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thehorrors: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1099018] << I think that because they would be forced to exchange it to state's currency. Which is to say they cannot use it to buy "normal" stuff which to me is pretty much the issue
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-25 23:54:15 asciilifeform: from one pov. tho observe that most blackmarket folx do not presently find bitcoin at all convenient, from their pov
signpost: no need to bracket 'em when using that format, only when adding link text.
thehorrors: got it
signpost: but anyway, yeah, I'm not interested in a world ruled by drug cartels, etc.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' .
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 19:57:24 asciilifeform: recommends his strategy -- of conducting biz in btc strictly to fill a hodl -- to others, but not under illusion that it is generally applicable
signpost: and would not want bitcoin changed in such a way that helps them, harms civilized business.
signpost: lately I've been working on a project to capture a self-hosting linux system as vpatches, so an analogy comes to mind.
signpost: consider the case of the GNU system, which was intended to be maximally viral into proprietary ones.
signpost: in service of this political goal, the GNU software was fractally shit-caked in a lovecraftian horror of compatibility layers.
signpost: early on, one would've stated the political goal in terms of freedom.
signpost: at this point, the shitwad is so complex only gigantic, billion dollar corporations control the projects.
signpost: hilariously the ones that were meant to be disempowered by "Free Software (TM)"
signpost: is this a failure, and if so why did the failure occur?
thehorrors: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099035 < right, but that thread seems to indicate that (1) you still cannot eat from it which is my problem. (2) the community is a huge part of a working system (my earlier point about education). Crypto-amish will definitely suffocate any system. The deal here is that raw-noncrypto amish in sufficient numbers will suffocate the system just as well.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:04:49 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' .
thehorrors: signpost: so the "fits-in-the-head" currency is sort of what I am reading
thehorrors: the failure also occured in my view, because they didn't make money - simple as. And gnu introduced huge incentives to make commercial SaaS *all the while* having no mitigation agains SaaS. In my view it's a disaster
signpost: I don't mean that oss failed; it's everywhere.
signpost: it failed at its earlier stated political objective.
signpost: I traded the black box of microsoft for an ever-tangling thicket I could in principle, but not in practice, read and understand.
thehorrors: It's everywhere, but controlled by big corps, so the fact that it's everywhere doesn't really help me
signpost: right, I'm just emphasizing "failed on its own terms"
thehorrors: okay, but are you trying to say that the complexity is to blame?
signpost: I'm saying that a technological artefact is not separable from the political process that emitted it.
signpost: when designing a cryptocurrency these are part of the design.
signpost: that I want to read and understand both the src of the currency and its total state at all times is certainly helped by that model fitting in my head.
thehorrors: I am not sure I fully agree with you. I think there are feedback loops and the clusterfuck that we witness is ultimately emergent. Okay, suppose a crypto client fits in your head. Still, the only people who can operate upon it meaningfully will be people proficient in software - to the point where they can actually appreciate the simplicity and more importantly - uphold it.
signpost: so what? I'm telling you what I want, and I did read it.
signpost: I ask that my doctor know things I do not also, and rely on him for that.
signpost: is there an implied "normies must the buttcorn" in here?
signpost: if so why.
thehorrors: sort of. The same simplicity will invite "normies" who will hack it into oblovion
signpost: game theory of the protocol seems to have rejected all such attempts.
thehorrors: and will make it easier to hijack for corporations as well. Because if you have a codebase that only two people can contribute to, they can safely tell everyone to fuck off
signpost: heh, what is this, security by wall of autism?
signpost: I don't think that's what's securing the chain.
thehorrors: if you have something simple, you will have CoC forks after the first sneeze. CoC forks immediately get "sponsored" and marketed, grow out of proportion with features and shiny. Normies will buy that, the original will be left to the people "who get it". The cycle will repeat, with five people using lynx and the rest using firefox.
billymg: thehorrors: the importance of the prb shithub account is overblown. they can do what they want over there and hodlers are free to continue running older versions of bitcoin, such as trb for example
signpost: thing's worth like 1T already, hardly lynx.
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099019 << black market to me just means normal trade between free agents without having to cc nancy pelosi on all transactions > $600. iow 'black market' includes food and clothes
bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 03:56:26 thehorrors: I also think the black market itself is part of the problem. Folks should trade food and clothes for bitcoin for it to make effect
signpost: and yes, the original consensus rules still work fine, despite all attempts to render it otherwise.
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099045 << the only thing with bitcoin that the reich works harder to suppress than the exchange rate is the emergence of true p2p markets
bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 04:21:28 thehorrors: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099035 < right, but that thread seems to indicate that (1) you still cannot eat from it which is my problem. (2) the community is a huge part of a working system (my earlier point about education). Crypto-amish will definitely suffocate any system. The deal here is that raw-noncrypto amish in sufficient numbers will suffocate the system just
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:04:49 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's recipe ftr for 'how to make 'normal stuff' buyable w/ btc' .
bitbot: Logged on 2022-02-03 01:45:54 asciilifeform: i.e. fulfilling reich dictat re damping the exchrate and disrupting organic hawala network formation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-19 13:03:00 asciilifeform: the reason why various 2010s 'they'll ban goxes!' prognoses (incl. asciilifeform's) came to nuffin, is that turns out goxes are a very effective instrument of exchrate control, and therefore quite valuable to the reich.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 14:19:31 asciilifeform: is half of why reich even tolerates goxes -- to put brakes on the development of proper wotronic trade.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099065 << this power exists at all times in all men. consider though, if we use mathematics that only 3 people on earth understand as the basis of a currency system, it makes it easier for those 3 people to subtly break the system.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:38:26 thehorrors: and will make it easier to hijack for corporations as well. Because if you have a codebase that only two people can contribute to, they can safely tell everyone to fuck off
signpost: this definitely *should* also call into question the use of ECDSA in bitcoin.
thehorrors: billymg: okay, agreed, but why is there no food and clothes on the black market? Can I buy a sack of potatoes for bitcoin from a peer? Why is there a trillion market cap and I cannot do dick with my coins except buying some hosting offshore maybe?
signpost: grocer typically doesn't accept gold bars either.
thehorrors: so then bitcoin is not currency
signpost: I see nowhere on earth that bitcoin is currently being used as common currency.
thehorrors: right, but that's exactly my problem
signpost: please state the problem. how are you going to fight the state by buying your latte with btc?
thehorrors: because I won't pay taxes doing that
signpost: the thing will literally just come murder you and take what is valuable of yours long before mass tax protest is a tickle in anyone's nutsack.
thehorrors: how are you going to fight the state by hodling?
signpost: did the invention of the internet fight the state?
thehorrors: right which makes it more attractive to me to have an encrypted ledger
thehorrors: in a way - for sure
signpost: you're hoping for a great awakening in the religious sense, and flavoring it with crypto.
thehorrors: in other ways it helped the state as well (being its own invention)
signpost: no need, normies can go throw themselves atop the gears today.
thehorrors: Well I hope for the great awakening irrespective of crypto
signpost: re: internet consider whether the chinese model would even be possible without it.
signpost: current chinese surveillance megastate.
thehorrors: yeah, but would snowden be possible without it?
thehorrors: chicken and egg I get it
signpost: whether hope pans out or not, saying the existence of a particular technology does not by itself make the thing happen.
thehorrors: well I said I don't consider the two connected
signpost: silk road happened, yet no great psychedelic awakening, etc.
thehorrors: great awakening is one thing, crypto is another thing. Partially we need crypto as a sort of substitute of the enlightement in hopes that it will enable it
signpost: your way of trying to partition the world is nonsense.
signpost: the world is not disconnected in that manner.
billymg: the last two years killed any hope of "great awakening" for me
billymg: whatever bitcoin will carve out, if it can carve anything out, will be niche
signpost: you miss my point. the existence of a technology does not mean the end you hope for comes out of it.
signpost: for most people the internet means tiktok
signpost: hindbrain making mush of the forebrain.
signpost: our society sucks because the humans in it suck, myself included. therefore the project of interest is sucking less, and from that, other things flow.
verisimilitude: I believe hope to be an evil. I advise being hopeless instead, billymg.
signpost: it doesn't suck for lack of a new widget.
signpost: billymg: ha, I saw you as the other guy!
signpost: same damned color over here; I must be getting tired.
signpost: verisimilitude: hope is 100% a character flaw.
signpost: it's prayer. reality will hear me and bend.
billymg: signpost: i think you captured it well here
bitbot: Logged on 2021-07-18 20:37:39 signpost: there's something rotten in the soul of man that desires enslavement.
signpost: a couple more examples of the ideology behind my thoughts on bitcoin.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-20 12:38:12 signpost: would far rather know the ~100 people on earth with whom he can refine his sanity than shotgun his farts to all of twitter
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 23:08:39 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-20#1086086 << tmsr was a machine we were building to do this.
signpost: billymg: ty
signpost: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-07-18#1046469 << yeah, humans do not wake up one day with a feeling in their butts and agree.
bitbot: Logged on 2021-07-18 20:41:52 signpost: consider what otehr "mass movements" there'd be if this were possible.
signpost: it's a process; bitcoin's an innovation in this category, barely understood yet.
signpost gotta hit the hay, will be happy to pick up the thread in the morning.
billymg: i've got these family members, one of whom i set up with a paper wallet back in '15 or so. now the other family member is telling the former "you should put that on coinbase, where it's regulated"
thehorrors: good night, signpost, thanks for discussion
signpost: thehorrors: I appreciate the conversation.
signpost: yep, night
billymg: later signpost
billymg: got a friend like that too, i keep telling him "take it off coinbase", he's smart, he understands the implications, and yet he *chooses* to keep it on coinbase, because that's how you "behave"
thehorrors: That's said, but sort of reinforces my growing believe that technological fix may not be the answer, or at least a very small part of the answer
billymg: you can literally show them the open door to their cell and they won't walk out, they prefer the cell
verisimilitude: Oh, thehorrors, most people are worthless.
thehorrors: I know that, but I still have hope (unlike you guys apparently)
thehorrors: Anyways, thanks all for the good chats, I hope I'll talk to you again some time. Have hope, goddammit
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098749 << booting w/ lilo (and previously with grub) would get a boot hang when mounting boot devices. No particular reason wai so far. I'm just about ready to attempt another reboot. (I complied last night before bed)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-25 11:44:00 billymg: what do you mean 'hanging at usb'? maybe i or someone else here can help
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-25#1098750 << i7-7700K (8 cores @ 4.5GHz), 19892MiB DDR4 RAM, Nvidia GeForce GT 1030, mobo will have to look up
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-25 11:45:37 billymg: also what are your specs? cpu/mobo?
crtdaydreams: I have a suspicion it's not so much a boot hang perse but rather it's something to do with GPU Drivers.
crtdaydreams: I.e. (Boots on Integrated Graphics, then fails to transfer screen to GPU)
crtdaydreams: I'll try knocking out IG in bios first and get back to ya
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-25 18:55:20 signpost: uh, like, to bootstrap sbcl.
crtdaydreams: still gets a giggle every time
crtdaydreams: aboslutely profound and to a degree poetic excellent thread. save for future reference.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 01:06:14 signpost: it's prayer. reality will hear me and bend.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 01:09:32 billymg: signpost: i think you captured it well here
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 01:09:38 signpost: a couple more examples of the ideology behind my thoughts on bitcoin.
crtdaydreams: oh lawd. s/aboslutely/absolutely
crtdaydreams: I have thoughts I'd add, but I'm afraid they're not refined enough. Need some more time in the hearth before a second round of quenching.
shinohai: $vwap
busybot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 39137.50 USD
shinohai: Happy CIAGavin made Satoshi vanish day y'all!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099084 << lotsa potentially lulzy failure modes being masked by the p2pkh thing. and funny how to this day no one afaik baked an rsa alt. (likely from simple fact that shitcoinism is intrinsically braindamaged and no honest people
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:48:56 signpost: this definitely *should* also call into question the use of ECDSA in bitcoin.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-20 14:31:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in eccism olds.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-14 11:56:58 asciilifeform: and given as the entire purpose of a shitcoin is to 'replay history' with perp at the center.
asciilifeform: involved w/ subj at all, for fundamental reasons)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-20 13:53:46 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: whole history of cryptocoinism consists of 1) the original bitcoin client, which ~works 2) variously-sabotaged variants of (1) , sponsored by the enemy 3) 'altcoins', consisting without exception of 'premine scam', where orig. author hopes to get-rich-quick on the backs of army of useful idiots
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:38:18 signpost: game theory of the protocol seems to have rejected all such attempts.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-17 16:37:18 asciilifeform: re upstack , imho important q for any participant to answer ~for himself~, 'does bitcoin work? what does it mean for it to work?' (see also e.g.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099085 << echoing naggum's 'if lisp doesn't win around you, and you wanna know why, look in the mirror' -- what goods/services are you, ~personally~, selling for btc ? nuffin at all ? but like to complain, lol ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:53:17 thehorrors: billymg: okay, agreed, but why is there no food and clothes on the black market? Can I buy a sack of potatoes for bitcoin from a peer? Why is there a trillion market cap and I cannot do dick with my coins except buying some hosting offshore maybe?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099092 << recall how and why the 'cash mexicans', who perhaps 90% of the 'asphalt and bricks' physical economy of reich, live ~entirely w/out tax. and largely unmolested. (not to be confused with 'tax protesters', however; i.e. idjit office plankton who try to weasel outta paying [http://logs.nosu
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:56:07 signpost: the thing will literally just come murder you and take what is valuable of yours long before mass tax protest is a tickle in anyone's nutsack.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy
asciilifeform: chlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-10#1072012][bill]. picture aquarium fish 'protesting'.)
asciilifeform: ... i.e. idjit office plankton who try to weasel outta paying bill. picture aquarium fish 'protesting'.)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 13:27:49 asciilifeform: other thing is that in current-day usa the path from 'gox made you a 1099' to collections takes 4-5y
asciilifeform: bitcoinism does not remove the legwork req'd to 'be cash mexican'; simply allows for teleportation and storage in head of the moolah.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 19:44:07 asciilifeform: sucked largely because vulnerable to lizarding : can't teleport it, or hide it in yer head
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099111 << 'great awakenings' are a disastrous concept per se. 'eternal september'. if you 'want good things', 1st, 2nd, and 9000th order of biz is to find how to keep the bottom ~0.9 of the bell curve the permanent fuck outta what yer doing.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 01:01:35 billymg: the last two years killed any hope of "great awakening" for me
asciilifeform: the folx who 'just want'(tm) and whine about how $protocol hasn't made'em, w/out having to lift a finger, 'rich', or 'fighting the state', or whatever -- and whine, 'pretty pleez, can haz new protocol, that'll grant erry bipedal cattle three wishes??' aint an asset, their 'mass adoption' is worth ~substantially less than nothing~.
asciilifeform: ^ agonizingly well-worked subj in the old logs, but imho worth to repeat for n00bz, who 'bitcoin has failed me! where is my yacht' etc
thimbronion: ^ cat. ffs. second I leave and forget to shut my laptop off she turns it off or locks it up.
billymg: crtdaydreams: hrmm, i also have nvidia cards in two of my desktop builds, i found this page useful/straightforward for setting the kernel config correctly
billymg: i was on the "nouveau" open source drivers for a while but performance was dog shit and my card isn't powerful enough to make up for that (besides the boxes aren't of the mission critical variety so i didn't mind adding the closed source blobs)
billymg: crtdaydreams: also, i don't know what state your kernel config is in but your specs sound pretty conventional, i wouldn't be surprised if you can boot with a completely unmodified kernel config (save at a minimum enabling nvme support if you're trying to boot off one of those). i mention this in the guide as wel
verisimilitude: MPEX cost thirty bitcoins just to join, regardless of the exchange rate; what was the highest exchange rate under which he received such payment, however?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: nobody afaik knows for certain. at the time of asciilifeform's review article, was ~600 $.
asciilifeform did not subscribe
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in '15 raised it to 50, and iirc even once again after that (tho can't seem to find when)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-05-15 deedbot-: [Trilema] New MPEx fee - http://trilema.com/2015/new-mpex-fee/
asciilifeform: ( and eventually lights out )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-06-02 20:18:59 mats: like does mp just not care if nobody ever uses mpex again? got his fees so w/e? i find that hard to believe
verisimilitude: Alright.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: was a moar or less overt pyramid.
asciilifeform: ( similar to e.g. mavrodi's series )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 10:33:42 punkman: " Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!""
verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, I usually don't ask permission, but I'm thinking about showing someone in some hellhole I find myself occasionally glancing at Pest; this is alright, right?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you like
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: dun expect much constructive result from it, tho, imho
verisimilitude: Don't worry; I made certain to let them know ``no one here deserves to be shown the truly interesting stuff''.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: current draft canonical link.
verisimilitude: Oh, too late.
asciilifeform: also worx
verisimilitude: I'm getting ahead of myself, but want an offensive name for my Pest implementation.
verisimilitude: I'm thinking of calling it ``Genocide'' or naming it after a particular genocide.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: say, 'nanking'.
asciilifeform: lotsa good choices.
verisimilitude: I was thinking of naming it after the only genocide about which I was taught in school, the Holocaust. A close second is the Holodomor.
asciilifeform: 'hohlomor' (derivise ru meme, 'hohol' -- ukr, named for the ponytail they used to wear)
asciilifeform: *derisive
verisimilitude: I thought to myself, ``Would the former offend adlai, and would the latter offend asciilifeform?''.
asciilifeform: hohlomor imho a++ title
verisimilitude: I'll consider it.
signpost: timely even, if going for max offense.
verisimilitude: I don't want timely offense; I want offense that will cause seething for decades to come.
signpost: if for high score, bubonic plague iirc trumps all human-initiated cullings.
signpost thinks hohlomor has both.
signpost: oooh, plague of justinian was also bubonic. yeah, high score indeed.
asciilifeform: iirc there's a version that it was typhus
signpost: ah ok
deedbot: 9F8CEBA4044E827E50FFBEC1B5D076EC667152F8 registered as thehorrors.
thehorrors: it is done
signpost: !!v ACEFA40F65B85215AFA45F833721CC1F46B417F23E93EC975EB436E6C1E72585
deedbot: signpost rated thehorrors 1 << new blood
thehorrors: Let me try this
thehorrors: !!rate signpost 1 [very nice]
verisimilitude: Think about the authentication, thehorrors.
thehorrors: I thought it would just figure it out from my nick? Now I am not sure what to do. Do I !!register every time then?
deedbot: 9F8CEBA4044E827E50FFBEC1B5D076EC667152F8 is already registered as thehorrors.
thehorrors: !!key thehorrors
thehorrors: !!v 504E83D38482A7AE3897125D3E6C8AC29336C273FD33C41701E382F9B49BACBD
deedbot: thehorrors rated signpost 1 << [very nice]
thehorrors: hahah
thehorrors: !!rate verisimilitude 1 Kind to noodz and helpful. Also poetry and masturbation jokes.
thehorrors: hmm is there a better way to do this?
thehorrors: !!v 1A9D0342CC5A6D99EAC6A8B28C29E6A6E6B1BC351AE65F7257BEC056E8DF2454
deedbot: thehorrors rated verisimilitude 1 << Kind to noodz and helpful. Also poetry and masturbation jokes.
thehorrors: * also I didn't realize signpost is trinque. What a strange realization that was.
shinohai: wb thehorrors
dpb: thehorrors, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
thehorrors: thanks, shinohai. How do I rate people the chrisian way, so that I don't go to hell?
thehorrors: Also, reading your Blatta works - thanks for the blog!
signpost: thehorrors: why strange?
thehorrors: Oh well, you give a very different impression in chat vs your blog.
thehorrors: Unrelated: was reading about V a bit. What happened to Benjamin Vulpes? Also is VaMP a successor or just a separate evolutionary branch?
signpost: perhaps the tone was all in your head.
signpost: !!v FA34644DC0A41A8D56A928941017CBFB9219C29A21F7C5CAF26CAC97FB46E0B7
deedbot: signpost updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to -2 << reduced christendom to IRC spam
signpost: thehorrors: ben moved on to other things.
thehorrors: so he is not blogging anymore or anything?
signpost: not that I am aware.
thehorrors: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099175 < I would like to sell, that's the thing. I am not exactly complaining, but trying to figure out, because I am fairly new to the space.
bitbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 14:49:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099085 << echoing naggum's 'if lisp doesn't win around you, and you wanna know why, look in the mirror' -- what goods/services are you, ~personally~, selling for btc ? nuffin at all ? but like to complain, lol ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 00:53:17 thehorrors: billymg: okay, agreed, but why is there no food and clothes on the black market? Can I buy a sack of potatoes for bitcoin from a peer? Why is there a trillion market cap and I cannot do dick with my coins except buying some hosting offshore maybe?
thehorrors: I am also trying to compare the opportunity cost of becoming a cash mexican vs the opportunity cost of setting up a btc outlet. This is where I am at this time.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-26#1099264 << speaking of this, does anyone present know if it was actually released, or only for acolytes of #o ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 20:12:48 thehorrors: Unrelated: was reading about V a bit. What happened to Benjamin Vulpes? Also is VaMP a successor or just a separate evolutionary branch?
asciilifeform: shinohai: not afaik
asciilifeform not aficionado of 'improve vdiff while breaking compat. w/ ancient diff' idea, so not dug into subj further once saw that it was a that
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-22 11:55:33 asciilifeform: phf: iirc the rename hack makes for patches that can no longer be applied by hand (patch -p0 < foo... ) tho
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 20:14:30 signpost: not that I am aware.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere ben_vulpes
dulapbot: ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere bomolochus
dulapbot: bomolochus last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-09-17 15:54:56: thimbronion: stock character from greek plays, "buffoon" aha
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-14 12:51:59 bomolochus: historically ben_vulpes
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-26 19:55:20 dpb: thehorrors, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
asciilifeform expects the problem of low-snr folx will 'get fixed' by pestnet migration. 'shape up' or end up, at best, under sumbody's PCUT 0
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