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verisimilitude: I was wondering why an adjective, MAGNIFICVS, was so very irregular in terms of its comparative and superlative forms.
verisimilitude: I checked my copy of the OLD and got nothing like the answer from my learning book.
verisimilitude: I realized I'd been very skillfully misreading that part of the margin each time.
verisimilitude: It's much easier to remember now.
verisimilitude: The comparative forms of MVLTĪ are PLŪRĒS and PLŪRA, the superlative PLŪRIMĪ, PLŪRIMAE, and PLŪRIMA.
vex: cdd. it's okay to link your weblog
vex: that new cunt sounds pretty, whatchu call it? smooth
vex: i'm also in love
vex: I think the snow is a trick tho
vex sends big grins. don't get me wtrong
vex: x-m with a microscope
vex: you're x sir. embrace it
vex: two bitsie glass says yes. I missed a fuckup
vex: and caps still on
vex: we'll dye your beard grey yet
shinohai: Is this the same zx2c4 that lurks here?
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc yes
mangol: what's up with vex?
shinohai: Your experience with vex will vary by moon phases.
zx2c4: shinohai: c'est moi !
zx2c4: Happy to answer questions about that post if youve got any
shinohai: zx2c4: Will dive in yer post this afternoon, someone shared it with me on telegram via HN
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $41519.47
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937
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watchglass: : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=727937 (Operator: asciilifeform)
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watchglass: : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=727937 (Operator: whaack)
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watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
whaack: awt: crossthreading because i don't have new blatta setup, have you tried developing lisp with emacs/swank/slime?
whaack: you can use 'evil' mode in emacs to get the vi command bindings, from what i understand
whaack: when i was using CL i was using SBCL and the above 3
thimbronion: whaack: it's been ages since I used emacs/swank/slime. I did the search/archiving work using vim/some lisp plugin.
thimbronion: I'm just gonna try out LispWorks and see how well debugging multiple processes works. Could come in very hande for pest dev.
verisimilitude: Be thimbronion the only (n)vi(m) user here?
thimbronion: mp was a vim user. not here, obviously.
shinohai also uses vim ....
mats: vim master race
signpost: emacs makes for a perfectly acceptable vim
signpost is a sick bastard that uses former with evil mode
crtdaydreams: echo "setxkbmap -option caps:escape" >> ~/.xinitrc
crtdaydreams: or you're a truly sick bastard
asciilifeform used vi at various times 'not from a good life' (sysoping boxen where nuffin else present) but not attempted to program with it when had a choice, sees as a brutal ugh
signpost: crtdaydreams: defo have escape swapped to capslock.
signpost: asciilifeform: vimscript is iirc abominable
verisimilitude: I can use ed, but rather wouldn't.
verisimilitude: So, why use (n)vi(m)?
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: not asciilifeform, but I did try nvim for a while. It's more of a coad editor than vi/vim with more programming oriented features and plugins.
crtdaydreams: ever tried vim bindings verisimilitude?
crtdaydreams: I also use ~M-x evil-mode~
crtdaydreams: signpost: would like to know, do you use classic emacs + evil, or a hacked variant i.e. Doom, Spacemacs et cetera.
crtdaydreams: try em. it's like 15 min tutorial after you xbps-install vim
crtdaydreams: heh, no magick ergonomic kbd is gonna fix the way you use it
shinohai: vim is in busybox, therefore errywhere so nyeh
crtdaydreams imo good skill to have when working with systems without emacs
verisimilitude: I can use TRAMP.
signpost: crtdaydreams: nah, don't need a bunch of bluehairs getting in the way of my emacs config
signpost: but I use evil-leader with space as leader, so keymap is similar to spacemacs
signpost: didn't need all the hanky additional package management they wrapped emacs in.
verisimilitude: I just audit the code and put it in .emacs.d if I want to use it.
signpost: yep, I don't slurp unsigned shit directly from e.g. melpa either
signpost: takes no time to pull the stuff down manually
signpost: peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge.
verisimilitude: The importance of Emacs was made clear to me when I wanted to install something, but none of the package managers were an option. Loading some more code into Emacs was easy, however.
signpost: it was a mistake to remove christianity from them.
verisimilitude: They'd just be annoying about that, then.
signpost: whole point was systematizing that, keeping it eating from the same place.
signpost: now, they go around slurping anything that makes them feel that vestigial sin-shame.
verisimilitude: Instead of ``Do you agree that Putin doesn't respect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity?'', it would be ``Do you agree that Jesus Christ died for your sins?''.
signpost: eh even a few generations back nobody listened to them saying anything.
signpost: point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them.
signpost grants a better one could be made, but doesn't see on offer.
verisimilitude: There are no idiots in China; I should know, I've watched some Liveleak videos.
signpost imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution
signpost: just an example of a practical list of rules.
crtdaydreams: Time to resurrect second climacs lol.
signpost: doesn't bother me what people put their time towards, but existing emacs is fine for my needs.
signpost has written and fielded a product that used mcclim for UI, wasn't in love with it afterwords.
signpost: the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools.
crtdaydreams: mhm. one of the problems with lisp is no-one can build a sufficiently mature set of libraries that is well-documented, rivals existing libs and well-written.
crtdaydreams: it's simply not fungible. Without commercial support most lisp projects are hobbies at best.
verisimilitude: I can, but I only do it about that about which I care.
signpost: would tweak that slightly. in my experience sbcl and clozurecl were both *quite* useful commercially; however, couldn't rely on 3rd-party libs much at all, yes.
verisimilitude: Damn, I didn't proofread well enough.
signpost: and don't expect to avoid debugging and patching the ones you do use.
verisimilitude: I was surprised to see exactly one other doubly-linked list library, and my design is better.
signpost had a bitch of a time with cl+ssl years back
signpost: other items are done, and *benefit* from the lack of mainstream "open source" interest
signpost: I've never once been disappointed in hunchentoot. don't touch it; it's done.
signpost: looks like that one's actually getting some patches here and there on shithub, but I've got old versions around that work just fine.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:23:43 verisimilitude: This is getting increasingly silly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-17 14:44:23 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: difficult to object to this, asciilifeform a++ in favour of over9000x moar of this behaviour, what else could possibly stand a chance of curing ru, cn, et al from reich shitware
asciilifeform saw in ru noose 'ministry of xyz recs not to update opensoreswares...'
asciilifeform: picture, 6w ago this'd've been in the realm of asciilifeform's 'science fiction'
asciilifeform: ( apropos, in orc lulz )
verisimilitude: What a brave new world, where a stupid faggot can become known globally for a Github commit.
asciilifeform: herostratus
verisimilitude: Sure, but at least he was tortured to death for it.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:44:03 signpost: the UI was mega-simple, but all I got for my efforts was w/e imaginary cred, at the cost of losing qt which had much more in terms of practical tools.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-04 14:23:38 asciilifeform: the 1 i got furthest with, was qt, with a modified 'qtextedit'. but is dog-slow, flickers, misreads clicks, mishighlights, buggy as all hell
signpost: yup, qt sucked ass also.
signpost: just differently
signpost: poverty vs byzantine hell
verisimilitude: UNIX isn't a graphical operating system.
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. asciilifeform's gui saga )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-04 08:47:44 asciilifeform: neither wx, nor qt, nor gtk, permit any such thing, and asciilifeform's many attempts to kludge it into existence led nowhere.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-03 18:30:39 asciilifeform: fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-03 19:25:16 asciilifeform: went through 3 diff gui libs : native 'gtk' ; 'wxwidgets' ; finally 'qt' . none of'em could do it!!
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the various 'graphical os' also aint actually programmably graphical, hilariously
asciilifeform: can't do linked $item in any of'em
asciilifeform: (w/out writing entire animation stack, font shitter, etc. from 0)
asciilifeform: << they have this baked already, called harvard/nyt complex, and simply moved center from rome, and continuing a wankage from 600y ago w/out skipping a beat
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:28:04 signpost: point is to have a confucianism to answer their idiot questions before they ask them.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:48 signpost: it was a mistake to remove christianity from them.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:31:20 signpost: imagines much of chinese traditional (meaning of-long-experience) culture was zilched in the revolution
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 18:46:35 verisimilitude: That really helped them during the Opium Wars, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: << they seem rather satisfied, w/ their '8 minute hates' etc., moar so than ever
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 17:25:39 signpost: peasants have an unsatisfied religious urge.
signpost: eh no, the current peasant religion is evidently unstable
signpost: which is why trump's now jesus to the tards on one side, and similiar messianism on other
asciilifeform: hell, e.g. trostky is still apparently jizzus to somebody
asciilifeform: jizzi can last for a while
signpost: would grant all are unstable given long enough timeline. point was merely that american peasant firmware is garbage given available comparisons.
signpost: re: religions of higher strata of caste system, after the miami ru expat thread, and putins speech on the matter, was thinking how much worse it is that to our oligarchs, miami is the whole planet, and home is nowhere.
verisimilitude: Hey, is down.
signpost: works here
verisimilitude: Nevermind then.
asciilifeform wouldn't be surprised if were down for coupla min, it's happened before
crtdaydreams: << I'm going to retry this build today, fingers crossed it werks
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-12 16:15:43 billymg: crtdaydreams: homework for you if you're interested. scrap your current build attempt and start fresh using that guide. leave comments on the article if you get stuck or find errors
crtdaydreams: also, my webshit is
crtdaydreams: w/
verisimilitude: Every link is broken.
verisimilitude: It's a start.
crtdaydreams: every link is broken because no files are uploaded.
crtdaydreams: I'm borderline can't be bothered editing ftpd config to upload shiet
signpost: the can't be bothered meme ain't endearing.
signpost: also you're doing a faux salesman voice thing, stop it pls
verisimilitude: I agree.
verisimilitude: I use no memes; I speak and write correctly, ofttimes without being idiomatic either.
verisimilitude: Half of the latest memes are just ebonics.
signpost: this or nervous chittering being soothed by a circlejerk
thimbronion recently read: Dark Star Rising - interesting take on memes
thimbronion: Attempts to tie Trump/Dugin to "chaos magic"
verisimilitude: I remember back in 2016 when idiots on 4chan's /pol/ were worshipping an Egyptian god.
verisimilitude: I didn't deign to write its name.
crtdaydreams: signpost: er can't be bothered meme?
crtdaydreams: also wdym faux salesman voice thing
crtdaydreams: back in my PoE days, we used to praise le toucan
signpost: crtdaydreams: yes, the thing where tards on reddit relate by talking about how lazy they are.
signpost: other comment was re: tone on your www
signpost: "gee golly I'm self deprecating, and HOW!" etc
signpost: just write what's in your head, man.
signpost: and if that's in there, bleach first.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-01 12:09:14 verisimilitude: My favourite Reddit quote is ``I was raped by my wife's boyfriend.''; it's perfect.
verisimilitude: Oh, on the topic of language, consider reading this. I need to update it, but it's fine.
signpost finds compulsive self-deprecating humor particularly grating, in that it's tacit pleading to not criticize beyond the limits of the "humor"
signpost: anyhow, without such social grooming as this thread, no "mental health" can be had.
verisimilitude: I've thought of several mp jokes, but bit my fingers rather than submit them.
verisimilitude: Yes, it's more fun to criticize others, signpost.
verisimilitude: We may improve our mental health by being here, but that just means most people are insane.
signpost: perhaps also fun, but keeps one from catching the shit accumulating in the other.
signpost started telling wife "you should be" with a perverse grin when she apologized when unwarranted
verisimilitude: My favourite is telling someone it doesn't matter when hearing variations on ``That's fine.''.
verisimilitude: ``It's fine.'' ``It doesn't matter if it's fine.''
signpost: joke is now that she will squirm a little and go "AND I'M NOT SORRY" in the same contexts.
verisimilitude: The ``It doesn't matter if it be fine.'' isn't as smooth.
signpost: verisimilitude: yeah, "It's what I've done."
signpost: all these I take to with sandpaper.
signpost: they're just nervous noise.
thimbronion: verisimilitude: do you use pirate talk at restaurants?
signpost: bwahaha
signpost now imagining verisimilitude in the seinfeld pirate shirt
crtdaydreams: Yo ho, all together, hoist the torrents high! All together, peers and seeders, never shall we buy!
thimbronion incidentally started wearing pirate shirts roughly one year ago. many complements were had.
signpost: thimbronion: men peacock far too little in our time.
verisimilitude: No, thimbronion; I just speak in a way which normal people wouldn't realize avoids my complaints with modern English.
thimbronion: signpost: indeed.
verisimilitude: That article of mine I linked complains about just this. Proper English sounds like pirate speak nowadays.
signpost has been on the hunt for a suitable hat
crtdaydreams: signpost: re redditards: I don't concur with anything that flows from that cesspool. It reeks, literally, figuratively, euphemistically and metaphorically.
signpost: sure, I can tell you want to reject the things wrong with your surroundings.
signpost: just pointing out a few you missed.
signpost: say things here you thought through earnestly and they're likely to mesh with the gears.
crtdaydreams: signpost: re hat: a suitable roll of aluminum and 5 minutes and you'd have a nice hat :)
signpost: pffft
signpost: would ruin my reception entirely.
crtdaydreams: Bwahahahah
signpost: crtdaydreams: incidentally if you take billymg up on that gentoo project, you'll have a basis atop which you can fix yourself a router that isn't a joke.
crtdaydreams: << er can you elaborate or is this pure armchair psychology?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 23:26:30 signpost: sure, I can tell you want to reject the things wrong with your surroundings.
signpost has one here that's based on a similar gentoo on apu2
signpost: if it were "pure armchair psychology" what'd that mean?
crtdaydreams: << a view I'm vehemently opposed to. The point here is humility. I quite frankly don't consider myself or any of my past, present and future works to be "intellectual" in the orthodox sense. Someone could wipe their ass with a html printout and I wouldn't bat an eyelid. The content is simple musings and nothing more.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-18 22:57:27 signpost: "gee golly I'm self deprecating, and HOW!" etc
signpost: paring down the fluff will get you closer to the earnest humility you're going for, then.
crtdaydreams: raw .nfo is is then.
crtdaydreams: html is overrated
signpost: wasn't the tags, but anyhow.
crtdaydreams: I know. The point being I'll simplify the structure to match a simplified and fluff-less content-style.
signpost: on a different subj, has oz finally lifted some of the insanity re: going outside?
crtdaydreams: ja. not that it stopped me anyway.
signpost: yeah, didn't figure. here folks have mostly dropped the mask pretense, too.
signpost: seems like even the chinese are tiring of it now.
crtdaydreams: dunno abt the ladles and jellyspoons further south though
crtdaydreams: they'll need masks when the mustard gas drops
signpost: heh, from chinese visitors?
crtdaydreams: nah, from the Taiwanese airdrops on the invasion force
signpost figures CN stragegy is as asciilifeform puts it
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 18:57:03 asciilifeform: cn philosophy 'sit by riverside and wait for enemy's corpse to float by' is in action as we speak.
signpost: crtdaydreams: not sure I follow
signpost: *strategy
crtdaydreams: i.e. when winnie invades taiwan drop the payloads on incoming landing craft
crtdaydreams: dunno though, I have a feeling Taiwan will mostly be an air-superiority battle.
signpost: oh derp, I get it now. regarding the chinese.
signpost: was confused by whomever was "further south"
signpost: maybe, but possibly more to do with missiles than planes.
crtdaydreams: further south is melb and syd
crtdaydreams: they're probs not outta lockdown
signpost: got it
signpost: this is a population density thing, or politics?
thimbronion: crtdaydreams: isn't western australia the worst?
crtdaydreams: er you mean lockdowns or thread on cn/taiwan
signpost can't imagine why anyone would be doing 3rd year of lockdown and not tearing off the arms of anything with a uniform.
signpost: had covid, it was fine.
crtdaydreams: er I honestly don't know at this point, I pretty much stopped watching ``news'' altogether.
signpost: are you more rural oz then, or more "conservative"? not familiar with the place.
crtdaydreams: Last I understood the whole craze was ``dictator Dan(iel Andrews)''
crtdaydreams: er politically I think conservative vs liberal is fabricated bullshit intended to ``create an enemy'' in the hopes of rallying a unifying force for the eternal us/vs/them conflict
signpost: look I gave it scare quotes.
crtdaydreams: I am more rural though, and on that scale my district would be considered more ``conservative''
signpost: asking what the distinction is in-world, not as I would render it
signpost: got ya
crtdaydreams: yeah ok.
crtdaydreams: here's the catch tho, in oz nobody __really__ gives a shit who you vote for
crtdaydreams: it's nothing like US of A politics where you're dead to me if you voted for Yang gang or whatever
crtdaydreams: like aw yeah, you're neighbor voted for libs and you voted for labor. whatever.
crtdaydreams: come over for a beer and watch the cricket
crtdaydreams: s/you're/your/
signpost: only thing that unifies americans is fear, necessarily including of each other.
crtdaydreams: typically further south and towards cities, (especially melb) more labor-oriented ideas the go
signpost: commonwealth nations seem to have vestigial national identity lingering.
signpost: crtdaydreams: it's not different here; politics are more geographical happenstance than choice.
crtdaydreams: what do you mean? like the indigenous cultures?
crtdaydreams: mmm. of course.
signpost: I'm supposing that having been a more recent part of the british empire has a cultural effect.
crtdaydreams: Not sure just ~how~ familiar you are with our politics, but like everything else, it's upside down.
signpost: not at all familiar.
crtdaydreams: Our libs are (not quite but eh) basically the republicans (though not necessarily followers of the trump jeebuz) and the labor are our more progressive oriented force.
crtdaydreams: so what you call liberals and what we call liberals are opposites.
signpost: this is at least what it meant. those are more defensible labels.
signpost: yep, understand that.
crtdaydreams: Yeah. Though I personally thing labels are pretty constrictive unless we're talking about the greens
crtdaydreams: As I say; "If you don't want to vote, just vote for the greens, at least you know your vote won't count for anything!"
signpost ftr does not believe in democracy, let alone a particular faction.
crtdaydreams: Anarchy is the default state of humanity.
crtdaydreams: i.e. lack of governing body, not necessarily the other political beliefs tied to ``anarchists''
signpost: don't know about that. is everyone in this state equal in power, friends, wealth?
crtdaydreams: er, I say that in the sense of "erry man for himself" kinda biz.
crtdaydreams: What you refer to is equity.
signpost: sure, so then some form a hierarchy in this chaos, and stomp the others, and anarchy is soon replaced.
crtdaydreams: Yup. The cycle of life.
crtdaydreams does not mean to say that anarchy is good nor bad, nor heirachies or power dynamics.
signpost would say that relationship is the fundamental unit of civilization, and the quality of the former determines all other aspects.
crtdaydreams: interesting. so by that I would assume you value society over economy?
crtdaydreams: It is argueable that the transaction is the fundamental unit, and relationship comes after. Vice versa.
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