vex: luckily cdd doesn't stay too far from the workshop.
vex: that nosuch stack. did it go to davey jones'?
vex: even with say, one tenth of the capital, some could set up in like hanoi.
vex: a bunch of engineers under the same roof eating cheap, tripping to shenzen & 5% tax
vex: start tooling up. organic growth, synergy
vex: i'll bring Bia hơi, logistics & marketing to meetings
vex: i'm also good at compliance
vex: the last thing you want is a dirty email from the fcc
mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089851 << since we're on the topic of money and business opportunities, this is still an extra layer of tinfoil beyond what i wear
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 14:08:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089804 << what diff would it make if 1 nsa stooge were to 'buy it from' anuther ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 02:10:00 mangol: PG's family is nearly billionaires from ycombinator iirc. norvig is rich from google. even if smbx ip costs a million, they could easily do it
mangol: derp state using rich lispers as stooges?
mangol: asciilifeform: or is this simply meant to be read as "rich lisper tries to do good, suddenly gets the linus / @jack treatment"?
mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089824 << i can entertain several motivations, but have trouble believing lispm's are that important
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 13:57:52 asciilifeform: can think of over9000 motivations for the reich to keep the thing dead & deeply buried.
mangol: afaict the leaked version of opengenera is missing a ton of the smbx sauce
mangol: not just the cad
vex: that's fast
vex: signpost as skipper
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090163 << this is the way
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 00:13:55 vex: a bunch of engineers under the same roof eating cheap, tripping to shenzen & 5% tax
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090166 << I'll bring home iron fab -- fabbed from home iron
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 01:05:35 vex: i'll bring Bia hơi, logistics & marketing to meetings
crtdaydreams: I wonder how hard it would be to string together ~multiple~ ice40s on a single board and have a couple running a microcontroller circuit?
crtdaydreams: make them behave like a larger array
verisimilitude: It would be easier to have them be islands with bridges connecting them.
crtdaydreams: I'm not sure if they could work like that.
crtdaydreams: For setting a cell you'd need two pins?
mangol: then you have to live in hanoi and shenzen
crtdaydreams: Perhaps a combination using bridges that are connected to a microcontroller input with diodes.
mangol: is everyone here planning to exit US/EU at some point?
crtdaydreams: In AU. and nope.
mangol: i'd like to stay if at all possible
mangol: AU even worse atm, seems like a test lab for craziest experiments in governance. hopefully you'll fare better in the future
crtdaydreams: imo media hypes it up too much.
crtdaydreams: it's just a bunch of geriatrics who got into their position because of who they knew
crtdaydreams: i.e. mick fuller, former NSW police deputy literally took out scomo's bins.
mangol: from outside it looks like you have a nanny state to rival britain & US
crtdaydreams: when it comes to being labs rats i think city folks are the ones really feeling it
crtdaydreams: out in the sticks nothing changed
mangol: probably right. could be a regional admin thing
mangol: then again, prolly same in every country. nobody bothers to monitor rural areas
crtdaydreams: so mebbe it's been a lot harder on 9-5 office plebs
mangol: AU had a gov't mandated phone app for covid stay-at-home "quarantine" at one point?
crtdaydreams: probably best bet is just find nice place to make unabomber cabin in da woods.
crtdaydreams didn't use it
crtdaydreams: app was just dumb.
mangol: everything is nowadays. but instructive how the mask is falling off the empire
crtdaydreams: instantly lost respect for people who unironically used it without being asked, and didn't have the balls to ask for paper when asked
crtdaydreams: my attitude was if you ~really~ want me to sign in anywhere I'll do it, but only on paper and if you ask nicely.
mangol: said around the internets, "we got the gayest possible dystopia"
crtdaydreams: bc. realistically nobody is going to check the paper unless region actually has covid cases, which is logical
crtdaydreams: but being logged 24/7 even when the possibility of covid is incredibly slim is just plain bad opsec
crtdaydreams: this isn't a dystopia
crtdaydreams: a dystopia is what's envisioned in 1984.
mangol: getting there
crtdaydreams: this is just the cycles of history, empires rise and fall
crtdaydreams: anyone who thinks what we've got today is anything close to 1984 clearly hasn't read orwell.
mangol: you think this is peak reich (in terms of elite's power over their subjects)?
crtdaydreams: hah nope.
mangol: i'm seeing some signs that lies are getting less effective and more coercion needs to be applied
crtdaydreams: If you want a pretty good outlook on the future read Revelations in the bible.
crtdaydreams: There's a pretty clear line between the prophesied "Mark of the Beast" and getting a microchip implant to buy/sell on the blockchain.
mangol: the way things are going, the implant ought to be a cakewalk
crtdaydreams: Peak reich is when you get your High School Certificate as an NFT.
mangol: make sure people can pay for starbucks lattes & play games using the implant
mangol: and it's a done deal
mangol: trade pokemon with people who sit at the same table, etc.
crtdaydreams: Just wire it up to a "tap and go" shitcoin wallet and that's the future.
crtdaydreams: El Salvador is halfway there.
crtdaydreams: They got the gox shitcoin, next step is mandated implants.
crtdaydreams: Won't need coercion if you have economic control.
mangol: covid theater featured plenty of coercion. blm riots got physical as well
mangol: the former is a logical continuation of 9/11 "everything is a threat, better be safe" mentality
crtdaydreams: Well before that, thinking linearly from covid; The precedent has been set that a large % of population is willing to surrender self-sovereignty to gox, so what's to stop them from doing it again? Our well-being is in the gox's interests, right?
crtdaydreams: Getting a microchip implant so you never lose your keys, ID, wallet etc. is all for the greater good!
crtdaydreams: I would like to skirt the doomerisms. I have hope that it won't end up like this. It's not too late to change tack to a cyber-utopia.
mangol: i beliebe we already had cyber-utopia - the silicon valley and wired magazine vibe in the 90s
crtdaydreams: heh. hell even the underground was a utopia of sorts.
mangol: mondo 2000, pirate bay, now bitcoin
crtdaydreams: a) devs release game, b) breakpoints, GOTOs and chiptune, c) demoparty d) release e) repeat
mangol: apple and tesla are recent re-runs of the overground/middle-ground cyber utopia
crtdaydreams: hehe. the hacker quarterly
mangol: and no cyber-utopia is complete without biohacking
crtdaydreams: I'd argue they're far more dystopic. Early apple wasn't.
crtdaydreams: Transhoomanism H++
mangol: the joke is that transhumanism and acceleration actually are the future. but trans = sub
mangol: the elite must be lollerskating all the way to the bank with that one
mangol: technologically accelerated dysgenics, soylent, and debt slavery
crtdaydreams: I once argued that I'm trans; I transcend the needs for gender constructs entirely and instead rely on a physical basis.
crtdaydreams: i.e. grade 7 biology.
mangol: A+, new paradigm in genderp studies
crtdaydreams: you could see the gears turning in that one
crtdaydreams: Here's the thing; gender is still a useful construct. It's not a very deep but it does provide a necessary abstraction of mind/body when understanding the psyche and early psychological disorders.
mangol: i was under the impression it's one of the deepest
crtdaydreams: Can't tell if sarcasm or not.
mangol: i can't tell if you were being sarcastic :D
crtdaydreams: I wasn't lol.
mangol: we've reached the singularity. specifically, the Poe's Law singularity
mangol: "Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, every parody of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied."
crtdaydreams: ** just googled at same time
mangol: the only way out is a total collapse of language and a fresh start. the dadaists were right.
crtdaydreams: better start learning mandarin.
crtdaydreams: mangol: ever seen Serial Experiments Lain?
mangol: crtdaydreams: yeah. obligatory for lispers. like "lost in translation" for antisocial nerds
mangol: also illustrative re: above. due to the depth of gender, there are no lains in real life. if people could truly be genderless, there would be plenty.
mangol: i'm fairly sure there are not even any trannies like that
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090174 << very different 'importance' to reich than to archaeologists. reagan's 'starwars'(tm) was a large % of the income, and various pentagon golden toilets -- a large % of the deployed installs.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 02:24:00 mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089824 << i can entertain several motivations, but have trouble believing lispm's are that important
asciilifeform: (of smbx inc. that is)
asciilifeform: iirc noftsker (last ceo) actually wrote a piece appealing for a bailout at one pt, arguing 'national security' concern
asciilifeform: this yielded no megabux, but did set in motion evidently a process whereby ownership of the corpse was passed from stooge to stooge ever since (and on the cheap)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090185 << obv. can connect >1, but they won't 'behave like larger array', given propagation delays and sparseness of i/o
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 04:21:06 crtdaydreams: make them behave like a larger array
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090161 << it was in mp's pocket, so asciilifeform has nfi where went. ( likely -- /dev/null )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 00:02:31 vex: that nosuch stack. did it go to davey jones'?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090176 << indeed was missing quite a few things
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 02:30:49 mangol: afaict the leaked version of opengenera is missing a ton of the smbx sauce
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $47862
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.068s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=729559
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.108s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.093s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=729559
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=729559 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.212s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.249s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.322s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.616s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=729559
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.254s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=395328 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090172 << recall also how one comes to 'be rich' in the reich. (e.g., and not all that diff. inside usa)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 02:21:10 mangol: derp state using rich lispers as stooges?
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-04-22 mircea_popescu: one of the best examples is a fellow known as varanul, ie dan voiculescu
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-21 18:22:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-21#1086901 << the ru oligarchs fwiw were creatures of the reich, whose purpose was to steal & exfiltrate as much as possible of what 80yrs of collective orcish sweat had built. and nao that the brakes were hit on this exfiltration, naturally, 'pig aint gonna get any fatter, time for the knife'
asciilifeform: pick an oligarch, large or 'small' -- gates, thiel, musk, graham, etc. and normally obv. as daylight that the dough came directly from 'printer goes brr'
asciilifeform: concretely, from crown concessions. from 1800s railroad land grants to current day.
asciilifeform: oligarch is expected to use the dough in certain ways, to promote interests of the reich. or gets 'cancelled'. (rare, given as the selection process is effective.)
mangol: venture capital is how reich wealth is passed from one generation of enterpreneurs to the next?
mangol: musk is an interesting example because he's quite recalcitrant. has persistent illusions of agency
jonsykkel: any math NERDS online?
jonsykkel: re onlinecodes papers: is there a math to turn such probability distribution into a function that takes a random number and returns (without iterating the distribution) a degree? (u put in 100k random numbers u get list of 100k degrees that fit probability distribution)
signpost: oh, without iterating. don't know.
signpost: seems like yes, if you are able to produce the nth prng output. depends on that.
jonsykkel: i guess the function would probably have to be unreasonably complex since method of generating that distribution has weird steps in it
jonsykkel: but no idea cuz math-illiterate
signpost: lemme have some tea and load this thing back into my head, had a bit of a late night.
signpost: also by no means a mathematics expert; more of a "do enough damage that perhaps someone ends up so galled that they fix the idea"-ist.
jonsykkel: probably not worth sacrificing too many cycles on, was mostly curious if theres some simple way to do it
jonsykkel: ah, similar approaches then
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090312 << various ways. e.g. box-muller transform converts a uniform to gaussian distribution. or see the 'soliton' equation in luby's paper, similar.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 14:05:07 jonsykkel: re onlinecodes papers: is there a math to turn such probability distribution into a function that takes a random number and returns (without iterating the distribution) a degree? (u put in 100k random numbers u get list of 100k degrees that fit probability distribution)
asciilifeform: there's no one algo that works for all cases; how to do it depends heavily on what yer transforming into what
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090310 << not obvious that the 'agency' is the man's rather than reich's. take e.g. musk: all of his ventures have sumthing rather direct to do with reich agenda ( satellite isp to puncture orc greatfirewalls (while naturally maintaining reich's) ; privatized orbital laughs; 'green' lulz )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 10:27:34 mangol: musk is an interesting example because he's quite recalcitrant. has persistent illusions of agency
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090309 << 'passing b/w generations' takes place above musk level, at the 1 inhabited by lizards whose names generally don't litter the fishwrap w/ any regularity ( e.g. the bush clan , rockefellers , et al )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 10:24:19 mangol: venture capital is how reich wealth is passed from one generation of enterpreneurs to the next?
asciilifeform: the musks are subordinate to these.
jonsykkel: i see, ill have look at luby paper
asciilifeform: 'entrepreneur' is also a lulzy reich shibboleth. applicable to a fella who bets his house to open a restaurant, arguably, but a musk or graham simply is given reich moneys by the traincar
asciilifeform: ( and not always even makes spectacular circus outta it for any appreciable time; consider e.g. branson )
verisimilitude: ``There is a terrifying and highly effective "method" that criminal hackers are now using to harvest sensitive customer data from Internet service providers, phone companies and social media firms. It involves compromising email accounts and websites tied to police departments and government agencies, and then sending unauthorized demands for subscriber data while claiming the information being requested can't wait for a court orde
verisimilitude: So, the limit is 435 characters.
verisimilitude: ``The reality that teenagers are now impersonating law enforcement agencies to subpoena privileged data on their targets at whim is evident in the dramatic backstory behind LAPSUS$, the data extortion group that recently hacked into some of the world’s most valuable technology companies, including Microsoft, Okta, NVIDIA and Vodafone.''
verisimilitude: It's funny how ``the world's most valuable technology companies'' must never face any consequences for being bested by children. No, but the children themselves should suffer for it.
verisimilitude: ``Nicholas Weaver, a security specialist and lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley, said one big challenge to combating fraudulent EDRs is that there is fundamentally no notion of global online identity.''
verisimilitude: Well, I read the article by this stupid asshole so ye needn't.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090335 << 510 - len(nick)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:24:59 verisimilitude: So, the limit is 435 characters.
verisimilitude: Check the logs and see.
asciilifeform too few cycles atm, invites other folx to correct
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:23:26 verisimilitude: ``There is a terrifying and highly effective "method" that criminal hackers are now using to harvest sensitive customer data from Internet service providers, phone companies and social media firms. It involves compromising email accounts and websites tied to police departments and government agencies, and then sending unauthorized demands for subscriber data while claiming the information being requested can't wait for a court orde
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090337 << picture if microshit were somehow held to answer for the virii, crashes, data loss, etc it enables
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 15:27:14 verisimilitude: It's funny how ``the world's most valuable technology companies'' must never face any consequences for being bested by children. No, but the children themselves should suffer for it.
verisimilitude: Well, the HTML logs and dulapbot have conflicting views, I see.
asciilifeform: 'there is no quick and easy way for a company that receives one of these EDRs to know whether it is legitimate' << apparently reich polizei not only never heard of e.g. pgp, but dun even use the faux-pgp used in usg.dod microshitisms
asciilifeform: ( was, yes, 'outlook' plugin, privkey stored on office key card, enabled with n digit (yes) pw )
mangol: zx2c4 made cgit in addition to wireguard?
jonsykkel: also password gpg thing "pass"
jonsykkel: made everythign aparently
mangol: except money :-(
mangol: tl;dr of this channel
jonsykkel: that us
zx2c4: Hahaha except money
zx2c4: Mirceaaaaa come back to life and save this channel
verisimilitude: Most of us can lead ourselves just fine.
verisimilitude: I'm an expert in making no money, for I don't write things for which anyone would ever want to pay.
mangol: zx2c4 was referring to mp's lost coin
mangol: i presume
mangol: now "gifted" to all btc owners. in the purest spirit of socialism
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090359 << chan dun need saving, atm e.g. bw & mains of the box paid up through july. ( after asciilifeform starves -- or, preferably, even before -- move to pestnet )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 18:02:28 zx2c4: Mirceaaaaa come back to life and save this channel
asciilifeform: zx2c4: iirc you also missed several lulzy years where mp declared asciilifeform persona non grata & couldn't stfu for even 1d re how 'ruined errything'
zx2c4: Oh nose... I guess that was somewhere along the road of losing his mind or something
asciilifeform: zx2c4: likely alcoholism/substance abuse
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:14:39 asciilifeform: or, for that matter, his (admitted!) cocaine. imho still shows typical effects, even tho supposedly quit.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-28#1089941 << had a feeling in my butt... https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/889452/953e190af78809a7/
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 13:48:46 signpost: huh, does this mean early entropy is degraded on old platforms with this patch?
signpost has certainly never touched a codebase with such tangled consequences as this.
thimbronion: this guy never heard of trb I guess: https://achow101.com/2022/03/syncing-0.5.0
asciilifeform: wb phf !
asciilifeform: phf: which side of ocean are you in these days? and whatcha been upto
phf: asciilifeform: i'm back in u.s., but not because of recent events. been living between moscow and appalachia
asciilifeform: wb to gringolandia..
asciilifeform: phf: prolly can still get out through e.g. south am ?
phf: asciilifeform: get out from which place to which place :D
phf: everywhere is "maybe can still get out" now
phf: i flew the last direct aeroflot flight though, i know people who returned by emirates at 10x the price
asciilifeform: if could agree where is 'out', it'll be standing room only there
phf: asciilifeform: there's no out anymore, last stand will be wherever you are
asciilifeform: well music still playing, sort of, folx still switching chairs
asciilifeform recs to phf to get on alpha pest net, may become moar interesting place as 'music dies'
phf: aye, i've been skimming the logs (hence periodic updates to btcbase, etc.)
asciilifeform: phf: peering info for asciilifeform's station when you've the cycles.
phf: so ftr btcbase registration was done by mp, i haven't tried reaching out to hanna, seemed crass to go asking about it after mp passed away. the expiration on it is 2025, after which the future of its dns is presently out of my control
asciilifeform: phf: thimbronion's thing mostly worx
asciilifeform: phf: once yer on pestnet (or even nao) can simply tell folx ip when need
asciilifeform: signpost is slowly baking a http-over-pest, at which pt even this will be an archaicism
thimbronion: wb phf
signpost: hey phf, good to hear from you.
signpost is trinque.
phf: signpost: hey! i mean, you and ascii still being here, chugging along, is the reason why i rejoined
asciilifeform still, well, asciilifeform
phf: and vex
asciilifeform: indeed even him
asciilifeform: and even coupla n00bs
signpost: seemed time to put an older hat on, was signpost on IRC for many years.
phf: i've been doing the whole appalachia larp, hunting, horses, gardening, fixing parts on lifted old vehicles, that sort of thing
asciilifeform: good for health
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 286d 22h 37m
phf: i also attempted to recreate similar lifestyle in russia, and my take is that russia is kind of a shithole. unless you're going for the whole "one year in taiga", there's not really place to put a compound of any kind: there's going to be some local warlord or prince that'll decide to fuck with you, just because you stand out/have resources/etc.
asciilifeform: prince not ate yet.
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't get that
asciilifeform: phf: well in usa also ' don't stand out or may be eaten '
asciilifeform: life at the bottom of food chains is very similar anywhere
phf: asciilifeform: there's a lot more breathing room in u.s., or perhaps what constitues standing out is different
asciilifeform: 'shtirlitz didn't know what gave him away, was it the dragging parachute, the 'katusha' he was singing, or maybe the cyrillic tag inside his overcoat'(tm)
phf: milok, are you perhaps a spy? -- ... why do you think that? -- well it's just that we's never seen a black fellah around here
asciilifeform not even been 1ce to modern ru. so can't comment in depth
asciilifeform stuck looking through various telescopes like anybody else
phf: there's a variety of very odd telescopes. i've helped out an australian "covid refugee" on my last trip, who left for russia with his family because "churches are open!"
phf: there's the new right wing eschatology "i'll leave for russia, which is not the globohomo!", with its mirror urban russian escatology "i'll leave for anywhere else, which is where iphone!"
asciilifeform heard of such folx but never directly from'em
asciilifeform: 'sausage emigrant' replaced, yes, with 'ipnoje emigrant' when ~errywhere came to have similarly rubbish sausage
asciilifeform until phf confirmed, wondered whether 'usa escapees to ru' even exist, or mythical product of 'counter-globohomo' wanksphere
phf: heard a joke, "it took medvedev 10 years to build skolkovo (a kind of technopark dev shop area in ru), and only a week for putin to turn yerevan into silicon valley"
phf: that's re phnoje emigrant
asciilifeform: well afaik they're mostly a 'i work for london and would like to keep getting the paycheques' emigres
signpost is aware with ru fetishism among meatwot limbaugh demographic.
signpost: *aware of
asciilifeform: signpost: rright, but assumed it was in style of 'anime gurl 2dsexual' fetish
signpost: yep, only seen ^
phf: asciilifeform: somewhat, but the whole "i'm going to move to civilization!" is/was a kind of "i'll start exercising tomorrow" thing for urban it workers. when the tanks moved, a lot of people just panic moved. i know somebody who's not even an it worker, but jumped to dubai, just to discover that "very expensive", but they did it in the first few days
asciilifeform recently contemplated the unpopularity of btcism in ru despite 'best possible conditions' for same
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-15 10:45:24 asciilifeform: mats: asciilifeform finds interesting the continued disdain for btc in ru (and not merely among officials, who run own 'printer, brrr' and one'd expect, but among commoners) -- is seen as instrument of foreign domination
asciilifeform: well anywhere 'expensive' if yer broke; and conversely
phf: signpost: i've met some of these people, they exist, but obv not anywhere in the quantity that online larping might imply. i don't know what happens to them after the honeymoon period is over (they get american special treatment, dollar goes a long way, lots of superficial freedoms immediately available, etc.)
asciilifeform: phf: i imagine they feel great while their bags of dough reasonably still full
signpost has no delusions of being welcomed anywhere outside the empire, staying put for now.
asciilifeform was never happier anywhere than in '17 in ro, but only brought enuff green for 2wks and after that had to go back to where one gets more
asciilifeform not moved anywhere, because what actually wants is to move outta workschwitz, and at his place in foodchain this requires 'a different globe' rather than simply plane ticket..
phf: asciilifeform: there's also the fetishism. russians in russia love americans, despite.. you go to any party, restaurant, event, police encounter, whatever, you get special treatment
asciilifeform: phf: not visibly changed since ukrowank?
phf: no idea, but i doubt that it would've changed
phf: diehard vatniks would rant against america to girl, while offering gifts and treats and libations. "come to our place, meet wife, i tell you more why we should bomb your country!"
signpost: I don't know this guy, but he seems alright.
phf: it's this odd combination of strong opinions, and almost shy friendliness. once they discover that you /want/ to pay attention to them...
signpost wouldn't be surprised if the sense is approximately "you're going where we went. hurry up already, before we have to help you"
signpost: both were biblical-scale utopian failures.
phf: signpost: i'm slow today, i've spent the weekend entertaining guests, mixing white russians moscow mules, so you'll have to elaborate on your point
phf: *and moscow mules
asciilifeform: phf: #a runs on 'geological' timescale, slow is ok
signpost: yep np. it seems a great waste that there's a decent chance that the former USSR and USSA will deal serious damage to each other.
signpost: only two political machines so far that have made notable moves beyond earth.
signpost: chinese catching up I suppose.
signpost: what I meant by "going where we went" is that the USA is going to implode inward in a complexity collapse, if it does not force someone's hand into ww3.
phf: ah got it
thimbronion: phf: I used to be gernika. I once helped you test the osx eulora build.
phf: aaah, yeah, damn that feels like a lifetime ago :)
thimbronion: phf yes a vastly different time
phf: i believe at the time the plan was tmsr will put an end to america
signpost figured then too, thing would fall inward first.
signpost: and the task was to have structure in place that'd hold during and after.
signpost: still consider that the task ftr, though with no delusions about personal leverage.
thimbronion: personally can't think of anything better to do, and belive me I've tried.
verisimilitude: Learn Latin.
thimbronion: verisimilitude: I already learned greek. Can't get up the energy to do Latin too.
verisimilitude: I want to learn Greek after a few years of Latin.
verisimilitude: How is it?
phf: signpost: i have no idea how that's to be accomplished anymore.
phf: it turns out that the amish don't need programmers :o
signpost: I won't cry if all I get is a toast with my internet frens when I let y'all know I just saw the flash.
phf: ha, good enough
thimbronion: verisimilitude: hard to sum up succinctly but Greek is quite elegant and the experience was very rewarding. Thoroughly enjoyable to read even snippets of Aristotle or Xenophon in the original.
asciilifeform lives on '7' mark of the proverbial nuke dartboard, unlikely to have comments after flash, lol
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090466 << imho 'expectations inflation' was a serious & ultimately fatal disease of #t
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 22:28:32 signpost: still consider that the task ftr, though with no delusions about personal leverage.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-04 13:46:08 asciilifeform: mp was talented mountebank, a la barnum, and in #t maintained an addictive, to many folx, atmosphere of 'движуха' (untranslatable, but roughly 'errything in motion!!', 'happening!')
thimbronion will pour one out for y'all down south
asciilifeform: why ty thimbronion
phf: once i have some time to hack on pest, i think i should make one of those "war games" maps of pest nodes, so that when the rockets fly we can see blink out of operation one after another
asciilifeform if alive for coupla more yrs intends to demonstrate pest w/out the telecom grid fwiw
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 16:28:19 asciilifeform: and pest's 'if you can decrypt it, it's for you' is pretty good fit for radioism.
asciilifeform: the softs part is moar or less ready for it
asciilifeform: thx to thimbronion's efforts
asciilifeform: and if asciilifeform doesn't, well, somebody else (e.g. phf in appalachia, or thimbronion in cr, or) just as readily.
thimbronion: I believe jonsykkel's pestron works well too, though haven't actually logged in via one
asciilifeform not tried yet
asciilifeform: but if in fact ripe, then similarly suitable, protocol already doesn't particularly care whether over ip or 9600baud am
asciilifeform: (i.e. if yer able to decrypt, you know you're the addressee, and the fella with whose key you decrypted -- is the sender)
phf: signpost: i've been curious, do you have one of those "100 acres where you sit on the porch and plink at beer cans" properties, or it's more of a suburban arrangement?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090473 << the mega-discovery is that nobody needs programmers; simply some not realized yet, lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-29 22:40:38 phf: it turns out that the amish don't need programmers :o
phf: asciilifeform: sshh!
verisimilitude: I anticipate being able to read the Roman stories in the original Latin, thimbronion.
phf: apropos mp's "programmer boys and camwhore girls"
asciilifeform: amish btw seem to have taken up pnojes. conceivably may take an interest in similar w/out the reich.grid dependency. (or not)
asciilifeform: ( and oblig )
signpost: phf: nah, I'm in the burbs in Austin.
verisimilitude: The policy is ``nice to have, not nice on which to depend''.
signpost: started looking for a place in New Hampshire, halted that project because I expect a recession.
signpost: will buy then.
thimbronion: verisimilitude: I would like to read Petronius in the original. Maybe the Metamorphoses.
phf: asciilifeform: it was one of those pessimistic jokes, which i don't know why i made, because i have direct experience with the opposite. in reality i now know a fair bit about john deer firmware and messaging protocol..
signpost once lived on a ranch in very rural PA, though.
signpost: phf: doing any tractor automation then?
verisimilitude: This was fun to write:
verisimilitude: DEVS MŌNSTRVŌSVS MŌNSTRŌRVM
verisimilitude: The monstrous god of monsters.
phf: signpost: nah, tractor hacking is mostly done so that you can put aftermarket replacment parts, though i hear you can also do "improvements".
phf: outside of particularly hardcore (or one could maybe allege "tourist oriented") areas where they will use horse drawn plows, the amish love their john deere
thimbronion: "gas flows through the Yaml-Europe pipleine have dropped to zero"
phf: ah fuck that it takes forever, https://archive.ph/0j8b1
asciilifeform: 'no money, no honey' ?
signpost: seems like reuters is being very careful not to say who's doing what
phf: "nord stream 1 meanwhile is fully operational"
signpost gonna hit the hay.
asciilifeform: 'night signpost
signpost: good to hear from ya again phf, night all.