Results 1 ... 84 found in asciilifeform for 'f:ascii fab'
asciilifeform: wasn't obv 'ironic' but nfi (normally folx laff at a laffable when posting mixed in w/ actual noose, but again nfi)
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: prolly not 'every' and 'between all component', fpga fabric is expensive delaywise
asciilifeform in unrelated lulz, picked up phone: 'it's macrofab co. wai you not ordered moar boards? we miss you'
asciilifeform: ic fab -- was (as today) expensive, and folx who dared to make 'martian' arch, which would need multiple revisions to become of any use whatsoever, and with access to the req. moolah -- few to nonexistent.
asciilifeform one time coupla yr ago had a brief exchange with a cn group which initially resembled 'nigerian prince' in flavour but turned out to exist as-described; wanted asciilifeform to design a lispm to be fabbed in pekin; but after some back'n'forth turned out that they wanted asciilifeform to also ~finance~ part of it, lol
asciilifeform: seems like it's a 'build on our riscv' thing, rather than 'charity fab for ab initio'
asciilifeform: ... nor were various paradigm shifts that theoretically 'easy' today available on '80s fab
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's stuck waiting on access to ic fab ?
asciilifeform: per asciilifeform's model, they're 'redditors' in the sense where knocked outta whatever traditional social fabric, and for oddball 'modern' reasons no one could spare for'em a bullet, so instead 'feral'
asciilifeform: shinohai: those typically had laffably small fixed # of boxes (2 or 3)
asciilifeform: 'SIR Roger L'Estrange tell us a Story in his Collection of Fables, of the Cock and the Horses. The Cock was gotten to Roost in the Stable, among the Horses, and there be∣ing no Racks, or other Conveniencies for him, it seems, he was forc'd to roost upon the Ground; the Horses jostling about for room, and putting the Cock in danger of his Life, he gives them this grave Advice; Pray Gentlefolks let us stand still, for
asciilifeform: imho that's large part of what made mp's scheme so laffable -- hey, we're lords!11 the slaves -- forthcoming any day nao!1
asciilifeform: wed it well enough it is still physically there. That’s sort of like a small town of a few thousand people having its own privately owned MEMS fab in the 1990s when this became a more common technology.'
asciilifeform: the 'non-annoying approach to concurrency' is to implement entire machine as fpga fabric, and let independent processes actually run on physically independent circuits. but most of what people do w/ computer in practice doesn't require any serious degree of concurrency.
asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform finds fascinating the psychological tension where folx who 'identify as intellectual' are terrified of 'being kicked outta intellectuals' (1st and foremost by 'policeman in own head') and consequently buy into laffable Official nonsense by the megatonne. ( dunno if mats diagnosably fits in this group, but shows worrisome symptoms imho, what w/ linx to papers w/ 'freedom index'(tm) with straight
asciilifeform: ( or willing to swallow anyffin at all, no matter how laffably contradictory to lived experience or ordinary logic ? )
asciilifeform: meanwhile tw has 4-6mo to discover how to fab ic w/out rare earths from ru, usa -- how to fission dirt instead of refuned u from ru, etc
asciilifeform: not to mention, reich puts considerable effort into fabricating hangouts
asciilifeform: the interesting, per asciilifeform's lights, fact, is that complexity cancer makes it so that even if you've enuff dough to fab ic, you ~still~ are in the glue trap, cannot make a civilized machine
asciilifeform: lol, suppose that'd build 1/2 of an intel fab. if 52e9 of 2010 usd...
asciilifeform: ... but also because only hardline chrematists have access to fabs, given the expense of the latter, and for these the ev calc. of 'trad btc miner' (i.e. densely packed, operable only in a dc, etc) vs. anyffin else is a nobrainer
asciilifeform: hence trb, ffa, pest, etc. ( historically, asciilifeform would actually prefer to work on foundations of sane computing per se. but switched tacks on acct of above. esp. given that asciilifeform discovered to his satisfaction that actual sane computing is a fab-complete problem. )
asciilifeform: bonechewer: for background info, the cost of fabricating the 1st 100 FGs was ~5k usd. and that's not counting asciilifeform's time , or 1st microbatch of prototypes with defective solder joins , asciilifeform's microscopy time and fight w/ the board people, etc etc
asciilifeform: still makes for over9000x moar 'diffability'
asciilifeform: (fixes laffable bug carelessly introduced by asciilifeform himself when wrote original dump knob)
asciilifeform: mats: the 1nm fab on the planetoid will be the tbf biz, lol
asciilifeform: signpost: was conscious element of the design, aha, to support routing fabric other than ip.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-16#1058324 << and when i want the thing to be a general-purpose routing fabric for warez ??
asciilifeform: 156 for msg is kinda laffable imho
asciilifeform: signpost: think about it for a sec, it is trivial to fabricate infinitely many paths backwards to the genesis block. there'd be no possibility of even the concept of a canonical one, if sync worked backwards.
asciilifeform: shinohai: there's apparently a buried layer of older lulz in there (e.g. thing apparently based on a spec written by mp himself! (but does it use mp's fabulous hash(tm)(r)(c) !!? and if not wainot!)
asciilifeform: mats: easiest spoof is to not have to get fingered at all because pseudo-diplomatic papers (as he hinted at, nfi whether factual or fable)
asciilifeform: there's literally no industry on planet3 moar centralized than bleeding edge si fabbing
asciilifeform: punkman: and all made at 1 (2?) fab
asciilifeform: default is sumthing laffable, iirc 32mb
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the real puzzler to me, is that the maniac made you fabulously wealthy (don't pretend that kind of easy money existed, for you, outside of his pyramid, where you happened to get in 'in time') and yet to this day not interested in discussing anything but how he fucked you
asciilifeform: magnus: i seriously rec walking the log, the 'fab question' came up regularly, just about erry yr
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yarvin is intelligent but a) extremely, fabulously cowardly b) lacks ability of synthesis .
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to get familiar w/ basics of fpgaism. simply so can see what example looks like of 'fabric' where almost nothing about e.g. memory is apriori forced on the designer (you can pick what length/width of memory to use in a particular 'island')
asciilifeform: the most accessible example of non-vm comp is fpga fabric.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: would be great, except that, barring miracles, 0 of these academic curios will be fabbed in anyffin like a modern process.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: basic mechanics, however, are the same. verilog/vhdl can be considered 'syntactic sugar' ; the underlying primitives are same in all known fab processes (e.g. flipflop is still a flipflop no matter out of what made)
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: many well-known historic chip vendors have been (and are to this day) fabless. e.g. sun, xilinx, nvidia, apple.
asciilifeform: iirc moore fabs at mosis co.
asciilifeform: but of fabs. y'know, the folx w/ cleanrooms, piped elemental fluorine gas, etc.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moore afaik does not operate a fab and never has
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how many (nominally) independent fab houses can you think of ?
asciilifeform: ic fab is approx. as amenable to 'mom&pop shop' as is the satellite biz.
asciilifeform: superkuh: generally term was used by scammers and their rather gullible victims. e.g. a hash algo that required 1MB was somehow pitched as 'asic resistant', even tho no fab house has any problem fitting 1GB on a die, if you like. linked item has 0 to do with this, however: was re: a supposed 'mine by solving captchas' crackpottery.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-10-24#1023550 << on the surface, a good thing, if really is nda-free fab kit. nao if somehow 2 or 3 zeroes also fell off the price of fabbing per se...
asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Mon 07 Sep 2020 12:13:49 PM EDT using RSA key ID FAB953C4
asciilifeform: 'holy grail' ultimate pill here would obviously be 'desktop fab'. but afaik currently is not even in realm of 'science fiction', but rather lsd fantasy, sadly.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, the ru design bureau that baked 'elbrus' did not even attempt to have the supporting periphs -- nic, vga, etc. fabbed . instead off-shelf. they figures, prolly correctly, that no amt of $ would suffice... )
asciilifeform: it's an idea roughly on the scale of 'build own 10GW nuke power station'. and consider fact that e.g. su had working native designs for the latter -- but afaik never built ic fab w/ purely native tech, all contained smuggled-in heavy gear
asciilifeform: trinque: aha. asciilifeform wanted to give a sketch ftr of just how 'megalomania' intrinsically in the idea of 'bake own fab'
asciilifeform: ( and they did, incidentally, have the good sense ~not~ to build own fab -- they had hp do it. and these were folx who blew own glass for crt's, as no off-shelf crt in 1980 would do 'supervga' res... )
asciilifeform: si fabs, whether in '70s, '80s, '90s, or today, were serious capital goods that had to be occupied w/ production of salable products 24/7 to make 'in the black'.
asciilifeform: because of monopolization. at one time there were thousand+ semiconductor fabs on planet3. then, hundreds. now, perhaps two dozen.
asciilifeform: re (2) , 'start your own coarse-grained fabrication-facility' -- right after i open own spaceport, lol
asciilifeform: closest i've come so far is some chinese uni who actually wrote to asciilifeform and offered use of their fab. but unsurprisingly wanted ~50k usd ~per run~ in compensation. folx dun work for phree, not even in china.
asciilifeform: presently i'm not aware of even a single instance of a fab job financed and successfully carried out by a 'human' (vs at least medium-sized organization).
asciilifeform: Aerthean: you'll find various figures for cost, but keep in mind that almost all ic fab projects involve multiple attempts.
asciilifeform: ftr what asciilifeform was interested in fabbing, was simply a homogeneous-fabric fpga, scaled-up version of e.g. classic ice40 .
asciilifeform actually went an' investigated a number of firms that offer 'small-run' ic fab in various processes. they all have these in common.
asciilifeform: the more general idea was discussed in the logs many times. it is why you can't buy a sane, open cpu. there is simply no way to pay for what the fabrication would cost. esp. if you refuse to go along with the vendor's demands to use their NDA'd cell libs & mswin shitwares.
asciilifeform: could even have the circuit fabbed. if there were actually serious demand for it.
asciilifeform: Aerthean: i got a chinese firm to grow the LYSOs , <50$/ea in reasonably small qty. electronics, i expect, would cost similar. but shield is a mechanical object, and costs substantial $ to fabricate. likewise (and this was problem w/ FG as well) testing, it ultimately has to happen on my desk and the time aint free.
asciilifeform: esp. if yer contemplating ic fabbing.
asciilifeform: while on subj, this is interesting in light of my piece on subj. (nao if only could get a mobo w/ ecc ram in there somehow..)
asciilifeform: hm i defo had feeling that have seen the linked author before. turns out read his wolf3d chronicle.
asciilifeform: this fact was quite obvious already when you started needing product from $bil ic fab to play at all.
asciilifeform: atm, to properly hijack e.g. traditional bitcoin, you would need to build ic fab + 3 or 4 gigawatt reactors. which aint cheap (and is rather conspicuous.)
asciilifeform: in schemes where gnarly/ram-intensive pow, the 'winners' were automatically the folx who write virii. (until, in the rare cases where the $alt ended up 'worth something', the folx w/ access to ic fabs caught up)
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, from chip fab to airline to laundry etc
asciilifeform: deedbot was written and is operated by trinque . (who can be found in various places, incl. #trinque )
asciilifeform: ( as did e.g. texas instruments, the ~third~ mit licensee that scarcely anyone talks about, given as their design was a straight CADR clone. but observe, ti corp had semiconductor fab. and still did not produce '1 chip machine'. because the necessary 'micrometrage' simply not yet existed. )
asciilifeform: thimbronion: if you develop such connection -- do say. cuz asciilifeform would like a serious quote for 45nm fab...
asciilifeform: there is a 2017 thread where i contacted various small-run fab houses, unfortunately dun have the link handy (and the #s are likely to be out of date nao)