mats: its ironic that its russia's military successes in syria that's got israel hedging its bets, the persians have been extraordinarily successful expanding the shia crescent while under sanctions, and the israelis desperately need to be able to fly in .sy without fear of russian sam sites
mats: seems a lot of people in the west are under the misapprehension that ukraine will be the end of russia
mats: most major and middle powers are carefully hedging their bets and making strong public statements while spending some nominal eight fig sum in aid
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-24#1103237 I wonder if men of ages bygone would long for the past when "times were simpler" and whether that's an attitude to be frowned upon and rather ungrateful.
crtdaydreams: I don't know whether to frame it as a form of "nostalgia" either.
crtdaydreams: I by no means would like to suggest that one goes amish, but there's something about things like horse riding, shooting, sailing etc. that's just *organic*
crtdaydreams: A good comparison would be electic steering on a car.
crtdaydreams: vs. direct control w/ power steering.
crtdaydreams: (personal preference here) I hate electric steering, you can't _feel_ the vehicle, the minute changes and bumps in the road.
crtdaydreams: then again, it wouldn't matter much if *you* don't actually drive anymore.
crtdaydreams: phf: was looking at rifles, from TAoR Cooper mentions the Blaser R93, I had a look at their lineup, R8 looks pretty schmick
phf: i have a cheap ("we don't call them cheap, they are low cost"--gun store owner) savage 308. it makes small spread holes where i point it at about 300yrd
phf: hmm, these blaser rifles look cool. i have that same problem i had with guitars though. i'm left handed, and have to choose between limited left-handed stock of often mildly inferior product, or use righthanded and some technique
phf: cooper describes a left handed pull on a right handed rifle in one of his articles (that's how i ran into his work), and it's not too bad. i think in taor he mentions lefies also, and how some world champions does left handed pull and how it doesn't deter him, but it's still not ideal.
phf: for example depending on how far back your scope extends and how high it sits, the "tilt, over and pull" method becomes more cumbersome, and keeping the sight becomes significantly harder
phf: so atm in bolt action i have a savage 308 synthetic and a weatherby 300 wmag wood both lefty. i'm of the opinion that premium items ought to be used with no concern for their cost, but i still end up handling 308 significantly more because i e.g. can just throw it in the back of the jeep without looking for a bag or whatever
phf: on the other hand with that weatherby i did 1125yd ~~4in on a still day (worse with wind, but that's because i don't know what i'm doing)
phf: which ultimately opens up the most important question, whachu got that rifle for
asciilifeform surprised how cheap that 308
signpost: https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961 << man. the pigs kept parents *out* while this went on. I wager some of those fathers were armed, and willing to go in.
signpost: what is hell supposed to be exactly, if not this?
signpost: obviously not for me; for them.
signpost: if this is this country's cultural output it has to be stopped for whatever's left of humanity.
signpost: "sorry ma'am, think of the paperwork I'll have to file while on paid leave if I let your husband in there."
verisimilitude: I can't help but feel amusement.
verisimilitude: ````When the cops came, the cop said: ``Yell if you need help!'' And one of the persons in my class said ``help.'' The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her,'' the boy said.''
verisimilitude: Yes, signpost, this will break the camel's back, not Waco or anything else in the past century.
verisimilitude: The US started rotting before anyone here was born.
verisimilitude: Bankers cause this.
signpost: didn't say anything about it being a turning point.
verisimilitude: I know; I preemptively wrote that.
signpost: certainly financialism does have something to do with rendering profit the sole motive of action.
verisimilitude: I mean the bankers not only want power, but they cause cultural rot for its own sake.
signpost: mass production of military weapons for civilians hasn't much to do with ideology other than increasing market size.
verisimilitude: Is Pest military-grade?
signpost: I prefer to discuss what I've said, rather than what you'd like to imply I mean.
signpost: hard as it may be in the US to imagine a culture, cultures have existed.
verisimilitude: What's wrong with civilians having military-grade gear?
shinohai: asciilifeform: can haz gpgram of your latest pest ip at yer convenience so can update AT ?
signpost: shinohai: hm, shouldn't his message have updated your AT?
signpost: verisimilitude: read what I've said again and ask a smarter question.
asciilifeform: shinohai: 188.8.131.52 , it aint a seekrit. but yes how come your station not auto-eaten it ?
signpost: I've said I own a rifle myself.
shinohai: Dunno currently testing smalpest via pentacle, don't think it auto-updates.
signpost: to give you a few more clues, is it a fact of life generally, or the US specifically that an eyeliner-wearing cuck just mowed down a bunch of children?
verisimilitude: I retract any question, signpost.
verisimilitude: In China, they just use hammers or gasoline, signpost.
signpost: they're as hopeless there as here.
asciilifeform: signpost: 'postals', incl. in kindergartens, fwiw also 'invented' in ru , tho typically there folx use shotgun (worx even better, make 'ground beef')
signpost: asciilifeform: seems entirely in line with useless male primate behavior
verisimilitude: Perhaps the entire world is hopeless, because anyone who isn't can easily be destroyed by most anyone who is.
signpost: verisimilitude: perhaps there are cultural operating systems that would better filter failed males.
verisimilitude: It's certainly easier, being hopeless.
verisimilitude: Sure, but eugenics is out of style, signpost.
asciilifeform: signpost: there seems to be a mammalian script, 'hey you won't make room for me? well, how about eat some lead, for piglet!!!! '
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-02-03 asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
signpost: yep, exactly that. lots of primates will kill the offspring of opponent males.
signpost: the human version's more abstract, but echoes the theme.
verisimilitude: I just found this stupid shit: The current IPv4 is unnecessarily slow and suffers from inability to deploy new features. To remediate these problems, software vendors and also big content and access ISPs are going to remove IPv4 backwards compatibility in favor of IPv6 on February 1st, 2030.
asciilifeform: there's no 'operating system for failed males', they gotta be used up in some usefully selective meatgrinder (war, arctic colonizations, etc) or will explode.
signpost: the operating system I'm referring to is the culture, that would yes, arrange these.
verisimilitude: I'd rather watch the author die on 2030-02-01 than IPv4.
verisimilitude: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'Supporters They don’t endorse anything on this page, but they love the internet.' [followed by a buncha nobodies]
verisimilitude: See, at least if the author shot up a school instead, there would maybe be an entertaining video to watch.
signpost: dissociation is a coward's way to cope with reality.
asciilifeform: 'Firewalls which drop IPv6 packets with such protocols are making the situation worse for everyone, including worsening DoS attacks and inducing higher latency for DNS traffic' << asciilifeform will continue to drop all ipv6 , at home and at isp and anywhere else where operates a net
verisimilitude: Sure, but dissociation can be more fun than reality.
verisimilitude: I don't think reality minds, signpost.
signpost: nobody gives a shit what tautology keeps you chuckling.
asciilifeform ftr officially supports 'postal'/'make room!11'/etc folx, if could devise a way for'em to make rocket launchers outta old napkins, would. what the rotting civ needs most direly is the fucking gc to finally come around.
signpost: https://archive.ph/UHGme << Once freed, Gomez moved away from the crowd, broke into a run, jumped a fence, and ran inside to rescue her children. "She sprinted out of the school with them," the Journal reports.
signpost: that's what a human being looks like.
asciilifeform: great inca cultures dependence, etc.
verisimilitude: We agree, asciilifeform. I support people who kill those for whom I don't care at all, or even know. I'd only mind if I or someone whom I know were killed.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: errybody dies eventually.
signpost: verisimilitude: that view in aggregate is what we already have.
verisimilitude: There are cultures for which I care greatly, but I'd be regarded as insane by a normal person for valuing them.
asciilifeform: rec. reading: 'stand on zanzibar', j.brunner.
asciilifeform: the bleating herd ~will~ be thinned.
verisimilitude: ``An EDNS buffer size of 1232 bytes will avoid fragmentation on nearly all current networks.''
verisimilitude: A pest message could probably be expanded a little, without issue, rather than eating into the payload.
verisimilitude: That's all.
signpost: if by cucks defended by pigs, I look forward to the great civilization they create.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fwiw i like it as it is. i.e. compat. with ancient irons / softs.
verisimilitude: I was just trying to offer helpful information.
verisimilitude: On the topic of Pest, I'll eventually finish my Serpent implementations, and then I'll have all required pieces for combining.
asciilifeform: signpost: fwiw, e.g. 'coca cola' alone kills erry day moar than net from 'postals' to date. somehow no 'omg111outrage' there.
asciilifeform: mp in particular had a great piece re subj, tho can't recall which -- where 'moostate hates and fears volitional individual over9000' etc
verisimilitude: Why would the news report on a customer like that, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: obv wouldn't lol
asciilifeform: from 'actuarial' pov, an immortal living in a magically unchanged current-day reich would be killed by e.g. police a dozen times before ever by 'postal'
asciilifeform: and flattened by truck several dozen times before 'postal'
asciilifeform: the concern trolls aint from 'actuarial' pov.
verisimilitude: Well that's why an immortal also needs to be invincible.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's an actuarial logical device, 'life expectancy of a non-invincible immortal' in xyz envir.
verisimilitude: Oh, how amusing.
signpost: please point to the civilization in history that did not as a first priority keep the damned subhumans out of the city, let alone roving with weapons.
asciilifeform: for instance, a daily commuter on wash dc 'beltway' has iirc halflife of 500y
verisimilitude: Does the US after ``civil rights'' count, signpost?
asciilifeform: signpost: roving subhumans (armed w/ errything from pointed stick to bmg) in 100% usa cities atm afaik
signpost: so then, where did we disagree?
asciilifeform: deliberately cultured unofficial enforcers of 'high class real estate' prices (i.e. out of blast radius) and other reich programmes.
signpost: if you want to also criticize the view that "all lives are sacred", feel free.
verisimilitude: If all lives be sacred, then clearly being sacred means little.
asciilifeform: 'sacred' is a lulzy null word, you dun want to be 'sacred' necessarily (in egypt, 'sacred' cats sacrificed routinely, roman 'homo sacer' in fact is outlaw who may be killed for sport, 'belongs to the gods' , etc )
signpost: this is really like talking to a brick wall with a tennis ball, my dudes.
signpost: my point was that I was not presenting that view.
asciilifeform still eating thread, not yet found where who disagreed
signpost: what US is failing at is "order", which is expected, and interesting in that it means it's not traditionally speaking a state, but something else.
signpost: continent-scale prison system, say.
signpost: not only failing at order, but sure, actively stoking disorder as a matter of policy.
signpost: in a sentence, this makes it an anti-civilization as far as that notion can be taken.
asciilifeform: signpost: cultivated disorder is actually an ancient means of jacking up taxation. e.g. in egypt, barbarian horsement 'vacuumed up' periphery unopposed by center, in fact tacitly supported, drove folx to live where could be corralled / effectively taxed.
signpost takes the view that civilization is macrocosm of the nature of relations between individuals, and pointed out that lipstick-cuck mowing down 5yos sounds about right for this place.
asciilifeform: in current-day usa very similar.
asciilifeform: is mistake to suppose that center wants order in ~entire~ reich.
asciilifeform: but rather, wants disorder in 'periphery' (not necessarily geographic, e.g. in usa 'inner city')
signpost: that's a good point; there's pretty limited real estate where "safe", exorbitantly expensive.
asciilifeform: so as 'burghers' flee from where reich is weak to where strong.
signpost: which is a tax racket.
asciilifeform: is ancient stratagem.
verisimilitude: Do we agree authoritarian power structures be better?
signpost: distinguish one from what we have currently.
asciilifeform: this, signpost , is the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of 'wai batshit crackheads with machineguns in chicago?' etc
verisimilitude: I should be more specific, yes.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: we already have authoritarian reich, the above is a feature of advanced model of same.
asciilifeform: there is no contradiction there.
verisimilitude: I refer to an authoritarian power structure with known rulers, not a foreign cabal.
verisimilitude: I refer to an honest authoritarian power structure.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 14:36:15 asciilifeform: from this pov, a face that appears on a podium, tv, fishwrap -- does not belong to a lizard.
asciilifeform: so that gavrilo princip could draw a bead on'em ? lol
asciilifeform: secrecy worx over9000 better than bunkers, armoured limos, etc
verisimilitude: Well, ideally, the lizards have lost their tails and die unsaved by their lizard god, asciilifeform.
signpost: yes, I'm not sure such a thing can exist.
asciilifeform: formerly there could be open rulers because maintained an effective mythology of 'right to rule'
asciilifeform: today -- not
verisimilitude: Where do Hitler, Stalin, and younger Kim fit in this mould?
asciilifeform: so, bunkers.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the bunker model.
asciilifeform: e.g. hitler not appeared publicly ~at all since '42, when war began to go against plan and lost 'superstar' popularity
verisimilitude: Well, were they the rulers, or ruled themselves?
asciilifeform: among the last kings to rule 'openly'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103464 << mr.lipstick is a horseman per the model.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 15:10:52 signpost: takes the view that civilization is macrocosm of the nature of relations between individuals, and pointed out that lipstick-cuck mowing down 5yos sounds about right for this place.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 15:10:43 asciilifeform: signpost: cultivated disorder is actually an ancient means of jacking up taxation. e.g. in egypt, barbarian horsement 'vacuumed up' periphery unopposed by center, in fact tacitly supported, drove folx to live where could be corralled / effectively taxed.
signpost: rereading the thread, perhaps the distinguishing aspect of our time is that technology permits chaos to be eveywhere, and still outside the fences for a certain class.
signpost: e.g. baghdad green zone
asciilifeform: signpost: recall BingoBoingo's bmore maps etc. is no seekrit where in each locale is 'green zone', 'yellow', 'red'
verisimilitude: See, I knew there was some innovation to these manmade horrors, signpost.
asciilifeform: reich however also has an interest in occasionally terrorizing inhabitants of 'green zones'
signpost: right, but I expect that the green zones will narrow and evaporate.
signpost: who needs these when everywhere can just as well be san francisco, each oligarch building a space station.
asciilifeform: generally they stay put geographically, but the moolah req'd to move from 'red' to 'yellow' or from 'yellow' to 'green' goes up, w/ 'real inflation'(tm)
asciilifeform: is a tax collection mechanism, rather than 'ultimate plot to move musk to space station and errybody else madmax'
signpost: oh sorry, each building on earth containing oligarchs to be as airtight as a space station.
signpost: re: size of green zones, I'd expect them to be proportional to food availability
asciilifeform: afaik that's a present, rather than future
signpost: it is.
asciilifeform: signpost: food, energy, misc. goodies
asciilifeform: is why their relative scales differ in diff. parts of reich
verisimilitude: I'd like to see someone shoot an RPG at these buildings, rather than shoot up another school, already.
signpost: certainly there's an aspect of "oh, bravo, moar fish in a bucket eh?"
signpost: while e.g. soros sits happily in damp undies.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's upstack observation is that 'postalist', like last decade's 'terrorist' or 19th c 'anarchist' figure in fact serves, whether wants to or not, and is cultivated by, the reich. when machinegun costs 100k for whitebread aficionado, mr.lipstick will still find one, gestapo will give him a working and freshly oiled one. because how else make the sheep bleat 'plz neuter us', how else justify a $trillion poli
asciilifeform: ce state, etc
signpost: with this I agree 100%.
verisimilitude: I think we be long past justifying it, asciilifeform.
signpost: just making the observation that it implies living in a crude kind of civilization, not befitting the term.
signpost: maybe someday we invent civilization again.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'justify' in the sense of enthusiastic support of the bleaters, 1e10 tips to gestapo erry week, etc
asciilifeform: (in ye olde germany gestapo in fact had to arrest and shoot a few overenthusiastic morons, as it was under dangerous 'ddos' for virtually entire existence )
verisimilitude: Call me crazy, but I still think we should let the Irish and Italians in next time, signpost.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103512 << asciilifeform in thrd offers 'key' to 'why always kindergarten, and never davos'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 15:26:49 verisimilitude: I'd like to see someone shoot an RPG at these buildings, rather than shoot up another school, already.
asciilifeform: answr is that 'rpg at davos' is snipped in the bud reliably and not even advertised by gestapo as 'looksee, we foiled great plot', desaparecido and 0 publicity
asciilifeform: whereas 'haha, look at my new mg, where is nearest kindergarten' type -- 100% handsoff, and if he can't afford the mg, will be given.
asciilifeform: and offen enuff (per 'sandy hook'(tm)) there'll even be a minder ('vanishing 2nd shooter') there, to make sure he goes through with it.
verisimilitude: Well, if we may, let's start discussing something else; there will always be another shooting soon enough. I'd rather discuss hacking.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: held like clockwork 2-3x/yr
asciilifeform: erry time 'surprise!!'
signpost: sure. I'm over here working on the encoder again today.
verisimilitude: This encodes what?
signpost: http://trinque.org/2022/02/19/online-codes-in-python-wip/ << this thinger.
asciilifeform: signpost: maymounkov's algo ?
signpost: working it towards a little demo of a swarm download.
verisimilitude: Oh, right.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103364 << i'm not into conspiracies, but! woulnd't want your postal event turn into "hero dad rushes active shooter" story. "sir, SIR, stand BACK, authorized actors only!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 14:19:43 signpost: https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961 << man. the pigs kept parents *out* while this went on. I wager some of those fathers were armed, and willing to go in.
signpost can see uniformed dick-shriveling in play, at least.
verisimilitude: I don't believe the importance of representation is stressed enough in programming. Part of the reason computing is in such a sorry state is because idiots insist on only using their representations.
verisimilitude: It could be argued that he who hasn't used a new representation to solve a problem hasn't really solved it differently.
asciilifeform: phf: in some of usa one might get away with nailing a nutter who busts into yer house, but afaik in all 50 bagging one in public is privilege exclusively for the polizei
asciilifeform: 'it aint a bug -- but a feature'(tm). the polizei are there ~to~ protect yer terrorizers ~from you~.
signpost: sounds about right.
signpost got jumped by strangers, spent decent chunk of cash on the aftermath.
asciilifeform: aha. picture if hadn't the dough.
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo had a similar misadventure back in reich.
asciilifeform: if ends w/ a corpse (not your own, that is) can easily cost errything you have + over9000
signpost was beat quite to hell, just had audacity to return the favor.
signpost: so yep
asciilifeform read a neato memoir once, by ru fella, '5 years in the starred-and-striped gulag', he answered a knife with a knife in nyc, did 5y (of iirc 10) until granted deportation in early 2000s
asciilifeform: if a scum knifes, shoots, an actual person, beat cop will fill out a form and fughet about it; if reverse -- manhunt, 'trayvon'(tm), media circus, show trials. because, elementarily, crime against the reich per se, its monopoly.
phf: i also had that experience. used to do club promotion with dc dude bros, a good friend of mine, when drunk and alone at the end of the night would start antagonizing guys into fights, taught me early on that "other must throw first punch". well it gets messier when it's "his friends against my friends". at some point someone pressed charges. i came out unscathed, but made me weary of bar fights
phf: but also no trayvons involved, everyone in that mess was a good old boy (which is i believe how it got ultimately settled, fathers resolved)
asciilifeform: afaik typical, if no participant is 'protected species'
phf: but also one of the early "huh, it's not russia anymore" moments. one of girl's favorite talking points is that criminalization of bar fights is why there's no good police anymore: if you're never been punched in the face, have much harder time handling your adrenaline, do dumb shit in a critical situation like that
asciilifeform not able to comment re bars, is a place where asciilifeform just about as outta element as in a church.
signpost: apparently I got hit right on the button, because the next memory is ground up fists and antagonizing the pigs.
signpost: ought've yeah, just been "whoops, something got out of hand" and everyone going home.
signpost bbl, food
shinohai can't imagine asciilifeform at a bar tbh, but alone and morose in front of an old xray machine drinking vodka straight from bottle .....
asciilifeform: shinohai: drinking reqs moar spare time than asciilifeform has naodays, lol
phf: dc nightlife is not engineer friendly
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform 'nightlife' is when idiocy at terminal at dawn, or into wee hrs
asciilifeform: ( i.e. when actually possible to $work w/out interruptions )
phf: i got into dc nightlife because dc life is even worse and i got tired of "termianl at dawn"
asciilifeform: well just 'getting tired' aint quite enuff for to stop, lol
asciilifeform: ( or not many participants would remain )
asciilifeform dun recall ever encountering anybody at all in salt mines who aint 'tired'
phf: i think there's an element of hikikomori living to it, at least there was in my case.
phf: on top of that what used to be a deviant behavior (i finished work on computer, i can now relax on computer) is now a norm, for broader range of "computer"
asciilifeform possibly not true 'hiki' , as not lived alone for ~20y, but otherwise qualifies
vex: got any holidays planned asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: vex: lol watsa holiday.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103568 << Still fun to imagine it though, a drunken asciilifeform slurring "It's over 9000 Rontgen, wheeeee!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 19:48:33 asciilifeform: shinohai: drinking reqs moar spare time than asciilifeform has naodays, lol
asciilifeform: vex: 'holiday' is sumthing sarariman w/ 1 job does
phf: in su intelligentsia was not automatically "nerds", in fact шестидесятники culture was all about guitar, campfire, whitewater canoeing, arctic expeditions and month long backpacking trips to wilderness. so this whole american "wendel" thing is still odd to me. i did my hiki time when i came here, ended up learning a lot of useful stuff, but
phf: would not do it again
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-05 23:11:12 phf: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQkZzgXw_G8
asciilifeform saw, lulzy
asciilifeform: phf: artifact of long-running reich social engineering project, attempt to create 'an india'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 19:23:44 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to ramp down expectations of life for all of'em
asciilifeform: 'you have boox in yer house? must be a brahmin' 'you have rifle and truck? must be a kshatriya?' etc
asciilifeform: show to typical american that you've both, and he'll div0
asciilifeform: or fall through his switch(), perhaps
phf: bill hicks's "whacha readin for?"
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-09-05 asciilifeform: 'A Chukcha applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." "Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103581 << asciilifeform aint a hardware exhibitionist tho. like many folx, owns a rustyard of 'tool bought for that 1 job' but not imagines is 'point of pride' or interesting per se to readers.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 20:04:17 shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103568 << Still fun to imagine it though, a drunken asciilifeform slurring "It's over 9000 Rontgen, wheeeee!"
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-08-29 kanzure: nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 11:44:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-28#1062218 << asciilifeform aint a subscriber to the mp school of blogging, y'know the one where you post photo of erry meal you eat and the shit you took
vex: are you finding shit you forgot you owned, with the relocation?
verisimilitude: Be pleased with the jokes, asciilifeform; for some reason, they joke about me with the pregnant men emojis, remember.
asciilifeform: vex: asciilifeform not old enuff to have 'forgot owned' lol
vex: it might be a vodka thing
asciilifeform: ( oblig 'how do you know you own a mainframe computer?' 'if you've lost an oscilloscope inside it...' )
verisimilitude: This channel is naught but politics much of the time; we switch to programming, to hear crickets.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude still supposes they're meaningfully separable subj, dun he
asciilifeform: if only were so
verisimilitude: Programming is mathematics, and mathematics isn't politics.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: should've seen ye olde #t
verisimilitude: Do tell.
asciilifeform will let the logs tell
shinohai: Be kind and read teh logs to him asciilifeform he is pregnant after all.
asciilifeform would come up with 'emoji' but these dunwork on his terminal..
asciilifeform: they work on the commercial boxen, but the only emoji ever needed there is 'steaming pile of shit'
asciilifeform: there's 1 where a face spews a river of green barf, also handy
verisimilitude: Everyone here is in his separate world, and there's merely some overlap, right? This is what most programming discussions feel like to me, everyone working on separate things, barely understood by the others most of the time.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not meant as a barf, but afaik yours is the only 'separate world' atm
asciilifeform: errybody else moar or less in 1
verisimilitude: That's fair, not that it makes particular difference from my view.
asciilifeform: nuffin wrong w/ this per se. asciilifeform not running a mp-style penal battalion.
mats: not yet
asciilifeform: but 'erryone in separate worlds' aint accurate imho.
vex: oh no you didn mats
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103363 << can make a decent bolt action for cheap without cutting too many corners. plastic stock, various niceties, but ultimately you have a barrel and a bolt. weatherby mark v goes for 3000$, vanguard which is their low end brand is 700$ etc.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 13:51:56 asciilifeform: surprised how cheap that 308
vex: what are you shooting phf? deer?
asciilifeform: phf: right, but got accustomed to how the ~last item still 'made in usa'(tm) tends to be 4fig+
asciilifeform: ( esp. when machined parts. machinist lives in usa, and wants to afford to also have farm and own shooting field too, lol )
phf: i've never shot one, or seen one, but i suspect vanguard is same barrel and same bolt in a cheap "synthetic" stock
phf: vex: with a 308-- deer
asciilifeform guessed that , with 308, it aint e.g. hare
asciilifeform: nor elephant
vex: we have `big rabbits' in oz
asciilifeform: in usa, 308 is for deer and bipeds
vex: yeah bolt action won't work on our rabbits; hit one they're off like fuck
asciilifeform: bolt compressed air rifle, w/ subsonic , worx fine on'em
asciilifeform: and on all other phree garden meats
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103637 << idea was better done in the original, but a bit longer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbcU-qW7Zvo&t=1467s
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 20:43:42 phf: also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-26#1103362
vex: big rabbits is regulation friendly speak for a certain large type of marsupial that will fuck with your crops
phf: out here they say "just remember the three s's: shoot, shovel, and shut up"
asciilifeform: iirc in au plebes permitted to shoot at most with bow, and then only if licensed aboriginal, lol
vex: it's complicated
phf: "bullet once in air can not under article 3.15 of au penal code cross the designated covid zone lines, unless both the rifleman and the animal are up to date on their vaccination status, otherwise the death is designated as a covid death and might result in an area lockdown"
vex: we're so getting v&
vex: what3words.com/then.barefoot.meatballs here's a holiday idea asciilifeform
vex: I've heard it's nice, and most day's there isn't a terrorist attack
shinohai: top kek phf
vex: give the little lady minimum notice.
vex: ohai, i'm taking the week off
vex: when? now. pack your shit
vex: i heart what 3 words
vex: i'm mildly dissapointed that verisimilitude hasn't sent a 3 word poem
vex: isn't it all about pingbacks?
vex: i think we can shoot someone if they try to take something, not before
verisimilitude: I wasn't looking;
verisimilitude: I don't care;
verisimilitude: And, finally, vex,
verisimilitude: This is stupid.
vex: relax brother
verisimilitude: I sent a poem in which each line is three words, vex.
verisimilitude: Rather, each verse is.
asciilifeform: 'crawl, crawl, snail / up fuji mountain / until reach top.'(tm)(r)(8th c jp)
signpost: I'll submit for consideration "life, eh? woof."
signpost returns to his bodhi tree
verisimilitude: The word verse is Latin, VERSVS VERSVVS.
vex: everyone eho hast taken a holiday in the last year needs to consider it
verisimilitude: Everyone who hasn't proofread his messages needs to consider it.
signpost been on several, agrees
signpost: vex: what do you do, btw
vex: ah you sound like ben 10]
signpost wouldn't be surprised if vex is low-key the bit-richest of anyone present.
phf: we've already established that he's satoshi
vex: I'm not
vex: No lambos
signpost: it's such good cover!
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-26 19:50:05 asciilifeform: for asciilifeform 'nightlife' is when idiocy at terminal at dawn, or into wee hrs
asciilifeform: sorta what it means
verisimilitude: Wouldn't that be true regardless of the way one be rich, then, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: why'd it matter how
vex: most of the richest have popped off
verisimilitude: Yes, exactly.
vex: too busy et al\
asciilifeform: attempts to 'richest' indeed 1 way for 'pop off' for rich
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 14:50:32 asciilifeform: finds interesting that there appears to be a danger zone on the ~upper~ end of things, i.e. 'mortido' taking forms of e.g. costly substance abuse, costa rica swims, etc. many moar ameri-millionaires burned in chopper crashes than from plebe bullet, always found this interesting.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 10:28:56 asciilifeform: 'only millionaire, that's 1 step up from pauper, but what if could be billionaire' etc
signpost: I was just curious, not measuring peens.
signpost: vex seems to have time for excess.
vex: I put myself like that
vex: nyah drown
vex: in fact, as a waterman, i'm probalbly unsurpassed
asciilifeform not been to water for 3+y nao. tho relatives own beach house. will have to drown in bath
vex would have asciilofeform aboard. straight to the engine room
vex: then back on deck. it's take 15 minutes
verisimilitude: The water is overrated.
vex: feel free to get a plane to anywhere verisimilitude
verisimilitude: Then again, life is also overrated, so this advice isn't at all helpful.
asciilifeform last 'took holiday' to.. have covid. and before then, to.. have covid. and before then... dun remember ( even when went to ro, had saltmine gear in the attache case and worked nights )
vex: covid doesn't matter if the stern gland is leaking
vex: someone go and check for fucks sake
vex: i never read this before
phf: i like ocean…
phf: in fact i don't consider it a proper summer unless large body of water and a tropical island were somehow involved
vex: cocos islands are available
vex: when you get to the pub, you'll be okay
phf: vex: yeah, i was actually thinking of some smaller islands of the costa rica's shore
asciilifeform worked w/ a fella who managed to drown in 1 of those
asciilifeform: fughet whether on landing or takeoff
phf: i suspect a lot of men died trying to live out bond fantasy in the midlife
phf: if your reaction times, stress handling, etc. never were milspec to begin with, probably not a good idea to test them by the time they are dulled
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 17:04:38 asciilifeform: 'it's better than from vodka or from colds!'(tm)(r)(v.vysotsky, 'mountain climber')
phf: yeah i started thinking about it since you made that point, but i don't have anything yet. it's a keen observation though
asciilifeform doesn't begrudge folx who only finally made dough & freetime in old age, their aeronautic deaths
asciilifeform: is better than not at all and at fucking desk.
phf: there's also skyking, the absolute legend. never forget.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform : 'i could buy a small airplane' pet: 'dont buy airplane' a: 'think, would never need to buy a 2nd, economical' )
mats: what a comedian
asciilifeform: 'buy it for life'(tm)(r)(forumtards)
mats: that one stings
vex: I don't want this cessna anymore
asciilifeform lives where they go right by window, can count the rivets
vex: do you listen to the vhf?
asciilifeform: snoar tho
vex: get one
vex: alf into dc. make way
mats: can't be good for air quality
asciilifeform: at ~$1/sec petrol, will rust
vex: ok true
mats: like living next to a motorcycle track
asciilifeform: before, lived by train track, spitting distance from window, had bolted down furniture etc
vex: motorcycles are cheap as fuck
asciilifeform: the airfield is improvement re noise
mats: since you own the place, you could soundproof it
asciilifeform: go soundproof cardboard
verisimilitude: It's easier to soundproof individual ears.
asciilifeform looked into it, concluded lolno
mats: and moonlight on weekends as a long pig butcher
asciilifeform: 'that man is dead, name's todd nao, sweeny todd'
mats: what did your estimate come to?
asciilifeform: would need to bulldoze & put in actual house from not-cardboard lol
mats: you could decouple the interior walls with an extra wall
asciilifeform: and leave room the size of phone booth ?
verisimilitude: Imagine the quiet, though.
mats: its not that bad
mats: but it'll definitely feel weird as a not-8ft height ceiling
asciilifeform: these cardboards aint big, mats , need erry cm
asciilifeform: 8f ceiling already feels 'phone booth' to asciilifeform who grew up with 1.5x that
mats: do you really want to punish the settlors of your estate with having to clean up decades of hoarding
asciilifeform has not much 'hoard' , but lives in very small space , cuz otherwise $maxint
vex: i've got 8m cielings
asciilifeform: vex lives in h. hughes's hangar, with 'spruice goose' ?
vex: hold ur roll mattie
vex: i do like a wooden fuck off
mats: you could just do the master
asciilifeform: 'hmm should i work in phone booth or sleep in phone booth'
mats: high drama
asciilifeform considered to dig 'fuhrerbunker' on the site for e.g. sound isol. but would have to be done in style of 'great escape', given local busybodies and their 'permit' bullshits
asciilifeform: carry dirt out in pant legs.
mats: it could double as a panic room
mats: and then a pharaohs tomb
asciilifeform: a good panicker can panic anywhere! needs no special rooms
mats: i always laugh when i see movies with panic rooms
asciilifeform: watsa 'panic room' anyway
mats: death box for dumb rich people trying to hide from intruders
asciilifeform: hide ? thought by implication that it's a pillbox
asciilifeform: w/ slots for mg
verisimilitude: It's one of those rich people things, like a fainting couch.
mats: i've never seen a panic room designed like a pillbox
asciilifeform: why wouldja design it not like pillbox?
mats: so the folks hiding in it will definitely die
mats: people always forget the room needs hvac
asciilifeform: lol so why make a room. pull cyanide outta arse at 1st sign of problem, bite
verisimilitude: That's messy in more ways than one.
mats: i guess they hope the intruders don't understand how hvac works
asciilifeform: intruder expected to die of laffter?
mats: oh no, strong door, time to leave
verisimilitude: Most intruders wouldn't.
mats: you don't have to think very hard about it
asciilifeform aware of old-style castles w/ escape tunnels, but not sees point of locking yerself in a safe
verisimilitude: This is because most intruders would be black.
mats: and doing the folks in the room only requires accelerant
verisimilitude: I can see the point of locking someone else in a safe.
vex: basically dont't steal'
verisimilitude: What a bad way to go, however; I'd kindly ask my murderer to just shoot me instead.
asciilifeform: 'for the love of god, montrezor!'
phf: panic rooms are a 90s thing, with the destruction of middle class you're either building a bomb shelter, or you're not playing these games anymore
vex: don't take the obvious umbrella
asciilifeform wonders how many folx build 'bomb shelter' simply to get moar room w/out 'building permits' & taxation idiocy
asciilifeform: in which direction can build, on shit american suburbia lot, other than 'down'
phf: asciilifeform: i knew a bomb shelter builder guy in pa, he was making bank post-2008, and it was definitely not the case of "building permits". was building legitimate 200m before the vault door kind of operations
asciilifeform: rockefeller, musk, no doubt 200m
asciilifeform: esp. the kind who hire 'shelter guy'
asciilifeform: was speaking of humans.
vex: step back
mats: i always wanted to dig a big hole
mats: i guess its the dog in me
phf: west of philly, before it becomes amish country is another one of those old money settlements. expensive, mansion on 100 years kind of realestate. media pa thereabouts. girls little ivy, swarthmore college is thereabout, etc.
phf: *100 acres
asciilifeform: against what to dig 200m hole in amish pa ?
asciilifeform: ( or simply because 1840 wine keeps better in one..? )
phf: asciilifeform: these are generational estates, presumably global event level last stand. tbh the guy said nobody ever shared the reasons with them
asciilifeform: wine then
asciilifeform: re 'event', all gotta do is to level the vent & the entrance, and 'sfyl' rockefeller
asciilifeform recalls tales from father, who trained in ye olde su army on mockup of us rocket silos, doing exactly that
asciilifeform: ... there typically only need to 'derail' the door
asciilifeform finds hilarious what moneyed tards will build, how presumes that 'personal army' will come & rescue'em. why would it, in 'event' ? see e.g. marcos's, ceaucescu's, chopper pilots
asciilifeform: 'sfyl mein fuhrer'
asciilifeform: bluebloods will make for fine 'time capsules' once properly sealed in imho.
mats: ground penetrating radar is pretty cool
asciilifeform: archaeologists will find'em w/ radar sets, like recently 'new' egyptian tomb
asciilifeform: will laff over skeleton holding 'playstation' controller
asciilifeform: 'we found tomb of musk viii'
mats: makes me think of the game of cat and mouse between idf and hamas
asciilifeform not envies job of 'shelter digger' for oligarchs, considering historical tradition of wat-do w/ seekrit tunnel diggers
mats: those guys know holes
asciilifeform wishes to all lizards speedy 1way trips to bottom of deep hole
asciilifeform: with good tight permanent lid on top.
phf: you can take a boy out of su, but…
vex: it's vey difficult ti navigate mullumbimbyr
asciilifeform: 'Всіх панів до 'дної ями,. Буржуїв за буржуями. Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(c)
asciilifeform to bed, then 'terminal at dawn' etc
phf: i can't hate people for how they spend their money, i'm even having hard time for hating them for how they got it. but i prefer to imagine that their plans are at the very least interesting