crtdaydreams: bbl also
    
    vex: I could give her back later
    
    vex: 16 hands high
    
    gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: Odessa was the hometown of Nicholas Cage's character in Lord of War (2005).
    
    gregorynyssa: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dbbPJ9rHZmM << this person slightly reminds me of someone.
    
    gregorynyssa: ... and he is indeed the Jeremiah of Game of Thrones commentators.
    
    asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: is hometown of 'over9000' folx, large and small. population ~1e6 even today
    
    gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: I thought you were a Russian American, though you may not have said that explicitly. was this a mistaken assumption on my part,
    
    gregorynyssa: or do you choose to identify as Russian American instead of Ukrainian American?
    
    asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: will happily clarify. asciilifeform was born in ye olde su; in a historically ru town, with little connection to 'tru ukrs' (w/ exception of, lol, 2 grades of ukr school)
    
    asciilifeform: ... identifies as 'home', again, ye olde su, and not usa, where was moved like suitcase, nor any of the bantustans which presently squat on the map where su usedto be
    
    asciilifeform: fwiw.
    
    asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ukristan as currently advertised fwiw is a kind of 'taiwan', i.e. provincial shithole massaged into delusions of nationality by interested foreign powers
    
    asciilifeform: ... or, charitably, a sort of 'altcoin', largely self-defined by 'what it isn't'
    
    asciilifeform: it aint a nation like e.g. france.
    
    mats: don't you know that's a toxic putler narrative
    
    mats: ukraine is a real country!
    
    asciilifeform: hopefully soon scotland, texas, also remember they 'real countries' lol
    
    asciilifeform: and let's not forget catalonia
    
    mats: still amazed at how much shit the french and germans have been willing to eat on behalf of american foreign policy... again
    
    asciilifeform: mats: dunno why amazed, they have 'managed moocracy' neh
    
    dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 15:28:11 mats: sg (and ru) has the much maligned, managed model of democracy usa is destined for
    
    asciilifeform: i.e. nobody gives half a rat's arse what 'the french' etc think
    
    asciilifeform: they get a reich-appointed gauleiter erry n yrs who follows the script. ditto germany, et al
    
    mats: you might be right there
    
    asciilifeform: elementarily
    
    mats: so obvious
    
    asciilifeform: 'high living'(tm) of eureich was powered by, initially, bleeding colonies; then by bleeding su, then, afterwards, its corpse
    
    asciilifeform: when nuffin remains to bleed, will self-digest