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feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/02/peso-watch-end-augustopen-september/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch: End August/Open September
spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
spyked: ircbot-handle-pong, that is.
spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933146 - np
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/macri-begins-implementing-capital-controls-as-foreign-currency-reserves-exhaust/ << Qntra -- Macri Begins Implementing Capital Controls As Foreign Currency Reserves Exhaust
BingoBoingo: ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.
mircea_popescu: keks
mircea_popescu: inb4 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ hurr durr v2.0
BingoBoingo: And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.
BingoBoingo: If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.
mircea_popescu: fucking ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: their metro is possibly the worst in the world.
mircea_popescu: belarus even has better.
mircea_popescu: nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare.
BingoBoingo: The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING
mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,
mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
mircea_popescu: it'
mircea_popescu: s just filth central.
BingoBoingo: The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.
mircea_popescu: it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.
mircea_popescu: also have pictures.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures!
mircea_popescu: the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, heh
mircea_popescu: i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.
BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
mircea_popescu: why don't they, anyway ?
BingoBoingo: Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"
mircea_popescu: meh
mircea_popescu: and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what.
mircea_popescu: eucalyptus
BingoBoingo: Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.
mircea_popescu: i can imagine why
BingoBoingo: Same reason they's insist on one across the river.
BingoBoingo: Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...
BingoBoingo: The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE!
mircea_popescu: keks
BingoBoingo: Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.
BingoBoingo: Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.
mircea_popescu: yep. blesfully argentines are self-limiting disease. like bed bugs.
BingoBoingo: And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ
feedbot: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec
mircea_popescu: a nice!
mircea_popescu: ^ example of ~20kb patch that's well justified.
mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
billymg: looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting
mircea_popescu: doing pretty well so far.
mircea_popescu: the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.
mircea_popescu: not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.
diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6
billymg: ah ty diana_coman
diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
mircea_popescu: lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time
mircea_popescu: within the minute anyways
mircea_popescu: 9:48 here both in any case.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking...
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform back from meat, ate log, nao -- various folx's ps0ts
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933213 << ty diana_coman ! i'ma put'em on my www tomorrow
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:33 diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
asciilifeform: there's a pretty large pile of broken []isms in the historic log
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
BingoBoingo: Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...
asciilifeform: it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined
BingoBoingo: 13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to.
BingoBoingo: Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
mircea_popescu: in fairness though, this should be fixed at client level.
mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line.
asciilifeform: 'xchat' in particular doesn't even prevent word frag
mircea_popescu: from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.
asciilifeform: (cuts on arbitrary char)
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933236 << like ye olde sovok exactly.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sovok had even odder thing -- taxis on propane
asciilifeform: ( where it's utterly batshit, given as can go maybe 200km on 1 fill )
mircea_popescu: world is fulla them today.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
trinque: lol damn
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
trinque: yes, but then, eh?
asciilifeform: then.
asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
mircea_popescu: yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass.
mircea_popescu: or was it "rough consensus"
asciilifeform: patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
asciilifeform: ( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. )
trinque: accidental complexity of irc plus accidental complexity of gtk or w/e, cum socks galore
asciilifeform: trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
trinque: really it's times, isn't it, not "plus"
asciilifeform: 'raised to power'
asciilifeform: ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or was it "rough consensus" << Sulphide rich consensus
asciilifeform: trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, i know.
asciilifeform: gtk itself is quite a... mass
asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast
asciilifeform: this tried also
asciilifeform: 2 different qt's ('3' and '4') even
asciilifeform: horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor
trinque: only one preprocessor, must be poor.
trinque: in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot
trinque: about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
asciilifeform: paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
trinque: people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
asciilifeform: !qs best machine is no machine
snsabot: 13 results for "best machine is no machine" in #trilema
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
auctionbot: Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find.
trinque: wew
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions
asciilifeform meanwhile found; was in era 1 .
asciilifeform brb:meat.
BingoBoingo: trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t01HD/?raw=true
trinque: ack
BingoBoingo: Let me know which one you pick
trinque: former, since it has worked before
trinque: BingoBoingo: bombs away
BingoBoingo: Aite
BingoBoingo: trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning
trinque: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9XkTR/?raw=true
trinque: possibru also present in your mail inbox
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty
BingoBoingo: But no, they never mail me
trinque: !!v 0CADCCC6AE836C361C46B7343E94B06C25DCE0C8D65ED700671A5A9637F91BDA
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.131 << for auction 1056
trinque: feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice trinque 14
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX5Bg/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!v B040F21B8626A94CFAD0A47EC17C066117959BFFF75215380BD3C89A1F052B40
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14
trinque: ty
BingoBoingo: np
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
asciilifeform: 'convertible ruble'!1111
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in aging and oxidation https://i.imgur.com/MR6r9hp.jpg
feedbot: http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine
trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.

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