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dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-21 04:16:46 crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-08-20#1113223 << for what purpose does this arbitrary self-deprecation serve?
crtdaydreams: I don't follow. No prior mention in logz, and evidently not uneducated. Giving you the benefit of the doubt; do tell.
crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-08-21#1113228 << a prosody server isn't too much of stretch to set up, I've wondered how hard it'd be to port pestnet to XMPP
bitbot: Logged on 2022-08-21 13:48:49 d4: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-20#1113220 <<< I've been thinking a lot where I want to be contacted. For now IRC works better than setting up email, XMPP or comments in a blog.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-20 19:04:05 crtdaydreams: I missed the fact that you're on lainchins
crtdaydreams: but fwiw, IRC is diverse enough that you can find majority of the people you'd be interested in conversing with on it anyway
crtdaydreams appreciates the Discord No Way! banner aswell :D
crtdaydreams: XMPP / OTR is pretty niche for most folx
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113234 << lol! in what sense would that be 'pest' ? didja ever read the spec btw? (whole point of pest is the connectionless aspect w/ authenticated packets, aint any kinda mystery if you read even sect.1)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 05:13:08 crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-08-21#1113228 << a prosody server isn't too much of stretch to set up, I've wondered how hard it'd be to port pestnet to XMPP
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams possibly is escapee (?) from the open sores gulag where 'everything is the same as everything else' and 'let
asciilifeform: 's port toilet to kitchen sink'
shinohai: But muh matrix.org pest client.
asciilifeform: aol aim 'pest client' when.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-08-19 asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
asciilifeform: this kinda thinking continues to perplex asciilifeform . wai make n-th aol? there is already over9000 centralized aol-style chats.
mats: so you get promoted to sr engineer and then cto
asciilifeform: mats: naodays gotta at least bake a shitcoin for that
shinohai prepares for illustrious career as cto of chatcoin5000
crtdaydreams: Why is it I can't make an observation about a potential overlap between userbases without crys of heresy?
crtdaydreams: Evidently doesn't matter what interface is attached to pest, only the processing of incoming/outgoing packets to match what everyone else is using. Could ~in theory~ transmit messages by morse to a pest daemon.
bitbot: Logged on 2022-06-07 15:19:55 asciilifeform: thinks he grasps phf's point re 'rough edges' . most of'em however artifacts of draft impl. rather than intrinsic to a p2p net. i.e. there's no particular reason wai one couldn't have an outwardly aol-shaped pest client, so long as has a means to exch keys (say, with barcode <-> camera rub)
crtdaydreams: Surely I must've missed the thread where you became so hellbent against the idea, either that or something lost in transmission.
crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-22#1011278 << this. far more helpful than "hurr durr didja read the spec for the 48th time?"
bitbot: (pest) 2022-08-22 phf[jonsykkel]: a) to make concious effort to prioritize pest over #a in personal communiccation b) further put blatta through paces by running it c) write own clients.
crtdaydreams: reminds me of an encounter at a fuel station; "do ya want a rewards card?" 'no, thanks.' "you sure?" 'no, I don't want one.' "It's free!!11" 'no.' "must be crazy..."
crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-22#1011274 << also answers the above "Why not morse over pest?"
bitbot: (pest) 2022-08-22 phf[awt]: notice that there's nobody actually on pestnet! which would be an equivalent of “go to firing range, practice with many magazines”. but if with ak one can put a flashlight, and a rail and then basically exhaust the masturbatory activity, with software the malleability means that one can perpetually “attach rails” o
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113256 << there is nothing wrong with using XMPP as the protocol between your Pest station and your GUI.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 15:49:35 crtdaydreams: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-22#1011278 << this. far more helpful than "hurr durr didja read the spec for the 48th time?"
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113233 << I have done almost nothing in mathematics since being injured as a teenager.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 04:59:41 crtdaydreams: I don't follow. No prior mention in logz, and evidently not uneducated. Giving you the benefit of the doubt; do tell.
gregorynyssa: my parents were 1980s Chinese defectors. they met in the United States while attending graduate school. naturalized a few years afterward.
gregorynyssa: they were strong proponents of assimilation. embraced American values. hung diagonal flag outside of house like many families.
gregorynyssa: my father was an engineering PhD, but his tastes were not intellectual. both he and my mother had strong anti-Nerd sentiments.
gregorynyssa: I was raised under these expectations (taken from draft of my memoirs): http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=V0OY
gregorynyssa: at age of eighteen, I was a completely broken person. did not finish high school. physically beaten around 1k times.
gregorynyssa: parents had drugged me as a teenager as a last-ditch attempt to change my personality
gregorynyssa: to awaken "nonverbal communication" skills, "empathy," and athleticism possessed by other children.
gregorynyssa: at the time I had no idea why they treated me so badly. I kept thinking (very reminiscent of Confucian & Muslim mindset) that if I
gregorynyssa: performed enough gestures of weakness and submissiveness, they would reward me with gentler treatment (exact opposite of what they wanted)
gregorynyssa: moreover, I was well into college before I discovered the (purported) existence of "nonverbal communication," "facial expressions," etc.
gregorynyssa: I always thought these were metaphors or literary devices. had no idea that people believed in the objective existence of such.
gregorynyssa: it has been almost six years since I left the United States. as a former (failed) child-prodigy, this was greatest decision that I made.
gregorynyssa: hoping to revisit mathematics again after my citizenship is changed.
gregorynyssa: I have found some good career-opportunities abroad but without high-level mathematics it is not the same.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113266 << they, by all indications (and rather like asciilifeform's parents) were mistaken re: destination -- thought they had landed in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-01-08#1363028]['vhs america'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:13:30 gregorynyssa: they were strong proponents of assimilation. embraced American values. hung diagonal flag outside of house like many families.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-01-08 ascii_butugychag: problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113266 << they, by all indications (and rather like asciilifeform's parents) were mistaken re: destination -- thought they had landed in 'vhs america'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:13:30 gregorynyssa: they were strong proponents of assimilation. embraced American values. hung diagonal flag outside of house like many families.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-01-08 ascii_butugychag: problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113269 << for what precisely did father beat? (rly, for liking maffs?)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:26:22 gregorynyssa: at age of eighteen, I was a completely broken person. did not finish high school. physically beaten around 1k times.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:27:15 gregorynyssa: parents had drugged me as a teenager as a last-ditch attempt to change my personality
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-08-22#1113277 << how does getting a new passport fix maffs muscles ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:44:00 gregorynyssa: hoping to revisit mathematics again after my citizenship is changed.
asciilifeform: ( not that there's anyffin wrong with working on new passport. asciilifeform spent considerable dough & effort (futile to date) on subj, fwiw )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-08-22 18:42:03 gregorynyssa: it has been almost six years since I left the United States. as a former (failed) child-prodigy, this was greatest decision that I made.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-08-22#1011277 << asciilifeform took for 1st time in many yrs 'vacation', to carry out a physical experiment (will elide details, not interesting to readers, guaranteed) which ended in crater, demoralizing. in the course of which, lol, contracted current ver. of covidiocy. intending fwiw to get back in biz this wk.
bitbot: (pest) 2022-08-22 phf[awt]: awt: crtdaydreams is making these points on #a, while he obviously has a working pest instance. ascii's logtron has been out of sync with the net for 22d and he's been away for as long. i'd say there was a kind of attempt at a liftoff a month and a half ago, which sputtered. a worthwhile participation in pest imho would be
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