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mircea_popescu: trinque ^
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asciilifeform: !#seen phf
a111: 2019-03-10 <phf> ksum right now works for any sized file, because it goes the b) route:
asciilifeform: d00d is serving on a sub or wat.
asciilifeform: hey phf! всплыть по рубку !
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html?
mircea_popescu: oh he's not even here is he.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "contending for the faith", amirite. that dood could afford to do useful work, but with the affordability comes idiocy, and so he hallucinates nonsensical options for himself. which he'll regret, like any wastrel lives to regret -- but what's the use of regrets, neither do they turn back time nor inform the new crop of youthful wastrels everflowing from the evercunt.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile this dood can't afford to do useful work. if you somehow merged them, you'd have something, but separate they waste separately.
mircea_popescu: and on in that vein -- that dood has absolutely no compunction spending all of his time talking to the lowest possible crop of nobody on a stick ; meanwhile mod6 wants to spend all his time doing the same thing over and over again -- a little whittling of soap under the covers.
mircea_popescu: be it called "foundation" or "pizarro" or "irc server" or anything the fuck you call it, it'd better not include talking to others, and that's such fundamentally intrinsic braindamage it ain't even getting looked at, let alone addressed. if you merged them, you'd have something again, but they're separate, and well... separately waste.
mircea_popescu: the whole impediment to the republic is this slack -- that guy over there has a wheel, this guy over here has an engine, if the wheel met engine you'd have something, however... as it is you have a rotting wheel and an idling engine.
mircea_popescu: one can throw away a good chunk of the domestic budget just dirtying all the pans, not quite enough material to make a meal but plenty enough to require a washing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform found himself in this exact position, hence took mircea_popescu's admonition and went to
a111: Logged on 2019-03-18 16:28 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ffa is 3 ch away from fieldable beta atm ; so in attempt to avoid ending up like mod6 , i'm currently 100% in it. afterwards will switch for a spell to 100% elbows in piz.
asciilifeform: in re which , #18 is in test phase.
asciilifeform wonders which is the most recent ch that anyone's had chance to read yet
asciilifeform: in the other dir -- asciilifeform is 100% current re diana_coman's worx
asciilifeform: tho i'ma have to do a magnifying glass walk of diana_coman's keccaks
mircea_popescu: the two versions came out equivalent in my testing
asciilifeform: ( but , recall, i gotta sew yet a new keccakator out of them, for fixed-time )
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is one of the largest fucking pleasures of working with republican material -- not ~only~ do you have to test an item against an ad-hoc test suite, but ~you can also test it against other known artefacts~. it's like wot for objects.)
asciilifeform: it's how all of industry worked, before the monkeys
asciilifeform: 'this is m3 screw' 'does it fit m3 nut i dug up from ww2'
mircea_popescu: a self-reinforcing body of humanata.
asciilifeform: e.g. modern parabellum round will work in yer ancestral ww1 parabellum. and the tolerance is, what, 0.1mm.
asciilifeform: ( much smaller than for screw )
asciilifeform: re standards & tests -- it still bothers asciilifeform that there aint a 'primary standard' for rng
asciilifeform: ( could proclaim 'fg' but that'd be a cheat imho , a primary standard oughta have entirely known characteristics, with 0 effect of component variation. but is this even possible for rng. )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, your comment sectyion ate my quotes, here's the original item :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you nuts or what ? can't have "rng with entirely known characteristics"
mircea_popescu: fg is exactly what diana_coman 's origina keccak was : the FIRST. obviously the 2nd suffers from only having 1 predecesor. but its sufferance is part of the solution : by the time 3rd rolls around there's 2, and so following.
mircea_popescu: much like the original lords had relatively little to check their work against, but by now there's a decent pile.
mircea_popescu: can much readily answer "am i a good lord or not really" now as compardd to 2014. and so it goes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realize it sounds like nuttery. but could have e.g. flat output rate irregardless of temperature ( theoretically achievable with radiodecay ) etc.
asciilifeform: there's room for a moar 'ideal' instrument.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: *regardless
mircea_popescu: amusinglyt enough, irregardless is bona fide english word.
BingoBoingo: It is indeedly
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danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, fixed
mircea_popescu: !!key lru
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: heh. came and went ; don't bother making a key for this handle, i'll negrate it.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 03:23 lru: no... still mostly watching for now
diana_coman: -> fwiw I read with pen and paper up to and including ch10, at next round of reading will sign them too; the euloran swamps where one step ahead uncovers 3 layers to fix before coming back to same position ate a lot of my time, that's all I can say.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 15:17 asciilifeform wonders which is the most recent ch that anyone's had chance to read yet
asciilifeform: neato diana_coman
diana_coman: wb phf!
phf: diana_coman: ty
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 23 hours, and 4 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz snarf ch17 : , ty
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 4 hours and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> hey! you've got both and pending.
asciilifeform: ohai phf !
phf: asciilifeform: was about to paste, also i'm not sure if you know but you have a handful of utf-8 vpatches
asciilifeform: phf: plox to say where
asciilifeform: ( at one pt i sat down to write a detector for unisadism, but never finished )
asciilifeform: i'd like to get the last uniturds out ( they creep in when paste in from www browser containing own pieces ! turns out. will also have to find out and kill whatever asciilifeform-wp piece is responsible. but not enuff free hands atm )
phf: asciilifeform: i investigated one of them before and it's stray unicode quotes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where the fuck are you pissing unicode quotes into your text!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most recent case i found was a 'minus' sign pasted in from ~own article~ . prior to that -- doublequotes in 'manifest', ditto
mircea_popescu: is your blog shenaniganizing ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure the coad formatter is !
mircea_popescu: gotta fix!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verily. until then, i've sworn off to paste anyffin from anywhere other than inside emacs, into same
diana_coman: phf: thanks!
asciilifeform: rly oughta write a cmdline 'lint' util, eats dir and checks that 7bitclean recursively inside.
mircea_popescu: easy to make : take file as is, hash, put file through force-8bit-unsetter, hash again. compare and report.
mircea_popescu: it's either identical or isn't.
asciilifeform: well even easier to walk bytes and see if 8th bit is 0 lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno about esier, but more productive, you get indices too.
asciilifeform: right, if not 0 you print pos
asciilifeform: i'ma do this prior to publishing 18
asciilifeform: it is outrageous that i still got 8th bits in'ere
asciilifeform: apologies to anyone whose toolchain choked on these, if indeed any
asciilifeform: nao that i think about it, this function prolly belongs in vdiff, i'ma bake a patch for it
phf: asciilifeform: some configuration of gnat refuses to compile utf source code, that's how i originally discovered it
asciilifeform: interesting ! i gotta find which, and add to .gpr ( still dun cure utfism in manifest/docs tho )
mircea_popescu: phf which ?
phf: mircea_popescu: trying to figure it out right now, i've realized that it might be useful
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i reckon you're rtight, vdiff should check and report.
phf: it's a bug in vdiff that it produces in this case a malformed vpatch, since we standardized on ascii only.
asciilifeform: rly it oughta halt with eggog if finds 8thbit
mircea_popescu: something like "The file a is not 7-bit clean. Bytes [line, offset]:content. Continue diffing ?"
diana_coman: I would very much like a no-unicode check patch for vdiff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no warn ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: warn also ok, so long as to stderr where operator will actually see it
asciilifeform: but ideally halt, cuz mircea_popescu did propose 'dun diff 8bitisms' and errybody did agree.
mircea_popescu: and willy nilly we run into the gnarl of idiocy that is posix. wtf is a "stderr".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 01:21 mircea_popescu: which is JUST AS BROKEN BY DESIGN. ctrl-d will end a file AND kill a terminal, but not touch a task. ctrl-c will kill n levels of task depth, as in her example, FOUR.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, there's no tools to be tolerant here, even if there were room for it ideologically. halt it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stderr is where eggogs go ( imho 1 of the few ~sane~ decisions of the unix people, to separate the streams so eggogs/warnings dun drown in normal output )
mircea_popescu: except when they don't, and so on.
asciilifeform: naturally they don't if author of proggy didn't remember to put'em there. (unix has 0 support for anything resembling sane eggogology aside from the separate stream, and yer stuck with if(!kernel_api_call()) {shit_pants()} etc in all cases )
mircea_popescu: i have little faith in the separation, and especially seeing how widespread &2> inanities are.
mircea_popescu: "different streams", one monitor, ambiguous keyboard focus, etc.
asciilifeform: widespread where ?
asciilifeform: aa in that they go to same tty
asciilifeform: fwiw peh is written from the start to support putting eggogology on separate physical device (e.g. lcd with red lamp) in embedded builds.
asciilifeform: oh ha, loox like peh/ffa are clean now ( the ln.1142 is a ~removal~ of uniturd from prev ch)
asciilifeform brb,teatime
diana_coman: ahaha, mircea_popescu starting from that look here what I've found, to answer with 2012's text
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:24 mircea_popescu: what is so wrong with saying "these people hate us, because we suck, how about we try something else instead of sucking even harder ???"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aha!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i actually edited latest trilema to ; but i confess it's unclear which is the cannonical name. should it be or ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: You around?
mod6: Hi there, Sir.
mod6: I've been doing a lot of thinking recently, going over our converstaion back from November 11th, other conversations as well. After taking that month or so off (was it 6 weeks?), I tried to ease myself back into TMSR~ related things, but I haven't been very successful.
mircea_popescu: why is that ?
mod6: This is hard, so I'm trying to put it all down here, so bear with me.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but if you want the conversation format this is the venue ; would you rather article-format ?
mod6: For whatever reason, I've been a bit off balance since February of '18 -- maybe just took some huge risks that didn't quite go my way. And since our discussion where I realized, as well as you wall, that I just don't have enough time to keep up in here; I think this is impacting my everything when it comes to TMSR.
mod6: (This is fine for the moment)
mod6: s/wall/all/
mod6: So anyway, I get ancy, trying to keep up, do helpful things, get out of the ditch, so to speak.
mod6: But everytime I try to climb, out I go right back in. I'm sort of, stuck in a nasty loop.
mircea_popescu: okay, but why do you think that is ?
mod6: Well, I think my lack of overall time to consume all things TMSR leaves me at a disadvantage. And I care about it very much, and I seem to just keep getting it wrong. I don't want to be a barrier or a problem. And I'm not sure when I'll have all the time that it takes, or the time that I desire.
mircea_popescu: why do you think the problem is time ?
mod6: I'd rather protect my rating, than be on the lordship list.
mod6: Because like we discussed before, some paraphrasing "man puts in 20% of time is 20% of a man".
mod6: Something of that nature.
mod6: And with all the other things that I've got going, I'm putting in like 10-20% per day, max.
mod6: This is pretty hard to keep up with, leaving me further and further behind.
mircea_popescu: are you interested in an alternative view ?
mod6: Sure, Sir.
mircea_popescu: the original point of the inquiry was to force the following dilemma upon you : "i, mod6 , have been doing some things, that didn't work so well. i took some time off, then i came back. when i came back, was i trying taking a new tack, or was i merely tuning in again, to see so to speak ?"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 22:46 mircea_popescu: why is that ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 15:05 mircea_popescu: shinohai your only available position here is "here is what i now understand to have been doing wrong, and shan't be fucking doing again, as exemplified by this excessively costly self sacrifice". not fucking "hey guise, buddy-buddy, are you gonna change to fit me in THIS time or do i come back whenever later try again".
mircea_popescu: did you take some time off to change, or did you give us some time off maybe we come to our senses ?
mircea_popescu: because it is perhaps the case that the point of that discussion (and, concidentally, the reason it discussed percents rather than scalars) was that dedication, rather than actual amounts, were at issue.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> did you take some time off to change, or did you give us some time off maybe we come to our senses ? << Very much the former, I'd like to think it's not my way to put my problems onto others or place blame onto others.
mod6: I'm pretty hard on myself, I'd like to think anyway.
mod6: And for what it's worth, during that time, and since, I've done a lot of reflection, trying to adjust myself to the republic. Being in a hurry all the time, lack of time, seems to make me not think through what I'm doing, or the bigger picture.
mircea_popescu: well, so what'd be the significant difference between "i ran a foundation doing no outreach by means of this publishing now and again on this obscure cvasi-blog" and "i aim to run an irc network doing no outreach by means of running this ircd here" ?
mod6: I mean, like duh, why would I have thought that making an irc-network was a good idea?
mircea_popescu: more/different code ?
mod6: I just started "doing things", as opposed to thinking about it properly.
mircea_popescu: but in terms of substance, rather than representation.
mod6: yeah, the irc-server thing was a good example. With the foundation, I feel like I very well executed what was in the charter. As far as the outreach, I think I had a hard time with that part.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to come the length of this circle : the point of the republic, as an intelectual construct, more generally than mere ideology, is that it'll slowly but surely ratchet into view any one participant's vulnerability. some people find this extremely interesting, perhaps as interesting as to fundamentally change the meaning of life, "i could never live without this".
mircea_popescu: some certainly do not. it's not THAT big of a deal ; but i also don't think time per se has anything whatever to do with it, or ever could.
mod6: heh, well, it could just be, as you said earlier, maybe I'm just braindamaged. lol, I probably am, I've been hit in the head enough.
mod6: But, I think you're right. The republic is getting harder to interface with.
mod6: it's not the old days of yore, and I've got to get better, I've got to improve.
mircea_popescu: to the concrete part : i don't expect your ratings are in any kind of danger, chiefly because i don't know that anyone expects anything specific of you as it is. the original "so take some time off" can still stand as such, and next april you can come off the lordship and all that.
mod6: But with a lack of serious time and focus, it's difficult to get there, right now anyway. I don't want to get neg-rated if think continue the same way for me this year.
mircea_popescu: unless you specifically wanna change your call over at and do it this year, which sure, why not.
mod6: Well, if you don't think it's any sort of problem to see if I can somehow get back on the right track with the republic, I'm willing to let it go at that, wait and see until next year.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why not.
mod6: I posted my response to your Lordship article before you made me realize about my retardation of the irc-server/network thing.
mod6: So, if I'd have waited I may have said something different.
mod6: Have you read The Foundation?
mircea_popescu: it's not "of the irc-server/network" thing. it's of specifically cutting off that whole discussion.
mircea_popescu: mod6 asimov's book ? yeah.
mod6: Yeah, I'm reading that book, finally.
mod6: I'm starting to make some sense of what "a stanford" means (when you say it).
mod6: Not that it's all very related, but I can draw some similarities between The Foundation, and what The Bitcoin Foundation ~should~ be.
mod6: Perhaps, anyway.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's kinda like dune, a lengthy series
mircea_popescu: mostly cvasi-nonfiction, "here's new paint on arab conflict" etc.
mod6: That's on my list, too.
mod6: You've got a vision, sometimes for me to see it, takes some thinking, some reading. I'm kinda slow, but I tend to get there with time.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, sure, "dark age minimization" is a legitimate way to look at republic (though not necessarily at foundation) from a historian-of-culture perspevtive.
mircea_popescu: the foundation as such would have been, in its functional extension, a sort of secular -- exactly like a foundation works, get people to give you money, build a golf course, that sort of anchoring.
mod6: The book is starting to help me, strange as it might seem, to see how all of this might go.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the correct way to get one of those is to press into service a 60yo lawyer rather than a 30yo computer guy. but in the early stages of bitcoin there was an all-pervasive notion that "we can do anything just because we wanna, we got the range, and the machinery for change, we're uprooting banks and governments and everything in path!!!"
mircea_popescu: so it didn't seem, to period mp, that far fetched a notion.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: (in fact, for the sake of transparency, the idea i quoted on dpb's blog, from 2016, came exactly as a "hmm, i wonder why foundation is stuck, could alternative path be explored maybe ?".)
mod6: I'm gonna keep reading, I'm about 60% of the way through the trilogy.
mod6: Ahh.
mod6: Well, when I'm done, I'd like to discuss it more with you.
mircea_popescu: if anyone recalls, at that time the intended republic-sponsored kegger party at the site of some anti-usg rebellion died over portland's apparent failure to produce beer & sluts under ben_vulpes 's direction.
mod6: I think with some steering, maybe we can get this thing back on track.
mod6: aah, yah.
mircea_popescu: perfect opportunity to invent a whole new "fest". but -- need the seed.
mircea_popescu: so the obvious idea was, "well, produce the seed, ready for next time".
mod6: Well, maybe this is good. Nice little chat about all of this.
mod6: It gives me a bit to chew on here.
mod6: Yeah, thanks for your input.
mod6: I've been working, in the recent few days since "irc-server!!1", on just shaving the yak of my cuntoo-kernel.
mod6: Which, to trinque's point, the tool that really helps (I had forgotton about this) is the `make menuconfig` search.
mod6: Anyway, it's not done being shaved just yet. But I'm getting there. So that's what I've been doing last few days.
mod6: I gotta step away for now, but I appreciate it. We'll keep discussing this stuff. Maybe that's 50% of my problem, not enough chats.
mircea_popescu: possibru!
mircea_popescu: in other quite abstract lulz : there apparently exists a "cryptocurrency payment processor" (aka, ) that takes one of "Horizen", "Tron" or "VERGE".
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck, alien parallel realities.
shinohai: lol I thought VERGE got rekt already. (Got added to pr0n sites, no one bothered to use)
mircea_popescu: i dunno any of them are alive in any sense.
shinohai was given ~$100 worth that was immediately traded for BTC on cryptopia
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in pronz, << "Nutaku Publishing is offering $10,000,000 to fund the growth of the adult game development community"
mircea_popescu: remarkably how little press these guys get, considering how much traffic they buy.
hanbot: btw trinque anything grab you re the patchlessness/lack of portage dir in ?
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