PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059702 << What do you mean "slowly build up a house"? Are you buying one brick at a time?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-26 13:29:55 dpb: we also owe all our vehicles free and clear, which is the tougher one to live with. You can slowly build up a house. Can't slowly build a new car
PeterL: How can it possibly be easier to have 200k for a house than 10k for a car?
PeterL: or whatever values, but the house is typically at least one order of magnitude greater than the car?
dpb: houses don't cost 200k when you build them yourself. And yes, buy a brick at a time if you must.
dpb: step one is dig holes and fill them with concrete and a wood post with a metal bracket on it. You can build that with little money, and then save up for the next step which is to put the floor on it, and so on..
PeterL: where do you live while you build a house?
dpb: in someone else's house, a tent, a shed, a trailer, etc..
PeterL: And here, just the empty land to build a house on costs more than a car
dpb: when it gets far enough along, move into the hosue that is under construction
dpb: land is cheap here
dpb: and then when you are "done," start building an addition, and so on...
asciilifeform: lol overhere simply the land costs most of that 200
asciilifeform: (and that's without pipes, permits, bribes, taxes)
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059724 << are you saying it goes the other way, low interest rates lead to QE?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-26 23:55:07 mats: i mean, qe does lead to low interest rates, but the first step is to lower interest rates, they're separate levers
PeterL: and what here counts as "low" interest rate?
asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
asciilifeform: rather how the throttle and clutch in your auto are also 'separate levers' but at same time center around a common activity -- driving
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-15 12:15:56 asciilifeform: schematic thought process of nomenklatura parasite, 'so what if i drove u.s. steel industry into the ground. just cuz my employees lost shirts, doesn't mean i should lose yachts. i'ma ask my chums at fed to print $trillion and give to me. and will throw a few pennies to the starving peasants, while at it, wouldn't want'em to organize and pull a 1917 on me..'
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-08-15 12:21:23 asciilifeform: the reason why inflation is observable in 'cartoon colours' in sad orcistans, e.g. argentina, is that in such shitholes, the elite's ~only asset is the printing press. crowned muppet ~will~ try to keep palace and private jet etc, even if has to pay for it 100% by printing peso.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059741 << is rather like to ask 'what counts as high speed' when heading into a brick wall.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 10:46:06 PeterL: and what here counts as "low" interest rate?
asciilifeform: picture if reich were lending to plebes (for mortgages, rather than generic dough obv.) at 0%. would result in even more outrageous price cancer than currently seen.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059742 << Lebanon doing an Argentina right now
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
cgra: asciilifeform: if lossy line is manageable, then i suppose skimping on the station hardware also equally manageable, because you could keep a queue of incoming packets and drop some randomly, if queue ever nearing full (ie. running outta cpu juice)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-19 16:24:55 asciilifeform: apeloyee: in 0xFD rev. there is 'getdata', which addresses loss
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-23 15:47:04 asciilifeform: so you have too few cycles on given iron? ok, simply means that you need to throw away certain % of 496b packets without eating'em. not fatal.
cgra: asciilifeform: right!
gregory5: I have long had trouble understanding concepts from finance/economics,
gregory5: but whenever asciilifeform discusses the subject then everything suddenly makes sense.
gregory5: the logged conversations of 2021-09-22 and 2021-09-26 were especially informative.
asciilifeform: wb gregory5
asciilifeform: gregory5: the most effective heuristic for grappling with a subject dominated by obscurantist scum, is to 1) figure out who are the obscurantists 2) figure out what they have touched 3) take the material discovered in (2), and... ignore all, incl. any derived (or study quality refutations thereof, strictly, if such exist)
kakobrekla: i recall how alfie was worried ba will be taken over by usg spamzorz or something along those lines, now camly accepts religidiotispam in his house. sad&lul simultaneously.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lol you only nao noticed dpb ?
asciilifeform: !!rated danielpbarron
deedbot: asciilifeform rated danielpbarron 3 at 2018/01/24 23:11:23 << operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing
kakobrekla: he is an imbecile.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: on the contrary, imho he's a literate crackpot, like yours truly.
asciilifeform: and like many other folx here. prolly why tuned in.
kakobrekla: i guess y'all more fucked than i imagined.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: possibly you even notice that asciilifeform and dpb agree on a number of things. ( and asciilifeform dun much care if dpb agrees because sees it as will of allah, or whatever )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-26 13:18:39 dpb: it's not wrong to lend money, but it is evil to owe anything to anyone (except love)
asciilifeform: the religious folx are imho some of the last with the will to resist (even if seldom effectively) the reich.
kakobrekla: my guess is that you also agree on basic arithmetic with random jihadist
kakobrekla: doesnt mean any of parties is sane.
asciilifeform: more than arithmetic
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: show me some time where the sane people are.
kakobrekla: not in the institution that fella keeps linking, thats for sure.
asciilifeform admits -- hasn't read in depth
kakobrekla: this somehow reminds me of "jesus will come back on a spaceship" ... "duuuh dont be stupid now, it will come back via a hammock carried by a dozen angels"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: my favourite jizzus is the mormon one, who iirc is equipped with a jet right in own arse
kakobrekla: not familiar with that particular joke
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they have icons where he's rocketing up to heavens on what looks rather like arse jet
kakobrekla: but whatever, its pathetic to allow someone to dump total garbage in yer chan just cause he has a few of items you made
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: he's a customer of mine. and doesn't speak particularly often.
kakobrekla: and when he does, it sure is spamolade idiotism.
kakobrekla: if i buy 10 goats, can also link random penis enlargement pills erry day?
dulapbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 21:45:48 danielpbarron: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-11#1003641 << http://danielpbarron.com/2019/mp-wp-on-a-rockchip-the-gentoo-lamp-saga/
kakobrekla: yes or no ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: mu
PeterL: dpb's one line constantly repeated is rather spammy and obnoxious, but nobody asked me
asciilifeform: vex atm is spam champ, at least per loc
dpb: i warn each person one time, and when i did it via direct message, they would end up pasting it here anyway
asciilifeform: dpb: i think you did gregory5 at least 3x lol
asciilifeform: dpb: i'd hope you at least do these by hand, and not w/ perl
PeterL: and it is in the log, so you don't have to keep repeating it
asciilifeform historically tolerates various ??? for so long as the emitter also occasionally does sumthing useful or at least entertaining
dpb: i moderate a channel on discord, and i allow anyone to advertize anything, even if they never contribute otherwise, and it's never been a problem
asciilifeform wonders why kako tuned in as long as he did
asciilifeform: dpb: boggles my mind that a chan with coupla dozen, at most, ln/day would seem 'overspammed' to someone. whatever.
dpb: i am sure issue is made of me doing it because the thing i am advertising says that it will be hated by all who it is advertised to
asciilifeform: ftr dpb also supplied valuable service -- ddos magnet for asciilifeform's isp. passed test w/ flying colours.
dpb: you give me more credit than i am due. I have been a miserable failure for the republic. Thank you for allowing me to stick around and warn people
asciilifeform: eh hold yer chin higher, dpb
punkman: thimbronion: does your pest peer eat packets yet?
asciilifeform still lulling re kakobrekla, who came in strictly to trollolol, 'revealing' to asciilifeform 'who are the spammers'
punkman: "atheist's allergy"
punkman: used to afflict me as well, but I've grown more tolerant
asciilifeform: punkman: d00d seems allergic to the idea of believing in anyffin at all
asciilifeform: i guess believes in only his truck fulla dough.
asciilifeform: a++ while it lasts, i suppose.
busybot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 42958.75 USD
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.322s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.643s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.027s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702457 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
punkman: PestIRCD works, so far: 1k lines for IRCD, 1k lines for Pest
punkman: thinking it would be nice to make a #debug channel, which operator can join to see PestD debug info
PeterL: Can't you make whatever channels you want in it?
punkman: some ircv3 clients could also support putting hearsay/speaker/selfchain metadata in message-tags instead of message, and customize display to operator's liking https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-tags
punkman: in other ethlulz: "This morning someone using #Ethereum accidentally paid a $23.6 million transaction fee."
bonechewer: asciilifeform: possibly relevant to your interests, EE Journal describes new-ish old skool FPGAs from China
asciilifeform: bonechewer: 1 of these co's actually wrote to asciilifeform last yr, asked whether he'd agree to help design. but when asciilifeform discovered that they want asciilifeform to ~contribute money~ also, the conversation ended, there was nuffin to talk about, lol, after that
asciilifeform: bonechewer: btw 'gowin' and possibly some of the others are simply altera photoclones and don't have own design softs (much less open specs)
asciilifeform: afaik to this day the only open-spec fpga with even close to serious gate count remains lattice's ice40.
bonechewer: Sish. Surprising yet not, afterall, surprising.
asciilifeform: bonechewer: photoclone is relatively easy vs actually designing and, most importantly, baking toolchain
thimbronion: punkman: a version I have not released yet does eat 496 byte packets, yes.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059843 << which clients? dunthink any i've used have this feature. (or is it simply unused? how can test for this?)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 15:14:45 punkman: some ircv3 clients could also support putting hearsay/speaker/selfchain metadata in message-tags instead of message, and customize display to operator's liking https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-tags
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059839 << neato. implements whole draft already?!
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 15:03:36 punkman: PestIRCD works, so far: 1k lines for IRCD, 1k lines for Pest
asciilifeform re upstack, wonders whether anyone's ever encountered or even heard of a chinese software that weren't mswin shitware of the most abject kind...
asciilifeform: if they have an opensores 'world', it must exist wholly outside of white man's light cone
asciilifeform had the misfortune to decipher and attempt to use various chineseware for interfacing/firmwaring/etc their irons; would not care to repeat
asciilifeform sadly not knows cn, cannot comment in detail
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059855 << not yet, getting there
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 15:50:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059839 << neato. implements whole draft already?!
punkman: gotta rethink how I persist data to disk
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-25#1059602 It's unnecessarily repetitive. It should've been written using unrolled loops, instead. My version will be much nicer to audit and use.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-25 00:17:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-24#1059600 << what did you dislike in it, verisimilitude ? and in what way do you think you can improve on it ? thing has 1 job -- to carry out the algo in constant timespace, with 0 branching-or-indexing-on-seekrits. there's pretty much 1 and only 1 way to do it.
verisimilitude: For Ada it probably won't be worthwhile, but I don't see a reason why the encryption and decryption functions shouldn't be derived from one source of information, rather than both written manually.
verisimilitude: As for the message dpb sends to newcomers, it never particularly bothered me; it's not even once daily. I simply dislike yhwh is why I'd ever complain about it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: post; will read
thimbronion: punkman: I was gonna go with mysql.
thimbronion: er, sqlite
verisimilitude: I intend to offer an interface similar to what I've done with SHA. I'm wavering on whether I should include bit and octet functions, or simply require the word size to be used in all instances.
verisimilitude: My SHA design required the others, because they influenced message length calculation, but Serpent doesn't have this concern.
signpost also considers the uncynically religious one of the least offensive brands of ameritard.
signpost: and they do often have better immune systems against woke communism than alternatives.
signpost: I'd practically consider myself an atheist christian. much of my behavior comes out of that tradition.
signpost: I think dpb is quite wrong about god, but would for example trust that he'd adhere to a gpg contract. there are few of these.
signpost: (also, as historical experiments go, the godless human is still unproven. it hasn't been that long.)
punkman: godless human,aka, the "science" religion
signpost: yep, this modern atheist thing looks brittle.
signpost: and the god fiction might be just as important to large-scale coordination as the ego fiction is to the coherence of one human head.
punkman: if you organize/centralize religion too much, it starts looking funny. like any other bureaucracy I suppose
signpost: it makes me curious what decentralized religion may be.
signpost: the resurgence of psychedelics may bring novel cults.
punkman: started morning with big earthquake, aftershocks keep coming, quite the annoyance
punkman: probably a lot of praying today too
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dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 13:36:30 kakobrekla: if i buy 10 goats, can also link random penis enlargement pills erry day?
vex: hey bingoboingo
vex: I saw your hilarious vidya on bum scanners
vex: they're checking sewage plants here for virus in the kako
vex: illegal metabolites tec
vex: feels like it oughta be a dystopian comedy horror vulgarity motion picture
vex: bfto - yo ass is theirs