asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
asciilifeform: hm bot awol?
phf: signpost: do you use relayd?
signpost: nah, when I used for the business, the openbsd instances were eating from AWS SQS, not exposed to web directly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 19:04:55 phf: there's of course a periodic thread on subj http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010387 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-02-06#1010388
signpost: of the smallest possible universe.
signpost: it's true that men are sovereign in their own minds, if nowhere else. most compulsively seek to absolve themselves of it.
signpost: because it's terrifying. suppose you *can* alter your beliefs, even ones you require to survive. how much state does one have to mutate before madness?
signpost: and of course you can, otherwise what's learning?
signpost thinks this is an even greater source of existential terror than understanding of death.
signpost: it's good to sit with this and accustom oneself to probably being wrong about everything.
asciilifeform: signpost: finding things out dun have to result in 'existential terror'
signpost: existential terror doesn't mean I'm afraid, though. it means the thing is forever there, and it imposes on *you*, not other way around.
signpost: maybe call it a graveness of being. the garden of mind can become uncurated to the point of irreparability, and by surprise.
asciilifeform: most of universe, outside of one's own crankcase, 'imposes on you, not the other way around', neh
signpost: sure does.
signpost: useful to keep the mind's eye turned outward at that, or likely to quickly derange the model of it.
asciilifeform generally of the 'cure for intellectual derangements is to mix some cement' school of thought
asciilifeform: i.e. regular contact with physical reality
asciilifeform: its lack causes a kind of mental scurvy
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's observations, the folx who end up on a solipsistic journey up own arse, are always the ones who never built so much as a doghouse with own hands
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-05-25 asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever built so much as a dog house with own hands?
signpost: pretty hard to keep the arrogance going after the 5th smack of thumb with the hammer, yep.
signpost: one'd still have to exercise the ability to alter asinine beliefs to do this, and then, they're afraid of doing anything but auto-eroticism with that.
asciilifeform: not even need to build a tokamak. the simplest things normally suffice. work on a set of ancient pipes and find how much 'reality cares' re: yer whatever internal aristotelian edifice.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 18:56:29 asciilifeform: i learned that in usa there are households where there is no hammer.
asciilifeform: juggling bits, interestingly, appears not to provide this basic nutrient. even on modern shitcomp, softs behave too much like ideal 'spherical horse' philosophical object, do not supply the needed contact with reality ( and, worse, dysfunctional in ways which ~actively promote~ insanity )
asciilifeform suspects that this is the item phf was alluding to in the earlier 'horse' thread
asciilifeform: per asciilifeform , 1 of the moar pernicious aristotelianisms (see 'politics'(tm)) is the notion that 'commander must not stoop to physical work'. whereas greatest imho monarch of modern era, peter 1, unzipped & pissed all over this nonsense, apprenticed at shipyards, put up masts w/ own hands, etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 19:23:44 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to ramp down expectations of life for all of'em
verisimilitude: Much mental masturbation may make monstrous machinations; many might make madness.
verisimilitude: Terrifying things terrorize the terrorizable.
verisimilitude: Stupidity shields some such simpletons.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: slovenly sophistry simply stupifies...
verisimilitude: Proper physical practice perhaps protects.
mats: pls no
verisimilitude: Mats mayn't mollify me.
signpost: incidentally, I learned recently that autism might be an inflammatory disease, and reversible.
signpost looking for the link.
verisimilitude: I'm inflamed! I'm inflamed!
mats: you definitely need wheat grass in your diet
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104342 << in my working branch i implemented this using some postgres regex features but was way too expensive to make available on www. i didn't look too much deeper into it so if any postgres experts here have an idea to point me in the right direction i can take another stab at it
bitbot: Logged on 2022-05-31 01:40:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-30#1104339 << nope. it's prolly the most annoyingly missing feature atm
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-30 19:07:57 phf: err, asciilifeform is there a way to search your logs by an uinterupted sequence of characters, e.g. btcbase lets you search "real me" (though at also greps lots of `real men`), but on logs it seems to do something odd
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104388 Mice mayn't model man's mind masterfully.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-31 13:45:24 signpost: https://archive.ph/sAJS8 << lacks what I saw re: reversing symptoms, but otherwise.
signpost: the noise is getting old.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104345 << available on pestnet unless *really* needed here.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-31 10:15:11 asciilifeform: hm bot awol?
asciilifeform: shinohai: if difficult to plug in 2 places, just pesnet imho suffices
asciilifeform: the fyootoor is pestronic.
verisimilitude: We wish. We want.
asciilifeform wonders what sorta cosmic ray hit verisimilitude's head
verisimilitude: Vex vexed verisimilitude, verily.
billymg: actually, re search, the regex i constructed was meant to solve the other problem mentioned: "though [it] also greps lots of `real men`". perhaps just searching for a contiguous string (and ignoring word beginnings/endings) could be done easily without sinking performance
billymg: my use case was: "how do i see what the logs think about ai / ml?"
verisimilitude: Spaces solve such.
billymg: verisimilitude: i'm talking about the way search is currently implemented in the logotron
asciilifeform: billymg: imho doublequoted string oughta match substring bordered by start/end of ln or whitespace
verisimilitude: Spaces solve such second situations.
shinohai: !!v 9AA4A5DB74720D5DE4B400AEB6F1B47FAB47E99765609ABC8719FBE30C6F5337
deedbot: shinohai rated verisimilitude -1 << Noise
verisimilitude: Annoyingly alliterative, apparently.
billymg: asciilifeform: i agree, but my first attempt did not produce anything sufficiently performant to release on public www
asciilifeform: billymg: possibly single-quoted string oughta match arbitrary substring.
asciilifeform: billymg: given how postgres indexing worx, longer search string will necessarily cost moar
asciilifeform: *contig. search string
billymg: yeah, i'll have to take another look at it and read more of the docs. my initial takeaway was that postgres gives you some "regex light" tools that are fast but that if you try to use "real regex" it's gonna be slow
billymg: and the query i was trying to produce didn't work with "regex light"
asciilifeform: billymg: there's prolly a trivial pill for this buried in pg docs somewhere. simply not unearthed it yet
asciilifeform: shinohai: might be cleaner & faster to simply run ordinary py regex over the results which come back from the current search
asciilifeform: ( them being a superset of the desired result with doublequotes )
signpost: tried the built-in full-text search?
signpost hasn't used it
asciilifeform: signpost: afaik is what gets used in the current one neh
asciilifeform: 'payload ilike all(%s) order by t desc' etc
asciilifeform suspects that this approach would be faster, also -- as leverages the indices, whereas a regexpism on pg end likely would not
signpost: nah this thinger https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/textsearch-tables.html#TEXTSEARCH-TABLES-SEARCH
asciilifeform: says right there 'a full text search without an index' lol
asciilifeform: so prolly ughslow
asciilifeform: 'Although these queries will work without an index, most applications will find this approach too slow, except perhaps for occasional ad-hoc searches. Practical use of text searching usually requires creating an index.'
signpost: nah. you can make indices. I just linked to the part which documented how to query.
asciilifeform: hard to say without trying
signpost: anyway, just throwing that in as an alternative to regex hell if latter isn't working well.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-31#1104410 Noise he calls me, noise of all things.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-31 13:58:29 shinohai: !!v 9AA4A5DB74720D5DE4B400AEB6F1B47FAB47E99765609ABC8719FBE30C6F5337
shinohai: Perhaps spray some contact cleaner in your potentiometers and see if it improves.
verisimilitude: I need a translation.
verisimilitude: I've yet to rate others, because I want a more trustworthy key pair, first.
shinohai: Here, I'll put it in the form of your favourite game recently:
shinohai: !!v F681BC1B041C4430D53ADA4919C4796E93B7A6EC08ABF598C90882DAD735AB92
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of verisimilitude from -1 to -1 << Noxious narcissistic noise niggers not necessary
verisimilitude: See, it's fun.
verisimilitude: Really though, I'm a little alliterative for a little while, to an overblown response, but whatever.
verisimilitude: Here's a better version: No noxious, narcissistic noisemaker's necessary.
verisimilitude: Well, I was being purposefully provocative, so I suppose I deserved this reaction.
vex: asciilifeform, https://sampsonboat.co.uk/ this guy juggles pretty well. only one finger reattached so far
vex: his 2ic is strolling on titanium tho; used to ride trains without a ticket
vex: there's also a macaw. legit circus
vex: fuck me if they don't do some neat work tho
asciilifeform: vex: neato & entertaining. but approx. as much to do w/ asciilifeform as mars missions
vex: I'm in agreeance re physical work
vex: I wonder where the sewer pipes will go on mars.
asciilifeform: arse-mouth systems strictly!1
vex: straight to the tomato patch
vex: i'd summon funkenstien for interplantary work. I wonder if log coin is still afloat?