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(trilema) BingoBoingo: This was routinely a sub-10 minute affair in my part of old country. These people manage to form lines with half hour to several hour waits to stuff envelopes with either their chosen lists to vote or sliced deli meats to annul their vote
(trilema) ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 16:49:48 asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs.
(trilema) asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs.
(ossasepia) jfw: Because I have seen you hold people to the truth or getting to the root of matters, facing discomfort and doing what is needed. I perceive you to be highly effective in your own affairs, and enjoy the good esteem of MP who is likewise in his.
(ossasepia) asciilifeform: point being that kernels are sorta intimate affair, it's like putting on another person's eyeglasses, to use kernel conf unexamined.
(trilema) trinque: no startup is an every couple days affair. it's an every waking moment affair, and it redefines waking without your asking too.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: so no, i couldn't give less of a shit as things stand right now if ffa is "properly completed" or not ; nor if "more material" is made available as unqualified scribbles on trb code.
(trilema) ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:50 asciilifeform: himself 'studying ffa' , load it again into head !
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i do not know whether diana_coman is still taking people into her school, but for a ffa n00b it is imho a very desirable school.
(trilema) mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. << will do!
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in.
(trilema) mod6: I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: not 2012 ffas.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: a brief history of pizarro would be, that after a lot of me haranguing over how the republic will cease without isp, BingoBoingo volunteered to go somewhere. the whole affair was very open handed, with him given a budget and a task. he picked uy, went there, failed to do a number of specific things, which resulted in me pulling the plug and selling the thing off 10cents to the dollar or somesuch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ro was to at least host the fiatola-interface end of the affair (rather than machines) at that pt.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940483 << iirc last go around BingoBoingo found that asia has laffably narrow pipe to rest of planet. ( which makes a sort of sense, when's the last time you reached for a www on a vietnamese box ? chinese ? )
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 15:38:44 PeterL: asciilifeform: http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch19/ line 101 you could move the declare block above the begin, save one nesting level (kinda cosmetic, so I don't know if you want to change it?)
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:16:29 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:21:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: hoffa made out better than the entire pile-up of contemporary usgistani bureaucrats.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: possibly the most important human contribution to understanding of human affairs : the first, and the most important possible law is the one that interdicts valuation of human life. not in the sense of it being priceless, but in the sense of it being worthless.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 66FFA5A46B5E978FC493ED23C9F09595D69C7BE45162327D8B00B0AEC54F6543
(asciilifeform) PeterL: asciilifeform: http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch19/ line 101 you could move the declare block above the begin, save one nesting level (kinda cosmetic, so I don't know if you want to change it?)
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:26:36 asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
(trilema) asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: cryptography -- eat the ffa series; ( diana_coman btw is an escaped mathematician and has eaten the whole thing , can prolly answer q's re subj as well as asciilifeform can)
(ossasepia) whaack: asciilifeform: tyvm. will do re joining #asciilifeform and asking ffa related questions there.
(ossasepia) ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-22 19:26:24 diana_coman: shrysr: and once you finally get yourself on top of the current still-standing pile - ahem - of tasks, you'll get to see exactly how it's done properly for very long numbers that are not known upfront (and don't even fit in the standard types) - ie. asciilifeform's FFA
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and once you finally get yourself on top of the current still-standing pile - ahem - of tasks, you'll get to see exactly how it's done properly for very long numbers that are not known upfront (and don't even fit in the standard types) - ie. asciilifeform's FFA
(ossasepia) whaack_pura_vida: btw, I still plan to have my post re past/future work for the republic by the end of this Sunday. but I feel that it may not be as thorough as desired. My time sinks are: finding a place, surfing, and salt mines work. What would help is a list of entry ways into the republic. I know of http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ but i'm not sure whether i'm supposed to use that or just read it a
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-01 15:45:29 mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
(trilema) BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << Seriously that's a huge WTF. The army's materiel is a mix-and-match affair which means something in the pile is going to suit the desired epoch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
(trilema) ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:24:17 asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
(trilema) ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:24:17 asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
(trilema) asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
(ossasepia) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-12 11:59:16 PeterL: asciilifeform: I posted some sigs of ffa vpatches on my blog: http://peterl.xyz/2019/09/signatures-for-ffa/
(asciilifeform) PeterL: asciilifeform: I posted some sigs of ffa vpatches on my blog: http://peterl.xyz/2019/09/signatures-for-ffa/
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but anyways, seems the ~only contribution of the social media generation to world affairs is guaranteed lulz-"convictions" of ~any older male politician
(ossasepia) asciilifeform: shrysr: to see how hashes are used in gpg , see this passage in ffa ch.6 .
(trilema) asciilifeform: diana_coman: primarily -- the intrinsic difficulty of reading. reader is stuck parsing out the ast using bare hands. it is possible to make the work easier, and i tried e.g. here . but remains painful for most folx.
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:48:16 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu surveyed, and found that it was some laffably small #
(trilema) asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu surveyed, and found that it was some laffably small #
(ossasepia) BingoBoingo: Here in Uruguay the traffic isn't awful. There simply aren't any expressways. This means going 15 km from one side of the city to the other can be a 45 minute to 60 minute affair.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively
(trilema) asciilifeform: re that thrd, asciilifeform prolly will succumb to temptation to buy rubidium clock ( they're apparently laffably cheap, 100-200 bux or so, massive pile of surplus from gsm towers ) but this aint a solution as such, i aint about to ask ~erryone~ to buy one and build the 10mhz-to-pc-clock box for same. asciilifeform is simply tired of his own clocks drifting all over.
(trilema) asciilifeform: e.g. ffa/peh dun use threads at all.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ^ was actually the 1st nontrivial proggy asciilifeform wrote in ada, just prior to picking up ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from this pt i'ma follow the prescription mp gave during last 'wai slow' thrd -- leave it alone, there aint much to be done re to speed it up ( as imho conclusively showed that the pipe is to blame ). will move on to other matters ( import of historic logs ; fix of reported catastrophic bugs, incl. the resync of numeration mp asked for ; and then to get back to ffa ! )
(ossasepia) snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 21:33:52 shrysr: in to, but bargains are made, and even with the cognizance of the fraud you mentioned among people who make decisions (there are fewer still who would admit to it) - nothing much is done, the projects lumber on like listless buffaloes.
(ossasepia) shrysr: in to, but bargains are made, and even with the cognizance of the fraud you mentioned among people who make decisions (there are fewer still who would admit to it) - nothing much is done, the projects lumber on like listless buffaloes.
(ossasepia) asciilifeform: ditto e.g. 'M', ffa, etc.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: you're proposing to re-do all that to shave a second offa some webapp you misconfigured somewhere ? gimme a break, put 1/1000000 that much time into talking to internet randos about pizarro, get 1000000x the benefits.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa also, diana_coman posted buncha sigs )
(trilema) asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman already 1nce caught this and fixed, in ffa tree
(trilema) asciilifeform: i suspect the glue for pg alone (i.e. if pg disgorges eggog, to produce proper ada-compat. exception, rather than crash), not to mention utf8ism, would weigh like ten ffa's
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is the 'flip side of the medal' -- sometimes the given abstractions are not a good fit for $problem. picture e.g. attempt to ffa in commonlisp, where you'd have to bend over backwards to make sure you ~never~ cons
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: only nowadays, with ffa and eucrypt & rest of stuff as they are to provide a basis, im starting talk of things such as http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130709
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 17:53 asciilifeform: it is entirely unclear to asciilifeform what either 'oughta have done instead', other than 'go home to bottle'. whole affair walked on the very edge of the technological possibility of the time -- and arguably stepped right over the edge of what was commercially practical
(trilema) asciilifeform: it is entirely unclear to asciilifeform what either 'oughta have done instead', other than 'go home to bottle'. whole affair walked on the very edge of the technological possibility of the time -- and arguably stepped right over the edge of what was commercially practical
(trilema) asciilifeform: possibly the source of confusion for the drosophila was the fact of ffa series being tagged, among other strings, 'bitcoin' , lol
(trilema) asciilifeform: arguably ffa series is moar primarily a handbook of how to build proper 'wide' arithmetizer, than pc proggy.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 09:44 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, FFA is a gem.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: reading diana_coman 's executive summary really brings into focus the beauty of stan's ffa. fucking gem, what.
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: principal reason why i went awol from ffa to shit out this horror , was the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923477 burning q
(ossasepia) shrysr: diana_coman: okay.. I will redirect towards RSA and and go through FFA + EuCrypt.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as for pgp, better focus on understanding RSA because that's the part that stays, not the whole mess otherwise (see my EuCrypt series and asciilifeform's FFA)
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-07-18 14:29 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
(trilema) feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway for starters, here's the republican main code repository http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa&search= and an example of code view: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis.kv
(trilema) bvt: hello. I will try to finish the ffa work from the workplan over next two days. i had some meatspace interference that stole a few work hours.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in re ffa : ch20 and most of 21 written. but all of it paused atm , making detailed map/plan.
(trilema) asciilifeform: will genesis like civilized people when myself have a free hand (atm do not, still writing piece re what remains to be done in ffa and how long takes etc )
(trilema) bvt: hello. i have also prepared a work schedule document; however internet at my workplace died this week, will post the plan as soon as the internet goes back up; the plan for next two weeks is to get to ffa14b, update asm code to it; after that, i will have a look at some other work.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:48 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i had -- a laffably small bag o'coin, nao 2/3 spent.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 16:28 BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: you have been, systematically if ineffectually (though i'm sure it looks exactly the other way from inside) attempting to escape management. this is an unhealthy state of affairs, and one that bars you from meaningful interaction with other people.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
(trilema) asciilifeform: e.g. ffa , if counted from when asciilifeform first started the notebook and blew dust off knuth, is 3 y.o. nao.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-30 07:07 asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-15 19:08 asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
(trilema) asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa
(trilema) asciilifeform: in the flagship branch, it comes into play as base case when 8 or fewer words in multiplicand
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( possibly after ffa, we do a 'mips in 1 instruction a day' likbez series...? )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 18:45 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/unrolled-assembly-squaring/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Squaring for Ch. 12 FFA
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919631 << iirc i pasted 100+ drafts of various ffa moving parts, before genesised any
(trilema) feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/unrolled-assembly-squaring/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Squaring for Ch. 12 FFA
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, suppose fellow wants ffa. how does he pick the one he needs ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: both the mips and the x86 ffas pretend to ffa, do they ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: if tomorrow we have a ffa-for-pc and a ffa-for-mips alternative, there WILL BE AN IFDEF.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: all this said, i don't believe if someone wrote an ebuilds for say ffa they'd thereby degrade ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919279 << ftr i do not think it is waste. i expect that most 'realtime' applications (e.g. 'gossip') will want the asmistic ffa.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:41 bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
(trilema) bvt: after ffa I will have a look at other things (like ripping out kernel rng, having another look at gnat-arm64 internals, as it seems there is no ongoing work on this front atm). i expect to get something useful as a result, and maintain it in long term.
(trilema) bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919166 << trinque sweated out a draft cuntoo, which sadly i have not had chance to test in anger. i have a physical box that is destined for it , when get chance, and also will be porting it to the sim-mips, ditto. but i promised to mircea_popescu not to undertake any elaborate works until ffa suitable for 'discard gpg' and extension to other (gossipd, trbi, what else is waiting on it) paths
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 07:09 bvt: i do expect that 'saltmine season' is over now -- i've been working on asming karatsuba squaring (ffa ch.12b) over this week, post expected tomorrow.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: bvt, so what's your idea going forward anyway ? are you basically going to be doing some ffa as you fiat overlod permit now and again, so by the end of 2019 you can look at having completed chapter 22 or somesuch, and that'll have been it ?
(trilema) bvt: i do expect that 'saltmine season' is over now -- i've been working on asming karatsuba squaring (ffa ch.12b) over this week, post expected tomorrow.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i.e. ffa-style mux for the sim-branch clockwork.
(trilema) asciilifeform: stack is also statically allotted on warmup, a la ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
(trilema) BingoBoingo: !!v 3C5F4C2861B8577E645FF6179C6BFBC297E6802B23FFA36675E3E570B14E2E5F
(trilema) asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's various benchmarkisms (ffalogy etc) found, unsurprisingly, that just about all observed variation in measured performance among current decade of x86 irons, is almost entirely proportional to cache size.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ffa is much smaller , indeed, item than diana_coman's 3d lib dig
(trilema) diana_coman: on the bright side, ffa is such a contrast to euloran client to make digesting FFA a break in itself
(trilema) asciilifeform: mechanism, for thread-completeness.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included with bitcoin. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including,
(trilema) mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included with bitcoin. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including,
(trilema) mircea_popescu: specifically with peh, as distinct from ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mips specifically is compact enuff in its definition that one could write a demonstrably-inescapable sim for it. would weigh approx what peh (sans ffa) weighs, i suspect.
(trilema) asciilifeform: !A V[FFA Ver: ]#
(trilema) pehbot: asciilifeform: FFA Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FD
(trilema) asciilifeform: if i omitted anyone else's ffaisms, plox to lemme know. ( PeterL: your item will be in 19 )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916180 << direct or inverse proportion ? in e.g. ffa, the # of 'can be changed an' still work' is ~0
(trilema) BingoBoingo: The TRB 3-6 week sync (CPU and disk bound) is a strictly linear, no exceptions to verification affair
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914368 << consider ada. ( ffa series imho makes a decent ada tutorial, and so does diana_coman's series )
(trilema) asciilifeform to bed, has all of tomorrow calendared for ffaism, so really ought turn in nao
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing you already have skills he doesn't yet seem to have and for the other thing you constantly say it yourself that at times there is no juice left for ffa /similar.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914368 << consider ada. ( ffa series imho makes a decent ada tutorial, and so does diana_coman's series )
(trilema) asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: this sorta thing is almost universal afflication of young folx. i can see why you choked on ffa tho, it has literally no 'parts that can be safely skipped'
(trilema) asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: ever read ffa series ?
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: it's a very dubious state pf affairs!
(trilema) asciilifeform: amberglint: once i wrap up ffa, will proceed to bake a probe for the working machine, to get oscillogram of couple minutes of bootup/run
(trilema) lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1905113 << speaking of hands, pizarro, and hopping the fence: so what'd be the plan here? Get a republican hardware shop up and running in uruguay? Or perhaps have a second pair of hands on ground to help with pizarro affairs?
(trilema) asciilifeform: bvt: with straight (no asmisms) 64bit ffa, i found ~exactly 2x slower on x60 than on the 2393
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is trivially verifiable experimentally : build for 32bit ( 'MachineBitness' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch18/iron__ads.htm ) and get ~exactly 2x slower.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in the parlance of seymor cray et al, ffa is 'cpu-bound problem'
(trilema) asciilifeform: speed of ram, interestingly, has ~0 effect on ffa timing, given as the working set ~always fits in cache
(trilema) asciilifeform: imho you defo wouldn't want to ffa on a post-2013 amd, or any intels etc aha
(trilema) asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pre-barrett ffa , when rsaing, spends most of wallclock time in fz_mod , is all. which dun multiply. in 14+ , i fully expect 2-3x boost from asmism (possibly higher, with massage w/ magnifying glass for pipelineism etc )
(trilema) asciilifeform: i fully expect that the asmistic branch of ffa will be sewn out of bvt's item
(trilema) feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/05/unrolled-assembly-comba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Comba for Ch. 11 FFA
(trilema) BingoBoingo: !!v C8E14B987B3D874316C9CFD50D858671C0311C36071AC702B61CFFABB6BEF77A
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: i end up doing debugging of others affairs years later wth am i.
(trilema) spyked needs to grok this for a bit. otoh, finds the experiment worthwhile, but a. has 0 exp with politics (other than following to some degree the local affairs) and b. doesn't know how would the battle on two fronts (i.e. the social-democrats and the xtian socialists) would work strategically
(trilema) asciilifeform: i.e. an object moar resembling trinque's wot db than a http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental affair
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:04 mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:04 mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: this is a ridoinculous state of affairs ; as the wolf found sharpening his teeth told the inquiring mind, "i sharpen them now that i have no one to fight, because when i'll have someone to fight i won't have the time for it".
(trilema) asciilifeform: observe that (despite considerable sweat) asciilifeform was not even able to write ffa , on gnat, 'using only what is standard'
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is sorta the basic idea in e.g. ffa -- 'what's the simplest mechanism that will actually suffice'
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:06 asciilifeform would luvvv to read 'ffa-style' incarnation of such a work, where the chip is 'built up' from empty space in ~hour-long chunks. but prolly this won't exist until asciilifeform writes 1..
(trilema) asciilifeform would luvvv to read 'ffa-style' incarnation of such a work, where the chip is 'built up' from empty space in ~hour-long chunks. but prolly this won't exist until asciilifeform writes 1..
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: rarely seen state of affairs at us gun shops ; generally gun worth 3-500 selling for 1-2k. sks surely worth the 300.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: AND, with all the experience from ffa, you actually got what you need as a basis to actually make that megaspire work.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: alright, well, month's not bad -- by the time you're done with ffa you can start a mega-bolix series.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: how long you got till ffa series done ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: ffa text massage , mostly
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ?
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-18 22:27 asciilifeform: ( i'll add : imho, an 'ffa graduate' oughta be able to write own correct arithmetron in his asm of choice, in coupla weeks , if feels like it. )
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the text helps esp. in conveying your intention/focus as it were; it's true that one could understand FFA just with the code but that doesn't mean that the posts don't help.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( i'll add : imho, an 'ffa graduate' oughta be able to write own correct arithmetron in his asm of choice, in coupla weeks , if feels like it. )
(trilema) mod6: Well, fwiw, I'm trying to not load in any Cisms or other pantsuit liquidshit into my understanding of FFA. So when reading it, I'm trying to approach it somewhat like a babe. And I thought that I had it at least, mentally fitting in my head the way it is today.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i'll add, however, that ffa does not use byte-addressing or bit-addressing, if you were to build a machine where either is in whatever direction, and write a (standard-compliant) ada for it, ffa will work same way.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 20:20 asciilifeform: mod6 ^ + other ffa-eating folx, i suspect will find diana_coman's piece quite handy
(trilema) asciilifeform: diana_coman: what didja use to make the flow graph in http://ossasepia.com/2019/04/17/reading-notes-on-ffa-ch1-ch4/ ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: diana_coman: re 'Natural' type -- this is one of asciilifeform's persistent headaches -- the lang forces certain things to be indexed by 'Natural', and i optimized for minimal # of casts ( i fucking hate casts, and imho the fact that one cannot write a proggy ENTIRELY without'em, is a language bug )
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/04/17/reading-notes-on-ffa-ch1-ch4/#selection-219.321-219.445 << y'know, there isn't any harm in 'looking ahead in the textbook', when you feel like doing so
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/04/17/reading-notes-on-ffa-ch1-ch4/#selection-161.412-161.519 << measurable penalty. which is why the 'range-independent' thing is in some ops but not others. i headached over this extensively when 1st wrote.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mod6 ^ + other ffa-eating folx, i suspect will find diana_coman's piece quite handy
(trilema) asciilifeform: currently looks like bvt is the champ ffa eater.
(trilema) asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ?
(trilema) mod6: Did build keccak vtools on cuntoo, whole ffa tree verifies there. pressed just through chapter 1, did a gprbuild on that first chapter, no errors, works great.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ty for update, mod6 . re ffa -- dun hesitate to ask q if you found anyffin to be unclear
(trilema) mod6: Read through and digested the first chapter of ffa, just need to add my seal to your blog when I have a spare few minutes. Regarding the irc stuffs, I've one time, stood up a ircd-hybrid and connected it to a friends of the same as a "peer".
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 15:58 asciilifeform: ( i.e. one would have to put in mircea_popescu's specced exponent bitness where 'Bitness' is in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_modex__adb.htm#85_14 , to get the speedup )
(trilema) asciilifeform confronts the fact that he's prolly doomed to pen a ffa-style vlsi tutorial 1 day..
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: much like you'd break into alf's ffa and read some lines. same reason.
(trilema) asciilifeform: PeterL: at one time (long before i found out about mp's uni ad flyers) i put up some ads there; guess what result ? ( buncha grad students begging to have their homework done , and offering such laffably small bakshish that it was not worth for asciilifeform to even turn key in car )
(trilema) asciilifeform: asciilifeform would find it interesting to read the 1980s ada that's running on boeing etc. , but so far never found any leaked pieces thereof. would be interesting to see if resembles e.g. ffa style.
(trilema) asciilifeform: re config txt parsers, i dun grasp why it would need heapism, rather than simple http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L99 -style offsets into the read-only text
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( e.g. ffa, is none-endian )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 16:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re the 'guillotine neck vs mandible', if it ain't obvious, i'll spell it out ftr : bigendian nums look 'ffaistic' when hexdumped, i.e. correct . littleendian -- you gotta mentally flip'em.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( observe, earlier linked fg, ffa , distributed strictly as vpatches )
(trilema) BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 << FFA, the author asciilifeform is dealing with a fever, but he is usually around
(trilema) bvt: started pizarro isp (http://pizarroisp.net/), and wrote FFA crypto library, in case you wondered what 'FFA style' from my investigation report was: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3141 - vpatch + a write-up for helping fitting-in-head the code
(trilema) asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch18/ffa_calc__adb.htm << final ch18 ; still working on the accompanying text
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( for comparison, standard sovok sub reactor, somewhat larger affair, approx the size of mircea_popescu's bmw , was good for 20-30y of 300-400 MW )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: anyway, back to it : the large rocks are one thing, but if you drive over macadam say (which is not inconceivable here, and yes on a grade with hairpins, whynot) there's very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735165 sorta affair : for any arbitrary energy, you will get X many rocks per hour, or mile.
(trilema) asciilifeform: would be mighty great use case for hypothetical 'ffa cpu' (i.e. arithmetizer with wide bus)
(trilema) asciilifeform is almost surprised none of'em left comment in ffa series, 'bbbut didntcha read in schneier, you oughtnt homebrew crypto!11'
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( for n00bz -- prime gen parallelizes, obv., over as many cpu as you have. but ffa per se does not use threads, tho it can be run inside threads with no added headache )
(trilema) asciilifeform: fwiw 'speed of ffa' for applications involving modexp ( rsa keygen & enc/dec ) hinges ~entirely on speed of the multiplier unit in $iron .
(trilema) asciilifeform: i expect that as moar folx eat ffa, we will have moar empirical figs to compare.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ftr rk is effectively 2x, as measured, slower than this gauge box , on ffa.
(trilema) asciilifeform deliberately uses oldest opteron in the torture room as 'standard ffa gauge' , if wasn't obv.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( mine, used as ref for all ffa figs, is opteron 2393SE @ 3.1G )
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: timings sounds good to me; I have it on the list to get some timings for comparison when I get to eat full FFA, yes; atm though I can tell for sure that 10 minutes for generating key is both fine and rather fast even.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( when 1st started ffa, was quite ready to live with 'keygen takes hour+' ftr )
(trilema) asciilifeform: on current ffa ( i.e. no asmisms )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the place is quite ripe for it, on one hand lots and lots and lots of useless and idle youth, on the other hand large paper fortunes desperate for some protection. can very well get paid to "protect the household" while selling tickets to rape the wife, it's 100% a opera buffa sorta sittuation.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ffa_calc.adb : 1665 loc .
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( in fact ada per se has a fascism knob that, if set, prevents early return from subroutines . i have not thus far used, cuz in ffa per se this is already the case, nuffin gets to terminate early when 'constant time' algo )
(trilema) diana_coman: hello asciilifeform ; ftr I've been enjoying the pehbot demos but atm I don't have a lot of time to catch up faster with ffa, sadly.
(trilema) asciilifeform: oh ha, loox like peh/ffa are clean now ( the ln.1142 is a ~removal~ of uniturd from prev ch)
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-03-18 16:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ffa is 3 ch away from fieldable beta atm ; so in attempt to avoid ending up like mod6 , i'm currently 100% in it. afterwards will switch for a spell to 100% elbows in piz.
(trilema) asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : 'peh' has exactly 50 subroutines ( 37 procedures, 13 functions ) ; ffa : 245 ( 166 procedures , 79 functions ) .
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 15:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think 256 is perfectly defensible. should be obvious what knob to twiddle for less or more anyway, admitting either one's trying to make ffa fit into tiny embed or use it for who knows what unforeseen purpose on large machines.
(trilema) asciilifeform: asmism , i consider a luxury -- ffa is designed to operate reasonably quickly on commonplace iron without it.
(trilema) asciilifeform: if someone thinks he needs a ~number-theoretical~ knob that 1) is missing in current ffa 2) cannot be efficiently baked out of the primitives -- he had better speak up soon.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( to be pedantic -- peh. ffa proper , is imho done, unless a reader finds apeloyee-style 'here's where you could have 2x faster' thing )
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ffa is 3 ch away from fieldable beta atm ; so in attempt to avoid ending up like mod6 , i'm currently 100% in it. afterwards will switch for a spell to 100% elbows in piz.
(trilema) asciilifeform: picture if i had made ffa deal in 32bit words, and then proclaimed 'implement bignum on that'. do you imagine the result would be in any sense 'fits in head' ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( for n00bs/readers -- ffa has fully deterministic memory footprint, by design, and 100% of what it'll use, lives on the stack, e.g. under unixlikes, setbrk() is not invoked )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think 256 is perfectly defensible. should be obvious what knob to twiddle for less or more anyway, admitting either one's trying to make ffa fit into tiny embed or use it for who knows what unforeseen purpose on large machines.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( ffa does not deal directly in octets , the smallest access to storage is in unit of bus width. hence endianism-free )
(trilema) asciilifeform: i'd like to request 5min of mircea_popescu wearing papal regalia . ch17 ffa , as perhaps was clear from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902386 , has a control-transfer stack ( for loops & subroutines . ) it, like errything else, is nonheapistic, therefore has a fixed size. currently set to 256. this constant gotta be nailed down. is 256 enuff? too small? too big ?
(trilema) asciilifeform bbl, ffaisms then bed
(trilema) asciilifeform in the midst of ffalogical labyrynth but cannot resist to peek & eat thrd
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the incredible mismanagement of world affairs by revolutionary govt cost the russians stalingrad, quite plainly.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and incidentally! shouldn't you be ffaing or something ?
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
(trilema) trinque: !!v A2FFA044AC088C323C517A4B8D3C4DF846ADD8412F13C9BC53C8EA52248EC329
(trilema) asciilifeform: this is because a n-bit gcd (as appears in ch15 ffa) is simply 2n n-bit subtractions, 4n n-bit shifts, 2n n-bit muxes, plus some small change.
(trilema) asciilifeform: that being said, gcd is not the bottleneck of anyffin in ffa.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 02:44 mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/ffa-chapter-9-homework-comba-in-x86_64-assembly/#selection-15.295-19.176 << why this, specifically ? is there no ada asm calling method besides this ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently hands full restarting ffa conveyor; however will be ordering irons in next 2 wks, and scheduling flight when the items with least predictable shipment windows are in hand
(trilema) asciilifeform: i'ma detail, ftr : 'ffacalc' runs 'as fed', i.e. 1 command at a time. but 'peh' , adult version, has support for functions and loops, and therefore requires the 'tape' to exist in memory. so currently i have 'tape can be 1000000 bytes', but this is not acceptable obv. in the long term
(trilema) asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 'errything on stack' approach has its limits; it is why i wrote the mmap thing (currently stuck in limbo , but i'ma have to revive it and fix, cuz ffa 17 also is hitting against this wall, you can't expect to put 100MB on stack, you gotta mmap it
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 02:44 mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/ffa-chapter-9-homework-comba-in-x86_64-assembly/#selection-15.295-19.176 << why this, specifically ? is there no ada asm calling method besides this ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: ftr an 'iron ffa' cpu does not even require a massive multiplier . even a microcoded ffa-style thing that lets you specify 'and at memory x there is a w-word int, and at y a w word int, add'em' etc , would still massively win over the extant liquishit, it would do the arithm atomically, without invoking branchpredictor, losing cache, etc.
(trilema) asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform suspects that 99% of what can be won from asmism in ffa, can be had simply from bvt's existing 64bit mul, plus doing adc for the additions-with-carry instead of the manually-cranked carry calc, and that all 'fancy' instructions will only lead to sad
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