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phf: well, ok, did i answer your question in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101809 ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-11 19:09:08 signpost: explain to me how this was the brainchild of a man of srs bsns with the amount of btc he claimed.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-01-27 mircea_popescu: so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe.
asciilifeform thought then , and still nao, that 'mighty rich' for fella sitting on pile of racketeered (and then 'btc mooned') dough to speak to folx who work for living and say 'yer a welfare child'
signpost: sure, *his* own words.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-27#1387075 << I'll even acknowledge the kindness in the second half of this sentence.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-01-27 mircea_popescu: but until such a time, i'll extend those dudes trying to do stuff the same slack i extend you, which is : who knows, maybe they are what they wish to be instead of what their environment seems to dictate. and maybe one day.
signpost: asciilifeform: the exit scam took me by surprise. oughtn't have, but did.
asciilifeform: signpost: recall, asciilifeform not surprised: it was consistent with 'i own this planet, you lice are just infesting it' pov
signpost: I see a pretty complex mixture of both in the same character, certainly.
asciilifeform: '19-fin trilema consisted mainly of over9000 km of this
signpost: at any rate, this is indeed less interesting than "what the hell do, and why" now.
signpost: but can inform what not.
asciilifeform: 'went to norway, it suxx, someone oughta burn it' 'went to vienna, it suxx, burn it' etc
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's pov, d00d cut off own hands & feet, then griped 'world suxx' until curtain.
signpost: practically speaking, I expect life to get much more dangerous, and believe that this project will only be more useful.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 23:08:56 signpost: it's above any particular goal. it's the refinement engine for meaning-making.
signpost imports the traditional definition of republic in TMSR, because there's an R at the end.
signpost: so yes, I get to connect everything to everything else and demand it all make sense, as my doing so is my contribution to the meaning refinery.
asciilifeform found, and finds, the terminology appealing, but cautions against 'suggestively-named lisp tokens'(tm)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 15:58:16 asciilifeform: mats: do you remember the 'suggestively-named lisp token' thread ?
verisimilitude: This was a cryptocurrency?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see src
signpost reading
signpost: sure, it's a reasonable admonition. "we called it republic, and therefore..."
asciilifeform: terminology has a dangerously seductive power to satisfy folx long in advance of anyffin interesting being achieved.
signpost: whatever one wishes to call the process where folks sit around the campfire and pick out eachother's mind parasites like brotherly primates, that.
signpost: the iterated that.
signpost: bad metaphor; will stick with refining meaning-making.
signpost: it's not a purification rite.
asciilifeform: is entirely systematizable process, like newton's method.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's observation is re the 'doing' being considerably moar important than the naming.
asciilifeform: hence asciilifeform's predilection for 'unsexy' names. 'pest', not 'reich remover', etc
asciilifeform: 'sitters around fire', rather than 'republic'
verisimilitude: It's best to avoid needing names, but the few names remaining should be particularly pleasant.
asciilifeform: 'what he should do instead is refer to this main loop as "G0034" and see if he can convince himself or anyone else that G0034 implements some part of understanding'.
signpost perfectly happy without high pretense.
asciilifeform must bbl
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 00:23:53 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see src
signpost: incidentally I grew to like the name pentacle when I started seeing the symbol as an idealized WoT representation.
signpost to bed also
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1101988 << re-read that thread. my heart leaped when I read this stupid interjection I reconsidered for a couple seconds if I was the one who wrote that... crazy how much you can change in a month and a half.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 00:19:54 signpost: practically speaking, I expect life to get much more dangerous, and believe that this project will only be more useful.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-31 23:39:58 crtdaydreams: bake 100`000`000`000 shitcoin; sell one for $50; ???; profit.
crtdaydreams: even re-reading a few of my earlier interactions here I easily come across as a complete fuckwit
verisimilitude: Don't worry; it just gets worse.
verisimilitude: I regret nothing here, but there's always some interaction, decades ago, to recall.
crtdaydreams: eh. wait what?
crtdaydreams: you've been here for *that* long?
verisimilitude: Well, I'm a different case, so I'll elaborate.
verisimilitude: A normal person will usually be in a cycle of this, and continually regret past actions, or something like this.
crtdaydreams: be my guest, open air innit?
verisimilitude: I used to feel regret, but decided to stop a while back. I've not felt remorse in something like a decade now.
crtdaydreams: wow, edgy.
crtdaydreams: I seriously don't see it as a negative thing though?
crtdaydreams: I think it's important as an indicator of growth.
verisimilitude: All it took was deciding I was no longer going to blame any past actions on my past self; my current self at the time was grown, and that was that.
verisimilitude: I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
crtdaydreams: What do you mean by "no longer going to blame any past actions on my past self"
verisimilitude: ``Look at what I did last year. I was so immature, but not now.''
verisimilitude: ``Look at what I did last year. I was so immature, but not now.''
verisimilitude: It can repeat indefinitely.
crtdaydreams: It just sounds like you're insecure.
verisimilitude: I may have been.
verisimilitude: I'm not now.
crtdaydreams: clarification; saying "Look what I did last year..." == insecurity
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102031 << alright, I get what you're saying here and I don't disagree.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:22:58 verisimilitude: I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
verisimilitude: No, that's reflection.
crtdaydreams: Cringing at the incarnation of your past self doesn't equate to growth.
crtdaydreams: But blaming past actions on past self is something different.
verisimilitude: I no longer cringe, because I no longer do things beside which I won't stand.
crtdaydreams: It doesn't neccessarily mean it's bad to have a look at something you said or did and have a chuckle or cringe. I would argue that it's important to have those moments, as it's at least indicative of some form of reflection, albeit superficial.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: that would imply then that the only form of "growth" for you is subjective.
crtdaydreams: also, at some point I think it's important to transcend the rudimentary binary of "based vs cringe"
verisimilitude: I never mentioned ``based'' nonsense; to cringe is a genuine verb, crtdaydreams.
verisimilitude: I refuse to allow fools to shorten my vocabulary.
verisimilitude: How is growth not subjective?
crtdaydreams: I never said growth is not subjective.
crtdaydreams: I only made the point that it is not merely subjective.
crtdaydreams: For example, a form of growth would be begot in validation.
crtdaydreams: This is rather fruitless banter.
verisimilitude: I was giving advice.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: the first part was good advice. but my derailment into objectivity and subjectivity was rather fruitless.
verisimilitude: We agree.
crtdaydreams: change of tack; would be curious as to thoughts on MBTI and mebbe results (if you're willing to share)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-07-26 trinque: I bothered to take the first myers-briggs test on your penultimate post
crtdaydreams: would be interesting to here more about it from signpost
crtdaydreams: I've taken the lackluster test on 16personalities multiple times over last few years once per yr ~approx~ and gotten the same result every time.
verisimilitude: Provide a link.
crtdaydreams: It's supposed to be based off Jungian archetypes
crtdaydreams: but I find it's misused and is more akin to astrology
crtdaydreams: pretty interesting results though
crtdaydreams guesses verisimilitude is INTJ
crtdaydreams: will bbl to hopefully hear result(s)
verisimilitude: ``Your personality type is: Architect INTJ-A''
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: doing any reading or dgaf?
verisimilitude: Yes; I intend to finish the book I'll be reviewing on 2022-05-15.
verisimilitude: I'm in the twentieth chapter, CAPITVLVM VĪCĒSIMVM, of my Latin book.
crtdaydreams: decode that last bit of latin for me will ya?
verisimilitude: ``twentieth chapter''
verisimilitude: CAPITVLVM VĪCĒSIMVM
verisimilitude: The VĪGINTĪ is twenty and VĪCĒSIMVM twentieth.
crtdaydreams: there ya go, learn somthing new everyday. "Capital" is derived from chapter, which probably has deeper roots/meanings
crtdaydreams: can't keep things simple and stick with IIVX
verisimilitude: These words are related to CAPVT CAPITIS meaning ``head''.
verisimilitude: The plural is CAPITA.
crtdaydreams: That makes more sense.
signpost: ah nvm, there's still a giant closed binwad component.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102015 << this is one of the great benefits of using a hypertext log for discourse.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 04:49:20 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1101988 << re-read that thread. my heart leaped when I read this stupid interjection I reconsidered for a couple seconds if I was the one who wrote that... crazy how much you can change in a month and a half.
signpost: just think what a fuckwit you'll think your former self in a few years. as well you should, if you're growing at all.
signpost: one can see all manner of fuckwit-ism coming out of me in the old logs. and it'll be there forever, and good.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102026 << this is the right mindset *if* it enables dispassionate analysis of one's prior state, rather than escape.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:20:45 verisimilitude: I used to feel regret, but decided to stop a while back. I've not felt remorse in something like a decade now.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:21:02 crtdaydreams: wow, edgy.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102039 << wrong. it is impossible to grow without searching yourself for error.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:24:46 crtdaydreams: clarification; saying "Look what I did last year..." == insecurity
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102046 << the fixation on evaluating the matter in emotional terms gets in your way. doesn't matter how you *feel* about your past self; matters what it tells you about your present circumstances.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:30:39 crtdaydreams: It doesn't neccessarily mean it's bad to have a look at something you said or did and have a chuckle or cringe. I would argue that it's important to have those moments, as it's at least indicative of some form of reflection, albeit superficial.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:34:28 verisimilitude: I never mentioned ``based'' nonsense; to cringe is a genuine verb, crtdaydreams.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102061 << "all models are wrong, some useful" comes to mind.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:45:28 crtdaydreams: change of tack; would be curious as to thoughts on MBTI and mebbe results (if you're willing to share)
shinohai: gm signpost, all o/
signpost thought he was introverted until he had better people in his life, and then found he rather benefited from and enjoyed being able to blither ideas at others.
shinohai: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $27974.41
signpost: shinohai: good morning!
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102031 << this is more/less the nietzschean algo. most people stop with his pronouncement of god being dead, rather than continuing to this.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 05:22:58 verisimilitude: I still ``grow as a person'', sure, but I never look back at something stupid I've said or written and cringe, because I no longer act without thinking beforehand.
signpost: question of what's one's relationship to time.
signpost: re BTC... it's had heavy correlation with nasdaq for iirc 4yrs now.
signpost: splat.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102090 << I always liked that about tmsr forum, if one said something stupid then it forces you to reflect on it and perhaps not be so dumb in future.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 09:49:37 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102015 << this is one of the great benefits of using a hypertext log for discourse.
signpost: mhm!
billymg: signpost: embedded widgets for fearful middle -- perhaps you're thinking of some kind of autonomous home defense / surveillance system that isn't part of amazon's botnet like every other product in that space?
bitbot: Logged on 2022-05-11 18:24:10 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101422 << would be 100% welcome. perhaps in re: what constitutes a sane, distributed control plane for embedded widgets.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-11 13:44:20 asciilifeform: would happily participate in signpost's scheme but likely is wrong type of plumber
bitbot: Logged on 2022-05-11 18:41:16 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101423 << perhaps the fearful middle during collapse, I think.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-11 13:50:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-11#1101395 << outta curiosity, what counts as 'soft target' ?
signpost: billymg: that is exactly what I'm thinking about.
billymg: who in the fearful middle wouldn't want a swarm of these patrolling his ranch
billymg: very cool!
billymg: would get fiat as well as btc customers most likely
signpost: I want to be on my feet with my rifle in hand before anyone gets to the front door.
signpost: w/e solves that.
signpost: and yes, without strengthening the panopticon in the process.
signpost: this might even be a gateway into wot-tronics for normies. consider what peering with trusted neighbors might provide.
shinohai would mount the firearm on drones ....
signpost: "hey bud, object moving in the direction of your place, at x,y,z"
signpost: eh firearm in human hands for quite a while, I'd say.
signpost: but modularity in such a product line's a good thing.
billymg: imo best offensive application of drones is kamikaze style
billymg: small disposable ones that self destruct on impact or whatever
billymg: impact with target only ideally, not tree branch
signpost: situational awareness is enough of a product, without inviting the militaries of earth to come kill you.
signpost: also keep in mind the device oughta be assumed to get hacked eventually.
billymg: right, even having a grid of fixed cameras scattered around your property, that are not Amazon Nest(tm), would be a win
signpost cautions against the "and then the world!" hubris in design of the thing.
asciilifeform played recreationally with microchoppers, regards'em as brittle & ultra-fiddly from 'erryday practical' pov
billymg: re: drones, if it's the republican model then the customer gets the base version and can add "upgrades" as he sees fit
signpost: sure, belongs to them. as asciilifeform points out, I'd start way simpler.
asciilifeform: for perimeter security, would prefer roof/tree/pole-mounted cameras with some reasonably image processing
signpost: tell me when something the size of long-pig enters a perimeter, and put it on the cameras.
signpost: right
asciilifeform: re 'exotica' -- cheap/encapsulated/mesh-netted/rf-powered cameras that could be e.g. cemented into walls, afaik unfilled market
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102125 << very cool. South African farmers would be a good target market.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 10:14:28 signpost: billymg: that is exactly what I'm thinking about.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102152 << i did a perimeter security system for ivory coast government, camera/motion sensor/capacitive sensor. for logistical reasons didn't get to go on deploy, which is major regret: business partner went and brought back a bunch of tony stark/lord of war photos
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 10:42:02 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102125 << very cool. South African farmers would be a good target market.
signpost: wow that's a fun project.
phf: this was during my lisp only consulting years, so it was done in lisp. video grid, interactive indicident analysis map, a handful of custom keyboard "point of sale" style. had some smart features (e.g. spatial aware incident elevation/propapagation allowed one to cycle through status elevated feeds only)
phf: windows lispworks of course :> your sensors run to switches that are all kinds of milspec and the topology of that is established by security people, so you get a dll that talks whatever protocol with the switches
phf: had no idea what i was doing, perimeter security people seemed to be ok with it, but also we were "the experts" kek. of course the way we got a contract is through gov official's son who we knew from dc club scene
phf: WHICH IS HOW THINGS ARE DONE
signpost: just good old wot traversal; nothing wrong with it.
signpost currently poking through alibaba for cameras. open ears if anyone recs a distributor.
signpost: the chinese really like making cameras.
signpost: was thinking of tacking one to a rockchip board that has video encoding acceleration to start.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 10:55:51 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102152 << i did a perimeter security system for ivory coast government, camera/motion sensor/capacitive sensor. for logistical reasons didn't get to go on deploy, which is major regret: business partner went and brought back a bunch of tony stark/lord of war photos
asciilifeform: phf: nifty
asciilifeform: is imho 'underappreciated, unsexy' field with much room for 'things that actually work' to be sold
asciilifeform: esp. on konsoomer level, where outright junk is ~100% of the current offerings
asciilifeform: ( and imho ties nicely into the 'avionics' thread. where can buy even simple ethernet camera which doesn't crash erry 3-6mo ? why not make one ? )
asciilifeform bought a place with 'state of art' alarm system, which, unsurprisingly, outrageous pile of shit in over9000 ways
billymg: i've come to the conclusion that any surveillance system sold to consumers these days is 100% for surveilling the consumer
billymg: and zero else
asciilifeform: billymg: the konsoomer, his neighbours, etc
billymg: exactly
asciilifeform: hilariously, even from that pov, junk
asciilifeform: e.g. house came with lulazon cameras nailed to the doors. both had stone-dead batteries
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-12#1102149 << with reasonable softs, 2-3 'geophones' one could cast into cement of sidewalk could give quite accurate picture of whether man or beast (good % of usa has deer) and where walking, and even what he's muttering under his breath
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-12 10:24:13 signpost: tell me when something the size of long-pig enters a perimeter, and put it on the cameras.
asciilifeform: and, bonus, inconspicuous
signpost: yeah, I was curious about accelerometers, but this seems better.
asciilifeform: general heuristic there is '1 -- move complexity from iron into soft; 2 -- write softs which actually work'
asciilifeform: a well-made geophone setup oughta be able to tell you even e.g. whether you have mice.
asciilifeform: ( and in general, how much weighs the fella who just stepped on your sidewalk )
signpost: highly applicable to me getting out of bed for long pig, and not coyotes.
signpost: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11744 << has single units. I'll order some.
asciilifeform: signpost: 1 of those things that'd win from old fashioned experimentation. ( conceivably the ideal microphone would be a set of ordinary piezos epoxied to a 'xylophone' of differently-sized ceramic bars, for diff. freqs )
asciilifeform: signpost: the linked <240hz item prolly entirely adequate for footsteps etc. you'll want a differential amplifier.
asciilifeform: will want 3 of'em, triangulate.
mats: cool
mats: i think this kind of thing is commonly known as seismic intrusion detection systems
mats: can't find an available consumer product with object recognition though
asciilifeform: mats: in 'golden toilet' market segment strictly, afaik
mats: would be a fun project with an nvidia jetson
mats: but what if you're under attack by centaurs
mats: or men with snowshoes
phf: or by christopher walken
asciilifeform: *centaurs
asciilifeform: ^ on 'theremin' principle
asciilifeform: interestingly, had self-destruct feature where would short out if carried off
asciilifeform: nifty also imho that 100% analogue.
mats: oh, like the thing
mats: which gave rise to conspiracy theories around havana syndrome
asciilifeform: mats: recall 'great seal bug' ?
asciilifeform: 'the orig. rfid'
mats: i thought it was called ragemaster
asciilifeform: mats: there was long list of various (1 for vga plugs, etc)
mats: can't have this discussion with mentioning michael ossmann https://archive.org/details/nsaplayset-toorcamp2014
mats: sdr hero
mats: without*
vex: consumer marine surveillance is getting pretty nifty. can hit a radar target at the horizon and the superzoom flir will bring it up all ~gyro stabilized
vex: if their transponder is on you get a headup of the details
vex: in a treed environment, best surveillance is the sounds the critters make
vex: if the wind is right, can hear old goanna on the next hill trying to creep about
vex: why is then that I can never hear the whir of a quadcopter until it's overhead?
phf: that almost sounds like a koan
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