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vex: I kinda felt bad when I called dpb a ftuitloop, but then I remembered he's a fully grown man
vex: cunt gives 0 fucks
verisimilitude: Humans can learn many lessons from idiots, regardless.
vex: that's why I read your blog mate ;)
vex: can you ride a horse verisimilitude?
vex: I've got an old plodder for asciilifeform
verisimilitude: That's private.
vex: fair enough.
vex: first rule of horse riding: hold the fuck on
vex: all my ponies talk texas style. sign, bromo. pet never want's a new kitchen with a throughbred
verisimilitude: These are talking ponies?
vex: yeah thhey talk
verisimilitude: So these are magical ponies.
vex: \ex racehorses mainly
vex: mile a minute is easy going
vex: if you squeeze you knees in tihgt. fast mode is epic
vex: average modern man doesn't have a horse
vex: I also feel a bit bad that I never sent a surfboard to mp. bodysurfing evidently wasn't his forte
vex: mebbe i finish my idea and send to whaack
vex: he can sit outside on a big day
vex: when it's big, getting back to land is a whole mission
vex: it's a hard lesson
vex: I dunno why you'd move to cr without commissioning a board, or texas without a horse
vex: everyones' idea of stupid is different
verisimilitude: It may be found amusing REDDIT is a Latin word.
verisimilitude: Marcus returns the book to Titus.
vex: well, that's a turn up for the books
vex: I've never met a marcus i didn't like
jonsykkel: he returned book cuz he reddit?
vex: en francais, pardon?
verisimilitude: To return
vex: uoi
jonsykkel: makes sens
vex: I don't understand anything
vex: i do
jonsykkel: need to be latin xpert like me and v-tude to understand
vex: My scool was cheap
verisimilitude: As was mine.
vex: Teachers hated me. tricky questions
vex: don't bring those books to scool vex
vex: but miss...
verisimilitude: This doesn't seem ergonomic:
vex: renaming a boat id bad for a soul. offline is acceptable
vex: radio check wants persons on board. not souls not people
vex: I guess if you're stranded you sign sop
vex: morse used a diferent definition of woke
vex: I'd send ssm... save some monkeys
vex: or don't. highly intelligent, will probably solve ourselves
vex: are we dooing meercat jokes yet? or do we need to wait a whole year?
vex: we have a cartoon romanian meercat that sells insurance on tv here. haven't seen it for a bit
vex: simples
vex: cazalla knows
vex: meanwhile, hanbot goes to get fresh tyres. watches coz noowhere elks to be.
vex: life isan't as porno as she's thought
vex: fake tits and a bmw, really tou oughtta be able to get a rotation in any tyreshop. anywhere
vex: 3 blokes seeing to your every need, all at once
vex: the small apprentice gets a card
vex: gently ow
vex: nevermind
asciilifeform: << is part of a process where a faux-opensores 'komyoonity' was astroturfed into existence, consisting of folx jumping over one anuther to serve as unpaid labour for microshit et al
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:55:11 gregory5: << the use of GitHub as a file-system for automatic updates struck me as a very poor idea when people first started adopting it.
asciilifeform: << revolutions (or simply in older terminology 'emperor lost the mandate of heaven') are a natural process. and incidentally asciilifeform does not share yarvin's worship of stability for the sake of stability (a la ancient egypt. no thx)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 23:01:09 gregory5: << Curtis Yarvin in one of his early essays blamed the ancient idea of "one person, one soul" for sowing the seeds of the later Communist revolutions.
asciilifeform: << general professionals -- in '80s, when field was at its historic peak. in '90s, 'shift' to the 'tv dinner' left half of the bell curve, pushed by microshit, with the consequent aolization, 'point and grunt', etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-09 22:53:34 gregory5: << yep, from the enthusiasts to general professionals.
asciilifeform: << loox imho dead certain to give user new and unseen types of 'rsi' disease
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 02:59:18 verisimilitude: This doesn't seem ergonomic:
asciilifeform: vex: asciilifeform dun have , and aint in the market for, horse, elephant, diesel boat, or whatever other stereotypical toys of the idle rich fucks. dunno wai not clear. not in the target group, simply
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $40882.71
asciilifeform: $40 when!
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=718019
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.115s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=718019
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.093s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=718019 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.254s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.268s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.366s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.605s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : Alive: (0.231s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718019
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: billymg: this appears to work, ty !
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-07 15:27:46 billymg: asciilifeform: in my theme was one line that had to be moved to put the arithmetic test above the submit button, dunno how different our themes are though
asciilifeform: whaack: oughta work similarly on your www. simply move the '<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>' thing to ~after~ the comment textarea in comment.php.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, a bit of loathesome moxy agitprop.
asciilifeform: 'People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will.' didjaknow.
shinohai: lmfao running own server was prolly one of the first things I WANTED TO DO.
asciilifeform: and of course 'run servers' for this slimeball means 'liquishit on top of ethereum' and not e.g. pest (or even emule etc)
asciilifeform: from which 'follows' e.g. 'We should accept the premise that people will not run their own servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to distribute infrastructure. This means architecture that anticipates and accepts the inevitable outcome of relatively centralized client/server relationships, but uses cryptography (rather than infrastructure) to distribute trust.'
asciilifeform: etc etc
asciilifeform: and the cherry,
asciilifeform: 'At this point, software projects require an enormous amount of human effort. Even relatively simple apps require a group of people to sit in front of a computer for eight hours a day, every day, forever. This wasn’t always the case, and there was a time when 50 people working on a software project wasn’t considered a “small team.” As long as software requires such concerted energy
asciilifeform: and so much highly specialized human focus, I think it will have the tendency to serve the interests of the people sitting in that room every day rather than what we may consider our broader goals.'
asciilifeform: hey didja know, thimbronion , yer actually over9000 indian chairwarmers, cuz how else was it possible to write a working proggy!111
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-02-18 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 11:46:34 shinohai: lmfao running own server was prolly one of the first things I WANTED TO DO.
shinohai: btw asciilifeform if ya got time in a bit imma pgpgram you a new pest key and try to re-peer with ya.
asciilifeform: 'In order to get a quick feeling for the space and a better understanding for what the future may hold, I decided to build a couple of dApps and create an NFT' << priceless
asciilifeform: shinohai: how about nao
shinohai: Sure gimmie 5 mins to get in office to gpgtron
asciilifeform: shinohai: ok, rekeyed
shinohai: tyvm asciilifeform .... confirmed.
whaack: morning asciilifeform and shinohai
whaack: heh the funniest part of that piece that thimbronion had pointed out was that the whole NFT scheme of 'register your jpeg on the blockchain' doesn't even store a hash of the img on ethereum, just a link to a url
shinohai: Morning whaack !
shinohai shinohai wonders if NFT users would feel rekt if I uploaded base64 representations of their jpegs to deedbot and resold 'em. :D
whaack wonders how much money actually exchanges hands in the nft world
whaack: peterl: mornin!
PeterL: oh, hey there
whaack: are you planning on joining pestnet soon?
PeterL: yes, should be in it now?
whaack: ^ responded in pestnet, but yes sorry i had not managed to see you there!
PeterL: aha, I see it
billymg: anonymously create NFT, "buy it" with your ETH (send the ETH to yourself), properly report the capital gains (difference in USD value of ETH at the time of your NFT purchase vs. rate at which you acquired it), your NFT "crashes" and you sell it for near zero, properly report capital losses from that sale to offset ~100% of capital gains from the other sale, pay zero tax and keep your ETH
mats: i don't think irs considers nfts as property
billymg: so you're saying there would be no "capital loss" to claim?
PeterL: mats: why wouldn't they treat it the same as any other "cryptocurrency"?
billymg: also, if they don't treat it as property that means there's no tax then, so just adjust the scheme so that you buy the NFT for near zero, then sell it for bazillion, pay zero tax
billymg: mats: that's kind of useless here re: NFTs
billymg: if there's a relevant bit and you're trying to make a point just make the point
dpb: there isn't capital gains if you don't gain dollars
mats: lol
mats: it is a taxable event if you receive ethereum for an nft
dpb: is it taxable if you receive a cow for a chicken?
mats: yes
mats: whether there is enforcement is a different issue
dpb: my accountant told me it's not capital gains if you don't get dollars
mats: PeterL, billymg: i guess you could bet on irs treating nfts as virtual assets instead of collectibles, but that's hazardous
mats: there's no formal notice
PeterL: are collectibles treated much different than assets?
shinohai: We need premier mETH apologist pete_dushenski in here stat.
mats: your accountant might be relying on the in kind property exchange tax treatment, burt that's dated
billymg: from the taxbit article: "In most cases, yes, NFTs (non-fungible tokens) are subject to the same tax laws as fungible cryptocurrencies. If you’re an artist who earned money from selling an NFT, you would need to report the proceeds as income on your tax return. And if you invest in NFTs, any profits earned through sales or trades will be taxed as property and subject to the capital gains tax."
mats: keep reading
dpb: what is the profit if you get something worth the same dollar amount as the thing you traded for it
mats: what do you think?
billymg: "Whenever you sell an NFT, you incur a capital gain or loss. For example, if you bought an NFT for $10,000 of ETH (this is your cost-basis) and then sold it for $15,000 of ETH, you would incur a taxable capital gain of $5,000."
dpb: i think there isn't profit
mats: that's not the same thing as the nft wash sale you described
mats: i mean, maybe it could work, billymg, but i don't think its clear yet
mats: oh, my bad, mistook it for the depreciated eth situation in the piece
dpb: i don't care about counterfeit bitcoins. the IRS can tax them 100% for all i care
billymg: obviously i was only musing anyway, i personally don't spend time attempting to "beat the house" with various schemes
mats: its a good scheme but far too available to retail
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-25 14:44:10 asciilifeform: re 'holes' -- they work only for the enemy. (i.e the people for whom you are even being taxed to begin with)
asciilifeform: when over9000 plebes go 'i'ma dodge tax via $loophole, like bezos' hole is patched pronto, for the abundandtly obv. reason.
asciilifeform: (for that matter, even if it's just you and 5 other fiddlers, if you 'win' the audit lottery will be nailed, simply cuz you aint bezos)
billymg: yeah, at this point the only winning move is cold storage that dies when you die
asciilifeform: when you get a lump of usd from an official (e.g. gox) org, they generate a 'this fella owes' event in usg record. ~loss~ (i.e. rebuying same coin) generates no similar automatic subtraction.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-25 10:42:23 asciilifeform: punkman: in usa, if you have any kind of official presence there, when you buy xyz for coin from a usg.corp, they file a 'form 1099' tax report to declare that you've 'sold' coin and received its usd equiv. as 'income' (whether or not it in fact sold in the usual sense) and you eventually get a bill for up to half (!) of the sum.
asciilifeform: yer stuck with the job of convincing tax collector that you dun owe.
asciilifeform: this aint necessarily impossible, in general case -- if yer bezos etc, and retain armies of lawyers, accountants, etc. can have impeccable paperwork and get that subtraction to happen and even get 0
asciilifeform: if yer a plebe, can also declare that 0, but at some pt will be audited and fined over9000.
mats: well, the good news is that congress is still a lame duck and that'll probably continue after midterms conclude
mats: so no new taxes
asciilifeform: mats: wasn't speaking of new taxes, merely old ones
mats: i know
billymg: i assume everyone here remembers the attitudes of kids back in the days of napster, limewire, emule, etc. -- despite headlines of "jimmy gets $5M fine and 10 years in jail for downloading metallica" no one gave a shit
billymg: i see same attitude in the youngsters these days re "crypto"
asciilifeform: billymg: cuz was mostly hype. no one jailed, and the judgements (the handful there were) are dischargeable in bankruptcy (unlike tax debt)
asciilifeform: of course plenty of folx in usa make 'over9000' and pay 0 tax, but they live in 'cash usa' generally
asciilifeform: where no dossiers
billymg: but i still see the same with kids in crypto these days, they literally don't care about the over9000 tax laws
asciilifeform: billymg: reason for this is that they've ~0 usd
asciilifeform: for so long as yer imaginary-rich in ethertardium etc., tax collection is -ev and aint done
billymg: perhaps, i obviously don't have any real data to go on, just sentiment in forums
PeterL: usg does not care about the lamers with nothing to their names, they care about the middle guys who they need to extract from to live
asciilifeform: other thing is that in current-day usa the path from 'gox made you a 1099' to collections takes 4-5y
asciilifeform: so most of the shitcoinism simply hasn't been around for that long
asciilifeform: (usg.irc still runs mostly on paper, evidently, and worx at ~same pace as in pre-computerization age)
whaack is happy that he has left usaschawitz and does 99% of transactions in a closed bitcoin<->cash loop
asciilifeform: *usg.irs
asciilifeform: whaack: closed loop worx
asciilifeform: (so long as it's actually closed)
mats: the new crypto broker provision will close most of the remaining holes
mats: and there's more stuck legislation regarding defi and moneros
asciilifeform: mats: as i gather billymg was speaking of folx who simply didn't bother to pay, rather than hole exploiters
mats: many of those that can bother not to pay are because of reporting reqs
asciilifeform: (in general one can 'not bother to pay' for many yrs and think 'got away')
billymg: i'm just saying guys in their early 20s think different (lots of testosterone, willing to die on the frontlines because they know the alternative is living in the pod and eating the bugs), and they don't seem to have much respect for the IRS
billymg: probably a lot of em will end up in El Salvador
asciilifeform: these can 'get away with it' for potentially infinite time, simply by remaining usd.paupers
mats: they won't get a choice
mats: so long as they do business with rats
billymg: and maybe biden drone strikes them all, idk. to me seems more likely that a new balance must be struck, like with unlimited music for $9.99/mo vs. $20 (1990's dollars) per cd
asciilifeform: (tax collectors typically show up when you have sumthing for'em to collect)
asciilifeform: billymg: actually very similar situation -- the current gen simply doesn't ~have~ that 20$ x # of disks
asciilifeform: to their names
asciilifeform: it's rather like with the 'student loan forgiveness' crapolade
asciilifeform: 'they don't have what for us to collect' 'ikr, let's 'forgive' them, score points'
mats: i wonder how many cryptobros will actually be able to stomach living in el salvador
asciilifeform: the minute 1 of these people gets a paid job with $saltmine, will find bill for over9000 + fines
mats: doesn't sound as appealing as chile or uruguay
asciilifeform: mats: are they ~actually~ living in salvador or rather living in orcistan while paying w/ usg cards etc. tho
asciilifeform: cuz the latter only delude selves that they're 'living in the outside'
billymg: asciilifeform: i can see that too. and when they find someone who *does have*, they do collect
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 15:57:25 asciilifeform: shinohai: moar likely they simply wanted some btc (perhaps to refill waterfall, hence yest.'s -xx% dump)
asciilifeform: (wherever yer living, if yer fiatola accts or cashflows are in reich, yer living in the reich, elementarily)
mats: i do often wonder how latam will modernise its financial plumbing
asciilifeform: mats: ro, turned out, 'modernized', hence wai asciilifeform could not get bank acct there in '17
asciilifeform: and similarly BingoBoingo in uy, iirc was only able to get a reich-enabled 'lite' acct after giving us passport
mats: will they get rolled up in usg's cbdc? e-cny? or some eclectic mix of bitcoins, usd stablecoins, other shitcoins
asciilifeform: mats: whichever 'modernization', from 'user interface' pov will likely remain similar to today's imho
billymg: mats: with bitcoin of course, will "leapfrog", like africa with cell phones. latam will say fuck off to FATFuck and it will become the new continent of freedom
asciilifeform: billymg: the 'freedom' to pay over9000% import tax, for instance
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 12:05:51 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: mp sent BingoBoingo to uruguay (iirc was a choice b/w it and brazil) and when BB discovered that the only practical way to get irons there is to import (and either smuggle or pay 200% tax) , mp said 'oops' and put the isp (then called 'b.isp') for sale.
asciilifeform: (if you want to buy sumthing that dun grow there)
asciilifeform: afaik 100% of latam shitholes ^
asciilifeform: afaik it's how they fund their elite yachts. 'hey yer a rich foreigner, pony up'
mats: billymg: tx fees are too high
mats: so its back to chivos and lightning network
billymg: mats: lightning, yeah
billymg: for the everyday stuff, bitcoin for when you're buying a house
mats: i dunno, we'll see
whaack: doesn't lightning only save 20-50% of the txn data? or is it completely off chain?
mats: the network effect of usd and rmb is much stronger
billymg: whaack: pretty sure lightning transactions are 100% off chain
mats: yeah, LN channels still need to be opened and closed
billymg: segwit is the 25% savings ones or whatever
billymg: mats: right
asciilifeform: big fat diff whether they're on-chain if gox keeps dossier, neh
mats: if you do it entirely in a chivo then 100% free
mats: as i understand it
asciilifeform: ( and wtf is a 'chivo' ? )
whaack: 100% free with 10% of going bust?
shinohai: asciilifeform: fuckchivos
shinohai chuckles, but chivo is ElSalvador's rebadged strike wallet ....
whaack: from what i understand chivo is some wallet they promoted here that lost a bunch of peoples i-cant-believe-its-not-bitcoin
asciilifeform: i.e. their national gox ?
billymg: asciilifeform: exactly
asciilifeform: dun see what major diff from user pov from any other gox then
billymg: but works with sending/receiving to "private addresses"
billymg: i guess just like gox
asciilifeform: as in actual btc tx? or 'private' like 'protonmail'
billymg: asciilifeform: afaik no tx tax on btc in ES
billymg: asciilifeform: like actual btc
asciilifeform: if 'no tax', prolly simply the bait in a future bait&switch then
asciilifeform: how else.
billymg: bukele seems serious about this, i'm cautiously optimistic
billymg: asciilifeform: well from bukele's perspective this move could bring in a bunch of coins from all over the world
asciilifeform: right, bring'em in, then harvest
asciilifeform: (why else to bring'em in)
billymg: the bringing in is the harvesting
asciilifeform: not if '0 tax 4evah' neh
billymg: why not? wouldn't be any different from gold based economy, no?
asciilifeform: a state 'bringing in' dough w/out intending to steal it, makes as much sense as a pedo 'only offering candy' w/out planning to fuck
billymg: there would still be sales tax, income tax, whatever
billymg: just no made up "capital gains" tax
asciilifeform: then not all that diff from e.g. europistan neh
asciilifeform: (or the moar btc-friendly jurisdictions, e.g. wherever jurov lived)
billymg: asciilifeform: right, i do remember reading that there are some other countries that have 0% capital gains tax on bitcoin
billymg: dunno which countries though
asciilifeform: these always have some other means to rip off, e.g. extortionate vat
asciilifeform: like uy
billymg: yeah
asciilifeform: 'tanstaafl'
mats: is it really extortionate though
asciilifeform: mats: didja fughet the uy customs thing ?
mats: i've never looked at an analysis of it vs the us style sales tax system
billymg: even in cr i see tons of "cash preferred" businesses (e.g. you get a discount which coincidentally looks a lot like the vat rate)
asciilifeform: usa doesn't seem to give half a rat's arse re the tax value of the contents of suitcases at airport
asciilifeform: unlike ar, uy, etc
asciilifeform: (or even packages in the post)
asciilifeform: anyffin short of a railcar
mats: maybe packages should cost more
mats: there'd be less consumption if people were more poor
whaack: my understanding of el salv pres is that he is a massively ambitious person who sees bitcoin adoption as his path to more power
billymg: asciilifeform: in cr mostly don't care at the airport either, though every now and then you might "win lottery" and they'll try to appraise your items
asciilifeform: billymg: dunno if you recall, in piz era, ben_vulpes 'won' this lottery
asciilifeform: (in uy)
asciilifeform: tax was considerably in excess of the actual value of the cargo
billymg: asciilifeform: there's a way around it too, at least in cr. have your printed out lulazon invoice ready to go, if under $500 then no tax (html inspect element)
asciilifeform: (inevitably, given that it gets assessed against close to 'new price' of the goodies)
asciilifeform: billymg: asciilifeform had shipped various small items directly via lulazon, tax was ~equal to the purchase prices
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo found a way to get (some of it) back
asciilifeform: but took aeons
billymg: i mean for the suitcase carry, not shipped
asciilifeform: right, but if yer springing for the plane tickets, may as well use asciilifeform's method
billymg: yes, when ordering off amazon here, the landed price is basically 2x list price (but this includes shipping also)
asciilifeform: exactly what asciilifeform was talking about.
mats: nice
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's 0tax suitcase method sadly req's a courier w/ us passport tho.
billymg: but, asciilifeform, if you buy land for a coupla million, they don't have to import that
asciilifeform: (how else to plausibly 'intend to bring it all back')
asciilifeform: billymg: or bananas, lol
asciilifeform: but yer gonna make usb cable outta banana peel or wat.
billymg: just saying, it's reich tax on 100% of purchase vs. bananastan tax on only imports
billymg: purchases*
asciilifeform: all depends, do you intend to live like monkey or white man.
asciilifeform: the latter will be importing ~errything
asciilifeform: bananistan doesn't make cpus.
billymg: well, when building a house, the wood and concrete (and labor) is local here
billymg: a lot of the food is local
asciilifeform: food , house, women, etc. sure, can local
billymg: like basics, chicken, pork, beef
billymg: yes, exactly
asciilifeform: hence 'depends'
whaack: you need to find ways to get shit from the us, and it is expensive and complicated, no doubt about that, that is one of the prices you pay to live in 'bananistan'
asciilifeform: iirc whaack is running field test of this, so can comment in depth
billymg: asciilifeform: can tell you my personal experience: if i need an item now, i eat the 100% markup to order on amazon. if i don't need it now, or know that i will need so many per year, i have a family member bring it in a suitcase
asciilifeform: if you still have the us passport, can bring things by hand asciilifeform-style ; but as i understand this defeats half the point of living in banania
asciilifeform: makes sense
asciilifeform: if you have folx willing to courier for you, yer golden
whaack: billymg and i use the same sytem then
whaack: nice thing about cr is it is very easy to convince people to have a vacation here
asciilifeform: makes sense
asciilifeform: 'go to beach, bring me cpu'
whaack: pretty much
asciilifeform: i suppose worx if you have w/ whom and aint in any kinda hurry
billymg: yeah, and if cr becomes the next El Salvador then likely the service whaack and i use will start eating btc
bitbot: (pest) 2022-01-07 billymg: awt, whaack: you guys seen this yet? saw it here
bitbot: (pest) 2022-01-07 signpost[billymg]: billymg: iirc bukele said two other countries were going to accept bitcoin as legal tender in 2022
asciilifeform moar in the category of 'how to get btc' problem rather than 'how to eat it efficiently'
asciilifeform: tho the latter problem aint uninteresting to asciilifeform
mats: is it a problem because you dont want to buy aml kyc coin?
asciilifeform: mats: well wouldn't be problem then, neh. would buy clean coin tho
asciilifeform had a fella who was for long time endlessly hungry to trade coin for shitpaper, but he drowned
asciilifeform: mats: i misread yer ln. yes, dun want 'amlcoin' obv
asciilifeform: 0 use for that. is 'buying own cross'.
mats: there are still retail venues for buying non amlcoin
asciilifeform: mats: well there's 'local dark alley' lol
asciilifeform not interested
mats: there are still bitcoin atms that only ask for sms verification
asciilifeform: so amlcoin
asciilifeform: all the ones in asciilifeform's local also have prominent cameras
mats: you can buy a phone and card with cash
asciilifeform: (tried to use 1, for laffs, found that it dun actually emit coin: it gives you ~url~ , goes to a gox, where demands address, ssn, etc !)
mats: they won't be able to do that legally for long, i think the crypto broker provision kicks in end of year
asciilifeform: mats: ithink they already 'kicjked in here' lol
mats: i think the coinflip people still don't ask for ssn etc
mats: the nonaml atms are much fewer in number than the aml ones, so it takes some looking
billymg: asciilifeform: seeing as how this is a public log and you use your real name on your blog, what's the difference between "we suspect you have coin because gox told us" and "we suspect you have coin because you were talking about it"? don't both roads lead to the same soldering iron?
mats: but they definitely exist
billymg: in both cases can say "no, lost the keys"
billymg: or "no, got hacked and stolen"
mats: asserting ownership at all is not recommended
billymg: mats: you mean "lost/stolen" implies "had" to begin with?
mats: yes, and what if it moves ten years later
billymg: that's why "stolen" superior to "lost"
mats: better not to answer any questions
billymg: i see your point
asciilifeform: << great q. the correct response is individual matter (but generally some variant of this formula )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-10 14:20:34 billymg: in both cases can say "no, lost the keys"
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-16 22:10:16 asciilifeform: as for the coin, the correct algo to 'hodl' is exactly same today as was in '09. i.e. your hdd has what's indistinguishable from rng output. and as for the key, maybe you once had it, but now lost in boating accident. and forgot where boated. (and if you can't stick to the story, will have to carry cyanide.)
asciilifeform: proving present-tense control of a coin is impossible. but if yer in a situation where this doesn't actually help you (in torture room) it doesn't even matter whether you own any coin, will still get ling-chi'd
asciilifeform: ( how wouldja prove that you've coughed up yer last coin? there's a reason dpr aint getting out )
asciilifeform: the other pertinent detail is the sheer sloth of the bureaucracy -- for instance asciilifeform still gets calls offering 'ts clearance'
asciilifeform: 'try reading my www?'
asciilifeform: 'we dun do that'
asciilifeform: prolly you could write for yrs in detail re how you stole the kohinoor diamond and killed kennedy, and the machine only wakes up once someone issues you a '1099'
asciilifeform: ( why this is so, continues to astonish asciilifeform . but remains. )
asciilifeform: mp's hypothesis, that they want not a corpse, but a suitable actor ready to act 'correctly' and enthusiastically in show trial play , prolly had some merit.
asciilifeform: but impossible to say for certain.
asciilifeform: the shape of the intake end of the funnel certainly supports it.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-05-25 asciilifeform: has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc
asciilifeform: actually earning a usg carbomb ('addressed to name, not 'to occupant'') seems to take moar ingenuity atm than asciilifeform has to muster.
whaack: afaik ross is selling nft's
whaack: i actually tried to watch the trial in nyc, but i showed up on the wrong day
asciilifeform: whaack: what makes you think it's him ? accepts payment in prison scrip ?
asciilifeform: ( dunno if even makes a diff, reich has a 'profits of crimes' where crown keeps 100% iirc )
whaack: nah, very possible it's fake ross
asciilifeform: i dun recall a pubkey for him even before taken captive
asciilifeform would not regard messages purporting to originate from a reich captive as authentic for any serious purpose; w/ exception of an unlikely escape & getting to his keyz
asciilifeform: usg captive oughta be viewed as dead. like one at gestapo.
mats: lol, recalls when OJ had to give up rights to his 'i did it' book
asciilifeform: iirc is a straightforward statute, no special decrees req'd
asciilifeform: 'may not profit from his crime' etc
mats: apparently OJ was paroled last month
mats: oh, actually, early release from parole
mats: maybe i'll see him in vegas
mats: lots of people have cellphones in us prisons, asciilifeform
mats: although i don't know what the fed system is like
asciilifeform: mats: generally in even deepest prison in the world one can find a way to sneak a message out.
asciilifeform: what one can't do is to sneak an ~authenticable~ message out (with possible exception of small-bitcount 'head otp' in the old style of 'code sentence')
asciilifeform: r. hess for instance sat incommunicado '45--'87, but near his 'suicide' did, supposedly, get a coupla letters out via a priest.
asciilifeform: (this was discovered and he was 'hanged himself' before could send out anyffin 'interesting')
asciilifeform: d00d, if anyone is unfamiliar, was the 1 and only occupant (w/ exception of his coupla dozen guards) of spandau, berlin, for last iirc 20+y of his sentence
asciilifeform: mats: an impromptu (i.e. w/out codewords) msg via pnoje aint 'authenticable', can rather likely be simply under dictation of jailer
asciilifeform: (not even in the elementary case of 'i know his voice' authenticable, asciilifeform can barely tell over modern 2kb/s pnojes who is talking)
asciilifeform: tldr -- if you anticipate having something to say to folx from reich dungeon, agree on magick words in advance.
asciilifeform: (and they gotta sound innocuous)
asciilifeform: the # of people who oughta know what they are -- is exactly 2. you and the addressee.
mats: i want 1 gyro with extra lamb fat and white sauce
asciilifeform: 'they gave me spaghetti. i asked for spaghetti-os's! i want the press to know this.' -- fella in electric chair, famously
asciilifeform: or, i suppose, can 'be creative', capt. kidd threw some scribble at the crowd from gallows, still today reprinted as 'treasure map'
asciilifeform: (incidentally iirc his treasure is 'in' cr !!)
asciilifeform: cocos island.
asciilifeform: scribble iirc had map and a blob of purported ciphertext.
PeterL: this is kinda like pest, you have to have separate key for each potential adressee
asciilifeform: PeterL: well, symmetric. a la lamport or whatever otp.
asciilifeform: nobody's yet devised a pubkey algo you can use in head.
asciilifeform: heads dun come in the size req'd for any extant one.
asciilifeform recalls scene in n.stephenson's 'cryptonomicon' where some fella was captured and found 'conveniently' in his cell a lappy with pgp and his ciphered privkey. naturally bugged.
asciilifeform: 1337 w4r3z if anyone gives a damn
mats: i read that inmates use green dot card numbers as currency
asciilifeform: how'd that work ?
asciilifeform: (and hm wat's a green dot card to start with?)
asciilifeform: 'The company collects identifying information about account holders, which according to court documents helped the FBI locate a suspect's home in the BGF case.' << lol! megacurrency
whaack: pete_rizzo_: howdy
asciilifeform was gonna 'wb pete_rizzo' but toolate, evaporated
whaack: yup, maybe logs should have join/part included, since the frequency has gone done substantially
asciilifeform: whaack: irc obsolete rly
asciilifeform not contemplating any major changes to logotron w/ exception of what's req'd for pestization
asciilifeform does not discourage folx from loggin join/parts if they feel like it, but they aint meaningful in pestism
whaack: fair enough
bonechewer: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, folks.
asciilifeform: why ty bonechewer
bonechewer: Here is another attempt at some glad tidings, though YMMV. Regarding [
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-24 19:05:18 asciilifeform: speakin' of collapse & shortages of erryday items, turns out that furniture made of actual wood has '6+ mo' (i.e. unbounded, a la btc miners) queues. and that's with prepay
bonechewer: Ten or so years ago, it was possible to haggle with the manager at one of this outfit's retail locations, strike a bargain on floor samples, and come back a day later with a truck and roll of cash
bonechewer: NFI about the situation today, but certainly worth a visit if asciilifeform is ever as far north as the NYC environs
asciilifeform: bonechewer: it's a day's drive there from asciilifeform's shithole.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: fortunately already bought the req'd item w/ cash in a back alley deal tho. but ty
bonechewer: Yep, but the price differential was worth a few hours' drive for me
asciilifeform: from Official vendors situation was utterly sol. the fella who sold asciilifeform his, wanted to upgrade, paid in august, still waiting.
bonechewer: ah, didn't realize you only need one item. I had a whole shopping list, which made the drive worthwhile
bonechewer: *needed one item
asciilifeform: needed several, bought'em all for cash from humans
bonechewer: gotcha
asciilifeform: skipped the idjit 'custom laquers' tax (not to mention extortionate sales tax etc)
bonechewer: trading with humans in cash is really very nice, I'll miss it if/when the lizards stamp it out
asciilifeform: will stamp it out when the mind control towers properly debugged & online
asciilifeform: not sooner
asciilifeform recs to anyone who hasn't one, to buy rusty truck while still can, the largest you can find, a++ instrument for this kinda thing
asciilifeform: easily pays for itself after 3-4 avoidances of the 'newness tax' via 'be at xyz warehouse at 0700 hrs w/ $'
asciilifeform: (rentals are a joak where asciilifeform lives, easily 'reserve week+ in advance' xor 'we haven't any trucks, sorry')
bonechewer: Folks are getting wise to the net present value of reichsbux vs. functional capital items. I bought a 2009 SUV two years ago for $8k, now see folx online asking ~$12k for same model with comparable mileage
asciilifeform: e.g. took asciilifeform coupla wks to find a < 10k$ tub that'd still move under own power
asciilifeform: (and numerous visits to junkyards masquerading as auto lots)
asciilifeform: 'musical chairs'. find yerself a chair.
bonechewer farms those visits out to at $179 a pop; expensive but makes long-distance purchases thinkable
asciilifeform very reluctantly pays people to do a work he can do w/ own hands
asciilifeform: perhaps too reluctantly
bonechewer: Sure, for local purchases using them doesn't make sense. For distant purchases, though, it lets me make up my mind on the vehicle without potentially wasting a day traveling to go see it.
bonechewer: But in any case, now that you have the truck, happy hunting and happy terraforming, asciiliform!
bonechewer must bbl
asciilifeform: ty bonechewer
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