vex: siagon cop will catch a motherfucker
vex: then eat a baguette
vex: sammich method
vex: brooklyn 99 eat yo fooking hear out
vex: insert earplugs
vex: thieving is illeagl
punkman: "Supreme Court ends CDC's pandemic residential eviction moratorium"
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-26#1054011 << wasn't just housing the first time either
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 21:05:53 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-26#1053928 << smells like it's going to be a bigger bust than just housing over here.
punkman: but I wonder, is some asshole in Iceland buying SHIT.CDO.2020 this time?
punkman: 2008 was so big because everyone around the world was buying the US mortgage paper
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 21:40:03 signpost: maybe they'll do the chinese thing and start building empty ones, then make them into NFTs.
punkman: afaik it happened in 2008, should be happening now too. just not on chinese scale
punkman: watched "The Big Short" film couple weeks ago, not too bad
punkman: (had some "hot chick explains thing to you" 4th wall breaks that were pretty annoying)
punkman: http://www.precisionreports.co/global-collateralized-debt-obligation-market-15962475 "The global Collateralized Debt Obligation market size is projected to reach US$ 158500 million by 2026, from US$ 125990 million in 2020, at a CAGR of 3.9% during 2021-2026."
punkman: only $125 billion, was worried what I'd find for a second
jonsykkel: vex: for the same reason i dont give myself a paint thinner enema
jonsykkel: just not my thing
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054086 <<< If you aren't boofing, are you really partying at all?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-27 07:42:28 jonsykkel: vex: for the same reason i dont give myself a paint thinner enema
busybot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 47192.55 USD
busybot: The bot has been up for: 36 days 18 hours 3 minutes and 2 seconds
jonsykkel: a valid concern for sure
jonsykkel: maybe ive been missing out on something all these years
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-26#1054029 << GaAs is tricky for number of reasons, some of'em inherent (difficult to make insulator; no equivalent of cmos; etc), some of'em simply from economy of scale favouring si. there's konsoomer GaAs iron, but typically only coupla transistors per machine (normally in e.g. 802.11 radio, pnoje, similar)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 21:19:54 verisimilitude: I read book about chip making from the 1990s, and it mentioned using gallium arsenide instead of silicon could be multiple times faster, and it mentioned using x-rays for photolithography, but I don't see anything new about either of these.
asciilifeform would be astonished if satan came to him and revealed that ~absolutely nobody~ is seekritly making GaAs btc miners, however
signpost: punkman: probably hard to say who's exposed to what until it rips.
asciilifeform: one nifty thing about GaAs is that you can have ~optical~ buses on die
asciilifeform: nomoar worries re capacitance of lines
signpost: punkman: given the fed's purchasing, I'd expect the world's shifted out of mortgage paper, as the prices of "riskier" shit-paper suggest
signpost: if so, maybe proportionally larger stonk/corpo-bond bust.
signpost would then be unsurprised if the fed starts buying corporate bonds and index funds directly.
asciilifeform: signpost: hm wait it wasn't already?
signpost: doesn't seem to hold stonks yet, at least so claimed.
signpost: not that it matters, if it can drive others to take that risk.
signpost: can later bail some out and further consolidate finance.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-26#1054032 << cardboard ameri-houses are already closer to 'trading sardine' hollywood simulacrae than actual house
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 21:40:03 signpost: maybe they'll do the chinese thing and start building empty ones, then make them into NFTs.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-04-22 gribble: "Trading Sardines" - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28627.0>; Natural Gas In 2013: It's Now A Trading Sardine - Seeking Alpha: <http://seekingalpha.com/article/1091461-natural-gas-in-2013-its-now-a-trading-sardine>; "Sardines" are to Trade, not Eat | Gold Eagle: <http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/sardines-are-trade-not-eat>
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054084 << asciilifeform confesses that he mostly ignores such numbers, on account of their late-sovok-esque lack of demonstrated relation to reality in any direction
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-27 04:04:31 punkman: http://www.precisionreports.co/global-collateralized-debt-obligation-market-15962475 "The global Collateralized Debt Obligation market size is projected to reach US$ 158500 million by 2026, from US$ 125990 million in 2020, at a CAGR of 3.9% during 2021-2026."
signpost: yep, I've been looking at some old ones in the woods in new england lately.
signpost: probably going to fuck off in that direction. Texas can't run a grid.
signpost: I've seen a handful of old builds up there that look like they're made with actual wood, brick, etc.
signpost has a relative he trusts to advise on putting together a decent solar array.
asciilifeform: signpost: not so much sun in the north tho
signpost: maine seems to do pretty alright for the region, and there's always natgas to supplement
signpost doesn't expect the grid goes down forever, or otherwise, bigger problems.
signpost: also don't need much AC there.
asciilifeform: signpost: i thought tx was attractive jurisdiction, tho (iirc no income tax..?)
signpost: becoming less so imho. the grid's nearly failed several times since the storm, the cities are absorbing a lot of NY and CA, and the property taxes are already high, property "values" inflating like mad.
signpost: so the lack of income tax is offset by the property tax.
signpost: looking at NH though also.
signpost: curious what dpb has to say about there.
asciilifeform: signpost: nh not absorbing refugees from ca etc ?
signpost: probably some, but low population in both places.
signpost: certainly not the level of san-francisc-ification going on in austin.
shinohai: http://ossasepia.com/2021/08/23/its-called-vamp/ <<< appears "V" has been replaced now asciilifeform .... burn it all the fuck down.
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc mp himself ordered an 'embrace & extinguish' format-breaking vtron yr+ ago. wainot, what's it to asciilifeform .
shinohai now recalls .... had forgotten about that little footnote.
asciilifeform: shinohai: didja read this megalith? care to summarize the interesting differences vs. traditional vtron ?
asciilifeform: 'very smoothly and extremely usefully indeed! It's a pleasure to have it produce patches and signatures, check signatures, find and apply the relevant patches for any given task and even create essentially "branches" for exploring some changes to the code, all from one single command line tool and without the need for any additional scripts and hacked "a" "b" or hidden directories or whatnot.' << lol, apparently re-cre
asciilifeform: ated 'git'
asciilifeform mildly curious wtf this is for (if anyffin) -- finished 'by inertia' after hitlerkaput? or eulorism still in some sense going (funded by whom?) or what
thimbronion: Always had a difficult time reading diana_coman with all the "indeeds" and "really"s. Minor thing but annoying as hell.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: imho by far not the most annoying aspect of diana, but there's enuff for erryone
asciilifeform: shinohai: linked psot dun seem to contain any links to the ~proggy itself~ -- or did i miss
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054137 <<< I just came to same conclusion you did, smells like git, or `clit push origin MASTER`
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-27 14:30:37 asciilifeform: shinohai: didja read this megalith? care to summarize the interesting differences vs. traditional vtron ?
asciilifeform: it ain't in her 'code shelf' page either
shinohai was unable to locate actual proggy either, nor the gpg-replacement thingy in article previous
asciilifeform: item would be over9000x moar entertaining if included proggy. but hey, will take what can get, didn't expect continuing installments of lulzware from the mp lulz co. tbh.
shinohai: tbh though I'm sitting here lulzing at the ETH chain split earlier and all the "Guys can you please stop sending txns? Go for a walk, we all need it!"
asciilifeform: i expect there'll be a 'publication of coad is for idjit engineers(tm)' or sumthing in that vein, essay, at some pt
asciilifeform: shinohai: there's apparently a buried layer of older lulz in there (e.g. thing apparently based on a spec written by mp himself! (but does it use mp's fabulous hash(tm)(r)(c) !!? and if not wainot!)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-15 16:05:36 asciilifeform: ( bonus, mp intended it to be deliberately slow hash, rather like 'argon' and similar modern-day password-derivation widgets. then asciilifeform found order-of-magnitude speedup for the bullshit and he lost interest entirely )
asciilifeform sadly not has time atm to fully milk out the laffs from this item; maybe later
shinohai: Did anyone actually make a version of mp's fabulous hash function that wasn't in some vomit-inducing thing like golang?
asciilifeform: shinohai: see ancient thrd if yer curious re why not.
shinohai: (There might have been a lisp one floating about, could have sworn I toyed with it)
asciilifeform: in all srsns asciilifeform is a++ in favour of people writing their own softs, instead sitting for YEARS whining about asciilifeform's supposedly-insufficient ones.
asciilifeform ftr still using his original vtron from 2015 + phf's patches and intends to continue indefinitely (tho eventually would like to write depythonized replacement and w/ peh in place of gpgism)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 10:46:11 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: i'm using phf's patched version of my own original vtron.
shinohai: I know esthlos-v gets some hate for whatever reason, but I used it not 1 week ago to rebuild ~75% of the proggys I use on daily basis on this new lappy I got.
shinohai: Does precisely what I need it to do.
asciilifeform: ftr the properly generalized item vtron is a shadow of, looks like this, rather than like 'git' etc abortions.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
asciilifeform: i.e. unification of vtron, pgp, wottron, 'rsync', so to speak.
dpb: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054130 << it's new england. i only visited the few times for porc fest, which is put on by a group of people i don't much care for
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-27 14:02:30 signpost: curious what dpb has to say about there.
signpost: ah, thought for some reason that you lived there for a time.
punkman: "Taliban are calling on the population in #Kabul to hand over all privately owned weapons and ammunition within a week."
punkman: think they banned the rona vaccine too
punkman: "The exact attack vector will be provided at a later date" "However, it would seem some users identified the exploit that was hotfixed by the Geth team and are currently exploiting older versions"
asciilifeform: 'responsible disclosure'(tm)(r)(c)
punkman: who could have predicted
punkman: "“I knew that someone would eventually find the bug,” he said. “I just hoped that more people would have updated in time."
asciilifeform: bbut hey, they can always fork to undo $sfyl, neh?
asciilifeform: 'past week didn't happen, move along'
punkman: "declined to explain the nature of the exploit because it has already been replicated on Binance Smart Chain (BSC) and Polygon."
punkman: with added lulz that there are now N ethereums
asciilifeform: iirc there were at least 2 previously
asciilifeform: since '17
punkman: eth classic is somewhat different, since it forked long ago. the newer ones are bug-for-bug, I assume
mats: meanwhile, ethereum is up almost 5% for the day
asciilifeform: mats: why exactly not? it doesn't take very much washtrading to put shitcoin exch rates wherever the perpetrator wants'em
mats: i think its mostly news around fed tapering
mats: selling the fear and buying the news i guess
asciilifeform: mats: a i was assuming this is re eth in particular, rather than simply 'usd down, errything else -- up'
billymg: asciilifeform: i put together a patch that fixes the classic theme's chan wrapping bug in apple browsers and uses the list-based chan nav. sig is here too if you'd like to give it a quick test
asciilifeform: billymg: neato! will test!
asciilifeform: billymg: your sig is a binary
billymg: lol d'oh
billymg: my bad
billymg: one sec
billymg: oddly enough it works with v.pl
billymg did a test press before publishing
billymg: asciilifeform: updated in place, should be correct now
asciilifeform: ty billymg . i'ma try it
asciilifeform: ugh billymg , what's that '-' doing there ?
billymg: it's lynx only
asciilifeform: no it's not
asciilifeform: i'm seeing it in a 'chrome'
asciilifeform: see for yerself
billymg: make sure to clear cache for css
asciilifeform: ah hrm vanished when zapped cache
billymg: yeah, i saw it on your www, then `shift-refresh`
asciilifeform: aite them
asciilifeform: reflow seems to work as well. a++ billymg , ty
asciilifeform: i'ma mirror the patch
billymg: that's actually the neat thing about lynx, since it ignores css, can put special lynx-only bits in your markup and simply `display: none;` in graphical browsers to hide
billymg: was sort of an interesting exercise for me at least, formatting for both lynx and graphical browsers
billymg: asciilifeform: glad it worked, note also it's on top of 'archived_chans.kv.vpatch' rather than 'style_fixes.kv.vpatch' since it has more or less the same end result but also works with the crapples
asciilifeform: noted, ty
billymg: asciilifeform: btw, another thing for css caching. whenever i make a change to a css file on one of my sites i update the <style> link tag as well, adding a ?v=$VERSION param to the url
billymg: this forces the client to pull from the server rather than cache
billymg: e.g. my logotron mirror now on v10 <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/bitdash.css?v=10" />
billymg: some people automate this by appending a file hash but i don't make enough updates to bother with that yet
billymg: asciilifeform: np
billymg: asciilifeform: i'm about to embark on a new gentoo build like this one. can i ask if you started with one of the stage tarballs from here and if so, which one?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-23 15:13:39 asciilifeform: recently completed a gentoo box w/ xorg and using circa-2021 packages strictly, save for gcc (where 4.9) and w/out any systemdisms which crept in since the '16 cut date of dulap-gentoo ; so can confirm that it is possible. but sadly no time to document the process atm
asciilifeform: billymg: i started with a gentoo that was originally born in '11
asciilifeform: which is why said 'i'ma have to repeat this from 0'
billymg: asciilifeform: oh, i misinterpreted the 'circa-2021' packages part then
asciilifeform: billymg: iirc there is a procedure for retrofitting gcc 4.9.x into a post-'16 gentoo, possibly even in the logs
asciilifeform: billymg: circa-2021 portage + rebuild of (most of) world req'd to make current xorg go
asciilifeform: the portage in particular was planted 'whole' in place of an existing one
billymg: asciilifeform: on a laptop of mine i started with a stock upstream gentoo (2018 i think) and retrofitted with gcc 4.9.x, afaict also still systemd free (i started with an openrc stage3 tarball)
billymg: maybe i'll try the hardened openrc stage3 from their downloads page and see where that gets me
billymg: unless asciilifeform thinks i should instead stick with the dulap that's currently on the box and try to find another way around this missing dep for xorg
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-23 15:09:56 billymg: asciilifeform: unrelated, i'm trying to configure dulap with xorg and dwm but one of the deps for xorg isn't found on your repo, 'app-eselect/eselect-mesa-0.0.10-r1'
asciilifeform: billymg: in fact there 'over 9000' missing deps (i.e. where current xorg won't build on previous $lib)
asciilifeform: billymg: i rec to try from the current stage3 + asciilifeform's published ban list configs. not because i know that this works, but because unknown and oughta be tried
asciilifeform: then post result.
billymg: asciilifeform: will try this approach, ty
asciilifeform when carried out the previously-described operation, was not properly documenting, focus was to get a usable box asap above all else
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 72d 21h 21m
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697897
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.056s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697897
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697897 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.285s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.313s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.723s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.599s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697897
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: !w probe 184.108.40.206
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697899