vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anq9_23klx4 when mcafee quit, he left his pet a mechanism that worked
verisimilitude: Does scoopbot know me?
signpost: verisimilitude: I'm about to go to bed, but did you ever pick up whitaker's words?
signpost: seems like it would be of interest to you.
vex: whois whitaker
signpost: iirc an air force d00d that wrote himself a latin parser.
signpost: good then, goodnight.
verisimilitude: My plans need no parser, amusingly.
verisimilitude: Reading papers before publishing them is too damn hard.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1051089 << a tough place to be. sometimes I end up in this "current science is shit" conversation, especially after a few drinks. I don't think I've convinced anyoned, but I can see some people getting scared if I manage a few good points
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 23:11:06 asciilifeform: not erryone is ready to mentally check outta the reich and into the reality where 100% of the academics have to be shot before anything worth calling 'science' is again possible.
punkman: Ioannidis reproducibility paper is a good starting point for the uninitiated
punkman: re:medicine, I've long come to the conclusion that most doctors are not particularly smart, and they give zero fucks about updating their learnings.
punkman: easier to arrive at above, when you go to dozen doctors, do all the tests, and best diagnosis you get is "idiopathic pain"/"are you sure you are not imagining it?"
punkman: still, I hope not all avenues of inquiry are as plagued as medicine/psychiatry/computer-science. I wonder how bad could the literature be, say in "metallurgy".
punkman: feeling a sort of reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. why should I expect "metallurgy" not be full of bozos?
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050664 << good example of "didn't find out, after all". what did we "find out later" about 9/11? even talking about it 20 years later, sort of makes you a weirdo
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 14:19:34 punkman: there's a lot of "will found out later" going around, kinda worried we actually won't "find out later" for a lot of it
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 23:07:39 asciilifeform: it's the current-day equiv. of 'mno, jet fuel dun melt steel'
punkman: and I fully expect the "war on respiratory virii" to go about as well as the "war on terror"
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051273 << the paper, should be mandatory reading for anyone involved in research
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 02:06:48 punkman: Ioannidis reproducibility paper is a good starting point for the uninitiated
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051259 << I had assumed that all RSS feeds would be listed with the newsest items first, but it looks like yours is listed the other way around?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 01:27:12 verisimilitude: Does scoopbot know me?
PeterL: so yes, it is looking at http://verisimilitudes.net/rss.xml but the first thing listed is from last January
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1051250 << well, I diversify my reading to minimize 'coyote treads air off cliff' phenomenon in case some 21st-century grothendieck burns down the house of bourbaki; and this has led me to wading in parallel through a bunch of texts
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 23:57:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050862 << asciilifeform admits that he's at a loss re wai adlai wants to reopen that wound and aint satisfied w/ 'tex'
adlai: my reactions, in roughly chronological order: gallian, writing in english words and numbers: good;
adlai: munkres, writing in english and simple line diagrams: good;
adlai: ... translator's butchery of vinogradov, apparently typeset by mechanical means: cto za tex!?
adlai: so, my puerile sadism in the specific case of 'typeset mathematics' boils down to, in response to alf's response to mp's "why hieroglyphs?", that mathematics's complexity deserves hieroglyphs, is that the hieroglyphs don't actually reduce any complexity. they only hide it.
adlai encountered another megab00k on topology that the author gives away for free, in warez form on his site ; and was quite amused to read, in the frontmatters, that the author writes in raw tex for precision of hieroglyph locations.
adlai: fwiw, while I have not ever sent anything in for publication, and submitted almost no homework to the mathematics department in my semester there, I did actually typeset my QM homework
adlai even has physical copy of 'texbook' !
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051277 << there are socially-styled meritocracies (e.g. medicine, Your Honor, etc), and there are "fuck up and die" professions
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 02:46:42 punkman: feeling a sort of reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. why should I expect "metallurgy" not be full of bozos?
adlai: now, editor of a 5Kg monograph on metallurgy, whose work primarily consisted of farming out peer review to professors specializing in each different niche -- sure, might be a glorified secretary
adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051282 << ty for link; my previous reading on this general topic was a little booklet titled "The Overproduction of Truth"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 06:36:56 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051273 << the paper, should be mandatory reading for anyone involved in research
punkman: adlai: another classic for you https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/
adlai: [ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051299 >> already located in the library of babylon! http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=71F05654B2DDF9F4C7F4E6FCBF9ECD2A ]
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:23:06 adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051282 << ty for link; my previous reading on this general topic was a little booklet titled "The Overproduction of Truth"
adlai: the journal.plos.org article webpage is a bit of a rabbithole... has its own comment section!
punkman: heh, gov/isp is blocking that domain
adlai: typo; journals.plos.org
adlai is referring to the previous link
punkman: https://z-lib.org/ finds unblocked domain for you, in case anyone needs
adlai: rofl 'gravitational challenge'
adlai: it's not the phree fall that kills you, it's the sudden newtonian bill at the end
asciilifeform: punkman: dun seem to load here
adlai: "/pmc/articles/PMC300808/" path goes to nifty HTML5 web viewer, 'Pubreader' ; luddites might prefer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/pdf/32701459.pdf
thestringpuller: billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050543 << they make it sound this way; all this does is increase crime for in person cash transactions
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-06 13:14:27 billymg: thestringpuller: the infrastructure bill will require a TRB V patch that implements KYC/AML data collection upon initial startup of your node (to be stored with ClearPassID™). if you don't comply apple will "find" illegal photos on your phone and an Amazon Community Safety™ drone (with taser attachment) will be sent to your location
adlai: fwiw, it's cool that the authors of the parachute meta-study managed to get a negative result published
thestringpuller: mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050546 << i don't even think they are trying to hide the artificial floors on things like cryptopunks and bored apes; they've gone full ponzi with the guise of collectibles.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-06 17:02:04 mats: hopefully nfts get regulated and there are knock on effects for the broader art industry
thestringpuller: this exact thing happened in the 90s with comics, Stan Lee issues of spider-man were selling for 200x original price, and with Marvel being bankrupt over printed the comics and created this weird "tulip mania" within comics from 1992-2006;
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051311 << ~now~ worx, go figure. by all indications, ddos
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:36:20 asciilifeform: punkman: dun seem to load here
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 02:18:10 punkman: easier to arrive at above, when you go to dozen doctors, do all the tests, and best diagnosis you get is "idiopathic pain"/"are you sure you are not imagining it?"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051276 << recent bridge & other structure collapses suggest that the pattern holds there.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 02:37:40 punkman: still, I hope not all avenues of inquiry are as plagued as medicine/psychiatry/computer-science. I wonder how bad could the literature be, say in "metallurgy".
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051278 << the known-even-to-rubes traditional example in usa is the death of kennedy.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 06:14:47 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050664 << good example of "didn't find out, after all". what did we "find out later" about 9/11? even talking about it 20 years later, sort of makes you a weirdo
asciilifeform: the ~original~ '9/11', where the Official truth wasn't even trying very hard to hold water, and anyone questioning written off immediately as 'nutter' and consequently banned from 'respectable' sphere
thimbronion: Relatedly I'm "reading" a biography of Dulles at the moment.
asciilifeform: in sovok at the time , already there was an established meme of 'вялотекущая шизофрения' ('sluggish schizophrenia') : convenient diagnosis for packing dissenters off to asylum. in usa lizards decided they needed an analogous item. hence now can go and read about 'conspiratorial thinking' and the 'mental disorders' which cause it etc
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-11-12 mircea_popescu: the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing.
thimbronion: It's entertaining to read this from the perspective of a nazi-hating libertard. Dulles is framed as being a bad guy because he tried to work with the Nazis before/after the end of the war.
thimbronion: Meanwhile commie state dept. employees collaborating with the SU are just free spirits that got caught up in the times.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: that ~all~ of these served lizards, faithfully, is somehow lost on folx.
asciilifeform: ( why e.g. h. ford built factories in su ? profitable. )
asciilifeform: thimbronion: dulles for his part was working for same folx who had commissioned and funded hitler to begin with.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: any thoughts on Nuremburg? Greatest fraud of all time? Legit? Somewhere in between?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: Oh yeah. Started out as a Wall St. lawyer.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: fraud from virtually any possible pov.
asciilifeform: and in fact foundational event in the creation of the current reich.
thimbronion: Obscene to think of the Dresden/A-bombers prosecuting the Nazis for war crimes.
thimbronion: As if there could be such a thing as a war crime.
thimbronion: It makes a mockery of the judicial system.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: imho is important to remember that totalitarianism won the war, and in fact 'won' the century, for what imho were fundamental civilizational-stage reasons.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-05-04 ascii_field: 'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, ‘History stopped in 1936’, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 16:57:15 asciilifeform: the totalitarian philosophy (yes) is that 'the natural human bottom-up norms suck, let's force new ones by royal decree and enforce with ubiquitous surveillance, snitch culture, and draconian punishments' approx.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:10:43 asciilifeform: a more compact statement of the key idea, for impatient folx, is in orwell's 'you and the atomic bomb'.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051323 << aren't these usually old and unmaintained bridges though? not much of metallurgy issue
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:51:36 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051276 << recent bridge & other structure collapses suggest that the pattern holds there.
asciilifeform: punkman: not always.
mats: i don't think there were any failures of engineering per se, but contractors taking shortcuts and corruption
punkman: the recent Arecibo collapse was a fun one.
asciilifeform: mats: i won't pretend to know for certain. but not inclined to believe any or all aspects of the Official troof.
mats: the usual problems that plague american infrastructure projects
mats: big dig, second ave extension, california hsr, etc... massive budget overruns, years long delays, dozens of no-show jobs to pay stooges
asciilifeform: mats: structures collapsing ~2y after construction is something i associate with the time of hammurabi ( 'If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death...' ) than current day
mats: i like the 'if you water down the beer, its the funeral pyre for you' provision
asciilifeform: imho a very sane, reasonable document as a whole.
mats: i expect lots of the people involved at the top are already in their 50s and 60s, and if they build a structure meant to last 50 years with shortcuts that result in collapse at 20, there's no practical consequences
mats: the clever ones have already redistributed their wealth to family, and in the west, there's no punishing the son for sins of the father
asciilifeform: mats: there's a key term in ru ( orlov tried to translate as 'enpoorment' )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-03-19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation)
asciilifeform: where lizards slowly 'boiling the frog' to wind down the plebes' expectations in life to correspond to the meager crumbs they are to be given.
asciilifeform: going with this, i fully expect that 'sudden' structural collapses of public buildings will be slowly 'normalized' in the reich.
asciilifeform: 'was bad luck!'
asciilifeform: 'could not be helped!'
mats: in my wot there's a guy who embezzled low seven digits from a nonprofit org for a decade, raised three kids and some grandkids with the money, a dozen time shares and luxury cars etc... he got pinned up recently and will only do four years in club fed -- and almost certainly less due old age and infirmities like declining eyesight etc
mats: kids went to ivies on that money, feds only clawed back a buncha houses he bought with the bezzle, he basically got away with the crime
asciilifeform: mats: aha, and then 'bleeding heart' morons in usa stare with dropped jaws when in e.g. cn corrupt officials had their families beheaded next to them
mats: kushner style theft
asciilifeform: simple formula : benefited? -> accomplice.
asciilifeform: in ru ~100% of bribe-taking officials have their mansions, rolls royces, etc. written in a wife's/brother's/etc name
asciilifeform: mats: re: the embezzler -- important to realize that if he was the 'correct' type, then in reich he dun really count as a thief. (and fat chance that he would have been put in charge of such a fund if were ~not~ the Right Type)
asciilifeform: so in fact it was peccadillo.
asciilifeform: hence the light punishment.
mats: whats funny is that the entire scheme rested on a slightly different org name, he conned the money from a rich idiot trying to donate to the org
mats: all of this was done in the public eye, visible for anyone who wanted to look
asciilifeform: now otoh if you or i caught e.g. running a gox 'without a license' -- 20 to life !
asciilifeform: in all reichs, the only real crime is to impinge on the prerogatives of the great inca.
asciilifeform: plebe usurpers -- beheaded.
mats: a good personal reminder that money spent unseen and at great distances is a real liability
asciilifeform: mats: reich 'charity orgs' are a combo of chump moneys collector and laundry for elite.
asciilifeform: (incl. 'merit washing' of offspring)
mats: his son is a real piece of work, has a promising future as a joshua kushner
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051293 << if you recall, d.knuth on many occasions stated that this was the whole fucking point! of tex. (i.e. so that author can be own typesetter, and not 'play broken telephone' with graphics folx who don't know shit from shinola in mathematics)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:13:11 adlai: encountered another megab00k on topology that the author gives away for free, in warez form on his site ; and was quite amused to read, in the frontmatters, that the author writes in raw tex for precision of hieroglyph locations.
mats: and maybe a jared, in 30 years
asciilifeform: mats: surely.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051313 << lizards make no secret of their intention to eventually abolish paper money. ( but for various reasons not done, quite yet, it is a useful 'unprincipled exception' in various places )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:38:12 thestringpuller: billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050543 << they make it sound this way; all this does is increase crime for in person cash transactions
mats: its a hard sell in the us, like a quarter of the population is un- or underbanked
asciilifeform: mats: gotta luvv this term. sorta like when in 20y it becomes expected to have a usg camera in yer bathroom, folx w/out one will be called 'undercameraed'
mats: maybe usps offices will return to being nexuses of commerce once the e-dollar materializes
asciilifeform: mats: i might've previously posed this q, but, what precisely is the diff b/w this hypothetical 'e-dollar' and the usual ach/wire/visa/paypalism we already have ?
mats: settlement speed
asciilifeform: i.e. slow an' painful, like a shitcoin ?
mats: e-dollar will be faster settlement, i.e. finality, where what we've largely got now gets batched up and takes days to clear
mats: minor addition, usg has been rolling out real time payments (RTP) protocol, seen in venmo/paypal etc with 1% rakes
mats: just checked, fee is now 0.5% capped at $15 per tx
asciilifeform: mats: visa takes what, 10s to clear ?
asciilifeform: why to rebuild visa ?
mats: and for blockchains, https://medium.com/@nic__carter/its-the-settlement-assurances-stupid-5dcd1c3f4e41
scoopbot: New post on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: The Earliest English Elision Dictionary
asciilifeform: mats: it still aint clear to me why (aside from straight misdirection-via-names fraud) the fiatists want to bake permissioned shitcoins (and call e.g. 'e-dollar') vs. simply building a variant of visa w/out chargebacks. (as for instance already exists in 'swift')
mats: increasing velocity of money/trade settlement is a big deal and a long time coming, probably spurred on by chinese innovation in the space: wechat pay, alipay leapt right over the credit card system
asciilifeform: mats: they're 'innovations' the way 19th c. 'patent medicines' were innovations in pharma.
asciilifeform: or the umpteenth gox 'innovation in bitcoin' etc
punkman: read something along these lines recently: "underbanked is an archaic term these days, the growing demographic is the formerly-banked"
mats: there's no "vs", it amounts to the same thing with more features
mats: the specific kind of features useful to central planners
asciilifeform: mats: i regard the use of 'cryptocoin' verbiage and eschafaudage in these schemes as a theft.
asciilifeform: they're simply paypals.
asciilifeform: lulzy piece from www mats linked where derp proposes , without mincing words, ethertardization of bitcoin and Official miner reich, with rollbacks etc
asciilifeform: 'Previous hashers will be granted conditional amnesty if they agree to fully comply with the SRO’s mandates on an ongoing basis, subject to a probationary period' and other lulz. rec to read whole thing.
asciilifeform: prepare bucket for barf.
mats: his career has been in fiat banking, he's still unlearning some of those habits
punkman: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/crypto "Crypto for the people"!
asciilifeform: mats: reads a little like an apr 1 piece. but not apr1
mats: 'dave is a lawyer, but we won't hold that against him' kind of thing
punkman: "Checking out with crypto is a taxable transaction
punkman: - Because it’s an asset, it will first be sold whenever you checkout with crypto and the cash will be used to pay the merchant. You have to report any gains or losses on the crypto sale on your taxes. PayPal will provide necessary 1099 forms when you sell cryptocurrency."
mats: you laugh, but probably three nines of adopters in the last ten years don't want to have anything to do with being their own custodian
mats: and i don't really blame them, its not easy or obvious
asciilifeform: punkman: see also lol.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 13:00:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-23#1037440 << reminds me of the czech tale where the princess asks about a suitor : 'is he young?' 'nope, he's old' 'is he at least kind?' 'no, he's the meanest old man alive' 'old and mean! ain't he the ideal groom!'
asciilifeform: 'does it let you spend btc w/out giving 50% to usg?' 'fuck no, lol, what have you been smoking' ... 'does it give better exch rate than gox, at least?' 'mno, wtf' ...
mats: yeah, the spread is ridiculous
signpost: goes back to the farming thread; folks are wired to be farmed thus.
asciilifeform: mats: i defo grasp that there's 1e7 halfwits who think they want to 'use bitcoin' (whatever they imagine it to be) but don't want to figure out scary complicated things like, ohnoez, installing a noad
asciilifeform: for these, there will always be a gox to 'part fool from his money'
mats: well, there's plenty of discussion in the logs about how shit bitcoin is
asciilifeform: because the 'gnarly, scary' work aint actually optional
mats: so empathy is possible, in theory
asciilifeform: mats: even supposing the proggy were 100% bug-free and reliable. fundamentally the folx who are not ready to hold own keys , without a usg escrow -- cattle.
signpost: isn't even so bad. them holding pseudobtc is marginally better than them holding usd.
asciilifeform: signpost: not sure that i agree. at least when you hold usd at a usg.bank, you know what yer signing up for
signpost: not for them. I don't see any harm, and some possible benefit to this enriching Brian Armstrong, who I'd be shocked if isn't accumulating the real thing.
asciilifeform: whereas a gox.holder may be under the notion that he has coin, that it cannot be taken away, or suddenly evaporate, etc
mats: armstrong is a tool afaict
signpost: been calling coinbase a gox for quite some time. it still stands.
asciilifeform: signpost: very difficult to know who 'holds actual coin' unless you know him personally and ~very~ close friend..
signpost: if/when usd dies, perhaps it'll be more apparent.
mats: but definitely very good for thiel, armstrong, bankman-fried, winklevii, all the other would-be jack mas of the west
mats: biden/usg doesn't have the juice to step on them like beijing stepped on alibaba and tencent
asciilifeform: mats: bitcoinism does not, as i understand, make nearly as much difference for oligarch as for human. oligarch even prior to bitcoin was able to buy picassos, etc. which behaved quite similarly to bitcoin in re inflation-shield
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-03-22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible << i'd argue that picassos are more or less 'analogue bitcoin' for the ultra-bezzlerich. hence my interest in the linked turd
mats: picassos require sovereigns with guns to defend freeports
signpost: it wont elevate them, but it's something to hold onto if the others fall.
mats: the endless work of ICIJ has shown even many of those sovereigns are actually subordinate, like tribal reservations in the us
signpost: I imagine being close to the oil machine wasn't a bad thing for RU oligarchs post-91?
asciilifeform: mats: the oligarchs, approximately, ~are~ said sovereigns.
mats: i don't imagine putin, david cameron's father, other oligarchs, were very pleased to see their books splayed out for all to see
asciilifeform: mats: consider, tho, how much diff. it makes to'em ?
asciilifeform: what would it do for mats to have direct access to 'putin's books' ?
mats: it matters to putin at least, can't be out there showing off multi billion dollar estates and offshored bank accounts while many russians live in the mud
mats: also apparently matters to beijing, which has spent the last year successfully muscling chinese corporate elites into making billions of dollars worth of donations for the perceived public good
asciilifeform: mats: you'd be surprised at what openly appears in ru tabloids. ~all about (of various authenticity' 'putin's yacht', 'putin's bunker', etc.
asciilifeform: these -- largely fictional; but those of his viziers -- rather well-flaunted
mats: management of public perception of wealth inequality isn't worth 0, even if you and i can't discernably tell how it moves the plebe rage needle
asciilifeform: mats: it strikes me as possible that cn is trying to copy usg reich's 'charity' scheme
asciilifeform: (i.e. 'publicly-innocuous' meritwash sinecures for offspring and de-jure 'given away' but de-facto inherited fortunes )
punkman: related to "very difficult to know who 'holds actual coin'", lots (most?) of the top addresses aren't moving and owner is unknown
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-31 18:18:58 punkman: https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html
mats: hard to tell whether china is progressing, if at all, on implementation of rule of law, rather than rule by men, which would enable these structures
asciilifeform: mats: do you seriously believe in the religion of 'rule of law' ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-02-16 05:04:41 asciilifeform: d00dz were fapping to 'rule of law', so i linked'em to the canonical likbez. this proved too large a stone to swallow .
mats: i think its on a continuum, and that it still exists in some places, yeah
asciilifeform: mats: i suspect that the item folx erroneously refer to as 'rule of law' is simply political stability/predictability.
mats: legal and political stability/predictability is crucial to commerce
asciilifeform: somehow the old silk road managed w/out
mats: its what made hk the gateway into china, dependable commercial courts
asciilifeform: merchants were accustomed to all kinds of seemingly 'intolerable', e.g. highway robberies
asciilifeform: mats: i thought it was euro gunship-diplomacy
asciilifeform: i.e. extraterritorial courts
mats: for the same reason why delaware is so important
mats: decades of established precedent, competent magistrates, efficient and speedy proceedings largely free of political intervention
asciilifeform: mats: not aware that much other than corp regs takes place in delaware. ( asciilifeform regularly goes there, it's a mournful shithole )
mats: the silk road managed without because of the great riches available, but cash and carry is undeniably high friction
mats: reliable courts in stable jurisdictions enables, among many other things, creation of credit that greases commerce
asciilifeform: mats: right, but it's a ~visible~ friction. whereas in a jurisdiction like hk, you don't get to see all the people who simply don't get to participate because 'did not choose their parents carefully'. that stability and 'history of precedents' has its down sides.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-03-05 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-08-22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044114 - ergo, 'this vermeer, in the gallery of our esteemed lord rothchild, is genuine. this picasso, in the suitcase of this ragged thief and scoundrel, is most certainly questionable.'
asciilifeform: is rather analogous to children's game 'musical chairs'.
mats: not like any idiot with a horse and cart could participate in the silk road anyway
asciilifeform: if yer in a chair -- no, let's not have anymoar music.
asciilifeform: mats: idiot maybe not, but if you could muster a caravan, did not have to get permission from anyone in particular to play.
asciilifeform: nor be 'of right family'
mats: any decent sized commerce requires credit, food, pack animals, men, arms, relationships with trustworthy merchants and brokers
asciilifeform: mats: surely.
mats: this amounts to 'right family' with some small margin of error
asciilifeform not claiming that 'any beggar could'. but that there's important diff b/w 'stability' of today's moribund inca empire, and life of ancient merchants
asciilifeform: where sometimes merchant could alternate roles even with brigand.
mats: i don't especially see the appeal of the latter
asciilifeform: mats: fwiw asciilifeform suspects it's a factory jumper setting and generally not changes during life
mats: in some corners of the world, we do see that, with physical (naval) piracy, and virtual (former sov state sanctioned) piracy
asciilifeform: how you see pirate depends much on who you identify with, pirate? or victim ?
asciilifeform: what side of the 'stability' knife you fall on.
mats: ok, privateer, whatever you like stan
asciilifeform: mats: not aware of privateers in the 17th c sense having made comeback yet
asciilifeform: ( have they ? )
asciilifeform: 'a letter of marque came from the king, for the scummiest vessel i've ever seen...'(tm)(r)
mats: what about all the russian speaking artists, probably led by moonlighting fsb officers, who've been making runs at western electronic systems?
asciilifeform: mostly (tho not entirely) fictions created by reich 'seekoority experts' to justify 1) net totalitarianisms 2) gigabux into 'security biz'
asciilifeform: see e.g. krebs.
asciilifeform: mandatory reading: On the Matter of Brian Krebs..
mats: i understand attribution is difficult, but the fourteen eyes still have a unique, panopticon view of the planetary network
asciilifeform: mats: observe that it wasn't putin & co which gave us mswin & the associated ecosystem of liquishitware
asciilifeform: or for that matter poetteringware, chromism, etc
mats: i don't buy this "mostly", or even "majority" assignment to the fiction
asciilifeform: all of these collectively constitute the ~real~ 'cyberattack'.
mats: its asymmetrically effective, of course moscow would do it
asciilifeform: mats: unless you actually sit in the throne room of the 'eyes', you (or i for that matter) have no reliable info re their doings other than what they (and their hangouts, e.g. snowden pseudoleak) choose to feed to the public.
asciilifeform: btw of course moscow employs mswin rootkit artists, vuln diggers, etc. -- as does erry major crown. but they work at considerable disadvantage vs usg's, after all microshit, the pki hucksters, 'responsible' vuln reportage houses, etc. are in usa, not in ru.
asciilifeform: imho it is rather like when su built a ruinously expensive copy of usg 'space shuttle'. (incidentally the roof in the 'indiajones warehouse' housing this artifact, recently caved in, burying the machine + a janitor..)
asciilifeform: gorby assumed 'if usa built -- must be useful'
asciilifeform: (or, by some accounts, the order to do so was simply relayed through his cia stooge lips w/out thinking)
asciilifeform: usg traditionally quite good at this technique -- get opponent into a pyramid-building pissing contest
mats: well, there is the benefit of de facto letters of marque by belarusian, russian, moldovan etc authorities that enable them to hit western targets without threat of police or military action
asciilifeform: iirc cn was coaxed into starting construction of aircraft carriers, for instance ( mats might be able to find where this went? )
mats: all i know is the retrofits of russian shitcakes, the liaoning or whatevers
asciilifeform: mats: lemme ask, do you suppose e.g. the blacks of bmore 'red zone' streets have 'letter of marque' from usg , to do their robberies & arsons ?
asciilifeform: or simply tolerated because whynot
mats: er, soviet cakes, i guess
asciilifeform: right, iirc they started with a junkyard one from late su
mats: baltimore street gangs have intl dope connections, but its not the same thing, nobody's apparently sending soldiers to hit mexican gas pipelines
asciilifeform: mats: but returning to ru spammers etc -- why do you assume that they necessarily pay into the treasury in moscow, a la 17th c privateer? can maybe think of another reason why ru would not participate in reich's extradition circus ?
asciilifeform: ( btw ru will not extradite. just like france does not. but somehow no whining in fishwraps about how france 'impedes justice' )
mats: i did say moonlighting fsb officers, ~somebody~ in the umbrella org is directing and deescalating these efforts
asciilifeform: mats: what i was getting at, is that this is not a necessary hypothesis.
asciilifeform: it is again the thinking from pov of 'stability' as an abstract good.
asciilifeform: it aint somehow a 'rising tide which floats all boats', that's the thing.
asciilifeform: ru does not win from trying to participate in a usg-led 'international order'. under eltsin earnestly tried, just about turned into a rhodesia.
asciilifeform: 'rule of law' is bunkum (incidentally putin has a trademarked slogan, 'dictatorship of the law', which he pushes cynically like troo bunkum artist, the chumpers eat it up)
asciilifeform: ( whereas in reality, mussolini's quip holds )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-28 11:53:09 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-28#1027392 << establishment mouthpieces always follow, if not explicitly state, mussolini's 'for us and ours -- everything; for others -- the law'. recall for instance the 'lisp is slow'(tm) folx who carefully set up discussion so that unix load time not counted, but cl runtime's -- is, or pretend that year is 1960
asciilifeform: 'the law' exists strictly and exclusively for the peasant. in all times/places.
whaack: peterl: your blog is inacessible to me
asciilifeform: 'stability' is a++ great if yer well-positioned in life, and if not, then not so great, i'd've thought is rather obv., this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 17:34:07 verisimilitude: I vaguely remember my disappointment at realizing this so-called pandemic was fake, and not something which would kill hundreds of millions, perhaps leaving more room for me.
asciilifeform: whaack: https://peterl.xyz ? seems to be down
asciilifeform: ^ PeterL ?
PeterL: needs no s, use http://peterl.xyz
asciilifeform: still nope
PeterL: hmm, I see it from here
asciilifeform: PeterL: dnsism dun resolve
asciilifeform: maybe expired ?
PeterL: maybe? I will look into it
PeterL: Looks like I had it pointing at the qntra nameserver, is that down now? bingoboingo
asciilifeform: oh hey the old qntra finally RIP. ( asciilifeform's mirror covers, fortunately, entirety of it ! )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-06 16:13:25 asciilifeform: davout: fwiw i've a full mirror of qntra (orig. is still alive, but was on mp-controlled domain, so i expect will turn into goatse at some point)
PeterL: should be fixed now, once DNS propagates.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.172s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.207s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.276s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.617s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003
asciilifeform: !q seen cgra
dulapbot: cgra last seen here on 2021-08-01 16:11:10: i said it confusingly, i meant <1000 sats is a no-go, but 1000...9999 is 'a maybe', and >=10000 is 'no questions asked'
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
whaack: cgra: any chance you're working on the patches for the problems you've discovered?
mats: asciilifeform: i can understand why you think so, but there is a commercially, visibly preferable (to corps) gradient between rule of law and rule of man
mats: which is why not all that much actual intl commerce happens in ru, beyond the cash and carry trades for gas and oil products
mats: and yes, sanctions don't help, of course
verisimilitude: I fixed mine RSS issue by having the feed contain only the newest entry; this seems elegant.
mats: nor do i believe the electronic piracy is being ~centrally~ directed and managed, but i do expect there's kill switches in the form of assets that de facto report to fsb handler(s), because imho there's no benefit to killing the host while there's still meat and blood to be had
mats: straddling the line between 'ok, we'll let it ride' and 'the colonial pipeline is so egregious that usg feels it has no choice but public and devastating reprisals, or else a perceived loss of sovereignty'
mats: at the risk of repeating myself, stopping short of 'cyberwar', just extraordinary acts of espionage
mats: anyway, rule of law isn't necessary for commerce per se, but for as long and wherever it exists, its preferable to rule of man
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051579 << it's a petrostan. rather like e.g. qatar. and previously, in eltsin period was simply a 'free-for-all' neocolonial paradise for western vultures.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 17:25:58 mats: which is why not all that much actual intl commerce happens in ru, beyond the cash and carry trades for gas and oil products
asciilifeform: so, given that ~0 meaningfully exportable manufacture there, and that ru aint part of the lizard chrematist 'financial' reich, big fat unsurprise that 'not much commerce but in minerals.'
asciilifeform: has exactly 0 to do with 'rule of law' or lack thereof
asciilifeform: ( ru's is approx. on-par with cn's afaik )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051583 << asciilifeform said it 'over 9000' times and will say again -- 'cyberwar'(tm)(r)(c) exists and will exist for exactly so long as usg's imposition of microshitware carries on, and not a nanosecond longer.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 17:33:00 mats: straddling the line between 'ok, we'll let it ride' and 'the colonial pipeline is so egregious that usg feels it has no choice but public and devastating reprisals, or else a perceived loss of sovereignty'
asciilifeform: there is no such thing as 'cyberattack'. there is only vulns in 'victim''s own arse.
asciilifeform: rather like how Software Does Not Fail -- software cannot be 'attacked'.
asciilifeform: it's either correct or broken.
asciilifeform: pretense to the contrary is politically expedient, yes, and nearly universal in the Official lugenpress and 'security' racket. changes nothing.
verisimilitude: It's amazing the insane times we live in: Men pretend to be women, most software doesn't work, etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051585 << all rule is rule of man. inanimate objects cannot rule.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 17:37:53 mats: anyway, rule of law isn't necessary for commerce per se, but for as long and wherever it exists, its preferable to rule of man
asciilifeform: ( when in given context you are 'ruled' by laws of physics -- typically we use another word )
verisimilitude: Yes, like ``splat''.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: pretense and organized lie goes with civilization just like smog and plague.
verisimilitude: I'm still waiting for the plague.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'plague' in broad sense. not necessarily a baccilus.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-08 23:14:51 asciilifeform: mats: lemme ask you , did any of these people spend time studying ~why~ modern man even ~needs~ oncology treatments ?
asciilifeform: ( or even see e.g. mp's piece re subj )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-06-11 mircea_popescu: hence http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051555 << PeterL it still dun load ftr
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 15:36:51 PeterL: should be fixed now, once DNS propagates.
PeterL: apparently DNS takes some time to propagate?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051305 << btw speaking of 'great firewalls' and pills against same, oblig spam!: get rk at asciilifeform's isp! i've 17 rk in stock!
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-09 12:32:37 punkman: heh, gov/isp is blocking that domain
asciilifeform: ( naturally only pill for orcistani blacklist , rather than usg )
PeterL: instead of a vps its a pps (physical private server)?
asciilifeform: PeterL: correct
mats: colo (colocated) is the term of art
mats: ...i think
asciilifeform: mats: colo, traditionally, is when the customer brings own irons
mats: its still basically a vps, but no hypervisor
asciilifeform: mats: whence the 'v' ?
asciilifeform: just 'ps'.
asciilifeform does not offer any multi-user boxes, such as the 'kolhoz for noobs' which existed at piz
mats: maybe 'managed bare metal'? not sure what others call it
whaack: asciilifeform: speaking of which , not sure exactly when my lease runs out but i think it's soon, i'm happy to renew
asciilifeform: mats: in what sense 'managed' ?
mats: you or a dc employee can still power it down
asciilifeform: mats: in that sense all hosting outside of your own desk similarly 'managed', lol
mats: i'm just trying to find the pidgin for whatever it is
asciilifeform: mats: 'colocation' -- you park box, vendor supplies mains current, cooling, network.
whaack: thimbronion: how is your colo'd box in CR doing?
asciilifeform: mats: 'dedicated hosting' -- vendor supplies machine (lease) , current, cooling, network
thimbronion: whaack: no issues so far
mats: ah thats it
asciilifeform: whaack: 16 aug. pgpgram asciilifeform re term you'd like to renew for, will answr w/ addr, ty
asciilifeform: whaack: 2021 prices.
asciilifeform: mats: i offer both types. as previously discussed, it is impossible to prevent landlord from stealing irons; however asciilifeform does make use of custom tamper indicators in his cage & its contents.
asciilifeform: the precise nature of these, the intervals at which inspected, etc. will not be disclosed. cuz 'none of anyone's biz'.
asciilifeform: so far asciilifeform has no complaints of ~this~ nature about the current landlord. ( all complaints rather re 'coarse errors of pilotage' , e.g. on 1 occasion they pulled wrong lever in the battery room... etc )
asciilifeform: if there's a '100% uptime' dc somewhere on planet3 --- 1) asciilifeform doesn't know where it is 2) can bet that it costs considerably moar than asciilifeform is paying
asciilifeform: current stats, informally.
asciilifeform: last known (to asciilifeform) failure was on 29 dec. 2020 . (mains current; attrib. to sched. maint.)
whaack: !e uptime
trbexplorer: whaack: time since my last reconnect : 21d 4h 29m
whaack: asciilifeform: noted, will do
asciilifeform: whaack: ty
bingoboingo: Sorry, my bad. I was consolidating servers and... overlooked the DNS
bingoboingo: Names resolve, sorry PeterL
asciilifeform: wb bingoboingo
thimbronion: Successfully tested gossip style message relaying between three nodes. More testing to do wrt dedup detection, but should be able to publish the changes soon.