phf: come to think of it i read anathem on your recommendation. is a thick book..
phf: "Ukraine to Ban ‘War and Peace’ From Being Taught in Schools"
verisimilitude: I just wrote over one hundred lines of Ada for a little UDP program; it felt good.
verisimilitude: Gee, I avoid mentioning a rag, and then asciilifeform goes and does it anyway.
verisimilitude: They should make these models public, but they're keeping the underage models all for themselves.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: they keep these under wraps for entirely logical reason.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-14 13:43:52 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: academitards ~never share working src. because typically there aint one (if there's anyffin resembling a proggy -- it's a pile of rigged demo bullshit which shits out the charts that go into the paper liquishit, rarely anyffin moar)
asciilifeform: ... if published src, the imponade would go 'where last year's snow'.
punkman: "After lying flat, a new trend among China's youth is to 'let it rot (bai lan)' which worries CCP"
punkman: I wonder how the chinese manage to NEET without western-style welfare
punkman: was watching new adam curtis series yesterday, Can't Get You Out of My Head (2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNsoMfuZZqk
punkman: Hypernormalisation (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLgkQBFTPw << this one seems to have become more relevant in past couple years
punkman: can't get enough of all those historical clips. at 4:00 you can see the day New York City was holding bond auction, and all the bankers decided not to show up.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106061 No, it's a sweet little itty-bitty child, you monsters.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-12 11:06:46 asciilifeform: ... if published src, the imponade would go 'where last year's snow'.
punkman: then bankers insisted on creation of committee that would manage NYC finances, with 8 of 10 members being bankers
verisimilitude: The other two were relatives, right?
punkman: lulz "The 2020-2021 strategy review recognised that climate change has implications for price stability and led to a commitment to take into account, within the ECB’s mandate, the implications of climate change and the carbon transition for monetary policy and central banking."
punkman: "The Governing Council adopted a climate-related action plan aimed at incorporating climate factors in monetary policy assessments, expanding analytical capacity related to climate change"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106063 << same as over9000 redditus in west reich -- mooching off relatives
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-12 12:55:13 punkman: I wonder how the chinese manage to NEET without western-style welfare
phf: asciilifeform: hey you know if there's rack or half racks that you can place in "dirty" environment. i guess it's generally just needs to be cloasable, with a vent that can be run using a flex duct
phf: bonus point if maybe it has its own provision for AC
phf: (as in personal experience, can find things on google but they range from 300$ to 2000$ to "request quote")
asciilifeform: phf: indeed there is! asciilifeform recently bought one, encloses on all sides and with duct. unfortunately was vintage unit, can't link to a vendor ( by all indications housed classic pdp or sumsuch, 'made in usa' and weighs like 4 asciilifeforms )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-22 17:13:08 asciilifeform: spent most of day picking up his very 1st selfstanding 42u rack, 300kg monster from '70s, in 'pdp-8 blue'
asciilifeform: scrap man let it go for ~700 iirc
asciilifeform: phf: generally oughta prowl craigslist/ebay/similar or commercial folx fire sale etc
phf: can you see what the label says when you have a chance? possibly easier to find right track this way
asciilifeform: re ac, you can mount the type which has 2 ducts, 1 to rack, 1 outta window
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma look but dun recall seeing a label other than 'usa'
asciilifeform: 'adult size' is 42u nominally but iirc mine actually 44
asciilifeform: depending on what's going in it -- if e.g. pile of ups, you'll want a welded steel thing (like asciilifeform's) rather than bolt-together kit
asciilifeform: they're a bitch to move, take 1 (ideally 2) extra pairs of hands
asciilifeform: 44u fits in 'f150' 6ft bed exactly
phf: i'm sort of now thinking maybe should just weld own…
phf: housing doesn't need to be "smart", can just put plywood and seal
asciilifeform: can weld own, if you can find the bars (drilling'em yerself to precise spacing i'd expect is painful)
asciilifeform: some folx make outta wood
asciilifeform was resigned to 'weld own' then finally turned up ancient mammonth
phf: i guess all i really need is rails, which will give hooks and spacing, mount them on e.g. wood frame
phf: i guess i can start searching locals, really it's more like your locals than my locals, will have to do a run either way. there's no "pdp rackmount sitting in warehouse" in western maryland ;)
asciilifeform: bolt in sumthing small on each end (e.g. 19" mains strip) and then get correct spacing, aha
asciilifeform bought from oddball scrap dealer, he had precisely 1
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-22 19:07:46 asciilifeform: d00d had a buncha weird shit -- e.g. a gigantic faux 19th c. globe, which swung open to reveal compartment for pistol.
asciilifeform: took coupla mo. to turn up
phf: "not sure what for, but things welded together in the 80s always bring /some/ buyer"
verisimilitude: It's quite pleasant to go through and fix the little visibility errors and minor type mismatches as I get the Ada program to compile.
asciilifeform: phf: how 'dirty' is the 'dirty' envir.? (if it's e.g. wood shop, gotta filter intake air or will grind up fans)
phf: thinking of moving servers from office (which is on second floor and hot) to basement which is shop and cold, but dirty
asciilifeform doing exactly this in new pad, complete with fibers through pipe for displays etc
asciilifeform: rec'd unit ftr for this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 11:19:41 asciilifeform: wholly unrelatedly to anyffin, on the off chance anyone finds himself in this situation, the only unit (of half dozen tested) found to work 100% was the 'SNAOC20V201A' by 'ruipro'.
asciilifeform tested a pile of various, turned up precisely 1 that actually worx at 4k@60hz
asciilifeform: comes in iirc up to 100m spool.
phf: how do you connect keyboard/etc?
asciilifeform: hub<->usb to fiber box on ea. end
phf: what's the fiber box product id :>
asciilifeform goes to look
phf: i'll ask you more questions about this. i've only started looking at it, so far things i've found were unsatisfying. but if fiber was good enough for symbolics™
phf: i have like 20t storage on a zfs in a server, yet i'm watching movies off a macbook pro :> at some point this solution became wholy unsatisfying
asciilifeform: phf: it's a this, but can't rec , not properly tested yet ( still in its crate )
phf: i want a bolix like setup: terminals in various rooms that are running off the basement server, etc.
asciilifeform still slowly assembling the setup in new pad
phf: ah, so "fiber" in this case is just running standard whatever, usb/hdmi/etc. but simply "longer"?
asciilifeform: the display things, plugged in on old desk for 3+mo nao, worx a++
asciilifeform: phf: correct. the fiber is glued in
asciilifeform: if distance is 10-15m, not even need fiber, there are shielded copper things
asciilifeform going for precisely 'bolix-flavoured' setup, instead of coupla kwatt of hot boxen in office and window ac year round lol
phf: what i don't understand (and i guess it's silly of me), why no hdmi/usb thin box, that you can connect by single own cut wire to its source, and act as a kind of thin client. such thing just doesn't seem to exist?
asciilifeform: well depending on what means 'client' -- can bake easily enuff x11 box which suckless off anuther one on lan
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's setup was gnarly, 3 '4k' lcd hanging off a kvmtron. hence fiber )
asciilifeform: *suckles off
phf: so you have a dongle on one end, with a bunch of cables sticking out, hdmi, 2-3 usbs, audio. you plug it into pc, run a fiber from it to an equivalent box on the other end, but that one connects to monitor, keyboard, speakers. telepresence!
asciilifeform: these sold, but afaik none support the '4k@60h' pixel clock
asciilifeform: if you dun need ^ , there are several avail.
phf: i'm leaning towards x11 thin clients and a handful of dedicated fiber that go to specific devices speakers in living room, projector, etc.
asciilifeform: ( 'extron' iirc being one such )
phf: but somehow feels hacky. bolix "solved" this problem a decade ago :>
asciilifeform: if for speakers strictly, 'toslink', costs next to nuffin
asciilifeform: phf: indeed did !
asciilifeform: sad pc folx still waiting to catch up to bolix here too..
asciilifeform: 3decade ago
asciilifeform: ( bolix 3600 already iirc came with the spiffy triax megacable + remote console thing )
phf: but also house is "natural", meaning that you can't really ac it effectively (window units is not effectively in my book), because breaths. so i also need to find a holistic approach to device placement. can't just put a 3x RADEON machine in the attic and yolo
asciilifeform: if you run 'cat7' and run at 10g/s, prolly can even watch films over x11 thin
asciilifeform: phf: right, if the thing aint hermetically sealed (and few ancient houses in usa were) gotta carefully thing re airflow
asciilifeform: for instance, if thinking to exhaust to atmosphere , gotta think 'where will intake', or it'll be yer chimney backdrafting in winter
asciilifeform: or some random hole
asciilifeform: *think re
phf: asciilifeform: yah, conceptually then start running into issues. if you are sending video bits over ether over tcp over xlib then why not send compressed original? etc.
phf: that's why want "dumb" video conduit at max throughput, but no such exist
asciilifeform: these work a+++, but only handle 1 screen (each) , and kbd/etc gotta travel via anuther box
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-12 17:21:37 asciilifeform: rec'd unit ftr for this.
asciilifeform: is pure 'dumb pipe' for frames, uncompressed
phf: neat, will investigate
asciilifeform: power source is the emitter vga card itself
asciilifeform: there's actually a thin copper pair in there for +5v
asciilifeform: plug on tx end contains the laser, on rx end -- the decoder . they get a bit warm (50c on occasion) but not in any obvious way problem to date
verisimilitude: It mostly works, so now I get to use GDB, later.
asciilifeform: avoid buying the '8k' variant (green cable) if you use 'screensaver'-style soft monitor powerdown
asciilifeform: ( it's broken in that one )
asciilifeform bought unknowingly, vendor actually apologized ('not implemented 100% yet') and sent phree '4k' unit
verisimilitude: Ada is the only language for which I use GDB, and I can't help but see it as primitive compared to even a basic listener.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: were you expecting a repl-like experience?! lol
verisimilitude: No, but still.
verisimilitude: It's like a retarded listener.
asciilifeform: oblig. whole-machine gdb
verisimilitude: Still, how nice to see the program send some UDP messages correctly.
asciilifeform: oblignaggum lol
asciilifeform: 'it's appropriate to make a machine print "hello world" to verify that everything works after all the mind-boggling nonsense has interfered with the real purpose of a computer, and you never know which part of booting up will fail due to a minor bug. the delight in a C programmer's eyes when his machine thus booted typed "hello world" back at him would probably parallel that of a Common Lisp programmer when the satel
asciilifeform: lite communications subsystem he designed beams back "hello world" after an almost-aborted launch, a navigation jet which misfired, and the solar panels sustained some damage by space debris. normally, it's unnecessary to have confirmations of basic operations, but it makes perfect sense under C.'
verisimilitude: Queue queue queue them up,
verisimilitude: Send them down the line,
verisimilitude: Get message passing without regret,
verisimilitude: UDP is fine.
verisimilitude: Don't spoil my fun, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-12#1106115 << btw bolix didn't use fiber, it went over triax (well, coax with coupla added strands), at one time asciilifeform tried to decode but in fact was too fast for his 200mhz scope, lol)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-12 17:24:52 phf: i'll ask you more questions about this. i've only started looking at it, so far things i've found were unsatisfying. but if fiber was good enough for symbolics™
asciilifeform: impressively, implemented on ecl!
verisimilitude: At least my library can send variable-length messages.
asciilifeform doesn't begrudge verisimilitude his variably-long datagrams, lol. but asciilifeform didnt' need
asciilifeform to meatspace
verisimilitude: I'm fully aware this was a lot of work because of stupid bullshit, but I'd prefer to ride the high before it goes away on its own.
verisimilitude: Hell, I wrote a poem summarizing my disgust with this.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-18#1102887 << similar meaning also apec, or some other brand?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-18 14:47:36 asciilifeform: mats: bought similar one recently, not installed yet
phf: i'm going to crowd source all the home improvements
asciilifeform: phf: 'ispring ph100'. but this aint esp. useful info, given as asciilifeform not tested the thing just yet, still gotta plumb for it
asciilifeform finally has, lol, hot water in new pad