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asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.064s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680533
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.122s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.155s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680694 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.163s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : (182518.pk.3pp.slovanet.sk) Alive: (0.307s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=474688
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.268s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412042 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.398s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.604s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680694
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
watchglass: 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680538
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=680704 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.176s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.223s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.162s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.284s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412042 (Operator: jurov)
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.108s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=680704
thimbronion: asciilifeform: did you declare your machines to customs?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: nope. technically was not obligatory (per sum of nominal value)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I suspected as much.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: they did end up seen though
thimbronion: Found a suitcase that is a *precise* fit. With comp is only 40lb.
thimbronion: er, more like 45 but yeah
shinohai: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $54195.92
asciilifeform: shinohai: i wonder if the upstream item was down
asciilifeform: (where does it eat prices?)
shinohai: bitstamp but yeah they were down earlier for few minutes
shinohai: (as most cex's do when btc price rises, breaks their fiat model of the day)
asciilifeform: shinohai: i never understood why the goxes ~to this day~ suffer from hiccups like this -- given as they frontrun the hell outta errrything as a matter of course
verisimilitude: Wouldn't incompetence be the simple explanation?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the degree of incompetence in question, times the dough nominally avail. to correct it, times the length of time it has gone on -- is imho possibly a record-breaker
verisimilitude: Just look at UNIX.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-12 13:04:27 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it long ago went from 'mistake, like leaded petrol' to deliberate 'job-creating tech' fraud.
verisimilitude: Alright; we agree it's worse, and merely the category is different; I don't disagree.
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034708 <<< which gender are you btw, -W or -Wpedantic ?
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-26 14:10:59 verisimilitude: Just look at UNIX.
verisimilitude: Rephrase the question.
thestringpuller: trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-24#1034615 << I think I may know who this is. I don't talk to him much anymore, but if it's who I think it is he's been blowing up my phone. Sorry if it's caused any inconvenience
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-24 14:09:57 trinque: thestringpuller: hey, some guy was pestering me a while back about btc from 2014, said you sent him. recall, I was not running deedbot at the time, was punkman iirc.
asciilifeform: wb thestringpuller ( 5y !? )
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what brings you to #a ?
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-03-03 thestringpuller: called*
thestringpuller: A buddy of mine works from Tlon and mentioned your blog. Which brought me back to your blog which brought me to this channel.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the friend of yours, i'm curious -- whether he ever revealed why yarvin quit own megacompany
asciilifeform: (afaik publicly this remains an enigma)
thestringpuller: One of the people I met at a meetup sort of implied it was always his goal retire and let the thing live on its own.
thestringpuller: This was like 4 years ago tho, he also seemed not highly involved in day today when I met him? Seemed like he just managed PR's and architectural stuff of running Tlon's galaxies
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: last i knew, still regularly scheduled 'we're rebooting the universe'.
thestringpuller: (iirc ~zod ran on GCP)
thestringpuller: yea I think they are having less breaches since the move to ethereum. that's sort of when I stopped following until my buddy was like "I work for tlon now, cause I like math"
thestringpuller: I think holochain is in parallel to it? But holo isn't stateful enough for me, depends to much on self organizing.
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-08-18 asciilifeform: 1 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 << the sale
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I remember this article. I'm guessing jets probably didn't jive well with you at all.
thestringpuller: I'm no silicon engineer so creating his "martian tech" in silicon is beyond my comprehension tbh
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yarvin is intelligent but a) extremely, fabulously cowardly b) lacks ability of synthesis .
asciilifeform: his creations all follow the pattern of '1:1 scale eiffel's tower from matchsticks'
asciilifeform: i.e. impressive in scale and detail, but 'where original -- not good, where good -- not least bit original'
asciilifeform: 'nock', for instance, is simply the S-K calculus 'with flames painted on and chrome rims'
asciilifeform followed the subj back when author still published it under (thinly disguised) pseudonyms. when the sv circus got in, got out, w/ no regrets.
asciilifeform: ^ decade!!
asciilifeform: just about.
thestringpuller: I don't think they shy away from the "LISP underpinnings" in the documentation iirc. I just didn't realize it was a retelling of what's already been told decades past.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: are you familiar with 'greenspun's tenth law' ?
asciilifeform: will cite : 'Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.'
thestringpuller: Oh the "joke" about complicated C having the LISP implementation naively inside of it?
asciilifeform: in the case of yarvin, was not merely literally true, but layered in 3 (last i counted) concentric layers of 'puzzle langs'
asciilifeform: (the implementation of ~each~ of which was detectably buggy..)
thestringpuller: Yea Nock is the base layer, then the Nock interpreter written in Hoon, and then Hoon itself, (along with of course the C-Jets)
asciilifeform: whole thing riding on gargantuan ball of obfuscated-c.
asciilifeform: more or less the canonical illustration for the antithesis of asciilifeform's 'fits in head' design philosophy.
thestringpuller: yea each "urbit" will have to run with interpreter code dependent on platform along with the pill containing the "log"
thestringpuller: I think they have 4 now: Android, MacOS, *Nix, Windows 10
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: asciilifeform in fact read the src (as it existed in '11-'13.) possibly the only 1 outside of the gang to have done so. barfed.
thestringpuller: I think the only guarantee they make is nock code runs the same on a jet, as it would if you hand calculated, but I don't know how you would audit this?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is fundamentally impossible, in the general case, to do this mechanically.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Yea, I'm weary of the guarantee of statefulness, which is what interested me in it in the first place
asciilifeform: underlying implementations -- matter. and cannot be made not to.
thestringpuller: I actually reference that bedrock article to junior engineers constantly.
thestringpuller: particular when I say "computers are bad and we hate them" and then they ask "why?"
asciilifeform: generally to folx 35--65y.o. don't need to explain, they simply nod
asciilifeform: (given as they remember computers that more or less worked)
thestringpuller: Recently start using my GameBoy as a pocket gaming device over traditional smartphone partially for this reason.
thestringpuller: Also have become obsessed with C64 programming. Even got the little tape deck machine and everything
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there are still folx today writing gamez for ancient game consoles (pretty simple to do w/ modern rom emulator boxes)
asciilifeform: ditto c64 ('commodore exposed' and other texts actually got reprinted..!)
thestringpuller: I've also become obsessed with tape seeking data.
thestringpuller: Also went to "adult summer camp" just to program some fortran on punch cards and watch it run
asciilifeform: there's a cycle-accurate c64 and even amiga on fpga. and imho not merely from nostalgia: these boxes were actually ~fun~ to program for. because ~not~ included five bookcase's worth of changes-every-6months shitlibs
thestringpuller: the 6502 I think informs nearly all video game architecture up until about 2002 when Billy Gates got involved
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- 6502 still in production today.
asciilifeform: i've a sample here baked in '17
thestringpuller: yea I think you can get 100 for like under a grand
asciilifeform: they're 2-3$ in qty, iirc.
asciilifeform: (and the current 120nm 6502's will do 20+MHz !)
thestringpuller: I guess the dark ages of computers started with Intel's 8086
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: revisiting upstack briefly -- whatcha interested in these days? other than yarvin's kunstkammer ?
verisimilitude: Hello, thestringpuller.
thestringpuller: main interest now is big data after working in marketing for so many years. seems like corporations are spending billions to get people to click on things
thestringpuller: hi verisimilitude
verisimilitude: On the topic of old game programming, I'm rather experienced; I like CHIP-8.
thestringpuller: that's way before my time. I think first platform I programmed on was either GBA or Super Nintendo
thestringpuller: did they use the Atari-style graphics architecture?
verisimilitude: On the topic of Urbit, I was befuddled to see it and some of my work in a paper from 1978.
verisimilitude: No; there's a sprite XOR model.
thestringpuller: Oh I see. GPU programming is weird, it's all about getting textures that are rendered to the GPU memory asap
thestringpuller: For GBA I think you would DMA new parts of the sprite sheet into VRAM almost every cycle from the card. (I also think the drop in load times from cartridge -> CD-ROM was something nintendo loathed and tried to avoid it for years)
verisimilitude: I use a a custom programming tool for CHIP-8; I'd like to target the 6502 soon enough. I've ideas about how to nicely work with accumulator machines.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034715 << not a problem, just wanted to see if you were aware.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-26 16:25:08 thestringpuller: trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-24#1034615 << I think I may know who this is. I don't talk to him much anymore, but if it's who I think it is he's been blowing up my phone. Sorry if it's caused any inconvenience
trinque: convo smelled a bit of scam.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-26 16:41:10 asciilifeform: i.e. impressive in scale and detail, but 'where original -- not good, where good -- not least bit original'
trinque currently has the (mis)fortune of a tour through a particularly large one.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-04-26#1034761 << if you're among junior engineers that can absorb it properly, congrats.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-26 16:51:28 thestringpuller: I actually reference that bedrock article to junior engineers constantly.
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