a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 23:42 mircea_popescu: ault. this is what the mass-romanian is and does, nobody is needed to "do it to him", much like nobody's needed to drag shit into lelea saveta's cunt. she does it, by herself, every time she wipes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's installment of "how to fuck over internet scholars" : take the chunk popper attributes to kant ("I do not wish to hide the fact that I can only look with repugnance . . upon the puffed-up pretentiousness of all these volumes filled with wisdom, such as are fashionable nowadays. For I am fully satisfied that . . the accepted methods must endlessly increase these follies and blunders, and that even the com
mircea_popescu: plete annihilation of all these fanciful achievements could not possibly be as harmful as this fictitious science with its accursed fertility.") and have them source teh original german.
mircea_popescu: whole internet fulla references to a purely imaginary object, that ironically enough discusses... ITSELF.
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why sokal had ~0 measurable impact. duh.
mircea_popescu: was it the prolegomene ? no such wonder there. was it then the kritik, ~only book anyone can even name anyway ? mnope. WHAT COULD IT BE!!!
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902641 -> "noi ne facem ca muncim, ei se fac ca ne platesc" (we pretend we work, they pretend they pay us); so I'd say it was more the case that there were a few actually working and all the rest being clever; just like now in a different socialism.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: yes, romanians thought "theyt're working". they were playing, 9 cases out of 10.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:14 mircea_popescu: chicks wanted jeans, what. because miner garb is SO COOL OMG.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:31 mircea_popescu: i have doubts it'll survive the passing of the current generation, the girlies in the shop are utterly confused at proceedings that seem only natural to her and me, but what can you do.
diana_coman: ftr in my experience it's not only a lack of practical experience but literally, they have no real idea re what they are supposedly selling, it's all the same to them, what.
mircea_popescu: this "i could do work ~if i wanted to~" is the unconvincing bullshit spewing quite naturally out of any inept narcissist since before the invention of the word.
diana_coman: ah, it wasn't that they could do work, no; it was that they knew they did not it
mircea_popescu: in ACTUAL FACT, romanian worker of the 80s got ~120% the value of his labour, by an over-welfarist government, wrote himself hallucinated options to consider this "insufficient" to an entirely ridiculous standard, and proceeded from there with a web of lies.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, instead of saying "the party is ~exactly truthful~ in what we ~falsely~ call propaganda, and we are making here WAY the fuck more than we could anywhere else, and without it we'd be exactly like zaire", they came up with bs.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "ei se X, noi ne Y". it's very much the other way around : noi ne Z (=ne cacam pe noi), ei fac ce pot sa se prefaca ca de fapt nu.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, note that I worded it precisely in *that* order, starting with "noi ne" . I don't know what/who you are arguing there, lol.
mircea_popescu: well, not you, lol. just tryina put the implicit explicitly for the innocent reader.
mircea_popescu: the important part, to my eyes, is to underscore that the "being clever" was NOT, as the "clever" in question silently ie implicitly misrepresent, a case of "choice", ie, "seeing how little i get paid i react thusly". the "clever" in question was very much what such "clever" ever is : "seeing what a fucktard i am, this is what i could pretend is '''really''' going on to not have to confront it".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:56 spyked: diana_coman, I suspect this was mostly a case of "revision is well-received, but don't change anything"; which is why iliescu/fsn had so much support and average derp saw the taranisti as "way too mean" (no idea precisely what "mean" means, that's what I've been told)
mircea_popescu: fuck, the exact process is visible both among a subset of trilema commenters during the romanian years and superset of other-romanian-bloggers, then as now.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'm quite sure it's clearly visible in today's western socialism too.
diana_coman: not as if it's specific romanian this, sadly.
mircea_popescu: re the "cowboy stuff" : all the us "wild west" stuff is a cheap and quick daghuerotype after spanish traditions of the time. this is visible if one studies say the horse working (this is a term of art) as practiced in spanish-speaking lands comparatively to english-speaking lands. everything is visibly a model to scale, and to this day the cultural overwhelm of spanish lands in all fields related is overwhelming.
mircea_popescu: in ~this sense~ us cowboy started wearing ~a little~ denim as the west states textile industry developped. originally it was miner garb. then it was extended to make tent sheet for army. THEN it was taken by cowboy to replace the much more expensive LEATHER the spanish were wearing.
mircea_popescu: this said, the french (and somewhat italian, hence all their lolwesterns) 50s/60s "wild west" fixation did in fact produce an abstract (and not much related to any reality) euro-cowboy, sure.
mircea_popescu: aha. and french period mags for kids are fulla "indian-sympathy" pieces (the french had a very unique take to the gibbering nations among colonial powers, they wanted to make america a sorta africa, "continue traditions undisturbed")
mircea_popescu: who's to say it wouldn't have been better, tbh. note how the "equal to capitol" german colony they ended up ~is very much reverting~. they got the matriarchy back, they got the stupid-lazy-itsok back, hard to distinguish today's "american" from yesterday's cherokee.
mircea_popescu: the west states << obv i mean east states, penn, ny, mass & co
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:51 asciilifeform: !A .5:[Foo].3:[Bar].1-",_.1-",_
mircea_popescu: right, 256 bytes aka 1024 octets on 32 bit machines and 2048 octets in 64 bit machines.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think 256 is perfectly defensible. should be obvious what knob to twiddle for less or more anyway, admitting either one's trying to make ffa fit into tiny embed or use it for who knows what unforeseen purpose on large machines.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:51 asciilifeform: !A .5:[Foo].3:[Bar].1-",_.1-",_
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:52 asciilifeform: !A :[Ho];
mircea_popescu: well, thgat didn't last : "A custom field was removed from your nation as it was found to be in violation of site policy: animal: "Obama"
mircea_popescu: Please familiarize yourself with the site rules on acceptable content. Restoring a mod-deleted custom field may result in your nation's deletion."
mircea_popescu: imagine these fucktards! i can't call my imaginary nation's imaginary animal the same as that other imaginary nation's equally imaginary animal!
mircea_popescu: speakinbg of which, anyone remember the set of "anti-bitcoin" tards grouped around usg.pantsuit office over at "something awful" going about talking of "bit-coin" as fucking if that did something ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps time to start talking of copy-right and demo-cracy etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo my interest didn't survive the hour. turns out it's yet another by-morons for-morons thingee.
BingoBoingo: It gets my attention for about half an hour every few months.
BingoBoingo: The fallout from the decisions has degraded in sensibility over time.
BingoBoingo: In the limited time I do remember it exists, I simply try to drive up crime and weapon ownership per capita
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, since hydro was mentioned yest : one of the largest hydro development in europe is the "iron gates" complex, partnership between romania and serbia, taking advantage of danube.
mircea_popescu: the romanian side produces ~5.2 TWh per year. the serbian side, ~5.7 TWh.
mircea_popescu: whence the difference ? they're halves, aren't they ? here's the lulz : romania bought newer, nominally more efficient generating equipment.
mircea_popescu: it is down so much, overal productivity is nevertheless 10% lower.
mircea_popescu: (at the time this was completed, early 70s, it was pretty much the largest hydro plant in the world). hoover dam, for instance, had <2MW installed capacity, vs the >2MW here.
mircea_popescu: and this before we even discuss capacity factors (high drop like there necessarily has low capacity factors, low drop like here the opposite)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 13:20 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 15:28 mircea_popescu: well, thgat didn't last : "A custom field was removed from your nation as it was found to be in violation of site policy: animal: "Obama"
BingoBoingo: Well someone who wants a reich is easy to put on a USG.lolcow watchlist. Someone who identifies Obama as an animal risks getting sympathy from the folks employed reading USG watchlists.
BingoBoingo: Policeman White see fellow on Nazi watchlist "I've killed those fuckers in xBawks game", Policeman Brown sees fellow on Obama is an animal watchlist "I ought to buy the man a beer and compare notes"
mircea_popescu always answers comments (so will refrain from pointing this out on case by case basis) as well as sees new comments via feedbot rss (so there';s nothing gained by pointing one out to him)
mircea_popescu: in other obscura : meanwhile i located the clou of the issue. in april 1960, at cluj, gh gh dej stated the party recognizes the right of writers to express themselves "în limbajul epocii noastre" ("in the language of our times"). WHOLE fucking dispute is EXACTLY over whether the ro pantsuits get to the-dreamers or don't get to the-dreamers ; and protestations of unawareness and "vhs america" are suddewnly extrehehehehemely w
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking thing was whether they get to follow the other sheep down the precipice or have to sit in the rancho.
mircea_popescu: keks, empire still hard at work secreting imaginary effigies of the republic to "defeat" ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-31 06:24 asciilifeform: i always use the term 'calmed down' for these people. starting from having played 'half life', where there is a scene of an einsteinesque white coated figure who gets an alien 'headcrab' jump on his head. it takes roots, he struggles for a while, then 'calms down' and ambles on as zombie.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 17:47 mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ let me know if it satisfies.
mircea_popescu: made slightly mroe interesting by it having been written before rather than after linus went dumb.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm curious whether you're aware of Julian Jaynes. I'm not in a position to assign credit for who first said self-aware consciousness might not come naturally to humans, absent learning it from a parent at a critical age.
trinque: whoever said it first, the hypothesis rings true, that consciousness is an arrangement of language in the skull which is by no means human birthright.
BingoBoingo: I remember being 3 or 4 in the grocery store produce section and being struck with the awareness that my awareness is stuck in my head alone. That I couldn't bounce my awareness from head to head. There were some very Bush I era fat people and I very much wanted to will them stop eating for a few months.
mod6: Update here: Got the irc server built with the proper nick/topic lengths, also ratbox-services configured with the same. Finally got the ratbox-services to connect successfully to the server, but I'm still doing minor config changes there.
mod6: But looking good so far!