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thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I found a couple of public keys for Trace, but he is not in the WoT. If negrated, however, he would then be in the WoT, which could be used for reference in the story.
thimbronion: I guess, question is, worth negrating? Also, how to reference a WoT identity?
BingoBoingo: thimbronion: If he's not registered himself just go with the standard (WoT:nonperson)
thimbronion: Shoot, I guess he can't be negrated anyway because he's not registered with deedbot.
thimbronion: Ok.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, these things happen
thimbronion: BingoBoingo: should I refer to him as Mayer or Meyer?
BingoBoingo: thimbronion: Is there a difference between the name his parents gave him and what he goes by?
thimbronion: All references I've found are Mayer - I haven't seen any Meyers other than in qntra. I'm not sure how I'd find his birth name.
thimbronion: His parents' last name also appears to be Mayer, fwiw
BingoBoingo: Use the name everyone's using then
BingoBoingo: And ty for spotting that
thimbronion: BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hqFm
BingoBoingo: tyvm
thimbronion: yw
BingoBoingo: thimbronion: And published http://qntra.net/2020/02/trace-mayer-pumps-dorkcoin-at-conference/
thimbronion: awesome
BingoBoingo: Piece required a very light hand. You left out that this dork coin has a pre-mine, but otherwise good work.
thimbronion: I was aware of the pre-mine. I had been focused on the inflation attack angle though, but couldn't find any good explanations of the risk to link to and ended up leaving that out.
BingoBoingo: Cool, just the premine is usually the death knell to any altcoin's asperzations. At least it was up until the ether huffers came along
thimbronion: Noted.
BingoBoingo: It's poison on roughly the same level a "reserved" portion of the block rewards for developers.
BingoBoingo: In line with the discussion in #ossasepia today, there's a lot of these questions have been settled inside TMSR that Qntra's going to have to get back to hammering.
BingoBoingo: Because the scammy fucks outside just keep rebranding these things over and over.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not as if it makes shitcoins less loathesome, but cannot resist to point out that classical btc also had (and of unknown exact mass, to boot) -- 'premine'
BingoBoingo: Well, someone's gotta be first
asciilifeform: indeed not avoidable, per known state of art (no mine -- no blox) but still always seemed inconsistent to me, to condemn a thing when modern clowns do it, but not when shitoshi the '1y+ winblows-only' fella did.
BingoBoingo: Still, there's a difference between the crowd taking time to show up and taking 50% off the top
asciilifeform: iirc the upper-end guess for mass of shitoshi's premine was 1mil+ coinz. which is larger % of total, afaik, than all but the most brazen shitcoinists have dared to date
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha i just saw thimbronion's piece re the 50%-premined shitcoin. lulzy. ( is it record holder to date ? )
BingoBoingo: This particular case thimbronion documented was indeed 50%. Back when the altcoins made their debuts on bitcointalk 10-20% wasn't uncommon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just going off the odds, not unlikely there isn't higher.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i seem to recall there was 1 100%-premined one. but can't find in log.
thimbronion: This shitcoiner particularly pissed me off due to his previous rhetoric about being a "hodler of last resort." Hodler of what now?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: what does that phrase even mean ?
BingoBoingo: thimbronion: That sounds a lot like he go in and out of Bitcoin early and has regrets about the out
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There was long stretch of cut and past altcoins 2012-2014
BingoBoingo: Litecoin begat feathercoin begat...
thimbronion: asciilifeform: It's sort of a rallying cry during price dips around not selling due to principle.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recall. 'here's new genesis block'. imho the current-day items aint diff. in any essential aspect
asciilifeform: ( re 'cut&paste alts' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Now they at least pretend to have bolted on some new weird.
BingoBoingo: Or they just do their alt entirely inside Ethereum
asciilifeform: well how else to justify multi-mil LOC + 'surprises'
BingoBoingo: Somehow Hadoop sells. Seems there's a crowd out there that is attracted to stacking shit on top of shit.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: per naggum, it's the ~only sorta shit that sells.
asciilifeform: artifacts that make sense -- dun sell. you sell 1 and then becomes 'schoolbook material'.
BingoBoingo: Well there's also the short of honest shit the dairyman sells to the farmer
asciilifeform: black holes that can absorb ~infinite effort and still suck -- sell. 'job-creating technology'(tm)(r).

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