asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $63260.06
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.093s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=706158
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=706158
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=706158 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.113s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.185s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.264s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=706158
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
bonechewer: "He will be held accountable. We will get his cryptocurrency," declaims some $SPLC bitch. Does she know about some upcoming USG crackdown or is this just cope?
asciilifeform: bonechewer: see related old lulzthrd re anglin
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-12-22 weevlos: andrew anglin
asciilifeform: bonechewer: the 'crackdown' btw started a very long time ago. as in ~decade.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 20:59:39 asciilifeform: for asciilifeform , e.g. the destruction of (at this point, just about all) non-usg-controlled goxes (e.g. btc-e), the entirely open, as matter of policy, practice of selling ALL confiscated btc, the massive 'sell wall' that materializes whenever exchrate begins to climb, are evidence enuff.
bonechewer: Yes, I expect the Bitcoin ATMs that will sell you up to $900 worth without an ID scan to be the next targets.
asciilifeform: these still exist?!
asciilifeform so far has only encountered the kind crawling with cameras, some with fingerprint reader etc., and, to add insult to injury, don't dispense actual coin to a given addr, but give instead.. a code you're expected to enter on their www, after ~making account~ with passport etc, to maybe claim some segshitcoin
bonechewer: Yes, near me they even outnumber the ones that demand an ID scan. They do require SMS verification. I suppose the KYC hole could also be closed by disallowing cash prepaid phones.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: wasn't aware there are still 'cash phones' in usa. (at least, Officially)
asciilifeform: bonechewer: i assumed yer in usa, given the link. correct if not.
bonechewer: You only need to head to a crummy neighborhood. Look for "H2O Wireless" resellers, e.g.
asciilifeform: 'If someone is willing to sit in jail and the money is theirs on the other side because no one can access it, that’s a problem.' << see also oldlulz.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-06-26 ascii_field: trinque: not only this, but i also predict specifically that an automated (i.e. robotic, as in 'coke machine') system of interrogation and 'incentivization' will be specifically permitted by u.s. law
asciilifeform: err, orig thrd.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-06-24 ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
bonechewer: I think the real dystopia will be less cinematic, with the mere replacement of cash by auto-expiring Central Bank Digital Currency on your pnoje
asciilifeform: bonechewer: usd already 'auto-expires', whether in cash or electrousd etc (check out what given house cost 20y ago vs nao)
asciilifeform: all fiatola 'autoexpires' lol
bonechewer: Fair enough, but c'mon, the CBDC airdrops to your iPhone social credit app will have cool visual and sound effects and be so much fun!
bonechewer: Each Pfizer booster shot enters you in a drawing automatically!
bonechewer is showing signs of needing to head for that cabin I suppose
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-19 13:39:04 asciilifeform: the fella who remarked to a young asciilifeform 'after N lines of coad, you will smash yer comp and build unabomber cabin' was a cpp programmer.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: btcism per se aint going anywhere, but the current reich effort is to get it outta the hands of plebes and into reich-controlled orgs. largely via paperization a la gold.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-16 22:06:03 asciilifeform: upstack, stratagem 'shoot erryone who so much as mentioned bitcoin' was 'the spoon is good at dinner time', i.e. was the 'thing to do' 7y ago. before the oligarchs bought in. (these generally do not appreciate attempts to make their holdings worthless)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-10 10:09:26 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: successful paperization requires the paper-buying chumps to perceive it as 'just as good or better than real thing'. e.g. paper gold/btc/etc can be leveraged (can borrow against it and allow it to auto-liquidate if margin called).
bonechewer: That playbook has been mostly successful with gold; why should it not work with Bitcoin, too? The whales will have ways to move their millions around regardless; the plebes exist only to be taxed.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: worked a++ so far. you can search 'in daylight, with lantern' for folx using actual bitcoin, and won't find any 'on street'
asciilifeform: even moneyed folx, who oughta know better, hooked on papercoin.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
bonechewer: Also the "inflation sponge" theory, wrt both gold and bitcoin, might have some merit
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-19 13:39:04 asciilifeform: the fella who remarked to a young asciilifeform 'after N lines of coad, you will smash yer comp and build unabomber cabin' was a cpp programmer.
bonechewer: oh bother, pasted the wrong damned link
asciilifeform: bonechewer: the 'they allow it to exist' idjicy is beneath contempt
bonechewer: yeah, the writer credits the reich with a bit too much competence, but "they're not hell-bent on trying to wipe it out" would be somewhat more accurate there
signpost: I wager yes, pleb will never touch btc, and likely not paperized either.
signpost: I recall a thread where was discussed that tptb might allow a few nerds into the upper class, but will otherwise graft btc onto the existing power structures, refresh them a bit.
signpost: seems likely at this point. the investment banks that get it will just flood paper into btc to buy up what weak hands will give.
asciilifeform: reich is happy to sell to moron paper scribbled with any string the moron'd prefer, incl. 'btc'
asciilifeform: y'know, how already can buy paper labeled 'gold', 'petro', etc
signpost: certainly.
signpost: they don't even need to ban self-custody. most don't want to.
asciilifeform: thread iirc that signpost was referring to.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-17 17:44:58 asciilifeform: pictures having 2nd ed. of this convo in 2030, 'right, no usg blacklist enforced yet, but see, by 2040, treaties b/w miners...'
asciilifeform: and in particular.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-17 18:29:20 asciilifeform: billymg: i disagree that it's a numeric problem, even necessarily. say, martians land, and leave you 25 tonnes of refined pu as a parting gift. you will 'pass into elite' ? or perhaps not ? what do you suppose would happen ?