shinohai: Having girls read #t logs to me is a joy: "Who is Andrey Vyshinsky, and what happened in 1938?" A wonderful addition to her post Colombian socialist education.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't intend to fire any shots. It's not the lifting of machines, that is an issue. It is the time doing so over and over again takes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have a pending withdrawal there. I suspect he hasn't made it to "missile control" to verify incoming and do key operation for outgoing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems the conversative, detailed lens you bring that allows you to produce gems like FFA is damaging to other sorts of tasks. MP, after trying to get you to try on some other lenses for years when looking at other things, has decided he can't tell if your conservatism is an unchangable force of nature or something else. For this reason, and the fact your conservatism seems to be surviving this crisis, he wants to
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very different dispute from '15
BingoBoingo: Well, I don't know with a reasonable degree of confidence what part of the world I'll be in when we roll over into 2020 or what I will be doing there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 14:40:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It seems the conversative, detailed lens you bring that allows you to produce gems like FFA is damaging to other sorts of tasks. MP, after trying to get you to try on some other lenses for years when looking at other things, has decided he can't tell if your conservatism is an unchangable force of nature or something else. For this reason, and the fact your conservatism seems to be surviving t
diana_coman: hello asciilifeform, not like I wasn't here before or anything.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-10-30 mp_en_viaje: do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: once again, none of your concern.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not under that impression.
BingoBoingo: I am under the impression your lensing would force you to choose oscilloscopes over opportunity to break free for conservatively overweighing what you have in hand/shed and underweighting the opportunity that may exist in the fog of uncertainty.
PeterL: asciilifeform: I was under the impression that MP was trying to get you to change your secular/TMSR ratio so as to have income from the second, rather than foregoing the first completely
BingoBoingo has no idea whether Mocky starved or has been occupied since his last communication due to conquering the Java mine
BingoBoingo: In the south eastern US? Arms prices have shot up quite a bit since Obama, but there's still large caliber entry level models
trinque: asciilifeform: I received orders to unperson you, and thus have spent all your BTC on hookers and vasoline.
trinque: I'm sure this comes as little surprise
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's what I've gathered from what you presented so far. It's a large part of why I am still open to collaborating with you on a shared hosting offering for your cottage ISP. I do want you to make it to a land with cheese and ice cream.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My big concern for you is that despite this expensive experience and the shock that rolled in with this month... you remain committed to the conservative lensing an insensitivity to opportunities for leverage. In my reading the moment MP set the disregard bit on your ISP plan was when he encountered the no outside capital ever declaration.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand you have reservations about surrendering control, but that reflexive retreat to conversatism committed you to a position that will handicap your effort. If you had instead started from considered conditionals under which you'd consider taking investment to speed growth once they'd been hit, that could have demonstrated some learning from the pain.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've still got handicaps and stupid I'm burdened with, but I hope that I'm learning all I get from retreating to them is more pain.
trinque: as for "I'm not a marketer" I made several passes at y'all regarding doing exactly that, and it was as ignored as my offer to invest in hardware production.
trinque: ftr I'm not into kamikaze myself. but lets let the dust settle here.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-05-17 trinque: republic is scant of profit centers
trinque: my opinion is that it is in part due to *all* of our narcissism, which means also mine.
trinque: cannot imitate or emulate the affectations of someone who has already won at wealth, success, etc
trinque: I am still digesting what this means for myself.
trinque: extremely low cost-basis on that one
trinque: on the subj of the wallet, it has occurred to me that the actual business isn't the wallet. it'd be providing "interface to fiatola world" as a service
ossabot: (trilema) 2019-10-30 asciilifeform: if possible i'd like to collect all the due -10 bullets from the firing squad which 'went to reflect' 1st. but this is purely asciilifeform's aesthetic pref, obv. not necessarily will be followed. 'let those w/out sin throw 1st stone.'
trinque: this is what we've ad hoc'd with the thing so far anyway
BingoBoingo: "interfacing to fiat world" is what the auctions beginning in September covered for a very small portion of the fiat space.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there's the road less taken. Keep working on your projects, keep yourself present and available, try to unburden yourself of the handicaps. Maybe in 1, 2, 5, 10 years there's reason to celebrate?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I expect those difficulties will be limited to cautions about your time/leverage insensitivity, case specific management decisions, and stern warnings that the lensing that allows you to produce gems is very dangerous applied to the rest of the world.
trinque: if the man wanted to be a dictator, I have very little doubt he'd be currently that instead of what he is.
trinque: most of the stalinesque comparisons seem to be coming from you
BingoBoingo: He's admitted errors of pilotage, recently. Including that thread.
trinque: not to mention contrary to his vast body of work
BingoBoingo is discounting the metaphors at this time as noise.
trinque: this is only one of your several very soviet-seeming beliefs.
trinque: what I think is perhaps toxic to the brain is having no contemporaries.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been reading "I've been taking small advantages for my self and the relative effects are incredible, and I'm telling you how I do this for free"
BingoBoingo must tune out of this tread for a couple hours.
trinque: man's already said, and now it's well past "either do it or don't; what do I care?" imho.
trinque: I don't expect him to adjust any of that to make me feel better, either
trinque: your extreme metaphors are really difficult, you know.
trinque: running a small business isn't ocean-parting. it's just shitty, difficult work, with high failure rate.
trinque: I deal with one that grew from a few racks in somebody else's DC to own building over the past say 5yrs
trinque: and I'm sure it was hell for them.
trinque: nope, did it with sales, which is the act of talking to strangers and persuading them to give you their money.
trinque: requires a lot of aggressive outbound to get a startup going.
trinque: re: previous, I would've taken instead the approach of "cow farm pays for rancher's house"
trinque: I dunno, now you're criticizing him for being flexible in the face of failure
trinque: which is precisely the thing you lack
trinque: fair enough, but I never heard of a feudal fief without livestock
trinque: deedbot is currently nodeless until I get another stood up with the proper prosthetics
trinque: should be soon, but for now, !!deed will just enqueue
PeterL: asciilifeform: I am confused, why does MP have to drop your resignation into deedbot? Wouldn't it be you that puts it in?
trinque: asciilifeform: nah, I can process deposits
trinque: I'm just talking about !!deed
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 19:44:40 trinque: running a small business isn't ocean-parting. it's just shitty, difficult work, with high failure rate.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 16:29:13 asciilifeform: i expect he's already working, for instance, on constructing a backpedalling from the 'you signed vpatch? yer now equivalent to orig author' doctrine.
shinohai: Hey, I learned my lesson but at time was *only* gateway I had.
trinque: asciilifeform: what'd it harm to consider the hypothesis that it's how you interface with other humans, rather than the quality of your work, that's poisonous
trinque: we spent how many years talking about the psychological disorders of americans
trinque: what of you sovworld folks eh?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bulls pay for the rancher's or dairyman's house. Cows are pretty fungible, they just make more cows, steers, and dairy.
trinque: fuhrerfollowing was only one of the sovietisms I observed. the other is "you're a secret traitor, and I always knew!"
trinque: at any rate, it's called the web of trust, isn't it
trinque: not the web of mutual dickrubbing
trinque: and no, I don't think mp a liar either.
trinque: I'll tell you where things wear thin for me.
trinque: there's been a lot of pompous ubermench blather over the years, redditard this and w/e
trinque: and don't think me a redditard apologist now
trinque: but it's plainly evident the fixation on hatred just ends up consuming all.
trinque: infecting social habits among peers.
trinque: I'm certain more than one gentleman left due to ^
trinque: not because baw stop teh hate, but because wtf, how have you earned that? where's your castle?
trinque: mp has. and this isn't hero worship out of me.
trinque: one needs nothing to, but what's it gain?
trinque: I'm not even speaking about said untermenschen
trinque: do you trust anyone in the l1?
trinque: ^ you wouldn't imagine narratives like this except about folks you hate.
trinque: this kind of thing sits in you coiled like a spring, and when you "don't hate" someone you hold onto it as best you can.
trinque: yeah, this is exactly my girl's "I got stepped on at a concert" I cured her of.
trinque: it isn't as if I cured her of this by making her taller
trinque: her prior strategy was exactly "fuck you untermenschen; I shall not be moved!!!1!1!!"
trinque: by making her more concerned about me than whatever her hindbrain wanted to yammer about, and then to prescribe alternate tactics that actually used her strengths (cute, nice butt, etc)
trinque: "make friends with everyone and get a dance party going!"
trinque: and you know, she had the time of her life, and then thanked me for cornering her on it.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-30 18:02:41 BingoBoingo: has no idea whether Mocky starved or has been occupied since his last communication due to conquering the Java mine
lobbes: (of course, that was months ago and radio silence since. who knows)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-30 20:54:50 asciilifeform: shinohai: ftr i refuse to use any heathen-built 'gateways for coin' etc. can use only a) 'fiatola from own pocket always, coin goes in storage' or b) BingoBoingo-style auctions. but even before expulsion where i lose access to (b) entirely, it was mixed bag -- delivered severely under-market exch rate, and w/ wildly variable delay
lobbes: well, at this juncture imagining myself being fatwa'd for such a thing sounds like "man with bloody axe rings your doorbell" territory. I guess possible, but I won't waste worry cycles on it now
lobbes: an' I think (as I also think BingoBoingo aptly pointed out earlier) that the 'poison' refers to the conservative lens you use, not the quality of your work. He fatwa'd diana_coman from working with you on eulora related things because he perceives it to be a high cost in operations
lobbes: but an automated bot running in #a; I mean that is low cost by definition
lobbes: maybe. I'll cross that bridge if/when it happens tho. Worse case I just have two bots: 1 mp sanctioned and 1 not. Not like mp forces trinque to run his private sphere business with tmsr only folk, you know?
lobbes: aa I see what you mean. Dunno! too many unknowns atm. Gotta cross those bridges first
lobbes: anyways, I'm off to consume food. bbl
shinohai: heh I'm already persona non grata next door, one of few reasons I have stayed tuned in for past year + is because I have, as always, found asciilifeform's work interesting.
shinohai: moolah and harem I have, perhaps not @ MP levels but enough for own comfort. (Thanks Johnson & Johnson!)
shinohai: Well I no longer have any peers to guide me in that area, though I'm sure time will come when aha! moment strikes.
shinohai: No, it was determined during my '18 surgery that faulty product by J&J caused it (from previous surgery) ... so despite MP's mocking I sued, settled out of court with 'em.
shinohai: Oh! You were close. I got injured by forklift in my previous saltmine job, which led to surgery 1 mentioned above.
shinohai: shinohai's job? Writing safety manuals in Spanish. Irony of ironies, said forklift operator obviously did not read materials I wrote very well.
shinohai: Dunno what type of mine asciilifeform currently labors in, but can always bounce of equipment like I did. Don't wind up like the 99% and drink yerself to death afterwards from boredom tho.
shinohai: Nah, I did the remote from home thing for years, usually one off offerings.
shinohai: Well I enjoy a wee nip now and again, but 100% sure it won't cure boredom or any other ailment.