gregory5: my own implementation of Pest 0xFD is almost ready. can someone add me to their peers?
gregory5: thimbronion: any interest?
asciilifeform: gregory5: congrats! is it posted anywhere?
asciilifeform: !!key gregory5
deedbot: Not registered.
asciilifeform: !!key gregorynyssa
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $58399.59
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710852
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.149s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710852
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710852 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.184s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.196s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.585s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710852
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-22#1067142 << Daddy doesn't like our CoC so we're gonna whine until everyone is forced to swallow OUR CoC!!!!!
shinohai: omfg hipsterlang folks are so fucking insufferable.
asciilifeform would ask 'why do they have both a 'core team' and a 'mod team'' but can guess the answr
shinohai: Silly, how else they gonna manufacture the CoC's ?
shinohai: `git push origin yes-massa-dun-beat-me-massa`
signpost: the way they want to be hurt, yet to be told to be hurt is power, is sordid.
signpost: perhaps the final form of the stealing-the-stolen-from, that the victim screeches for moar.
signpost: these people are an affront to humanity.
asciilifeform: signpost: which people, in this case ?
signpost: the bitch who is "resigning" and telling the folks who ignored his auctoritah how to fix themselves
signpost: and also the "core team" who allowed the fungus to grow in the first place.
asciilifeform: signpost: iirc the whole 'rust' thing is a fungus (crackpot reimpl. of some % of ada w/ 'modern' syntax, iirc)
signpost: yep, growing out of the social arrangement on display here
signpost: what was mp's thing, the "two subbies arguing over who will top today"
signpost: pretty spot on.
asciilifeform: mats: i.e. 'ordinary gambling nao outpaced by printolade over9000, let's gamble x9000 ?'
signpost: blow-off top in everything incoming.
asciilifeform: signpost: hm?
signpost: I suspect that at least equities and BTC will go hyperbolic and crash, but what do I know.
asciilifeform: whole edifice seems to have been moar or less rebuilt around engineering periodic papercoin crashes, seems to be working a++ from that pov
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-17 18:59:58 asciilifeform: lizards aint actually interested in ~spending~ their hodls, they need'em strictly for paperization, maintaining volatility so as to prevent their pyramid of traditional fuffles from toppling
thimbronion would be impressed if the stock market were allowed to crash
signpost: why was it "allowed" in 2000 and 2008
signpost: they can control the mess until they can't.
thimbronion: signpost: was in 2008?
asciilifeform: ( the lizard strategy is interesting imho: to mask the inflation shelter aspect of btc by artificially pumping it up and 'burying' the rise with paperola)
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-16 12:55:18 asciilifeform: as for the papercoin-holding speculator scum -- imho the sooner they get the fuck away from btc -- and stay thefuck out -- the better.
signpost: thimbronion: eh?
thimbronion: signpost: didn't they intervene heavily in 2008?
signpost: stocks took a huge dump regardless, dunno how this invalidates
asciilifeform: thimbronion: observe the 1 common aspect in all such 'interventions' -- lizards own moar, humans -- less
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:31 asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft.
signpost quite of the "why not just eat when lizards eat" mentality here. not going to abstain for religious porpoises
asciilifeform: hm abstain from what ?
signpost: probably sell all shitcoins and some btc before long, already sold all equities.
signpost: and will eat again next summer.
signpost: still thinking about it, but BTC in particular has absurdly regular behavior interacting with fiat
asciilifeform: signpost: indeed it does. the tricky bit is to actually determine the phase apriori. ( rather than ending up feeding the beast. )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-09-26 13:29:51 asciilifeform: adlai: or, if still like 'trading' ? find a way to phase-locked-loop against the 'btc-usd fire extinguisher' cycle, get filthy rich..
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 11:10:10 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064250 << generally it is precisely the folx who think 'i can outsmart the con man' who lose their shirts, historically.
asciilifeform: signpost: recall summer of 2020 when 3k$ btc for coupla days.
asciilifeform: ~someone~ knew about it prior to the fact.
asciilifeform: that someone hoovered up the stampeders' coinz for a song.
signpost: yep, really just looking at the macro trends visible in e.g. '13/14, '17/18, possibly now.
asciilifeform: i'm aware that very many folx find it irresistible to play this roulette. 'yeah i know it's tilted but maybe this time can win'
signpost: eh, this isn't how anyone thinks about investing. one "plays" with what one can lose, and proportionally to their level of certainty that they can move what they extracted into something else that yields.
asciilifeform: whether to play is b/w you and odin
asciilifeform: all asciilifeform knows is that historically if you play w/ folx who stack the deck, eventually lose. especially if happen to 'win' once or twice.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 11:10:50 asciilifeform: they're the ones who end up pawning their house etc. to get their 'sure win'
asciilifeform: but then again gambling is one of the pleasures in life, cannot deny this.
signpost: being alive, also a gamble, haha
asciilifeform even played shitoshidice once
asciilifeform: (iirc won an entire coin!)
scoopbot: New post on btcinfo: [ http://btc.info.gf/blog/monday-morning-lulzmine-rusty-coc-edition.html ][
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-22#1067193 << this is accurate re folx with >0 information, those can hedge. in asciilifeform's cosmography, public information ~= disinfo. but to each his own.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-22 13:32:36 signpost: eh, this isn't how anyone thinks about investing. one "plays" with what one can lose, and proportionally to their level of certainty that they can move what they extracted into something else that yields.
asciilifeform: ( what public info hinted at the summer 2020 dip , for instance? asciilifeform not aware of any )
asciilifeform: anyone who knew about it beforehand could have (and likely did) multiply his bag of coinz 5+x.
signpost just observing that it's historic fact that hyperbolic runs in assets do not run forever.
asciilifeform: indeed nuffin's 4evah.
signpost: no need to sell something at the very top when this is going on. the corrections proceed back to the mean, and mean's also historic fact.
mats: you mean the spring (march 2020) dip?
asciilifeform: oh hm mats is correct, was march
asciilifeform to be concrete, aint in the biz of dissuading folx from gambling, merely describing why not fond of it himself
signpost: I hate all of it, but will be happy to eat a few moonboy BTCs on the other side of them levering up at the very top.
asciilifeform: folx who derived, via whatever effort, a 'better than chance' indicator of when to buycheap/selldear, obv. winners, and i dun expect they'll habitually describe publicly their process, for obv. reasons.
signpost: this part, the hubris of fools, is certain.
bonechewer: asciilifeform: to you, what constitutes an absence of gambling? holding fiat dollars? To me doing so is gambling that the fiat dollar survives.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: hodling coinz, mainly
asciilifeform doesn't have the problem of 'wtf to do with all this fiatola??' for the most part
signpost had the great luck to sell a company during hyperinflation, not that I'm bitching about it.
bonechewer also primarily spends paychex by end of month, but the point is the same: if one has excess purchasing power at any given time, anything one does with it is a gamble to some extent
asciilifeform: bonechewer: asciilifeform in recent yrs converted excess fiatola into physical plant / stockpiles, haven't had cause to regret yet
signpost also, basically buying whatever I'd use in next couple years.
signpost: this or spend 3x then.
asciilifeform: ( before that, had a reliable fella from whom would buy coinz, but then he went mad & eventually drowned )
bonechewer: yes, in an era of diminishing productive capacity tangible assets beat paper ones, hands down
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-22#1067203 << I guess I should properly handle cases where a title starts with a line break
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-22 13:35:24 scoopbot: New post on btcinfo: [ http://btc.info.gf/blog/monday-morning-lulzmine-rusty-coc-edition.html ][
asciilifeform: this obv. doesn't trivially scale up (e.g. wouldn't buy $mil of ssd for own stockpile) but again 'fortunately' asciilifeform doesn't have this 'problem' atm
asciilifeform: re: physical plant, bit the bullet and bought house, nao sinking dough into 'terraforming'
asciilifeform: not worst use of fiatola while it still worth sumthing imho
asciilifeform: is part of asciilifeform's efforts to cap growing costs of operation
asciilifeform: prolly gonna do the pv panel thing etc
signpost: entirely sensible imho, I'm also working to limit my exposure to inflation
asciilifeform: (in hyperinflation, is +ev theoretically, buy'em with zimbabwebux, the mains current doesn't inflate...)
asciilifeform: iirc signpost already bought houses etc
signpost: house, but shopping for land.
asciilifeform: hey it did solve the 'wat do w/ wad of fiatola' problem for yr or 2
signpost: real estate's a pretty reasonable place to park value during the brrrr
asciilifeform likes tangible things, esp. given as doesn't suffer the illusion that can profit from buycheap/selldear, sufficient that they're usable directly
bonechewer: re: improvements to physical plant akin to pv panels, I seem to recall a discussion relative to quasi-geothermal heating to which this link would be relevant, but can't find in logz
asciilifeform: bonechewer: aha, i'ma install
bonechewer: In general greenbuildingadvisor.com has some good practical information here and there if one can stomach the climate change woo
asciilifeform: it's nifty not simply because saves mains current, but moar durable physical plant afaik than traditional type
asciilifeform: (the only moving parts are the air blower and the compressor)
asciilifeform: bonechewer: the woo is actually great, resulted in massive usg subsidy for buyers
bonechewer also uses heat pump albeit air source rather than ground source
asciilifeform: bonechewer: asciilifeform's old flat had air heatpump, was a bitch
asciilifeform: not correct climate for it here
signpost: so much money being made in the green subsidy too.
asciilifeform: (was running resistance heater most of winter, megabux pissed away to heat 40m^2 pad)
bonechewer: ugh. I adjust temperature only very gradually in the winter and have been able to ensure resistance heater ~never comes on; otherwise, as you say, it'd be awful
bonechewer: probably can only do this because the place is super well insulated
asciilifeform: worst thing is when 40+yo piece of junk freezes the coil (normally sensor prevents this)
mats: heat pumps have surprisingly low market penetration in usa
asciilifeform: mats: Officially-mandatory faux-freons destroy compressors, need new one ~2x/decade . is prolly why
bonechewer: my local hvac guy claims annual tweaking can ~double life of compressor; no idea whether this is accurate or he just likes booking the annual visit
mats: the estimate i got guaranteed the work for 12y hinging on annual maint
asciilifeform: mats: this was wat, an air heatpump ?
asciilifeform: a neat
asciilifeform: mats: what does the yearly thing consist of ? ( afaik recent compressors are welded shut )
mats: cleaning the air filter and evaporator probably
mats: said it was like eighty bucks to have a guy out for a couple hours
mats: sounded like easy recurring revenue
mats: didnt go for it in the end, socal climate doesnt justify the cost
asciilifeform: mats: odd, i'd imagine is exactly the climate for it
asciilifeform: any moar north and defo nope
bonechewer: my annual maintenance includes a box with blinkenlights attached to unit and some sort of adjustment, but honestly nfi what the guy is doing
asciilifeform: bonechewer: re: earlier link -- 'open loop' sounds insane (to pump liquishit b/w wells). the moar typical setup is 'closed loop', simply buried hose circulating h2o+antifungal
asciilifeform: iirc they do 'open loop' when insufficient m^2 of earth but nutter insists on building anyway
vex: still in skeeter country asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: vex: aha
asciilifeform: vex: ~3km from old pad
vex: am I right in comprehending you have a little more room too?
vex: racks in the wall ftw
vex: hey shinohai, any news from the tweetosphere re bullshitoshi?
jonsykkel: self/netchains are hash of 428byte message?
jonsykkel: if so, you get duplicate hashes by just sending same msg twice within 1sec
vex: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $56852.81
jonsykkel: or no
jonsykkel: i see im retarded
jonsykkel: another less dum q: deduping should be done based on hash of black packet? (aka use the hmac) or the message hash
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: nope, hash of message
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: black/red includes e.g. bounce which changes
asciilifeform: (not to mention nonce)
jonsykkel: right, so it serves multi purpose
asciilifeform: 2 packets are dupes of 1 anuther if msg is ==.
asciilifeform: and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: and lolno they aint dupes if only time is ==
asciilifeform: selfchain and netchain are hashes of messages.
asciilifeform thought this was 100% clear from the spec
jonsykkel: a lot of text to fit at once in smal hed
vex: you might need to wite the norske spec jonsykkel
jonsykkel: i shud
vex: was it not some norweigiens who bought a dtv license to strem the blockchain?
jonsykkel: not me anyway
asciilifeform prior to jonsykkel showing up, could name 3 norwegians , all dead : ibsen, quisling, and naggum
vex: Its fucking cold up there.
vex: walk outside. die
jonsykkel: nah is nice
jonsykkel: xept power bill
jonsykkel: theres not too many more worth mentioning asciilifeform
jonsykkel: me and those ppl
vex: whats naraesiismin weegie?
vex: I'm only joking jonsykkel, pretty sure it doesn't translate
jonsykkel: its good attempt
vex: fuck, you're good
vex: in other black packets, ccd will appreciate my sincerity when I tell it that I have completely forgotten the prolblem I had
vex: I do recall expecting a long wided solution
jonsykkel: sorry about the zinger
vex: don't be. I luv the luls
jonsykkel: must hve hurt tho
vex: I heard it wizz past my eat fo sure
vex: speaking of lulz, punkman, if you wanna play shitcoins in the evm space, the subcontinental l2 thing is the place to play.
vex: up until last month, you'd get 1000 txs for half a rupee
vex: some funny cunt was spamming erry two second block so it didn't get frontrun
vex: buddha had a consenus on the new tx fee basically overnight
vex: and devteam goes brrr
vex: hanbot's recent writing were powerful. I cried
vex: not evertything is hypertext