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asciilifeform: punkman: poor man's au, lol
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $60588.55
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707583
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707583
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.173s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707359
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.148s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.153s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707268 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.239s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.227s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.254s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707399
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.355s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.584s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707583
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
punkman: these seem handy if you wanna steal neighbor's electricity
vex: Why not start looking around for coins sitting there for the taking, rather than hedging 1%? You needn't be crafting 100m flashloans to find stuff that isn't glued down
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 14:20:55 mats: depending on the battle among the 'smart contract' stupids ethereum, cardano, solana, etc, considering hedging 1% on the strongest contender in a future bear market
signpost: sitting where?
mats: smart contracts presumably
vex: there's a new dex, token, chain!? every minute, there's always arbitage opportunity for instance
mats: these swap platforms keep getting pwned though
vex: true dat
signpost: point of money was always to give myself time to think. I don't want these turds taking up head-space.
vex: that's a good point, it could easily be a slippery slope into full blown huffer
signpost: eh, less concerned with that, just that one dies eventually, and doesn't get the time back.
vex: you're a lot mellower these days sign
mats: there's definitely money in defi but i don't know where the sharks are
mats: less exposure involved in simpler things like gemini's interest account products for bitcoins and stablecoins
vex: start with 0 mats, then who cares if sharks
mats: i mean risk, not exposure
signpost: I figure by the time I hear about a shitcoin, or some yield-farming scheme, the rug's already being pulled
mats: gemini usd and tether rehypothecation has reliably been 7-8% interest for many years
signpost: mats: I've considered the gemini thing, but unclear why they're still operating but coinbase got stopped
mats: its not insured or anything, but at that return it looks less risky than a REIT
mats: gemini is onshore and relatively transparent, they're not likely running away
signpost: I'm more getting at "oops SEC fined us, money's all gone"
signpost: anyway, I'm bad at finance, just born at the right time.
mats: you're right, sec is selectively enforcing
signpost: vex: re "mellow", who doesn't like watching the empire burn.
vex: lol
mats: celsius and nexo have also been targeted for enforcement action recently
vex: all this smart contract defi shit is super scriptkiddiesque
mats: blockfi also, but not gemini
signpost: as said the other day and for years in tmsr, the blockchain has to interface with the real world at some point (through humans) no matter how complicated you make using UTXOs with scripts.
signpost: real reason to do this is to create complexity which manufactures crises which cause node operators of a chain to rely upon "updates" from a development team
signpost: it centralizes.
vex: what are the barriers to bringing up a whole supply chain for chips?
vex: I'g guessing a job on the line at TSMC would be somewhat prestegious, not any bozo will do
mats: expertise and money
vex: 52bn not enough, and all the expertise is elsewhere
mats: usg has been trying to bully s. korea and tw into technology transfers, ie, https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1013072.html
vex: customer lists?! that's like they want to know who's buying what, rather than being able to make their own shit
mats: i couldn't find a complete list anywhere, but daimler and bmw have also received the demand
vex: meh, mebbe it's just a clickbait style tender process
vex: I'm tempted to respond. even tho I never got the email
vex: could be hilarious. gregory5, lil help making the technical chinglish sound believable?
punkman: this guy makes a lot of video about chip makers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8qIO6Ti_M
punkman: EU too retarded to fund a TSMC competitor
punkman: considering the top litho machines are made in Netherlands
vex: eu values private enterprise
vex: it's a pity that mp dissovled the co with alf. also a pity he thought xrays were a waste of time
vex: luckily, alf isn't now burdened with a co involving 400 bc of unobtanium
vex: almost like mp knew he would ak1200
vex: I like the idea of devlil's spinach. the shorthand'd be like devspi, or somesuch
vex: everything is easy bingoboingo, until you send a new thing to the great unwashed
vex: i grew some bikerweed from an errant seed in about 1996. just wow
vex: i think they were using mutagens
vex: fragile as fuck tho. despite it's octopus on octopus nature
vex: also, it smelled like a full tribe of orcs. you'd need to be a murderer to protak it
vex: i killed it
vex: accidentially. you can't cut the top off one of those. it's liek a palm tree
thimbronion: looks like therealbitcoin.org is gone
vex: was that jurov?
signpost: possibly not the domain registration
signpost: thebitcoin.foundation still up
vex: i prefer the later. .org meh
signpost kinda curious if tbf piggy, being mostly from mp, went to jurov's customers who were robbed by mp.
signpost: I wouldn't even fault it, not that it's any of my business.
vex: all this needs sorted
vex: cr set might wanna check on the gals. haven't blogged in a bit
vex: mebbe they go home to daddy
signpost farts his indifference
vex also farts, but it'as only the gut flora. ooh that;'s badf
vex: bingoboingo, have you got a visa for costa rica?
thimbronion: Is there a trick to pressing a genesis with v? Currently getting genesis not found in flow from vk.pl with a patches/genesis.vdiff file using the command vk.pl press dir genesis.
vex has visited slovakistan strip clubs. the bouncer can fuck right off
vex: grabbing vex by the throat is a bad ideA
vex: norway fogets that I invent stuff
vex: dear vex. you had some champagne. no I did not
vex: bae. shoosh
vex: welcome back jonsykkel
jonsykkel: thank u sir
vex: don't call me liek that
vex: r u retarded?
jonsykkel: selectively
vex: don't dot tha
jonsykkel: canot help
vex: you can talk to me like a same
vex: we're the saME
vex: you might be better
jonsykkel: im the best
vex: don't call me ser
jonsykkel: do u refuse the queens decision to knight u
vex: never
jonsykkel: good
vex: lizzie might be popping of soon enough
vex: *off
jonsykkel: we will see
vex: I liek yo ur queen
vex: heavy rope
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 20:52:57 signpost: possibly not the domain registration
asciilifeform: well, 2.
asciilifeform: ( not even stale, afaik jurov has not updated at all since i made it )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 21:31:15 scoopbot: New post on Thimbron: New Alcuin Release and Rename to Blatta
asciilifeform: gregory5: your comment is posted, ty
signpost: asciilifeform: iirc mp owned some of the domains, was curious if included this.
asciilifeform: signpost: not afaik
signpost: or maybe I'm thinking of qntra
asciilifeform: that was qntra.
asciilifeform 'prophetically' never once accepted any dnsisms from other people, incl. mp
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-31#1062487 << wtf is it ? the linked www mentions miners, but the box dun look like any such thing (rly, sits outdoors? and w/out any visible means of heat exchange)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 14:56:43 punkman: https://www.upstreamdata.ca/black-box-presale
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-31#1062496 << as i understand, mats simply likes gamble. nuffin wrong with that, if one understands what he's getting into, i suppose
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 18:02:15 signpost: point of money was always to give myself time to think. I don't want these turds taking up head-space.
asciilifeform: ( after mpex, i can't imagine that he dun understand )
signpost: sure, I've got shitcoins too, but low cost-basis in them
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-17 13:47:07 asciilifeform: shinohai: 1 of the reasons why scammers of this type are an 'attractive nuisance' is that folx come to believe -- quite mistakenly -- that e.g. 'next time i!!! might be the one to pick up that $mil as the thief drops it on its way out of a chump's pocket'.
signpost: but I took about five minutes seeing about jamming e.g. cardano "plutus" into my head before deciding wtf is the point
signpost: solidity, etc
signpost: to others with more patience, possibly lulz and what to arbitrage into btc. I'll cheer 'em on
asciilifeform: as i understand, the point is normally some variant of this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-18 21:00:06 asciilifeform: erryone wants to 'be satoshi'. how to achieve this if not by somehow replaying history with $perp at 'the center'.
signpost: yep, and also the shit-bolted-to-side-ism, probably trained into people via the patent system, marketing, whole shitty culture.
mats: i think there's value in a smart contract, if the instruction set is highly restricted
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-31#1062537 << vex you've said this 'over9000' times but i admit i dunget it. why pity? what was the amazing unrealized biz proposition there ? ~nobody wants to buy civilized irons at any commercially-practical price point.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 19:45:07 vex: it's a pity that mp dissovled the co with alf. also a pity he thought xrays were a waste of time
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 23:13:39 asciilifeform: is why, for instance, there are 'over 9000' whitening pseudo-trngs on the market today, but the only nonwhitening, shielded trng had print run of 200 , half of which was sold at the bankruptcy hammer
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-20 19:00:15 asciilifeform: it is also the case that rng as commercial product is a very questionable biz proposition. it takes quite a bit of 'adulthood' to even get to a place where you actually benefit from a 1000 $ rng. for instance, microshit victims dun really win anyffin from using whatever external rng.
signpost: if anything the need for BTC keys would've generated the demand for fg.
mats: some people on ethereum operate prediction markets like bitbet
asciilifeform: mats: do you use these ? what are they like ?
mats: i don't
asciilifeform: mats: why not ?
mats: i looked over the augur thing years ago and it looks reasonable
asciilifeform: mats: so why not used ?
signpost isn't saying that a simple scripting lang can't exist, and have useful features, but this is far away from BOLT A HASKELL TO EVERY OUTPUT
mats: i don't care for ethereum
signpost: or whatever, JS in the case of solidity
asciilifeform: signpost: i admit it still aint 100% clear to me what is gained from 'smart' instruction set in an altcoin
vex: go look. it's free
asciilifeform: ( imho even the classic bitcoin instr set is overcomplicated over9000x )
asciilifeform: vex: 'free if yer time has no value'(tm)(r)
vex: so true
vex: ie true dat
signpost: for most of the use-cases I am most interested in, the "oracle" which would provide inputs to the contract might as well be a system that just farts the transaction out when appropriate
asciilifeform: a la bitbet, aha
vex: if we've got tax worries we can design a trillion distant problems
vex: my own oravle defines the pice
asciilifeform: vex: '... if yer time has no value' is no mere rhetorical device from asciilifeform's pov. 'i could read about $reddicoin or i could instead run the taximeter and real dough'
asciilifeform: very much changes pov re ephemeral garbage.
vex: soon to be killegal
signpost: other features like being able to create sub-shitcoins will probably lead to "onoes blockchain too big, need to 'garbage collect'"
signpost: all of this history that happened in btc and went the right way went the wrong one in the rest.
signpost: (and btc lost much too, see: segwit)
asciilifeform: signpost: from asciilifeform's pov the segshit stuff is rather like barnacles on a tanker. the tanker duncare.
vex: now alf is stirring vex
signpost: sure, I'll laugh too if in 10yrs China decides it'd like to own all the anyonecanspend
vex: i'll follow a tanker where I wanna go
vex: script kiddie sibnce forever
vex: half handy at sambo too
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 20:54:18 signpost: kinda curious if tbf piggy, being mostly from mp, went to jurov's customers who were robbed by mp.
signpost: huh, look at that.
asciilifeform: ... even accumulated some bitcents since jurov's last statement.
vex: anyone qwho says they don't get seasick hasn't been outwater
asciilifeform would muchly prefer if jurov returned to life at least long enuff to part the piggy w/ somebody else ( any volunteers ? )
vex: he bought a castle at low price
asciilifeform: vex: iirc this was yrs ago
vex: i suspect he's allow visitation
asciilifeform: go, visit
vex: cunt's high in the montains. by boat wont vget anywhere close
mats: there's a game by a vietnamese studio called axie infinity with nfts and its very popular
vex: shit maty.
mats: its interesting that its worth like $8bn
signpost: mats: I would like to sell you d25dc7c5-4e99-443d-a68a-1884d741ec14 for 30ETH
signpost: vv rare
mats: you'll pay me 30ETH for that string? i accept
mats: i don't have to like it but there's definitely some kind of price for, say, the best and most legendary WoW game items
mats: but some people would say financialisation is the devil's handiwork
signpost: yeah I'm not criticizing anyone making money with devil's work.
signpost: but I don't personally want to fill my head with models of it.
signpost finishing a tour at an american megacorp, had enough of filling head with unwanted models.
asciilifeform aint even unsympathetic, in fact filled own head w/ unspeakable garbage for commercial works
asciilifeform working ~7d/wk naodays
signpost: woof, got end in sight?
asciilifeform: errything ends eventually.
signpost: lol yes, but you know, before that.
asciilifeform: gotta keep lights on until the quasi-mythical 'victory day' when exch rate grows that new 0
mats: lol
signpost: looking kinda like enough of the banker fucks will capitulate in such that we'll have a much bigger slice of the nothing pie before long.
mats: it seems like adoption is accelerating now
asciilifeform: mats: as you prolly noticed, this doesn't always translate to 'new 0s in btcusd'
mats: in the 200 odd countries without strong local currencies
signpost: trend is good. I'm more concerned with say 5yrs of supply chain fuckery than whether BTC will eventually prevail.
asciilifeform doesn't recall any mega-exciting noose from e.g. salvador after 'day x'
asciilifeform: signpost: moneyed folx are in fact stockpiling irons, interestingly.
mats: the win for el salvador is really the government's win
asciilifeform won't 'kiss & tell' but witnessed directly
mats: bukele effectively controls all the btc that goes into the chivo piggy
signpost stockpiling w/e his upper-middle-class ass may need.
signpost: (ain't much.)
signpost: mats: iirc bulgaria holds like 200 kilocoin
mats: there's like three countries with their own digital currencies now
asciilifeform would customarily add 'and only fuhrer knows whether actual or papercoin' but imho obv.
asciilifeform: mats: centralbankcoins are a snore imho
asciilifeform: just anuther variety of permissionedshitcoin.
mats: its good for everyone tbh
mats: i mean yes, permissioned, but increases settlement speed
signpost often reminded of mp's comment to me that I could not comprehend just how far the west had to fall.
signpost: seeing it now, definitely.
asciilifeform: mats: the 'settlement speed' imho is overblown issue. in asciilifeform's experience, even traditional moolah is fast enuff, wires from megacorp are ~instant
signpost: they haven't even started throwing bodies at the collapse yet
signpost: probably a world war between here and "hyperbitcoinization"
mats: many entrepreneurs solve the problem by having multiple bank accounts with their various clients bank
asciilifeform: signpost: in '19 was already clear imho 'they need a worldwar' but also clear that can't afford actual one. so instead organized fictional one
asciilifeform: mats: sop in phinance industry
signpost: time will tell if they're so smart as to have organized effectively
asciilifeform: by their lights i imagine quite effective already
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:39:30 asciilifeform: it's a classic arson+theft. burn down economy, loot what little savings anyone had.
mats: its not overblown
asciilifeform may be atypical, but finds even ordinary btc to be quite fast enuff
mats: at large enough sums of money, leaving it effectively idle to clear becomes a tax
asciilifeform: mats: is almost as if yer posting from 1980s, or sumthing, when money got returns, lol
mats: small amounts of money across many participants
mats: cash flow is bizness 101
vex: worldwar ist comming
asciilifeform: vex: started in 1990s, and the humans mostly lost
mats: lol
vex: im frightend
signpost: oz hasn't started learning mandarin yet?
mats: best case, everyone sorts out the spheres of influence with minimal shooting
signpost: mats: I dunno why anyone wouldn't take a shot at the fragility of american infrastructure
signpost: that texas grid failure for example was barbaric.
mats: it will probably happen regardless as the grid transitions to renewables
mats: its going to be bumpy
asciilifeform: signpost: what little valuables there were there, quietly carted off to highest bidder, for decades nao, why shoot.
mats: grids, plural
asciilifeform: mats: y'mean transitions to 'sorry, we can't afford a grid, but here you can do yer redditin' while sun shines' lol
mats: the feds haven't figured out the wildfires problem yet
asciilifeform: 'figuring out' would involve maybe the fact that it's 100% usg-created problem , lol
mats: seems the solution is regular burns like the amerindians but i'm an idiot so
asciilifeform: the solution is not to put it out just because bezos's house is in the burn zone naturally
asciilifeform: most fortuitous thing that could possibly happen to usa as a whole is if 100% of california burns to cinders
signpost: the western US biome is fucked in innumerable ways
mats: lol
mats: they will just move to dc
asciilifeform: mats: moneybags dun want to live in swamp air lol
asciilifeform: that's for lackeys
asciilifeform: iirc presently they're moving to tx
signpost: mmmmhm
signpost: pumping my housecoin for me
asciilifeform: ( and to nz and other 'paradises' )
asciilifeform: signpost: nifty
vex: democracy wont stop
signpost: oh but it will.
vex: good luck with that
asciilifeform: 'housecoin' up 'over9000x'
vex: \people liek it
vex: house muick
mats: who knows
mats: there's sure to be political upheaval as the west gets older, more conservative, and the young can't sustain public services with their incomes
mats: there'll be hard questions about immigration
vex: taxation. defi will get banned
asciilifeform: mats: afaik already ~100% of the infra work in usa is mexican-powered
asciilifeform: vex: in eltsinization, pyramids not typically banned as such, but brought under crown control.
asciilifeform: ( is what they did w/ e.g. 'mmm' )
mats: the young and the old will demand more services from the state
mats: so probably more taxes
signpost: demographics alone will make that collapse.
mats: if the us withdraws from 80% of its foreign commitments, it could spend it domestically
asciilifeform: mats: they already 'demanded' -- and getting -- their cattle stalls. yest. the only decent bakery in asciilifeform's town was closed, landlord wants to demolish and build 9000th block of communal (studentloan-financed) apts
signpost: mats: arguably the foreign commitments prop up the currency system that permits subsidy of the lifestyle the redditards have come to expect
signpost: see 2020 for what happens when they get bored
asciilifeform: current usg proj is to ramp down their 'expects' to what is suppliable. e.g. mcd rather than baked bread.
signpost: this, sadly, possibly sustainable.
asciilifeform: 'densification' proceeding on schedule. (e.g. normal houses being reworked into 'multiplexes')
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-27 19:08:32 asciilifeform: re: 'уплотнение' -- see also m.bulgakov's 'dog's heart' :
signpost: still, varying responses to this. portland, oregon murders going way up
signpost expects that there will be places where the mcd quota falls short.
asciilifeform: inescapably
asciilifeform must bbl.
mats: maybe not 80%
mats: but it looks like they're stretched thin
vex: you're tha man mats
vex: noone else knows about finance
mats: the usnavy has had a string of incidents in the last 5y, from the recent collision in the south china sea with a mystery object, to the uss bonhomme fire, other collisions in the pacific
mats: the fat leonard corruption matter in the seventh fleet
mats: four littoral combat ships are being decommissioned many years early
mats: hundreds of officers with experience operating in the pacific experienced adverse consequences to their careers because of being marginally connected to the fat leonard case
vex: south china sea is also north oz seas
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