punkman: so you mention raytheon IP, and within 30 min, guy comes in to tell you "it's not what you think"
mats: isnt centralization what martin luther was going on about?
mats: gets even more watered down after protestant reformation since the last hundred years, unitarians and whatever
gregory5: Luther defined the church as merely an assembly of people who believe the same thing, as opposed to a mystical organism.
gregory5: in practice the Lutheran church was still hierarchical, but now it was run more like a company,
gregory5: with the Bible and the confessional documents (later assembled into the Book of Concord) serving as its constitution and bylaws.
gregory5: it should be mentioned, most of American Protestantism has very little connection with Luther.
gregory5: American Protestantism mainly comes from the Radical Reformation, and from John Calvin, and John Knox.
gregory5: dpb: was your church split off from another, or was it based on an ab-initio Scriptural reading (like Charles Taze Russell)?
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059860 << the first page mentioned is quite interesting.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 16:03:13 bonechewer: Chinese are playing with ice40 too. hardware, software
gregory5: "In accordance with the development of the industry, FGPAs are receiving more and more attention, and numerous fields such as
gregory5: 5G, mining machines, artificial intelligence, image-detection, and RISC-V, have all run into FPGA's shadow.
gregory5: The famous FPGA vendors are Xilinx, Altera, and Lattice. Among these, Xilinx is the "boss." Altera was acquired by Intel in 2015
gregory5: for 16.7 billion USD. Lattice has medium-low market-share. Within our country there are also many FPGA vendors including
gregory5: Guangdong Gaoyun, Shanghai Anlu, Xi'an Zhiduojing, and Shanghai Aogexin, but these are all in their early stages of
gregory5: development, and fall behind their international counterparts by some distance.
gregory5: The basic principles of FPGAs are not complicated. Their inner portion consists of some logical units and storage-units.
gregory5: Along with PLL and some IP. The logical units are connected through routing. Such combinations may give rise to any
gregory5: sort of complex logic. It is as displayed by the image below:"
dpb: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060019 << all of the churches that were supposed to have existed in extra biblical history, they all taught against what we know the Bible says today.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 02:10:41 mats: gets even more watered down after protestant reformation since the last hundred years, unitarians and whatever
dpb: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060025 << it was started by a few people who formerly were members of MacArthur's false church in California, but I would not describe it as a split. I guess we are like Taze. I agree with a thing he allegedly taught, which is that the churches haven't been in the truth as early as the first century.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 04:25:00 gregory5: dpb: was your church split off from another, or was it based on an ab-initio Scriptural reading (like Charles Taze Russell)?
dpb: that is, the churches we can read about. I believe there have always been true believers and churches throughout history, but that they have been a minority small enough to be hidden from extra-Biblical history. God is causing this so that most people will not be saved, because He wants to make a show of them being destroyed in hell.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 01:08:59 punkman: so you mention raytheon IP, and within 30 min, guy comes in to tell you "it's not what you think"
asciilifeform saw that ip range was still Officially owned by BBN, which asciilifeform knew from historical texts and with dismay but not surprise learned that it had been digested long ago
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060026 << interesting how? per your translation, is a schoolbook summary of subj
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 04:28:30 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059860 << the first page mentioned is quite interesting.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
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signpost: asciilifeform: the guy's messages here weren't for anyone here. they were for his employer.
signpost: "aw shit, got caught looking at porn at work"
asciilifeform: lol whoknows
asciilifeform: d00d could always grow a pair of balls and set up a bouncer
signpost: bored, minimization of interest, etc
signpost: and the swearing not to do it at work again, lol
signpost: this country's full of kept cowards.
asciilifeform: signpost: the 'pants down' speech pattern was intruguing -- 'wasn't that! and wasn't me! and won't again!'
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-04-24 14:05:30 asciilifeform: 'he ain't dead, an' if he is, wasn't i who killed'im, and if i had, bastard had it coming' etc
asciilifeform: signpost: bbn co. was 1 of the great american wonders of the world, right up there w/ bell labs & parc. and such crater nao.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060071 << not only refresh www log within 30 min, but then also dig up irc password to come in and reply.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 11:43:33 asciilifeform: d00d could always grow a pair of balls and set up a bouncer
punkman: perhaps already irc regular?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-28 17:36:50 notsospooky: I am just a bored developer who, long ago, used to play with Lisp machines and enjoys loper-os.
jonsykkel: btw just solved the global energy crisis
jonsykkel: u just send a bunch of wether baloons up into air with wires atached and get static electricity from clouds gg
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: there's 100+v b/w your head and feet incidentally. no need for clouds. go and extract work from the potential diff tho.
shinohai: jonsykkel: I'll inflate all the magnum condoms and attach leads posthaste, will report back if lappy powers on.
jonsykkel: asciilifeform: well id imagine clouds continously generate stuff as they are rubbing against eachother or wtf it is etc
jonsykkel: shinohai: good keep me posted
punkman: there was this movie, they had ocean movement energy extractors, but it made earth's rotation slow down and world was gonna end
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059873 << shouldn't that (in your quirky usage) be "mine SHA" since it starts with a vowel sound?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 16:54:21 verisimilitude: My SHA design required the others, because they influenced message length calculation, but Serpent doesn't have this concern.
punkman: "Southland Tales"
asciilifeform: punkman: kindergarten puzzle: if could extract like this, determine how many kW/hr could extract before stops entirely
jonsykkel: got 5.94*10^22
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: show how!
jonsykkel: copied from wikipedia and turned into kwh
jonsykkel: was looking for just moment of inertia but result was spoiled
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060039 << not since the first century... I must say, that is quite a dismal worldview.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 10:08:55 dpb: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060025 << it was started by a few people who formerly were members of MacArthur's false church in California, but I would not describe it as a split. I guess we are like Taze. I agree with a thing he allegedly taught, which is that the churches haven't been in the truth as early as the first century.
punkman: my guess is even slowing down earth day by couple seconds would give you more energy than total used by humans in last 10,000 years
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060045 << because it indicates that Chinese firms might be interested in restoring 1990s style FPGAs which were just a bag of LUTs.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 10:36:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060026 << interesting how? per your translation, is a schoolbook summary of subj
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060068 << astute observation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 11:42:49 signpost: asciilifeform: the guy's messages here weren't for anyone here. they were for his employer.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 15:43:11 asciilifeform: bonechewer: 1 of these co's actually wrote to asciilifeform last yr, asked whether he'd agree to help design. but when asciilifeform discovered that they want asciilifeform to ~contribute money~ also, the conversation ended, there was nuffin to talk about, lol, after that
asciilifeform: gregory5: if were genuinely interested, would've already done it.
asciilifeform: but they aint. for same reason as 1980s su wasn't interested in developing own native cpu archs.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-04-03 asciilifeform: re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-05-10 asciilifeform: ru has indigenous cpu design tradition, and many of the folks who were at it prior to the great 'warez shift' of mid-'70s, when compatibility with western cpus was mandated from above - are still alive
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060108 << yea I saw that.
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060110 << there will be more opportunities after the Chinese w/ American degrees have declined. I would give it some time.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 15:00:49 asciilifeform: gregory5: if were genuinely interested, would've already done it.
asciilifeform: i hear there'll be opportunities when sun burns out also, lol
asciilifeform: (under the sea, for chemotrophic bacteria)
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2015-08-06#1227801 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oSpEiDCWJA
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-08-06 punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc << frankly, I don't know how this thing is not "cult classic" yet
punkman: oh hey they released extended cut on blueray earlier this year
bonechewer: Tangentially relevant to USSR CPUs and Chinese FPGAs, Russia is importing chip fab engineers from Taiwan
asciilifeform: 'доход ведущего специалиста в этой области может составлять до $20 000 в месяц' << notbad for ru, but pretty mediocre for 'leading specialist' by overall planet3 standards
bonechewer: It's all relative, but I have nfi how that compares to what they'd make in TW or CN. Or maybe these are just the guys who can't stand the heat in TW and like the idea of snowy Russia
asciilifeform: iirc mats was in tw recently ?
asciilifeform: maybe could comment.
asciilifeform: in usa that's a bog-standard programmer's (not 'web monkey', but systems etc) wage.
bonechewer is either underpaid, or more simian than he realizes
asciilifeform: bonechewer: prolly underpaid, if you haven't switched shops in the current (2020--) hyperinflation cycle
bonechewer: You are kind to assume that answer
bonechewer peels another banana
mats: cost of living is lower in tw, don't know how that compares to ru
mats: the health care system is very good and premiums are low by local standards
mats: i don't know too much about salaries but i've read that tsmc engineers are relatively poorly paid
mats: lots of brain drain to cn and us
mats: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/China-hires-over-100-TSMC-engineers-in-push-for-chip-leadership old news
punkman: "Biden could fine firms up to $700,000 if they fail to mandate vaccines according to a "vaccine enforcement mechanism" that is part of the $3.5 trillion "Build Back Better" bill"
punkman: 3.5 trill, nice
mats: "While the actual cost of this new legislation will ultimately depend heavily on details that have yet to be revealed, the policies under consideration could cost between $5 trillion and $5.5 trillion over a decade, assuming they are made permanent. In order to fit these proposals within a $3.5 trillion budget target, lawmakers apparently intend to have some policies expire before the end of the ten-year budget window, using this
mats: oft-criticized [www.crfb.org/papers/playing-budget-rules-understanding-and-preventing-budget-gimmicks%23gimmick10][budget gimmick] to hide their true cost."
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:51 asciilifeform: theft by lizards of the very little remaining that they have not yet stolen from people.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:39:30 asciilifeform: it's a classic arson+theft. burn down economy, loot what little savings anyone had.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:03:19 asciilifeform: never seems to happen. for the imho obv. reason that 'soft theft' via inflation is much cheaper (and less risks war) than 'hard theft' via open force
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:03:19 asciilifeform: never seems to happen. for the imho obv. reason that 'soft theft' via inflation is much cheaper (and less risks war) than 'hard theft' via open force
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060078 << I'd happily live in an America with such wonders.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 11:49:05 asciilifeform: signpost: bbn co. was 1 of the great american wonders of the world, right up there w/ bell labs & parc. and such crater nao.
asciilifeform: signpost: metoo!
signpost: at the moment not super impressed that these let the place fall to communism.
signpost: I thought that was most of the point, to not.
asciilifeform: signpost: the funnier thing is that bell labs & friends were ~themselves~ products of, well, what else to call it, communism
asciilifeform: i.e. megamonopoly in the role of stalinist state
signpost: perhaps that essential contradiction produces much of the problem.
asciilifeform: indeed does
thimbronion: asciilifeform: probably out of my depth here but weren't they monopolies that were broken up by proto-commies?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: created by 1 gen, broken by anuther
asciilifeform: the orig at&t could not have existed in anyffin like its actual form without the megastate granting concessions & rights-of-way
asciilifeform: the '82 divestiture was a lulzy move similarly to later, in su, gorby's 'cooperatives' -- lizards were under the notion that it'd result in cheaper upkeep of infrastructure.
asciilifeform: ( from short time pov -- did; bell labs spun off & 'properly managed' into oblivion as lucent co.; and the current game plan is to sell the 100$B of legacy copper to scavengers and convert to yachts )
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is partial to alex rosov's cosmography, which offers a hypothesis explaining the demise not only of bell labs but of parc etc.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-03-02 12:22:32 asciilifeform: ru writer alex rosov takes the thesis further -- he gives (fairly solid) argument that a decision was made (by bluebloods of 'civilized' world) in 1968 to halt technical progress. ( and, consequently, to nail sovok, because otherwise it'll eat'em, not having 'gotten the memo' that r&d must stop )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-03-02 12:23:39 asciilifeform: semiconductor 'escaped' (again per this cosmography) because a) underestimated and poorly understood by the 'deciders' b) required minimal insight, was pushable 'forward' by sheer 'chinese' plodding, as still (to an extent) happening
asciilifeform: it also explains why reich had to organize the (2nd!) destruction of japan, for instance.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 16:13:19 asciilifeform: mats: do you recall when usa 'decided' to torpedo its industrial base? (80s) and jp didnt feel like following along off the cliff ? what did usg do
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 16:19:05 asciilifeform: gregory4: it was a hamstringing, jp never recovered, '5th gen computing' project vanished like a dream, 'sarariman for life' and the 'trad-family' it enabled -- mostly also vanish, and so forth
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 17:53:11 asciilifeform: very much sees modern jp as a country destroyed -- by the lizards -- with weapon of financialization. where suddenly somehow doesn't matter that your craftsmen polish $object for 5years and 'put soul' in it, all that matters is derivatives-fuckwaddery and pyramids of funny moneys
asciilifeform: signpost: the possibility of 'non-communism' at the 20th c. tech level is imho an illusion -- a beautiful dream, if you like.
dulapbot: (alethepedia) 2020-12-15 asciilifeform: thimbronion: capitalism (of the kind popularly wanked to) died in ww2. after it, various forms of socialisms for erryone, whether like or not, and of the nazi flavour. simply because (as summarized by orwell) 'who cannot manufacture airplanes in large numbers, it does not matter what his other politics' or how it went.
asciilifeform: it was possible at earlier tech levels, and may be, in principle, possible at moar advanced ones. but not at the 'planes in large numbers == sovereigty' one
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-07-26 asciilifeform: the coveted 'garden of eden' situation where ~there isn't a microshit~, when there is not a usg department-of-computing that has its tentacles in every orifice - won't be coming back until some quasi-mythical breakthrough decentralizes chip fabbing
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-10-25 asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-04-17 asciilifeform: it's the most massively centralized industry that exists. there are actually moar independent satellite launchers than e.g. <= 70nm fabs.
asciilifeform: i'ma say it straight -- the 1950s usa which so many folx masturbate to -- was a communist country. exactly like sovok, britain, france. similar 'great inca' structure already in all of them, and for ~fundamental~ civilizational-stage reasons imho.
asciilifeform: nao, communist country with '2.5 room house in suburbs and mustang', 'protestant ethic', etc. but fundamentally, structurally -- same thing.
asciilifeform: just like a '747' and a 'mirage' are fundamentally same thing, even if differently shaped and built by different folx for different uses etc.
asciilifeform: kingdom where the crown is the principal economic actor, dwarfing all others -- is an inca empire. aka communist.
asciilifeform: in other noose,
vex: 1.2.8 is the squid ink pest-like thing new?
vex: lulz re mr didn't ingest. now if alf isn't the biggest troll in his own castle, I'll sober up
vex: one even wonders which mistakes he puts in textbooks to catch something thinking
vex: I suspect they're usually happy mistakes, or however it goes in cn gregor