependency. (or not)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'there is no quick and easy way for a company that receives one of these EDRs to know whether it is legitimate' << apparently reich polizei not only never heard of e.g. pgp, but dun even use the faux-pgp used in usg.dod microshitisms
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'entrepreneur' is also a lulzy reich shibboleth. applicable to a fella who bets his house to open a restaurant, arguably, but a musk or graham simply is given reich moneys by the traincar
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 10:24:19 mangol: venture capital is how reich wealth is passed from one generation of enterpreneurs to the next?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090310 << not obvious that the 'agency' is the man's rather than reich's. take e.g. musk: all of his ventures have sumthing rather direct to do with reich agenda ( satellite isp to puncture orc greatfirewalls (while naturally maintaining reich's) ; privatized orbital laughs; 'green' lulz )
(asciilifeform) mangol: venture capital is how reich wealth is passed from one generation of enterpreneurs to the next?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: oligarch is expected to use the dough in certain ways, to promote interests of the reich. or gets 'cancelled'. (rare, given as the selection process is effective.)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-21 18:22:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-21#1086901 << the ru oligarchs fwiw were creatures of the reich, whose purpose was to steal & exfiltrate as much as possible of what 80yrs of collective orcish sweat had built. and nao that the brakes were hit on this exfiltration, naturally, 'pig aint gonna get any fatter, time for the knife'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090172 << recall also how one comes to 'be rich' in the reich. (e.g., and not all that diff. inside usa)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090174 << very different 'importance' to reich than to archaeologists. reagan's 'starwars'(tm) was a large % of the income, and various pentagon golden toilets -- a large % of the deployed installs.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: Peak reich is when you get your High School Certificate as an NFT.
(asciilifeform) mangol: you think this is peak reich (in terms of elite's power over their subjects)?
(asciilifeform) bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 13:57:52 asciilifeform: can think of over9000 motivations for the reich to keep the thing dead & deeply buried.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: PeterL: per reich , is already 'fixed' satisfactorily.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform can think of over9000 motivations for the reich to keep the thing dead & deeply buried.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-26 17:04:56 mangol: some reich approved rags now optimitic about ketamine for treating depression, somehow no screeching about horse tranquilizer
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-26#1089205 << reich slowboated it (outside of u.s. dod, in the shitholes of which leaflets recruiting guineapigs for ketamine still litter hallways) until pharma scammers were able to find a patentable mod for it. nao pushing the latter.
(asciilifeform) mangol: some reich approved rags now optimitic about ketamine for treating depression, somehow no screeching about horse tranquilizer
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: suppose odin himself walked throught the fucking walls at lizard hq, lifted out the incriminating docs, and pastebinned. what will 'we' learn? 'putin fake' etc., reich press will ignore, while throwing in over9000 distracting hangouts, mats will 'believe the Science'(tm), etc.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich's narrative aint a cleanly-manicured, consistent theatrical set, but fulla obvious holes (the lizards openly prescribing selves 'debunked' treatments, etc) but 'respectable intellectuals' simply expected to carefully epicycle around the holes
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: and it's 3+y nao, and fulla enuff 'unhappenings' (the reich flipflopping on masks, etc) to satisfy anybody who can be satisfied.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( they rely on reich.stats , for that matter. )
(asciilifeform) mangol: but none of these individual items matter if you buy into the worldview that reich media & science is reliable which would mean you can pick any individual fact and cross-examine it against any other individual fact
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'cancelled', if you prefer the reich jargon.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: all that'll ever appear in reich press is 'putin's unjustified aggression' etc claptrap. 24/7, 'outta erry clothes iron'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: as for the docs -- it'll 'unhappen' in reich. if you recall, the entire laptop thing 100% 'unhappened'.
(asciilifeform) crtdaydreams: 25#1088652][disobedient] and ``covid'' is to kill those disobedient. Catch22. But there is unconscious choice to chose the former interpretation; either a) stupidity or b) they have more faith in reich than say ``pro-vaxx''
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the fascinating thing is that even a stint of work in the reich kitchens where these 'dishes' are cooked, is rarely curative.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: and again those are just where actual corpses. plenty w/out, with merely crippling effects, but a++ reich.ok
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ^ and that's just when egregious enuff that even reich organs barfed!
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( also used in reich.jurusprudence, originally to denote 'criminal conspiracy' i.e. premeditated crime with >1 participant; then lulzily redefined to include even 1! can 'conspire w/ self' )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: 'conspiracy' is a reich shibboleth
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: btw didja ever do time in reich.academia ? ( e.g. asciilifeform has, described subj in logs plentifully )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: sorta how 'there's no dispute' that 'putin is antichrist' if yer tuned into reich's fishwraps
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: very easy to make 'no dispute' if the disputants 'no longer scientists' by reich decree, neh
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: outta curiosity, is there a hypothetical 'red line' where, if crossed, you'd set 'bozo bit' on reich.academia ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: current reich is based on model of 'cheaper to guard the concentration camp if the inmates can be persuaded that they aint in one' ;
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if were up to reich, taking a shit would be a 'regulated endeavour'. fortunately 'hands too short'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: goes screamingly against the 'scientism' baked into firmware by reich 'education'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the interesting, psychologically, aspect of the mats thread is the difficulty, for some folx, of making the jump to 'reich stats likely bogus, all i can rely on is personal experience of self and those around me'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: moar fundamentally, with the reich being the sole source of any kinda mass stats, the question aint a 'public health question' but a 'credibility of reich' question
(asciilifeform) mangol: found someone who refused latest reich software update --> "literally hitler!1 killing grannies!"
(asciilifeform) mangol: why would you take some reich-approved experimental thing that "zomg everyone needs!" if there's no obvious risk from the disease, or (if you're in risk group) risk from disease is likely to be same as risk from vax?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: that the vax is a dud ? cn, south kr where mass outbreak (per reich media!) atm not evidence enuff ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mats: would deny that reich officials did moar or less errything possible to destroy trust in their 'emergency handings' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in the most extreme case of this -- say you wanted to live in current reich today w/ same standard of living as e.g. engineer in 1900. would need to spend coupla $mil / y.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the chitter is the aimed condition, from reich pov
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in ru space, the condition in which reich seeks to maintain plebe re 'thousand deaths' is called 'emotional seesaw'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 1 objective is to prevent anyffin in the way of defection from reich academia
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: reich efforts in this direction are persistent and well-funded
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
(asciilifeform) signpost: the reich outlets demanding I got get five more boosters when 1) had vax 2) had covid 3) have had antibody test with strong results... would welcome an explanation
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: reich satrapies pay tribute in exch for signed pieces of paper. meanwhile free world copies (the rare useful items) and laughs
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: the pharma biz is a major component of the reich's 'intellectual property' racket
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: 'martianization' plays on the reich plebe's appetite for 'rezistenta prin cultura' (aka wank). it takes all of 10min to convincingly forge the handwritten vax receipt. but no, gotta wank, gotta picket, walk straight into the 'martian' 'free speech zone' conveniently set up by the herders.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-25#1088262 << reich dispensed with all traditional pretenses of anyffin resembling objective stats gathering, publication of negatives, etc. -- not even necessarily because 'ohnoez, mega-death from dud vax' but, likely, simply to troll the noncompliant into tilt
(asciilifeform) mangol: given all that, the main problem is still not covid or vax, but the urgency with which people are compelled to upgrade their mind to the latest reich software
(asciilifeform) mangol: a weird-looking, overcomplicated kind of hose that nobody knows much about, connected to one of ~three reich-approved hose providers. people who'd like a traditional hose instead, or to drink from a glass, are treated with suspicion. and come to think of it, you're not really that thirsty to begin with.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: hence wai current reich preoccupied with problem of 'how to make nowhere to walk out into'
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