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asciilifeform: 'opensores' w/out fits-in-head is a demented concept of 'freedom'. like yer 'freedom' to jet fart through your arse and fly across atlantic. ('no one glued you to the ground! you have this freedom!')
asciilifeform: turns out, 'risc-v' aint actually available in any standalone device. is -- a la 'opensparc' -- simply verilog turd, 'opensores for all', and 100% descriptive of ~none~
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: it's exactly same bind as for other opensores products.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, at one point blamed strictly the commercial softs world for e.g. 'automation is unnecessarily difficult to achieve'. whereas today is patently laughable, the opensores folx followed exactly same trajectory w/out any appreciable 'top-down' pressure
asciilifeform: ( de-facto aslr serves as a kind of 'nsa curtain' on the overflow etc liquishit which abounds in opensoresdom, which 'dun need to be fixed cuz aslr' except then when usg attacker suddenly no aslr , typical pattern )
asciilifeform: << afaik there aint one. just 1 of 'over 9000' basic tools that simply dun exist because opensorestards, by and large, sum to ~0
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: c/unix were built 'off hours' by folx for ~own use~ and then transformed, by force of accident, into 'standard'. similarly to much later opensores crapola.
asciilifeform: ( there are ~other~ problems -- someone actually has to write the standard, which is generally not a thing that opensores derps 'in spare time' are capable of being productively involved in to any degree. and the 'someone' has to also not be malicious idiot who permits 'undefined behaviours' for other idiots to later rely on )
gregorynyssa: among other things, the "open sores" culture leads to proliferation of "implementation definedness" rather than attention to formats and protocols.
asciilifeform: ~nobody luvvs closed shitware, but peculiarly it had a stabilizing effect on opensores at low level.
asciilifeform: however, in immediate term, would also be useful as a linux script lang that doesn't weigh a gigatonne and require 20GB of opensores liquishit simply to build.
asciilifeform: the little src present, all builds strictly on winblowz; but this is not surprise in light of the 2010s faux-opensores intel bios pubs.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform played w/ gnat for >year (and incl. disasming the output to see how actually compiles) before recommending it to others. it was hands-down best looking horse in the opensores glue factory (and imho still is.)
asciilifeform: adlai: afaik they have 'free private' for 1GB nao, or sumthing. i still dun see the appeal of shithub tho. ( i put some garbage there ~decade ago, back when thought 'opensores! folx will contribute patches!' etc )
asciilifeform: open ('opensores') toolchain, unlike xilinx's
asciilifeform: if yer doing serious numerics, expect to write own stack eventually, the opensores crud is typically good for nuffin in particular
Apocalyptic: I was using opensores makefiles as is found in the gmp-ecm repo
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-11 10:36:53 asciilifeform: also baking a massive historic opensores tarball mirror, consisting of ~errything from /usr/portage/distfiles from a number of boxen
asciilifeform also baking a massive historic opensores tarball mirror, consisting of ~errything from /usr/portage/distfiles from a number of boxen
amberglint: asciilifeform: I think you might find this amusing, someone famous in the open sores community wants to build "trustable hardware":
asciilifeform: not half as itchy as before threw out 'open sores philosophy' outta head, for instance.

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