(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-30 03:56:51 gregorynyssa: should every page be required to declare all outgoing links in a header-section?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-29 04:20:20 gregorynyssa: vex: you should spend more time in #pest. I miss your presence over there.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: used to be moar olympiady, supposedly.
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: billymg: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ujXn
(pest) phf[asciilifeform]: actually no it was because of "Data Path Generator" by shrobe (who worked on scheme-81 and later on ivory) which comes closest to gregorynyssa's particular usage: in one place “…such as Lisp interpreter of Scheme-81)” presumably refers to a Lisp Machine Lisp, but elsewhere “DPL is a LISP based symbolic layout langu
(pest) asciilifeform: phf: no shortage of these examples. nfi what gregorynyssa was reading, by all signs subsists on a diet of 1970s 'ai for trs-80' maculature, lol
(pest) phf[asciilifeform]: but gregorynyssa was clearly refering to what is called, with proper capitalization, “Lisp family of languages”
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: the cult-following which developed around Paul Graham and Arc shot down the usage of LISP.
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-27#1010753 << Maclisp/MacLisp was the name of a particular language, not the class of languages.
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-27#1010729 << the use of "Lisp" (uppercase L, lowercase "isp") to refer to CL, Scheme, etc. collectively is a "Paul Grahamism."
(pest) asciilifeform: further re gregorynyssa -- iirc he went to write a pestron (in java? cobol? or what was it) -- so maybe in fact moving on from 'read many boox!'(tm) to action
(pest) bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: I have read many books and papers regarding the LISP languages without really using them.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: rright, but afaik no one went 'hmm, i wanna write the perfect modern lisp, where shall i do it? hmm jvm'. orig. audience was folx already condemned to jvm
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-27 10:32:08 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: asciilifeform's objection was re 'this is the Troo Modern Lisp!' etc. nonsense.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: asciilifeform's objection was re 'this is the Troo Modern Lisp!' etc. nonsense.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: maybe easier to understand e.g. clojurism if you realize that there were then (and still nao) 'over9000' wretches condemned to life in java salt mines; items like 'armed bear', clojure, were rather analogous to the pin-ups seen in prison cells, folx were trying to make their imprisonment slightly moar tolerable.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-27 10:03:55 gregorynyssa: then I read the "Thumbs Down for Clojure" post.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: phf used, commented at length
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i.e. for actual work
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: asciilifeform not used the commercial lisps 'in anger' (at any serious length anyway)
(asciilifeform) signpost: gregorynyssa: I've never used one of the commercial lisps. asciilifeform and phf have, I believe.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: what, from your pov, is 'large coad' ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-25 05:30:40 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: what programming-language features are necessary to handle large codebases? how does Ada address this problem?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: clos -- yes, mop -- strictly if you find it interesting ( asciilifeform admits, never used the latter in anger, as it didn't quite work 100% on sbcl when last tried )
(asciilifeform) adlai|text: gregorynyssa: why would they not be!?
(asciilifeform) billymg: gregorynyssa: can you send me your ip so i can try adding you to my at?
(pest) dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-21 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: it should but there's a lot of GETDATA spam from crtdaydream's smalpest client
(asciilifeform) billymg: gregorynyssa: ack. added your key. my ip is the same that pestnet.io resolves to, port is 7778
(asciilifeform) billymg: gregorynyssa: yeah, let's try it
(pest) billymg[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: i added a blank entry for you with `/peer gregorynyssa`, seems to have added you to my nicklist at least
(asciilifeform) bitbot: Logged on 2022-07-21 20:38:45 gregorynyssa: billymg: you are the author of the logger, is that right? can you confirm whether this is the case?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: rright but you have folx (incl. asciilifeform circa '15) who 'ugh verbose, fucking bureaucrats, where are my {{{}}}'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: not ml per se, but an in-house 'ml-esque' concoction
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-21 22:32:15 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: asciilifeform consults for a co where this. has own problems.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: asciilifeform consults for a co where this. has own problems.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'lipstick on sow'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-21 20:38:14 gregorynyssa: perhaps the logger ignores people who are not on a whitelist.
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: gregorynyssa: should yes, since ur within pestradius of logger
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: gregorynyssa: cool, is readable anywhere?
(asciilifeform) jonsykkel: gregorynyssa: sure leme genkey
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the point of cbc is to prevent a situation where 2 identical plaintexts (or identical subsets thereof) end up as identical ciphertexts (or subsets thereof)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: see in his 'serpent.py'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: if yer looking at blatta src, it is confusing in this respect, thimbronion in fact pasted in an implementation 'serpent_cbc_encrypt/decrypt' that takes an 'iv' defaulting to 0 (and never sets it), but does start msg with the nonce per spec (so in fact works out logically to correct algo)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform suspects that gregorynyssa's confusion stems from having worked w/ aes , where there is an explicit init vector. in serpent, there aint one. the 'nonce' referred to in pest spec simply sits down as the 1st 16byte block.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: where didja get yer notion re 16 zeros ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: '16 bytes of garbage, exclusively for use as cipher nonce; obtained from a hardware TRNG where possible. This value is not used for any purpose following decryption.'
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: gregorynyssa: it should but there's a lot of GETDATA spam from crtdaydream's smalpest client
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-21 05:29:56 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: when the red packet is encrypted using CBC, is the initialization-vector an array of sixteen zero-bytes?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-21 05:25:11 gregorynyssa: thimbronion: if the messages come from a different address/port, does your station update the address/port within its records?
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I currently have no address configured for you, but it should update automatically upon receipt of a packet from your station.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: gregorynyssa: yes that is the handle I have set for you
(asciilifeform) gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: as mentioned above to "thimbronion," my username is: gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) gregorynyssa: thimbronion: did you set my username to: gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ukristan as currently advertised fwiw is a kind of 'taiwan', i.e. provincial shithole massaged into delusions of nationality by interested foreign powers
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: will happily clarify. asciilifeform was born in ye olde su; in a historically ru town, with little connection to 'tru ukrs' (w/ exception of, lol, 2 grades of ukr school)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: is hometown of 'over9000' folx, large and small. population ~1e6 even today
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-15 14:15:51 gregorynyssa: I haven't yet read anything by Stephenson, but probably ought to.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: have a phree cheap&angry translation of yer thing : 'if there be one who earned a dismal fate / and must a frightful punishment await / condemn him not to fiery smithy's hearth / nor to the miner's toils beneath the earth / to scholar's book let him instead be bound / for every kind of pain is therein found. '
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: if you read n.stephenson's 'anathem' -- the penal 'book' from same
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i've a cl serpent, from while back, but not cycles to do anyffin useful w/it presently
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: possibly signpost might help, iirc he did hard time in java mines not so many yrs ago
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: wb gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: hi gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-14 12:39:10 gregorynyssa: "mens supra materiam"
(asciilifeform) shinohai: >in b4 verisimilitudes shows up to correct gregorynyssa's Latin ......
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !q seen gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: wb gregorynyssa !
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-12 13:04:27 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it long ago went from 'mistake, like leaded petrol' to deliberate 'job-creating tech' fraud.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:09:05 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: re self-rule -- j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed'. mandatory reading on subj.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-22 18:13:08 gregorynyssa: the central aim of British upper-class boarding schools is to teach such traditions, principles, and manners as to promote solidarity among the upper class.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:38:57 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: familiar with inca empire? and phrase 'palace economy' ?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:15:36 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i picked up quigley and was not impressed. much dead forest, very little said.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-21 17:27:23 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: hypothetically solves ddosism (you can build, hypothetically, a device which forwards only validly-signed packets at GB/s)
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-10 10:09:26 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: successful paperization requires the paper-buying chumps to perceive it as 'just as good or better than real thing'. e.g. paper gold/btc/etc can be leveraged (can borrow against it and allow it to auto-liquidate if margin called).
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: Of possible interest: received some packets from gregorynyssa's pest station. Successfully decrypted but there's an issue with timestamps. My station seems to think his packets are stale.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: !!key gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-10 10:09:26 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: successful paperization requires the paper-buying chumps to perceive it as 'just as good or better than real thing'. e.g. paper gold/btc/etc can be leveraged (can borrow against it and allow it to auto-liquidate if margin called).
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-01 16:12:09 gregorynyssa: I noticed a distrubing trend that when people say they value "Western traditional thought" without qualification, they basically just mean that they are huge fans of Thomas Carlyle.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: (alethepedia) 2020-12-04 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: My sources are all second hand, referenced mainly in podcasts like Freedomain radio. He references and interviews several IQ researchers.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-22 18:13:08 gregorynyssa: the central aim of British upper-class boarding schools is to teach such traditions, principles, and manners as to promote solidarity among the upper class.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-28 11:11:39 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: so IRC protocol requires network-graph to be undirected + acyclical. that explains a lot.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-27 10:05:17 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i admit that i will not be greatly astonished if he were to turn up alive at some point. like just about errything else he had done in life, this could readily be another elaborate, heavily intellectualized ego-pumping scam.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo gregorynyssa shinohai and possibly others ^
(asciilifeform) whaack: gregorynyssa: yes i think it's repeated trauma against the ribbcage
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-30 18:12:10 whaack: gregorynyssa: well i will pray to odin that my ailment magically dissapears forever like yours did
(asciilifeform) whaack: gregorynyssa: well i will pray to odin that my ailment magically dissapears forever like yours did
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-30 18:01:01 whaack: gregorynyssa: My first episode appeared out of nowhere, or at least i don't remember what triggered it, the second (current) episode happened after a specific action.
(asciilifeform) whaack: gregorynyssa: My first episode appeared out of nowhere, or at least i don't remember what triggered it, the second (current) episode happened after a specific action.
(asciilifeform) whaack: gregorynyssa: do you recall the first moment of pain?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: nobody but maniacs 'talks like this', lol
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: elaborate statefulness sucks, there's gotta be a cleaner solution.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: how so? i.e. can you use a standard ircd w/ such item ? (how?)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: you do understand how this aint irc nomoar, but new protocol, right?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-27 17:12:08 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-27#1041039 << any experience with Unity or Unreal? I was thinking of trying the latter.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-27 06:15:07 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-27#1040941 << Mircea and Popescu are both common names in Romania. it might not be the same person.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-27 06:12:16 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-27#1040948 << Curtis Yarvin served this role for me. I ultimately did not agree with most of his views, but he helped me by exposing the propaganda of others.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-27 06:12:16 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-27#1040948 << Curtis Yarvin served this role for me. I ultimately did not agree with most of his views, but he helped me by exposing the propaganda of others.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-27 10:05:17 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i admit that i will not be greatly astonished if he were to turn up alive at some point. like just about errything else he had done in life, this could readily be another elaborate, heavily intellectualized ego-pumping scam.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i admit that i will not be greatly astonished if he were to turn up alive at some point. like just about errything else he had done in life, this could readily be another elaborate, heavily intellectualized ego-pumping scam.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: Looks like gregorynyssa connected to the net and killed us.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: or how about where the thing disconnects machine operator rather than peers
(asciilifeform) signpost: gregorynyssa perhaps try putting hub_mask = "*"; in your connect blocks
(asciilifeform) signpost: btw thimbronion it appears I have lost my connection to gregorynyssa when I achieved one with your server
(asciilifeform) signpost: blah! I added descriptions on my end and yep, paired up with gregorynyssa now
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-22 20:45:00 gregorynyssa: it parses the SERVER command as "SERVER $1 $2 $3" but sends it as "SERVER $1 $2 :"
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-22 14:14:33 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: suppose we don't use any FPGA. suppose you directly owned a fabrication-facility and could perform your own runs on whim. how low does the process-width have to be, for it to be worth your time?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i'm aware
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-22 21:30:09 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: btw mine's 3.0.9 and i thought it was latest
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-23 06:33:22 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-22#1040501 << the original "ircd" was written by a Finnish man surnamed Oikarinen.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: btw mine's 3.0.9 and i thought it was latest
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-22 20:45:00 gregorynyssa: it parses the SERVER command as "SERVER $1 $2 $3" but sends it as "SERVER $1 $2 :"
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: abstractly, yes, i want a vgenesis of ~a~ usable, for this application, item. is 'ratbox' shortest path to this? nfi currently
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: possibly. but strictly if it can be made to pass basic smoke tests, and behave minimally sanely.
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: gregorynyssa and I stumbled across an error message: ....Z...:gregory.nyssa 461 * SERVER :Not enough parameters
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: Also note that although there are two connect clauses, neither are working. I don't believe signpost has added the connect clause I sent him yet, but I've been coordinating with gregorynyssa and not had any luck connecting with him based on the connect clause he sent me.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: hypothetically solves ddosism (you can build, hypothetically, a device which forwards only validly-signed packets at GB/s)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ostensibly to kill lag-zombies
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-21 17:00:33 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'unreal' won't accept a JOIN before it emits some crapola ack'ing USER
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'unreal' won't accept a JOIN before it emits some crapola ack'ing USER
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i use irssi fwiw. but again not what the thrd is about, i dun recall anyone looking for rec for new irc client.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: notyet, i suspect it's a salted hash at most
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: unfortunately even this turned out was not a complete description, there are various idiocies pertaining to particular ircd implementation which in practice matter.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: not simply 'minimal', but actually decentralized.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i rec to read entire 18 june log, if you want to make sense of all of this.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-21 16:34:02 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: atm under discussion is simply subset of ancient irc.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: atm under discussion is simply subset of ancient irc.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-21 15:27:26 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-21#1040312 << maybe we can ask suckless.org if they have any recommendations.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-21 14:07:54 trinque: gregorynyssa: mind pasting your whole config for me with the passwords removed?
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: mind pasting your whole config for me with the passwords removed?
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-20 16:42:15 gregorynyssa: signpost: I made some revisions to the configuration-file. please try again.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-20 09:49:47 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: trinque: this should be my connection-stanza, encrypted and signed: https://pastebin.com/raw/sTKdp7Q6
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: notice, trinque asked for 'GPG signed-and-encrypted comment'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: loox like you beat me to the finish. but you will need to make a new set of pw, and do this again: you put it up in plaintext...
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-19 12:12:34 signpost: heh, hopefully gregorynyssa checks the logs soon and joins us.
(asciilifeform) signpost: heh, hopefully gregorynyssa checks the logs soon and joins us.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-18 16:47:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'must' is bogus there, there were similar guis in '90s at 100x smaller mass.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: bloat is not the 'cost' of anything, gregorynyssa , other than of tolerating the perpetrators of bloat.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'slack' (chat proggy the earlier thrd was about) weighs what it does because it is simply a rebadged 'chrome'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'must' is bogus there, there were similar guis in '90s at 100x smaller mass.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: a++, watch for instructions in coming days. folx who link up will need to pgpgram signed auth turds etc.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-10 02:27:55 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-09#1038521 << is there any remaining hope of bringing back 1980s style FGPAs?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: if you can somehow interfere with this (i.e. set things up so that holding the real thing confers advantages which paper cannot) then have a chance at a depaperized coin.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: successful paperization requires the paper-buying chumps to perceive it as 'just as good or better than real thing'. e.g. paper gold/btc/etc can be leveraged (can borrow against it and allow it to auto-liquidate if margin called).
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-10 02:25:02 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-08#1038467 << Mr Yarvin mentioned in a fairly recent article that any coin can be turned into a security if some wealthy person or group creates a second coin and declares that the two shall be pegged.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-08 09:15:12 gregorynyssa: I don't know who said the quote "politics is downstream from culture" but it is a very crucial observation.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: elite 100% supports plebecontrol systems -- mega-surprise?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-06-03 02:30:22 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-02#1038179 << that is so tragic...
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: lotsa folx like this, most simply won't admit.
(alethepedia) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i can hear and read most of the yugoslavs just fine.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-28 01:03:43 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: I never got around to asking, do you see any future for SQL within your sane computing environment? have you read the Third Manifesto by Date and Darwen?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-28 00:55:09 gregorynyssa: zx2c4: asciilifeform: GUIs aside, the community never even mastered the art of building TUIs, owing to "terminal madness," or "termios madness."
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Be that book or WWW link, gregorynyssa?
(asciilifeform) zx2c4: gregorynyssa: ^
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: correct, whole 'multiculti' nonsense was from beginning a cheap ploy by elite.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: neither the minoans nor the incas 'had patent' on this glue trap. it's a consequence of the dominant tech paradigm of the time, simply.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:38:57 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: familiar with inca empire? and phrase 'palace economy' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: familiar with inca empire? and phrase 'palace economy' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the fundamental rot in question is discussed in the old logs.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:34:45 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: observe that only dysfunctional enclaves are Officially supported.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: observe that only dysfunctional enclaves are Officially supported.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the latter outgrowth of usg support for antisovietism in any form
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: where ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: for some $ethnic, for others nope
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: was addressed to gregorynyssa if wasn't clear
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it'sa pretty 'expensive' religion (vs, say, 1 which simply posits that cthulhu sleeps beneath the seas, or similar non-obligating statement)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:01:59 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the notion that 'sentience' is a binary, is a religious belief.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the notion that 'sentience' is a binary, is a religious belief.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:00:56 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the flies on the walls of the school, by that token, oughta be 100% as cultured as the bipedal pupils, neh
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the flies on the walls of the school, by that token, oughta be 100% as cultured as the bipedal pupils, neh
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:49:35 verisimilitude: It sickens me that so-called professional journalists write English worse than anything of mine, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: It sickens me that so-called professional journalists write English worse than anything of mine, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: every once in a while i pick up one of these 21st c. anglo-wonders and read until the 1st howler
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I've twenty-nine reviews so far, most of them also reccomendations, gregorynyssa.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:40:56 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: why am i reading mythology presented as factual argument ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: and what didya get outta reading this ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: why am i reading mythology presented as factual argument ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'In the days of Horatio Alger, the marks of youthful middle-class aspiration were such obvious symbols as well-polished shoes, a necktie and suit coat, a clean-shaved face and well-cut hair, and punctuality.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:15:36 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i picked up quigley and was not impressed. much dead forest, very little said.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: fwiw i did not make it to anywhere near 74
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i picked up quigley and was not impressed. much dead forest, very little said.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: re self-rule -- j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed'. mandatory reading on subj.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's 0 originality in anything yarvin has published to date. 0.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 17:04:09 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: almost exactly as pictured in his piece, aha
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: almost exactly as pictured in his piece, aha
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: btw he stole the plot from jp 'last exile' in that piece.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: for some value of 'trying' and 'implement' , lol
(asciilifeform) shinohai: gregorynyssa: i was trolling verisimilitude
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 16:39:21 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-24#1037454 << I found it interesting how the old UNIX versions did not have sockets, something which seems so fundamental in retrospect.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 16:33:20 gregorynyssa: I had to grow up under parents with strong anti-Nerd views, even though my father was himself a PhD.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 16:10:56 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'odd' kid is always and in all times & places subject to pushing, this is how primate hindbrain 'expels defectives'. in '80s various usg busybodies proclaimed it 'problem'. in '90s fed 'victims' various dope, some 'went postal', proclaimed 'evidence there's problem', rinse & repeat, used to present day to justify totalitarian interventions against children in usa.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-24 16:11:21 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it's a manufactured usg.problem.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it's a manufactured usg.problem.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: 'odd' kid is always and in all times & places subject to pushing, this is how primate hindbrain 'expels defectives'. in '80s various usg busybodies proclaimed it 'problem'. in '90s fed 'victims' various dope, some 'went postal', proclaimed 'evidence there's problem', rinse & repeat, used to present day to justify totalitarian interventions against children in usa.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: not sure i understand the subj of the q
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: folx whose paycheque, propotion, pension, all depend on not-thinking-about-$subj -- surprise, lol, will show as few symptoms of thinking about $subj as they are able.
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: it's these top-down attempts at integration of "accidental" (in the sense meaning opposite of essential) items which produces more of the same.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:19:59 gregorynyssa: another is the reliance upon opaque optimizations to allow lists to be efficiently operated upon.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:12:34 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-22#1037410 << the language is homoiconic. it has strong support for DSLs. it unifies function-definition syntax and configuration-file syntax. it unifies call-by-value and call-by-name through "upvar." it has (limited) support for continuations. it was specifically built to solve last-mile problems (functions requiring intensive computation
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:03:00 gregorynyssa: the run-time structures underlying the language must be treated as part of the grammar.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:01:23 gregorynyssa: (2) programs written in the language contain opaque run-time structures.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 05:57:30 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-22#1037408 << so-called "web" languages have been surprisingly effective with regard to the implementation of command-line utilities, this being no accident.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-22 21:21:33 gregorynyssa: the cleverness of Tcl did not extend to Tk.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:14:10 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-22#1037415 << granted, just because one can write obfuscated code doesn't mean that he should.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:12:34 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-22#1037410 << the language is homoiconic. it has strong support for DSLs. it unifies function-definition syntax and configuration-file syntax. it unifies call-by-value and call-by-name through "upvar." it has (limited) support for continuations. it was specifically built to solve last-mile problems (functions requiring intensive computation
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:18:29 gregorynyssa: Tcl has numerous problems, one of which is the lack of a dynamic FFI (allowing the language to swallow DLLs at runtime).
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:01:23 gregorynyssa: (2) programs written in the language contain opaque run-time structures.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-23 06:00:20 gregorynyssa: (1) the rules of the language are constantly being updated by the vendor;
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-22 20:27:48 gregorynyssa: "we will find out who diddled the keys and why"
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-22 21:44:56 trinque: watch, I'll do the low-effort thing too. holy shit gregorynyssa, uplevel and upvar mean I can't understand *any* procedure without reading the entire call-stack.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-22 21:33:24 trinque: gregorynyssa: what do you find clever in tcl?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-22 21:30:40 trinque: sounds instead like the requirements for webshitlangs, meaning no offense to gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) trinque: watch, I'll do the low-effort thing too. holy shit gregorynyssa, uplevel and upvar mean I can't understand *any* procedure without reading the entire call-stack.
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: what do you find clever in tcl?
(asciilifeform) trinque: sounds instead like the requirements for webshitlangs, meaning no offense to gregorynyssa
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( maybe gregorynyssa didn't ? )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: however DOES require that yer time is 100% your own.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it doesn't take 'military budget'. in fact imho is wholly impossible w/ moar than 3 (or near) people involved in any direct capacity.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-13 15:52:22 gregorynyssa: imagine Linus Torvalds in 1991 embarking on a kernel with quasi-Ada rigorousness, w/ design-by-contract drivers backed by Hoare Logic.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-13 15:40:44 gregorynyssa: V essentially fits within the late 1980s environment. it represents a road which was not taken at the time.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-13 15:33:25 gregorynyssa: no reason why the restoration of 70s/80s cannot be our starting point.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-13 17:02:57 verisimilitude: I'm proud to have found issues with seemingly benign aspects of computing, such as common usage of character sets; are the Chinese just using Unicode, gregorynyssa?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-13 15:52:22 gregorynyssa: imagine Linus Torvalds in 1991 embarking on a kernel with quasi-Ada rigorousness, w/ design-by-contract drivers backed by Hoare Logic.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I'm proud to have found issues with seemingly benign aspects of computing, such as common usage of character sets; are the Chinese just using Unicode, gregorynyssa?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: everything i've ever experienced from cn seemed to point in exactly opposite direction.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: considered to do this, but loathe to make old gpg part of the spec. but my replacement for it not yet ready.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i wrote the original vtron; and still use phf's updated (for keccakism) version of it
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: of mod6's? afaik yes
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-09 21:08:58 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-09#1035967 << is the term pseudo-node synonymous with "light node," or does it refer to a class of programs created specifically for nefarious purposes?
(asciilifeform) trinque: gregorynyssa: oh stop
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-05-04 05:35:50 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-03#1035345 << my interest in this matter is more anthropological than economic. if the ruling class goes through a generational religious shift, I consider that significant