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jurov: asciilifeform: yes I'm going to be around more. Had in mind something like trinque said, devil is in the details.
jurov: What to reward and how.
jurov: There is vpatch as peer-reviewed development system, how to best grease it.
asciilifeform: jurov: very interesting, and let's discuss when you get a chance
asciilifeform: jurov: possibly oughta have a channel for trbism (tho i'm ok with it happening here, afaik all interested folx are tuned in. but if you decide to make a trb ch, i'ma add it to my logger)
asciilifeform: !w poll
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feedbot: << The Tar Pit -- Life during the time of covid the Great
verisimilitude: There's going to be so many websites marred by this nonsense about a so-called pandemic, but not mine.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i already had the plague, but haven't much interesting to say re subj.
verisimilitude: That was a good article, in any case; my region is currently under a curfew, and it's obvious enforcing a curfew with the threat of monetary harm or imprisonment has naught to do with retarding a virus, especially the latter punishment.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i've 'already seen the movie before' -- same sort of artificial shortages in early '90s su
asciilifeform: they are engineered, so that certain folx can profit, selling e.g. toilet paper at 1000% markup
verisimilitude: I don't want to mention it on my website, asciilifeform, because it seems most everyone is and it seems clear to me sharing my opinion would be worse than useless, along with being boring. I'm not certain I could actually write something novel and interesting about it, as I'm not an expert and due to the sheer number of participants.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: arguably the few interesting bits are already written about elsewhere ( e.g. various lizards who made bank shorting stocks, etc )
asciilifeform: lizard system relies on periodic engineered 'crisis'. well-known fact for 100+y.
verisimilitude: Yes.
asciilifeform: the 1000% toiletpapers etc are only 'tip of iceberg', the main objective is, as in prev. 'crisis', to sell the remaining physical economy into lizard serfdom at fire sale prices.
asciilifeform: if you owned e.g. restaurant, bakery, etc. free & clear, guesswat, nao what remains of it is mortgaged to the parasite class.
verisimilitude: Don't fret, asciilifeform, those people can just get a job at Amazon; they're hiring.
trinque: yes, this from airlines and etc down to laundromat.
asciilifeform: this also. 'the unemployed are the reserve army of capital'(tm)(r)(marx)
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, from chip fab to airline to laundry etc
verisimilitude: If your business fails, even because of this, it's just your fault; have fun pissing under a stopwatch at Amazon, or get treated slightly better at Wal-Mart.
asciilifeform: phunphakt: ~all the cabs in washingtonistan nao work for lulazon
asciilifeform: ( they're forbidden from cab-ing, so nao from starvation agreed to deliver parcels instead )
verisimilitude: It's interesting, asciilifeform, how the latter corporate welfare recipient has recently finished, by my perspective, a very large rollout of ``Order online and pickup by drive-thru.'' system, just in time to benefit.
asciilifeform: various 'too big to fail' e.g. airlines, interestingly, also benefit. 'bailout' w/ printed dough, and relieved of the expense of actually flying planes..
verisimilitude: Oh, I found that ``I can't believe it's not money'' bit amusing; this push against cash is so transparent to anyone who can think.
verisimilitude: Have you read, asciilifeform, how some European country, probably Germany, is considering working with Israel to openly track its citizenry?
verisimilitude: Why just a few months ago, it would've been anti-Semitic to suggest that would happen.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ~entire 'civilized world'
asciilifeform: re cash, entirely transparent, e.g. lulazon dun take cash
verisimilitude: Say, I wonder if you've a cell phone, asciilifeform; I've rather no one to call, so I don't.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i do, it lives, lol, on a desk
asciilifeform: cheaper than landline, in usa
asciilifeform: vendor can 'track' it all it wants, the desk lives exactly where the billing addr is...
verisimilitude: Well, so long as you don't carry it around, it's not so bad, although it's easier to disconnect a landline so it can't listen in.
verisimilitude: Of course, it's no longer reasonable to utter a word without assuming it will be recorded by something, anyway.
asciilifeform: can listen all it wants, to the sound of cpu fans..
asciilifeform: if yer whispering the 'launch codes' to someone, will do it in the woods, and not in (bugged) office, today just as 100y ago
asciilifeform: pnoje hasn't changed this
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: re engineered crisis -- in yeltsin's ru, process was called 'shock therapy' and was entirely overt.
asciilifeform: objective was specifically to confiscate savings.
asciilifeform: it was the 'switch' in a traditional 2-step bait&switch 'industry will be privatized, but erryone gets shares of stock' 'oops, bread now costs 100x, you can decide whether to sell yer shares or quit eating'
verisimilitude: You must voluntarily comply, yes.
asciilifeform: housing also privatized. erryone got title to their flat. but 'must build western-style economy' which means of course 'landlord class owns 100%', so next obv step was 'sell yer flat or quit eating'
verisimilitude: I mentioned something related this to someone not long back.
verisimilitude: There's an amusing difference between how uprisings of Communists and others are treated.
asciilifeform: this process worx ~same today as 1000y ago. 'effective manager'(tm)(r) neighbour kills yer horse so you can choose b/w starvation and becoming a serf on his plantation.
verisimilitude: Oh, you're a Communist; let's take a ride in this helicopter, my treat.
verisimilitude: Nooo, you can't just kill landlords; I want to be a landlord some day!
asciilifeform: without this psychological quirk, the whole circus would be quite impossible. phunphakt, e.g. auschwitz inmates collected pieces of german uniform to put on. 'feel like german'.
asciilifeform: and even 'be german someday'
asciilifeform: the actual history of the '40s is vehehery interestingly different from the anglo/retouched ver., if you can read the primary docs.
asciilifeform: bulk of the butchery was carried out by 'untermenschen' themselves, in exch. for favours.
asciilifeform: in e.g. warsaw ghetto, all the way until 'day x' there was a restaurant where caviar served.
verisimilitude: I should read more history books, but the issue is picking which opinions I want. I settle for reading computer history, and as you know even this history of less than a century is mired with lies, cults, and ignorance everywhere.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: step 1 is to learn not to rely on english.
verisimilitude: Which language do you suggest; there's so many to choose from.
asciilifeform: depends on the time/place yer interested in.
verisimilitude: I know fragments of Latin and Romance languages, but have a mastery over none.
asciilifeform: if yer interested in e.g. french rev., learn fr.
asciilifeform: ww2 -- ru, de .
asciilifeform: cromwell? english
verisimilitude: Oh, that's what you meant; that's sensible, yes.
asciilifeform: aha
verisimilitude: Moving on and letting you know, I expect to finish my SHA work in Common Lisp, Ada, and APL this month, asciilifeform, although I may find myself too lazy. After this, I'm not certain what I'll move on to, but may find myself taking an interest to this V program I've a vague idea of.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if yer interested in vtronics, this remains the imho best intro.
verisimilitude: Alright; I appreciate it and I'll read that, now or later.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it isn't , imho, a very deep subj.
verisimilitude: Sure, but there's always something else in my backlog.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: my original vtron .
asciilifeform: very short proggy.
verisimilitude: Alright.
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