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mp_en_viaje: and for the hebrew speaking club, here's a little chortle : what's a mishmishtara ?
mp_en_viaje: it's an apricop!
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939005 << i can see the point of 'only man can be caring' in that letter, but tbh the 'cunts/prostate' one totally elides me.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 18:43:46 mp_en_viaje: meanwhike in pre-reich german : https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1980_3_4_reynolds.pdf
mp_en_viaje: bvt, im not proposing it makes any sense.
mp_en_viaje: item is just one of the lulziest bits of a huge bundle of historical evidence deeply inconvenient to the pantsuit socialists, because it quite clearly proves hitler's purported antisemitism as not merely a received idea, which didn't belong to him personally anymore than the notion that the string "sun" is how you describe the closest star belongs to you,
mp_en_viaje: but actually the normal idea for the time and place.
mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
bvt: ah so, this is clear from the letter (and iirc you pointed it out in some of the trilema articles)
mp_en_viaje: this i think they mostly renouned meanwhile (or stopped admitting publicly, or whatever, people are weird), and it's obviously fallacious. nevertheless, at the time it was social consensus, and therefore a very flimsy basis for either diagnosing insanity or "evil" in believers.
mp_en_viaje: at the time hitler was a struggling painter / vagabond / corporal 1st class, this guy was an aristocratic military commander, deeply respected socially.
bvt: germans are taught nowadays that they were all victims of evil nazis, and imprison anyone who was close enough to KZs back in the day, but at least older generation would still tell stories about their fathers when drunk (i have only second-hand recollections though)
mp_en_viaje: yes well
mp_en_viaje: it's not exactly clear to me what the fuck happened, to be honest. (then again i have a score of these wonderments, "why the hell did the sovok intelligentsia give up" was even aired a coupla times)
mp_en_viaje: but as factual matters : a) jews had lived for a long time in germany, and prospered there, and were throughout upstanding pillars of the community, unmistakably.
mp_en_viaje: b) at a personal and microsocial level, jews were very well inserted, and well respected. even the most rabid of the [retrospectively read as] "antisemites" of the period make distinctions (very much on the pattern of "all the cunts are whores except for mom" ; "all tjhe jews are vermin except for my bff shclomo")
mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
mp_en_viaje: that joke about canada, re how it could've had british bureaucracy and french cuisine and ended up with british cuisine, french bureaucracy is exactly about israel.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems to the actually competent scholar self-obvious that there's equivocation in the source material : that the autors speak of "jews" in the general ~deliberately~ and ~awaredly of the fact~ that it's a pars pro toto deal and they're specifically exclusing some if not most.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the retards idly posing as scholars's naive read would readily decide "misogyny!!!" if applied to trilema.
mp_en_viaje: much like the ~same retard's "science" model produces golf clubs out of whatever you feed it.
mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
mp_en_viaje: i guess we'll never know.
mp_en_viaje: but it sure as fuck wasn't some retard from passau.
mp_en_viaje: or, for that matter, even seemingly simpler questions : why the fuck would a man who was ~faslely~ accused of THE BAD by some schmuckturds barely perceptible above that chick from fizesu' gherlii who also had prior fucked up his boss for marrying a whore -- seriously now, I THOUGHT THE
mp_en_viaje: Y WERE ALL WHORES. i thought this ~because you literally said so in writing holy shit what the fcuk~
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless opt to not bring the army out and clear them off, but instead retire. he's an army fucking officer, from the prussian school, since when the fuck he opts to ~run away leaving enemy in possession~ instead of deploying ~superior force~!
mp_en_viaje: 1938 okh'd have worn for cock ornaments goering an' his merry band of drunks and societal rejects inside the week, what the fuck were all these people thinking ?!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939044 << looks rather hand-made. uruguay home metallurgy ftw!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:11:35 asciilifeform: err, BingoBoingo
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:13:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939057 << no fucking way, most of my arsenal in the 90s was .45 and .50. "wtf is this 9mm, what are you, a cop ?"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:17:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939063 << yup, entirely wouldn't change anything about it even today. .45 is perfectly fine for standard issue / crowd control, .50 in zirconium loadout is perfect for armored / hardened targets such as any moron self-centered enough to wear a vest, helicopters / "armored vehicles" in urban settings etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:19:26 asciilifeform: .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
mp_en_viaje disdains today as always disdained the negro / usigistani notions of "spray and pray" mac-10 is da shit nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: if you don't know who you're shooting at you don't have grounds to be shooting.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, any man's wrist will be stiff after emptying a desert eagle magazine" "dude, if you've emptied the magazine you're a war hero, wtf, you killed two platoons" "no you don't actually hit" "what ?" "you miss, see" "why the fuck are you shooting then ?!" "isn't that what you do ?" "yes dumbo, it's what i do. it's not what you do, get lost."
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:22:28 BingoBoingo: The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:30:51 asciilifeform: lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939096 << cuz it's a "large" (self-perceived, as always, an ysocialism will perceive itself as large much like every donkey will perceive its voice as melodious) failed (duh) socialism. it's what they do.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:41:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/VERxz/ea03d0cd7f309d68285653e8626362cd2ec2d46e.png << wtf, the verbiage to go with that is "He had a muscular body builder’s build and an attitude. His piercing brown eyes below dark bushy eyebrows and thick black mop of curly dark hair gave a clear message, “don’t mess with me.” He was quiet and intense with a masked sense of humor until provoked, and then watch out" ? wasn't my read at all.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile for the rotaku club, first serious mention of bitcoin on trilema.
diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939132 << h. göring famously had a j00 as general under him. for entire length of the war.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:09 mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-07 08:52:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939147 << indeed they were. they demonstratively pissed on the ban, not even from 'practical' but as a stotting .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:31:40 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939164 << indeed still open problem. if fella actually solves, will be major advance.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939123 << afaik they still believe.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 03:35:10 mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
asciilifeform has nfi how this belief formed, but suspects reason -- folx still die of heat in that shithole, fan or no fan, just like right here in usa
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:10:31 mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
asciilifeform: re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
asciilifeform: see also this old thrd. consider the most popular piece, the m16 & variants. popular specifically because comes apart into two dozen parts, for each of which there are 'ricer' aftermarket 'shit bolted to side!111' replacements, for fiddlers to fiddle with.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-21 13:37:11 asciilifeform: phun phakt: for every conceivable heresy re kalash, american 'ricers' will happily sell you an aftermarket kit , to idiotate to yer heart's delight
asciilifeform: invite an enthusiast for tea, he will tell you for two hours about titanium firing pins ( with 0 awareness of the metallurgy, of why is it that in sovok, where to this day ~monopoly on the metal, no one used ti firing pin? ) but with the deepest conviction.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939156 << this is imho an underappreciated good point. conscript dun need to be hit with rhinoceros round, he'll take any excuse to go to the rear
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:47:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lettuce not forget all of the non-standard caliber uppers available for M16/AR15 which will take it from .22 rimfire through some rimless straightwall .50 rounds with all manner of niche weird in between
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably one could write entire b00k on 'ricer hardware'. i.e. where enthusiast could (and often does) fill an entire lifetime of nights an' weekends with fiddling, and spend any amt of money, but will still end up with basically same thing, if 'heavy with shit stuck to the side'.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta how you can fiddle all you like with pc irons and will still end up with essentially same x86 box, with all the basic flaws, always
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There seems to be a racket where a loading with get a weird ricer name like .50 BEOWOLF or .300 BLACKOUT get some USG test firings and go on to market the round as things normally get marketed to jugalos,etc based on edgy/cool name
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: folx who mainly use the thing to hang on wall, naturally dun care if a shell costs 10 $ ea. or is sold in just 1 place in alabama or whatnot
BingoBoingo: In that case why not SKS? Durable thing that required machining, but otherwise perfect conscript rifle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc some of these oddball calibres aint even made industrially , like normal people do, but instead turned on a lathe ~individually~ from larger shells
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: conscripts, see, will use what's issued to'em. and in usa, that's whatever pads pockets of whatever 'favourite son' contractor.
BingoBoingo: AHA, or made small scale industrially from parent brass
asciilifeform: police, on other hand, get what's cheapest.
BingoBoingo suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'teach'em to aim' went out of style in vietnam era. why, is a q for experts, i'll leave it alone
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From the local news stories I read in old country police usually took what they were given or bought what they were told with money similarly given with strings
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in washingtonistan, police usually has the plastic austrian 'glock' or similar.
asciilifeform: 99% of'em never use it, so the 'less weight on belt' aspect appeals.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re aiming, per reports from cousins and their spawn still taught to aim. Just once they go from basic skills to small unit tactics they are taught in practice one guy in squad with .30 rifle should aim while rest make noise
asciilifeform: ( funnily , it appears that the normal recruiting pool for police -- burned-out iraq vets -- has dried up. nao they have booths at public markets, fairs, 'join the police dept! medical & dental!' )
BingoBoingo: Well, Iraq vets now are either old or "specials" herded into 20 year career
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in sovok, recruits also ceremonially 'taught to aim'. given traditional 3 rounds / yr . ~same result.
BingoBoingo: "designated marksman" iirc is the term of art they use for the setup.
asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor us army where 4 of 5 men in platoon can be gimps, and 'designated walksman' is the only 1 who's req'd to have working legs
BingoBoingo: Well standard setup seems to be 1 marksman, 1 autorifleman, maybe a mortarman, rest of squad on m-16 or other specialist support tole
asciilifeform: a++ full-employment scheme...
BingoBoingo: Seems cheaper to just count the parking extortionists as employed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they do! and, interestingly, army bases (already in early 2000s when asciilifeform worked inside 1) guarded ~100% by equiv. of mall cops, rather than uniformed folx (for whom they'd have to 'medical & dental'(tm)) , cheaper.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in an ongoing trend in local news, primary risk factor for getting mugged is swiftly becoming employment as police officer https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-delincuente-murio-y-un-policia-fue-herido-en-intento-de-rapina-uc731278
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I mean Uruguay style. Count em as employed entrepreneurs and sole proprietors
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is how asciilifeform was counted. and the other coolies. ~doubles the tax rate, and removes 'unemploy insurance' & other expenses for usg.
BingoBoingo: Charge em a fee to get their permit, count them as employed forever more without any particular follow up
asciilifeform: ( recall what was done to j. stack, wai he went flyin' )
BingoBoingo: aha
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
asciilifeform: small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939133 << the often-overlooked 'seekrit' is that 30-40% of these were exiles from sovok proper. and re-created it in miniature.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:51 mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939263 << aha, I recall the various small-town departments operating the highwayman model here in usgistan. Common tactic is for said towns along a major rural highway to drop the speed limit a few miles outside of town by about 40 mph, and post officer at the line.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-30 16:37:29 asciilifeform: small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
lobbes: But from what I hear, it is still "quota" based. Suggests still at dept. level versus per-person
asciilifeform: thrd re 'exact moment' for those interested .
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:21:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking moar of 'seize money straight from passing trucks' than 'speed ticket' but sure.
asciilifeform: ( the trouble with 'seize money', is that most usaschwitz inmates have ~none )
asciilifeform: err, wrong link above, oughta be there
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:16:29 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
lobbes: asciilifeform: yeah, many truckers also 'mortgage' said truck
mod6: Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here. I've left my 9-5 job!
asciilifeform: oh hey wb mod6
asciilifeform: mod6: blog about yer adventures !
asciilifeform will read
lobbes will also read
lobbes: congrats mod6
mod6: Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off. Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
asciilifeform: sounds a++
mod6: Overall though, big step in the right direction.
mod6: I've been running around last week or so, getting things in order. It's been kinda wild.
asciilifeform: mod6: maybe visit BingoBoingostan. springtime there.
mod6: Not much to even blog about at this point. I basically just showed up, handed in my laptop & sec badge. "I don't work here any more. kthxbye."
diana_coman: mod6: yay, sounds great actually
mod6: cheers, all! :]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed springtime here. Switch flipped exactly on calendar day this year
BingoBoingo: brb, stocking up on meat before the downpour resumes
BingoBoingo: Until the rains arrived today, people had been getting beach time in.
mod6: asciilifeform: I may have to find a time to go and check it out, ya. Not sure quite when, but yeah, will start thinking in earnest about it.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Anyways, I recommend some cathartic blogtime to help organize the things inside the headvault
mod6: werd BingoBoingo.
auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 161mn from bvt. Ending: 2019-10-01 11:55:34.297573 UTC (28 hours 17 mins)
diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-28#1938834 - I've just pressed the latest vpatch and tested this, comparing to the log-raw, eg. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/tape?istart=1937934&iend=1937941 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-28 14:13:23 asciilifeform: 'tape' knob i realized is unusable shortly after cut patch, it needs to be rewritten so as to give 'last N' , rather than using start/end index from the earlier raw-log knob
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't quite get what problem are you trying to solve with this tape knob?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: notion was, to make 1shot 'all chans' sync possible
asciilifeform: but now thinking it cannot be done cleanly and prolly oughta cut it out in next patch
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the example tape you linked , contains only #t, cuz indices are per-chan and no other chan has advanced to anywhere near 1937934
diana_coman: ahhh, now I see what you wanted ; but... how could it work across chans because even if "last N" , it's still rather meaningless
asciilifeform: right, as-written it's 100% useless
asciilifeform: and presently can't think of how could be made to work as intended. possibly sync will have to remain per-chan.
diana_coman: I don't quite think it's the right approach even, tbh
asciilifeform: it prolly isnt
asciilifeform: atm syncing 6 chans with bare hands is a 1st class bitch tho.
diana_coman: that much is true but this is not going to solve it; the raw log thing is fine and yes, on a per chan basis, one has to request from their own "latest index" to as much as it takes to end up with "nothing"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cut the stump out in next patch.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will snip out the other broken knob also (it needs rewrite from 0)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 11:06:56 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: makes sense.
asciilifeform: logotron is at the frustrating stage where the 'easy pieces' are in, and what remains is the gnarlier
asciilifeform: imho the most direly gaping hole is the support needed for importing era1 l0gz
asciilifeform: which requires a perma-solution to 'url problem'
asciilifeform: 1 possible pill is to make all log refs follow this form. but, ugly.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 23:24:27 asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/german-cops-raid-cyberbunker-over-claims-of-collaboration-with-child-pornographers-etc/ << Qntra -- German Cops Raid Cyberbunker Over Claims of Collaboration With Child Pornographers, etc
mp_en_viaje: uuund hallo bis wien!
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje !
mp_en_viaje: schogettentor
mp_en_viaje: vollstopfent!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939164 << well, i do meet the occasional cute japanese girl ; but yes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages!
BingoBoingo: Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939214 << actually, longer barrel exists chiefly for accuracy, not per se for speed afaik. the tradeoffs are friction/tear driven losses on one hand vs bullet stablization on other hand. speed/eenergy per se doesn't actualoly figure as such because very easy to fix / maximize / not even desired as max generally
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 11:28:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/30/peso-watch-september-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch September 2019
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a spiffy neutronographic (!) film study in '80s su to try an' determine ideal barrel. sadly cannot atm find on net
asciilifeform: showed even compression waves in the powder as it went off
BingoBoingo: It's been a while since I dove into it, but iirc longer barrel also pushes towards pickiness about matching rifling twist to bullet weight
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aha
mp_en_viaje: im no gunsmith here. but from what i recall from my notes from however many years ago, maximizing bullet energy is never a first order concern.
asciilifeform: ( only w/ neutrons, can take xray-like photo of barrel, bullet, and powder and have'em all show contrast in same photo )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very often folx dun give a damn re energy -- e.g. snub-nose revolver, or 'saw off', or traditional ru обрез , where compactness is king
mp_en_viaje: compactness, reliability, wear and tear minimization, bullet thumbling, all sorta this things
mp_en_viaje: if you're after max energy get a flamethrower.
BingoBoingo: Well, wound channel is king. Only really gotta have enough energy to break rather than follow shoulderblade of male members of target species.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: '90s ru type flamethrower. the traditional kind wastes buncha fuel in flight .
mp_en_viaje: aha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: cant resist to ask : when you shot the 'eagle', what kinda loads didja use ? according to the nitpicky critics, it gets fouled quickly unless fed fmj
mp_en_viaje: you never use that thing like the "critics" use it. yes, sure, it fouls lots at the range.
mp_en_viaje: very much a https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html type issue (which quote, incidentally, i notice is not on your http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 ?)
asciilifeform: i gotta bake a part2 to that thing
asciilifeform: 5-6 similarly great pieces didnt make it in
mp_en_viaje: aha
asciilifeform: while we're 'but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_'(tm)(r) -- i still wonder why that reagan-era rocket pistol thing never took off. seems just about idea from this pov.
mp_en_viaje: nah. the french had them too, kept trying to use them. they're fucking ridiculous, can CATCH the damn "rocket" in hand / parasol before it gets far enough to accelerate enough.
asciilifeform: oh hey loox like had thrd on item.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-17 14:05:28 asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
mp_en_viaje: nobody cares it can punch holes in concrete 100m away if it can't punch through leaf 3 cm from muzzle
asciilifeform: iirc it needed 2 metres to get to specced speed aha
mp_en_viaje: anyway. short of outright maniacs a la http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ there's no known uses for "empty magazines through DE"
asciilifeform: the americans iirc also had problems in making it go straight.
mp_en_viaje: and for THOSE people the solution is dufflebagfull of handguns, pick and choose.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho could have saved much weight / complexity in 'eagle' if it were bolt-operated. but tbf i never yet had to 'invert this matrix'
mp_en_viaje: i recall there were excellent reasons they didn;t do that, but i don;t now recall what.
asciilifeform: possibly tradition / marketing
mp_en_viaje: nah.
mp_en_viaje: excellent ~technical~ reasons
asciilifeform does not know.
asciilifeform: heavy-calibre rifles otoh to this day tend to be bolt-operated.
asciilifeform: e.g. that 'barrett'.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:32:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for the other barrett in ~all searchtrons, lol)
asciilifeform: dufflebagfull << sounds very 18th c, lol. a la blackbeard's 'brace o'pistols'...
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939222 << yes, well, you'll pardon me if i do not necessarily believe the man.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 11:35:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx runnin' the ovens, if their depositions are to be believed, believed, tho.
BingoBoingo: Insular group fucking over members of the outgroup tends to draw aggro and ovens if done indiscriminately
mp_en_viaje: yes. but historically the folks running the ovens don;t tend to be the brightest. compare with the rwandan genocide actual ambulatory butchers, aslo beleived all sorta beleifs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the textbook example at one pt was the armenians
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi re that either, but it seems to me the driver there was this : some guys (not ONLY turks, various arabs) decided that the only way to one-up history is to END the supply of armenian harem slavegirls.
mp_en_viaje: much like demented shepherd might one day decide to EAT the herd, so that he's the last in the line to have eaten mutton. "fuck all the rest of ya"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why would they want to nail the harem gurlz?
asciilifeform: hm.
mp_en_viaje: so nobody else can have anymore.
asciilifeform: a la der fuhrer's final order ?
mp_en_viaje: enough of this "thirteen generations ago lived the prettiest aysha, but now an even hotter one was born"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, a la historically recurrent "hey mr architect that's a great building. could you make a better one ?" "maybe" "hang him"
asciilifeform: ivan -- blinded. but why not.
asciilifeform: makes as much sense as the other theories .
mp_en_viaje: so they burned it all down.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. it's a theory.
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought the primo slavegurlz were the circassians tho
mp_en_viaje: yes, but in the period this ended up == armenian.
mp_en_viaje: branding issue.
mp_en_viaje: (the kardashian-like armenian is relatively recent phenomenon, much like the orc egyptians)
asciilifeform: entirely possib. osman empire was in full bore 'apres moi le deluge' mode , then
mp_en_viaje: aha
BingoBoingo: In local labor disputes, lottery worker strike: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Este-lunes-tampoco-habra-5-de-Oro-tras-una-nueva-medida-en-defensa-del-Nino-cantor--uc731313
mp_en_viaje: roflmao
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! let'em draw lots for pay.
mp_en_viaje: ikr!
mp_en_viaje: wtf work.
asciilifeform: pay in tickets.
BingoBoingo: Dispute isn't even over pay. It's a dispute over management's plan to stop inviting child/teen performers to sing during drawings.
BingoBoingo: Like the dispute Petrobras left over no involving pay, but management's ability to fire derps derping with loaded rifle in the workplace
BingoBoingo: USG also announced today they are opening a green card lottery round for the Uruguayos
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939230 << very commonly, to get community college paid.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 12:48:20 asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
mp_en_viaje has ran into oodlebunches of these "military" cunts, only overwhelmed demographically by waitresses and beauticians
mp_en_viaje: it's a safe army -> ccolege -> social worker sorta "careerwoman" path. will not starve.
mp_en_viaje: the gedbois usually end up in coward-lice afterwards instead of community fleas.
BingoBoingo: They also do that with the Airforce. Not so much with the Navy/Marines because hard to get social media access on the water.
mp_en_viaje: aha
BingoBoingo: Home town ~30 km from Air Mobility Command. So many chubby girls in uniform
mp_en_viaje: that's the sadness of it. even if they might've been worth enslaving as 16yos (on strict body considerations, obv nobody wants a 16yo brain), by the time they've chugged enough "chow" to take them to twenny-someting... it's mostly a lost battle.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939241 << the other problem with this "supressingfire" thing is that it... suppresses you, too.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:08:28 BingoBoingo: suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
mp_en_viaje: it's like "suppressing talking". it ~might~ not let other party think ; but it sure as fuck doesn;t let YOU think at all!
mp_en_viaje: anyway, afaik the number corssed 4mn at some point this decade
mp_en_viaje: prolly headed to nine digits.
BingoBoingo: Most recent counsin to enlist went Marines because that's what his dad did. In and out of special education alternative schools up until he signed the enlistment contract. Made it through basic/follow on training with honors. Presently hoping the don't keep him floating in boats half his contract like last counsin that went that route.
BingoBoingo: Turned out what the kid seems to have needed in his life was a higher quality of yelling.
mp_en_viaje: this is common.
BingoBoingo: And not sitting in chairs
mp_en_viaje: that;s a big one
mp_en_viaje: i dun recall if i recounted the story of "please, let me fix school fence"
BingoBoingo: That sounds like a new to me story
mp_en_viaje: lmao I WROTE THAT ?!
mp_en_viaje: holy shit that;'s an epic trilema piece.
mp_en_viaje: wool selling to sheep!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?
mp_en_viaje: im sure it's mentioned, just can't find now where
BingoBoingo: Ah
mp_en_viaje: "Una joven de 15 años murió como consecuencia de dos disparos."
mp_en_viaje: holy hell who kills 15yo females ?!
BingoBoingo: retards
mp_en_viaje: Tatiana Vanesa Díaz Severi. "El diagnosticó medico estableció que presentaba 2 orificios de arma de fuego sin salida, uno en fosa lumbar derecha y otro en mama izquierda."
mp_en_viaje: baby's dead... shot in the tit fo' a dolla'... who's gonna tell her momma'... who's gomna tell her wife...
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939262 << this is how rural police works already, and for awhile.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:21:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
BingoBoingo: From the comments section of that piece: "Manini y la reforma y se acaban los ñeris y todos los pichis disparando desde las motos. Bala y bala y chau problema. Que vuelvan los Falcon verdes." 37 upvotes, 14 downvotes
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939278 << how does it feel ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:50:53 mod6: Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here. I've left my 9-5 job!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i find it beyond ridiculous that none of these motorcyclist shooters ever get shot at / chased.
mp_en_viaje: not necessarily by 15yo girls, but i deem it terrible policy to let anyone who ever took a potshot at you live.
mp_en_viaje: how the fuck hard can they be to find anyway, send the muscle out to break arms until they're found. experimentaly not that many arms need to thus break
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:52:31 mod6: Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off. Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
BingoBoingo: When I first arrived it was a great national tragedy that "El Kiki" shot and killed a cashier girl over ~2000 pesos. Action/Reaction are still working themselves out here now that the rediscovery of violence has hit the Uruguayos.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939445 << iirc he was in the very bilge of a java mine. ( but lesse what says when wakes up )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:15:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Bringing back the "Ley de Duelos" in effect until 1992 is not an unpopular opinion in Uruguay.
BingoBoingo: The dueling law was killed as part of the 1990's "lets be a foreigner friendly place" push
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939447 << i recall seeing buncha cash van folx with polished chrome blunderbusses , but nfi whether these ever go off
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:18:31 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when was the most recent Officially registered duel in uruguayistan ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They go off occasionally, usually in Ciudad Vieja near the bank central branches or along Avenida Italia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: https://www.deseret.com/1990/2/27/18848505/uruguay-gives-ok-for-a-duel-to-the-death is 1990, might find more recent if I dig more
asciilifeform: pretty great
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the chrome blunderbusses were out there in like 2004, in costa rica, IN FRONT OF UNI CAMPUS
BingoBoingo: After leaving office Mujica began touting the virtues of dueling.
mp_en_viaje: i was like wtf, are you ppl nuts ? they were like... no ammo, no receiver part. just the barrel.
mp_en_viaje: "why the fuck ?" "dunno, uniform"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, what's to even guard there ?
mp_en_viaje: nfi, fucked student under tree to public acclaim.
mp_en_viaje: but they had the white shirt / black "bulletproof" vest & baseball cap uniform.
mp_en_viaje: so i guess it looked satisfyingly like the miami vice their antenna caught ?
BingoBoingo: White shirt black here is the Prosegur S.A. uniform
BingoBoingo: *black vest
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure it was in some made-for-tv 80s thing
mod6: hola, ya; java mine, was performance engineer.
BingoBoingo recalling the look in some Tom Clancey flicks
mp_en_viaje: mod6, well mazel tov, that couldv'e been good mentally.
mp_en_viaje: couldn't have been*
mod6: Thanks, mp_en_viaje! Yeah, it was rough.
mod6: Feels pretty good so far to be free of that. I don't think it's sunk in quite yet, but it will. :]
mp_en_viaje: cool.
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