lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
lobbes: I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.
mircea_popescu: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
diana_coman: no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
diana_coman: !!key thimbronion
mircea_popescu: aand diana_coman 's comment yielded a first error fix!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:58:07 BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 18:16:33 BingoBoingo: Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
mircea_popescu: shithead producers.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ah yeah, noody;s proposing you must introduce voice in your own castle.
mircea_popescu: or is the idea that you'd like to have the voice model more flexible, so when a castle owner is specified for a new castle, deedbot also takes specification of voice threshold ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
mircea_popescu: i think this last bit is kinda stupid, tbh.
diana_coman: and wtf am I going to do, police it?
diana_coman: possibly it's an entirely unrelated matter
mircea_popescu: in extremis yes you could promote a knight or two in that role, if you wish ; but if not, and you want to implement the trilema style voice model instead : why do you want ratings other than 9 to be voiced ?
mircea_popescu: you conceive having a knight rated 8 and a different layer of knight rated 9 ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
mircea_popescu: how the hell do i know what you want.
mircea_popescu: conceivably you might want it because your castle's so immense, you can't take the whole firehose.
mircea_popescu: suppose in ten years you're actually running uk's main college. #o will now be open to all "concerned parents" ?
diana_coman: that is also perfectly valid yes; hollyhell.
mircea_popescu: oxford never was ; why should ossasepia be.
diana_coman: oh boy, "concerned parents" and tzatzele la poarta what next
mircea_popescu: ikr.
diana_coman: I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
mircea_popescu: i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
diana_coman: that actually makes full sense, indeed.
diana_coman: so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
mircea_popescu: aaand logs not loading. lessee here.
diana_coman: o.O which logs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yup, confirmed : pizarroisp.net loads in half second ; nosuchlabs does not load.
mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
diana_coman pats ossabot
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936276 << fucking typical retardation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:05:19 asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
mircea_popescu: for historical lulz : /me actually put the kaibosh on a romanian wanna-be news outlet back in the day for exactly this sorta misbehaviour.
mircea_popescu: was part and parcel of ye epic http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)
mircea_popescu: did anyone else ever write a play like that ?
mircea_popescu: it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.
mircea_popescu: like 90% or so by mass is exact quotation.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936283 << wait, what ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:45:42 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936287 << hey, me too!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936293 << i have no firm idea as of yet ; but i'm inclined to think it'd be too many moving parts, and deleterious thereby.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:50:55 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
mircea_popescu: not because it'd be hard to implement, but because it creates a "decision slot" in the minds where there needn't be one.
mircea_popescu: all of inca exists because of the false decision slot "between" coke and pepsi, dominos and pizza hut etc. the only way to fix the current us is forbid this false choice, force them to receive randomly items in the respective undiferentiable classes.
mircea_popescu: with the mental energy thus freed, they'd prolly burn the shit down.
mircea_popescu: hence my example with the "booting" knife that runs a .jar to ask you via gui "which side should be sharp this session"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936289 << not to mention create sane basis for taxation! "you are to produce one lordable knight by next year!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:49:08 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
mircea_popescu: (this being, contrary to ulterior protestant misrepresentations, the only meaning of taxation in middle ages : "produce some normal heatlhy unsick unfucked in the head humans!!! we're going to france!!!"
mircea_popescu: then the stupid cunts "became nonviolent" and it all went straight to hell.)
diana_coman: uaaa, my comment is awaiting moderation
mircea_popescu: fixt
diana_coman: ty
mircea_popescu: answer't as well.
mircea_popescu: and let me say that i really enjoy the sort of problems i am having these days.
diana_coman: I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936305 << in my defense, i spent my 20s (in consensus with the peers of the time and place) that i ain't making no 30.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:59:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
mircea_popescu: now, apparently this is common, however the peerage of the time was quite unlike portland's finest [http://t
mircea_popescu: rilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/][purple hair].
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:05:51 asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
mircea_popescu: if have to get aluminium parts connected and don't have weld shield gas, the solution is riveting not welding.
mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:15:26 trinque: go go gadget wget -r
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936354 << or rather, read the last trilema.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936358 << wasn;t complaining. besides, by now i think avg trilema article does 12+ tracjabacjs,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:20 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
mircea_popescu: it;s a growth, what can you do.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
mircea_popescu: make your own decisions on correctly established measurements is the whole of the law.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936362 << so give the woman the log
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
mircea_popescu: transparently idle pretense to primacy among mankind.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936364 << to drive everyone up the wall : my degree was actually ~2-3k a year ; an' i'm pretty sure i made more during a brief foray in teaching there (while still a student!) than the whole thing cost. AND said degree includes (besides philosophy an' socilology) ALSO JOURNALISM
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:52:21 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
mircea_popescu: I GOT IT ALL!!!
mircea_popescu: ah, ye lovely 90s, why have ye gone away.
mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other keks, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-07-16#1685102
snsabot: Logged on 2017-07-16 16:54:44 whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342 - what's there to regret really? less direct support (because not needed since lord) + some additional responsibility on top of and added to sorting yourself out or what exactly?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
mircea_popescu: coolness.
diana_coman gets the buckets of ice ready
diana_coman: plenty of proper cool :D
mircea_popescu: "why do parents mourn when a retarded son is born ? verily he'll have the easiest life of all their offspring"
mircea_popescu: "why do constituencies regret when their representative teams are eliminated during tournament events ? they should rejoice, their team has to do the least work!"
diana_coman: well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
mircea_popescu: stoicism is one thing, but cynicism another. can't really mix the two!
mircea_popescu: i had the opposite impression.
mircea_popescu: if this were the concern, pretty sure orphanages still take undesired children.
mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
diana_coman: possibly orphanages take but that's just shifting to a different sort of "hard"
diana_coman: not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
diana_coman: when "can't cope anymore" or similar
diana_coman: anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
mircea_popescu: but of course.
diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936435 << realized this shortly after asked.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:23:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936438 << prolly mircea_popescu was thinking of zinc (as in sovok coffin), rather than the cast shitmetal 'zamac' . but mno, these in fact need good mechanical strength and -- even moar vitally -- good thermals
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:25:10 mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:37 asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936402 << pretty sure i found the culprit ( phuctor ) , i'ma make it weekly again.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:17:08 mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 30d 0h 48m
asciilifeform: i'ma roll out bvt's bot patch in coming days. (when errybody's asleep, ideally)
asciilifeform wonders whether any bot previously went for 30d w/out stop
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936381 << spamola, i suspect, is a 'when', rather than an 'if'.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:03:16 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936439 << aa, but ameritards are, well, tards. to date found that it is 100% of the time cheaper to actually buy surplus instrument. sounds insane, but there it is.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:26:34 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:23:03 asciilifeform: recall : the xray best-quote of 5 firms was : 2700 orcdubloons PER SHOT
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and diseased'(tm)(r)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:42:25 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:46:39 mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936478 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-13#1813003
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 09:05:57 mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936479 << that's mostly what it is used for ! exactly like 'pound detonator into own boot' in gulag. tlp documented subj to death.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 09:06:54 mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
asciilifeform: re noble gasses, asciilifeform found, somewhat surprisingly, that 1k cubolitres of argon cost only ~100bux. and that there's moar shops where sold, here, than where proper milk...
asciilifeform finally eaten log! bbl:teatime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, zamac is precisely that, industrial zinc alloys
mircea_popescu: zn-al or zn-cu w/e
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:27:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
mircea_popescu: #best-teenage-years
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936511 aka "life's good without a leg : the balls don't rub and there's no need for another boot"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:28:32 snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: als owhat the fuck is a cubolitre!
mircea_popescu: nine-dimensional hypercubic decimetres ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zn-al typically. ( why ? it injection-molds, like plastic )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, cuboliter, asciilifeform was posting b4tea!111
asciilifeform: ( liter, at stp, of course , is what it was to be )
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-celebrities-and-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Celebrities and Narcissism. Adnotated.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936368 << Fella who walked in and wanted web hosting
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 05:43:16 mircea_popescu: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936518 << asciilifeform also, but to do this had to live in the barracks
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:41:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936373 << Girls apparently have things to do over the three day span. Either that or stripping the boys down is how they imagine they avoid getting #wetoo'd
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:00:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << Seriously that's a huge WTF. The army's materiel is a mix-and-match affair which means something in the pile is going to suit the desired epoch.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936498 << Leasing Army base would have been much cheaper. Instead they leased the city's main square, took out everything green or movable, and then chroma-key'd the palms and the base of the Masoleum of Jose Artigas. They are filming in the country's principal political location and dressing it as somewhere else.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
BingoBoingo: Probably would have made more sense to film at the Punta Carretas Shopping & Prison
BingoBoingo: There's also confusion with different sources claiming the rent being paid for the plaza is millions of pesos Uruguayos or millions of pesos NorteAmericanos.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the naked folks are making 1500 pesos (~45 USD) a day. Which, considering the bulk of jobs in the local economy pay ~20,000 pesos a month with 44 hours workweeks... seems a bit generous.
lobbes eats log
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936449 << this makes sense. I guess was simply stating my reasonings for decision in the logs. But to your point I ought to start looking more at established and measurable facts than imagined feels
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << I ofc can't find the log reference in o(1) time, but I remember you stating that the wisdom for wealth building is *spending less* rather than the converse. Maybe I'm missing the point tho
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than puttin
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
lobbes: s/per month/per year
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
lobbes: OR would you prefer the whole thing at once?
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/5L8Cb << Local media on the invasion
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
lobbes: diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
diana_coman: sounds way better indeed.
lobbes: ty as always for helping me to detangle my brain
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice
lobbes: http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
BingoBoingo: The breaking and not breaking of balls is an important concept here.
mircea_popescu: all the bots!!!
mircea_popescu: it's a botflurry
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, lobbes diana_coman ^
mircea_popescu: who else got loggers up ?
lobbes: I think that is it for people running Stan loggers
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:40:55 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
mircea_popescu: no guarantee ima spot test tho.
lobbes: kk
lobbes: roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces
lobbes will also cease quoting from other chans into #t
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936572 << not an issue. I got this. I always figure it out eventually
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:59:05 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
mircea_popescu: you can quote, but put a header.
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 121mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
auctionbot: Buy order # 1059 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 121mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-16 18:40:30.513019 UTC (30 hours)
hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:46:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-charlie-sheen-has-an-awesome-experience-this-time-with-drugs-and-a-hooker-which-was-the-same-as-last-time-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Charlie Sheen Has An Awesome Experience, This Time With Drugs and A Hooker, Which Was The Same As Last Time. Adnotated.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:45:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
asciilifeform: graphical browsers tell you url when hovering, but e.g. lynx does not, prolly explains why mircea_popescu went grr
asciilifeform: will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. cross_post=asciilifeform,...,..., )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, spyked , lobbes , BingoBoingo , lemme know if you want yours in that list .
asciilifeform: ( and mircea_popescu , say if you want yours excluded, or alternatively prefix '[chan] Logged on xxxx-xx-xx.... foo' etc. )
asciilifeform: this prolly won't go in until end of week, all changes to bot are to be tested to death before rollout.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936574 << iirc lobbes said that he had it on credit, rather than owned. (but can't find in log, so maybe i dreamed it)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
lobbes: ^ this is correct. It is a liability right now, not an asset as far as I'm concerned
asciilifeform: iirc the way these typically work in usa, is that 'buyer' spends decade+ paying just the interest
asciilifeform: (i.e. when 'sells', gets 0)
lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
lobbes: i.e. I have a long road ahead of me out of poorandstupid-town
asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's prev. landlord did errything short of begging on knees, 'pleez dun go'
asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
lobbes: oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
asciilifeform: him:'usually i have to redo the drywall when folx leave, but yours is perfect, how?' a: (holding tin of spackle behind back) 'by magic'
asciilifeform: lobbes: 'normal people tenant' is apparently vehehery interesting concept in this part of world
lobbes: but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
lobbes: which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
asciilifeform: asciilifeform to current landlord (another ru d00d) : 'you can keep the weather station tower when i go, i won't need it where i'll go'
asciilifeform: lobbes: the 'organized' co.'s are 100% poison, avoid'em if at all possible in usa
asciilifeform: lobbes: i found out that in many locales in tardschwitz, incl. this 1, tenants 'have rights'(tm)(r) and can take yr+ to extract one if he stops paying... and that this happens regularly
asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
lobbes: insanity. "cannot own" in US verily
asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
asciilifeform: ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-2/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 2