a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 00:55 Mocky: I'm going to finish moving my blog over to mpwp this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live. Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address to Doha derpchain gathering.
billymg: and i did pretty thorough local QAing before publishing, but having more testers would be great
mircea_popescu: billymg, if you're happy with it, one thing you could do is patch your testing suite as an alternate patch off mp-wp genesis ; this way people looking to test can just use it (and patch atop it if need be) rather than write from scratch.
mircea_popescu: same goes for whoever else has a good testing suite for whatever they're maintaining : publishing a "devel" branch, including testing and whatever else tooling in that vein is certainly a legitimate use of forking the v tree.
mircea_popescu: this way, someone looking to test presses to both heads and voila. it has the potential to significantly improve the quality of testing done, both in the sense of total and highwater mark.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (i kinda suspect BingoBoingo would do a lot better with a partner on the grounds, tbh) << I suspect similar
mircea_popescu: well in the meanwhile stop burning so much incense on the melancholy temple. idle hands an' all that!!
BingoBoingo: Well, walks are getting easier now that the wind and chill is clearing the locals off the riverwalk
mircea_popescu: it's started here, the wind. it'd be tornado level anywhere else, it freely moves the damned car on the highway, "what the fuck, is my direction shot what the fuck is this ?!" "just windy" "holy shit!"
BingoBoingo: The extremes were more extreme back on the plains of old country, but here the baseline level of air movement is quite a bit higher.
deedbot: grangerstranger voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: fwiw everything I published v-versioned has the tests included as a subdir with its own .gpr file and all that; I'm not sure a fork of the V-tree is really needed for this (i.e. deleting a whole dir is easier than maintaining a for as far as I see it atm).
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, word. it's more a thing for something like mp-wp, which is a sort of enduser app so to speak, than something like eucrypt that's basically a library, or in any case a building block intended for use in forging.
diana_coman: re grangerstranger it's really that those never talking actually are ghosts even if poked? what a surprise
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, there's a pronstarlet the naming reminds me of.
diana_coman: eh, what's to stop stealing internet names if images is too hard; but anyway.
diana_coman: "Dudes are out here going to the gym to only work out their arms and chest and constantly skip everything below their torso." aahaha
diana_coman: in fairness though,I'd say it's untrue: there's LOTS of dicking around so they...try!
mircea_popescu: easy enough to check, on the other side. but yes, chick's a cut above the usual dickowsy.
mircea_popescu: "My friends: We really need to start talking nicer to eachother 4 minutes later: You really are a stupid ass bitch"
mircea_popescu: it was a fleeting momentary thought! such as occurs in my box occasionally! i'm not proposing marriage over here!!1
grangerstranger: unfortunately i got named by friends and it just kinda stuck
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 17:49 mircea_popescu: grangerstranger, who the hell are you then ?
mircea_popescu: grangerstranger, what do you do for a living and why are you here would be decent starting points.
mircea_popescu: no markings are clear in modern democracy. it's written in the constitution : everyone is to be idemnified for all things they do not read.
BingoBoingo: ^ Pretty much the divide between Republic and the outside
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, so it takers a minute. current gpg takes as much, and ssh which doesn't is sucja cryptojoke as to not be worth the mention.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: timings sounds good to me; I have it on the list to get some timings for comparison when I get to eat full FFA, yes; atm though I can tell for sure that 10 minutes for generating key is both fine and rather fast even.
Mocky: billymg: if your tinymce patch is ready this weekend I'll test it with my setup.
Mocky: I may end up having a follow up vpatch for mpwp as well
BingoBoingo: ^ From Spreadsheets in Space to Field Exercises in Spreadsheets!
BingoBoingo: Seriousky, all that's left is shit and graft fulfilled with more shit
BingoBoingo: In still other news, US sheep herd hits an all time low.
mircea_popescu: but also afaik, it doesn't work with "and all same size"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's eg ~20mn carmichael numbers under 10^20
mircea_popescu: yes ; but by analogy i expect it's possible you have some m-r liars up to the large (4096 bit is a large number) numbers we're dealing wqith
mircea_popescu: the problem's converse : construct k integers that are false witnesses for the primality of the pq product.
mircea_popescu: ima have to dig this up, pretty sure i read up on this (very limited) mewthod of constructing m-r false witnesses for a two-primes product.
mircea_popescu: the principal problem with it was that they ended up large.
mircea_popescu: there is ~some~ overlap between carmichael and m-r (eg 1729 is a pretty reliable flase witness).
mircea_popescu: i just me4ant formally, p ^ n-1 = 1 vs p ^ (n-1)/2 = +-1
mircea_popescu: finding the nontrivial square roots of 1 modulo n is a hard problem ; but constructing some is not. anyway, not right now in the best form to go through archives but will see to this.
mircea_popescu: dood actually lists a 400 digit number to which ~300 items are strong liars
mircea_popescu: packed somewhere im sure, but im not gonna proceed extracting rightnao.
mircea_popescu: in more practical terms : about 1/4 of products of strong liars are also strong liars, which is another constructive direction.
mircea_popescu: ie, you don';t have to try "all", but do try all mutual products of all known carmichael numbers.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 23:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's eg ~20mn carmichael numbers under 10^20
mircea_popescu: but even taking a small selection among these to produce a sieve, and then churning a bunch of composites through it, might produce some lulz.
mircea_popescu: all of this is only interesting if enemy can set your witnesses, correct.
mircea_popescu: another piece of the puzzle is that while small numbers are ~perfect~ witnesses for up to a certain value, they become terrible witnesses thereupon, which is why small witnesses are useless in crypto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem with that 3/4 figure is that it's ~an average~ (obtained by a very trivial calculation). there's no known way to evaluate the statistical divergence over a finite set.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's likely that a set of 100% consecutive liars of arbitrary length can be found.
mircea_popescu: yes of numberline. definitely. but not of "x to y" interval for close x, y.
mircea_popescu: in any case, to get back to the previous line : afaik all m-r liars are also carmichael numbers.
mircea_popescu: small sets of small liars are trivially produced, eg 1 , 8 , 18 , 47 , 57 , 64 are liars for 5 * 13.
mircea_popescu: yeah ; more properly : there is a class of numbers that are both carmichael numbers and strong liars.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess what i'm tryingto say is that if i were looking to dig among the liar set i'd be mostly trying to guide it by the charmicael set.
trinque: hey folks, just a heads-up that castle trinque is running on batteries atm due to a blown transformer. wallet will be around while batteries last, after which we'll be awaiting the mains.
trinque: this is what I pictured, lol
mircea_popescu: well, ideally paired cages, for balance. it is pretty heavy machinery...
mircea_popescu: im totally gonna look into this. what's the big deal, a generator and some welding.
mircea_popescu: but gigantgic hamster wheel in dank cellar quite the pic.
mircea_popescu: trinque, as it happens i was gonna do a buncha small payments, but deedb ot not answering to !!withdraw ?
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with keeping a spare sat or radio connection. or both i guess
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's dead though, answers to eg !!key. mayhap something i'm fucking up syntax-wise.
mircea_popescu: the thing with subs is that failure means failure, there's no "oh, no brakes, stopped car in ditch".
mircea_popescu: ~everyone does this now ; im pretty sure soviets also did.
mircea_popescu: in truth, never actually looked into this too closely.
mircea_popescu: the engines won't go very far on it (in no small part because it';s almost never taken to ~water density, ie, 800 or so atmospheres) ; but there's still a lot of air that can be fit in some not-so-huge tanks.
mircea_popescu: afaik it's internally organized much like the "car battery" : a buncha half-liter cells inside a lined tank
mircea_popescu: all part of work to make silent subs ; even the exhaust gets bottled.
mircea_popescu: "say mp, who was your favourite american ?" "dora dufran"
trinque: mircea_popescu: away from keys atm (sought power) but oughta work now. lmk if not
