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snsabot: Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936681 << this is excellent fucking advice, as always.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:53:54 mircea_popescu: NEGOTIABLE.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936713 << heh, uhm, on my 7th or so cycle of this... bad at even pimping over here!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 06:51:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
trinque: asciilifeform: per exactly that.
trinque: isn't loc though. you have a finite amount of exposure to nonsense before you kill someone else, kill yourself, or go mad.
asciilifeform: trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936804 << lemme see what logs turn up. it will indeed barf if same fp is used.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 19:54:58 hanbot: yo trinque, deedbot doesn't like hanbot-abroad's attempts to register with a pubkey pasted to paste.deedbot.org (Import failed), ideas?
trinque: so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
trinque: hanbot-a-broad maybe!
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/ << lobbesblog -- In which Orphan Eric learns the value of negotiable instruments and saving in capital goods
auctionbot: Buy order # 1059 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 00:07:56 asciilifeform: trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
mircea_popescu: besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
mircea_popescu: it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
mircea_popescu: if indeed the relation's extensible, then from the fact that literature was born balanced and math balanced in say 2500 years, we can reasonably expect computerism to also balance in 6`250`000 or thereabouts, meaning more or less year 6`250`950.
mircea_popescu: this may seem like a lengthy stretch, but in fact it quite is : linnaeus' own species only speciated about 3-400`000 years ago, the commitment contemplated here's five times what it took to have homo sapiens.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 00:29:18 trinque: so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 20:36:48 hanbot: actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall we did have some ad-hoc interdict specced five years ago, is that it ? what's the situation re namesimilarity at registration ?
mircea_popescu: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/#footnote_7_81 << this is particularly funny, because almost every time slut gets publicly punished, helpful bystander inquires about a possible acquisit
mircea_popescu: most recently yesterday : slut kicked out of car over specific failure, wept all the way home. lorry full of workers'd have cut her a deal just as we picked her up on the home stretch because well... she looks like the best hooker in town.
mircea_popescu: and before that, on the trip over to castle, girly kneeling in the dirt by the side of the car in some rural parking lot attracted a... garbage truck! full of garbage men! who parked across and solicitously came over to inquire... whether she "ne
mircea_popescu: eds any help" ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps they found a golden cunt lying in the dirt, they might you know, take it home ? this can happen, no ? or if it can't happen then what were all the stories about ?!
mircea_popescu: full ten years ago, at a wedding, where i was the godfather and took chet to be godmother, the ~other pair~ of godparents (romanians do this groom / bride big/small wedding godparents thing) were these average middle class 30something couple. and the dude finally got sufficiently drunk at the party so as to propose to her! assuring her of his protection and etcetera! in a slurred drunk nonsense, and with his fucking wife r
mircea_popescu: ight there, growing all shades of purple-pale & stacojiu, thrown from disbelief to rage an' dipped in all possible torment.
mircea_popescu: schmuck was gonna protect her from me. at the time you could not find a gun in ten counties surroundant who hadn't been on my payroll at some point or another, but he was gonna "protect", with his soccer watching crew an' leased toyota.
mircea_popescu: and this was an old blind woman. but apparently it's not the age and it's not the anything else in that vein.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the full ten years ago is actually fifteen. whoa time passes.
mircea_popescu: aand since i managed to make myself all fucking sad reading http://trilema.com/2010/prea-multa-presiune/ , might as well archive this
asciilifeform: cluj-napoca... babes-bolyai << deceased sensei of mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936835 << they could. but they don't. exactly like a coal miner's wage doesn't cancel the black lung.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 04:05:33 mircea_popescu: besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936836 << the maffs people in fact achieved the second feat, of sliding in the ~other~ direction.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 04:06:25 mircea_popescu: it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform counts the maffs komyooniti's swallowing of the autogenned 3colour proof as 'moment of death', but strictly for convenience, entirely possible that died earlier )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, not deceased afaik, but kinda retired at about the same time. i did my thesis with him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't count the ustards as part of culture. saying "math died because mamie in chicago" is entirely like saying "medicien died because mamie in zimbabwe"
asciilifeform: what's it mean for medicine to be 'alive' if zimbabwe is errywhere ?
mircea_popescu: if africans could kill, it'll have all ended long ago
mircea_popescu: it's always "everywhere" dood, wtf do you think newton's complaint was.
mircea_popescu: anyway, orig dude should be... well, just about 80 by now
asciilifeform: well if formulate it as a 'jeszcze polska ne zginela / kiedy my zyjemy' , then sure, 'maffs is alive'. in 5-6 heads. not a very big place.
mircea_popescu: its' by depth not by surface area.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- re miners : the great (really, only) advantage of working with the mind is that the coal dust and the wage are made of the same exact substance
mircea_popescu: here, and nowhere else, it may indeed be possible the wage of unsin is undeath.
mircea_popescu: everywhere else... not so much. hence the appeal, since the day of plato
asciilifeform: this particular 'africa' tho is prion-contagious. the software derps decided that 'it's still a valid program' when imports GB of autoconfolade and 'appears to work'. the maffs people decided 'it's still a proof' when imports a GB of softwareliquishit and fits in 0 heads. the physics folx , that 'it's still physics' if used an irreproducible machine built by great inca. whereas per asciilifeform all of these people are pulling own co
asciilifeform: cks in exactly same way, and neither maffs, nor physics, nor even programming, are happening in their hands, but instead elaborate waste of time.
mircea_popescu: so it is.
asciilifeform: as i understand, the 'modern current' (i.e. 'ifuckinglovescience'(tm)(r) zombie worship) existed even in 'the day of plato' -- the pythagoreans & co
asciilifeform: they stood up under flag of 'africa' when, per legend, drowned the sqrt(2) fella.
asciilifeform brb:teatime
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/stallman-surrenders-human-mushroom-quits-everything-as-boot-hovers-above/ << Qntra -- Stallman Surrenders: Human Mushroom Quits Everything As Boot Hovers Above
BingoBoingo: ^ And Stallman cancelled himself.
asciilifeform: i suppose he'll have to find a new hallway to hobo in
BingoBoingo: And they, the cucky cocklets will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Where's he going to find a hallway. The kids controlling Stallmanable hallways have decided he needs to die, and he doesn't seem to have anything to offer anyone who employs in the saltmines.
BingoBoingo: Stallman's in a Charlie Shrem situation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betcha microshit already cleared out a hallway corner for mr mushroom.
asciilifeform: for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This has been done plenty of times before. The kids cry about Microsoft hiring a pedophile enabler, Microsoft kicks Stallman out to the street again. For all the dancing and noise Stallman maybe gets 18-36 hours of cot in the hallway.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice, he Officially Recanted , can have corner right next to linus.
BingoBoingo: The kids and cucklets will say he instead confessed.
asciilifeform: the cucklets are extras in this movie.
asciilifeform: will say what script tells'em to say.
BingoBoingo: Until it's their turns to get sacrificed as the cultural revolution marches on.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
BingoBoingo: I suspect English doesn't allow "controlled burns" in the way Mandarin does
asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
BingoBoingo: Bulls still cripple the occasional farmer who turns their back. Grain lifting augers maim quite a few farmers. The fallout from Gawker et al. is that there isn't really much farming going on at the left farm.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this so, but observe that present-day china is run 100% by (sons of) folx who sat in gulag during 'cultural rev'. and not of the 'red guards'.
asciilifeform: exactly as happened in sovok, the leninists had 0 lasting dynastic succession, ~100% garbagecollected by stalin & co.
asciilifeform: 'old age & treachery beat youth & vigour erry time' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mandarin allowed honoring Mao-think as a sort of A/B test, and allowed the revision to be popularly embraced. Something about Mandarin lets the Chinese be cohesive on just about anything. It's weird, alien, and seems rather far removed from what is in the Anglo language toolbox.
asciilifeform: i suspect it'll be a trans-'chix' or similar.
BingoBoingo: Trans chick or "sassy" dark Obeast
asciilifeform: or 2 for price of 1, wainot
asciilifeform: 'replaced with other-abled oppressed poor black female with hiv dancing macarena in a wheelchair'(tm)(r)(uncle al schwartz)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'cohesive' -- no moar or less than ameritards. simply in orcistans there does not exist the custom of pseudo-'plurality' that the (formerly) rich 'west' was able (until recently) to afford.
BingoBoingo: It's also possible they don't manage to replace. FSF/OpenSource oppress poor artisan app studios, etc
asciilifeform: fsf dead, for any conceivable pov, for decade+ . nao simply cement poured on grave.
asciilifeform: ( why nao cement -- i have nfi. it aint as if anyffin was ever likely to rise outta that grave. )
BingoBoingo: Well they gotta fuss now because Epstein is THEIR mess.
BingoBoingo: And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
asciilifeform: internal usg turf war. google-crapple-et-al miffed that some trickle from printing press still went to the 90yo's at mit 'ai lab' .
asciilifeform: episode, at least from my perch, is reminiscent of the undeclared 'civil war' in early '80s sovok b/w kgb and mvd .
asciilifeform: ( kgb -- won ; andropov -- crowned; purged the 'principled' folx, proceeded to do all he could to blow up the pylons on which stood sovok, but croaked promptly, adopted prince gorby was left to ineptly finish up the job )
asciilifeform: kgb -- for n00bs -- was ~100% staffed with folx who pissed on whatever oaths, principles, and wanted to proceed asap with converting their keys-to-the-shop into hereditary 'property right' .
asciilifeform: $process of course did not start with andropov. but with the derps who poisoned stalin, who was , near as i can tell, gettin' ready to purge the 'party elite' an' replace it w/ the young, vigorous folx who did loyal wetwork for him earlier.
asciilifeform: the poisoners -- 'drew quicker'. removed his chosen successor and his wot ; and proceeded to start sawing apart the house and sell to foreigners, feather miami nests.
asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
asciilifeform: sorta like the termite house , pylons long ago hollow, finally collapsing into pile o'rubble.
mircea_popescu: i find it quite funny this coincidentallies with discussions of leucosis.
BingoBoingo: Well, the KGB eventually did get Putin to do a sorta Make Russia Great Again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm?
mircea_popescu: whole rms thing and what i suppose is here the continuation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus funny re subj -- putin continued selling sovok's plutonium stockpile to washingtonistan all the way to '13 ! ( then -- when stopped in '14 -- got the 'ukrs' fiesta )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i.e. putin is ~exactly rms
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And Clinton sold Uranium to Russia. People trade in the metals all the time.
asciilifeform: loyal quisling flavoured with 'disobedience' for decades, then suddenly 'moment of clarity' when toolate.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trade in metal ~not produced~ since ~1991 or so.
asciilifeform: very diff item.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936884 << it's ok, they'll write some mealy mouthed comment in my general direction in some other channel about how they didn't this or that and all will be well.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:26:32 BingoBoingo: And they, the cucky cocklets will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936887 << keks, where ? they long ago gave out every possible square ft to fat black women.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:32:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betcha microshit already cleared out a hallway corner for mr mushroom.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he'll be toilet attendant for'em. iirc beyond certain level of fat they actually need 2nd pair of hands to clean arse.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936888 << yes, but post his republican dismissal, there's nothing left in that hide.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:33:41 asciilifeform: for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
BingoBoingo: I don't see Putin's shift in US-relations as coming too late. US was very committed to blowing its Cold War winnings in Iraq. WTF was Russia to do other than work on the S-400 anti-"Shock and Awe" system and let the US burn treasure on everything else.
mircea_popescu: that was his one remaining utility, that we'll supposedly give a shit.
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu do you still have that letter where he took a shit on asciilifeform's complaint re glibc ?
asciilifeform: maybe notbad time to put it on www.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: s400 (really s300 w/ some extra cpu) is a sovok-era legacy.
mircea_popescu: this is a werid q, if i published it why yo uask and if i did not how you know ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was discussed in log .
asciilifeform: ( maybe will even find where, at some pt, atm no luck )
asciilifeform obv. not knows via telepathy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the moment asciilifeform realized rms is 100% fungus by weight, and 0 left to salvage
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The missiles themselves may be incremental improvement, but the major point is anti-stealth radar picket it plugs into.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'great' in the andropov sense.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-01-16 14:33:06 asciilifeform: one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment.
asciilifeform: iirc '15 (16 ?)
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
mircea_popescu: the one important property of the failure of mankind is its complete and utter incapacity for any controlling of anythin whatsoever, internal or external.
mircea_popescu: the sun's not a controlled burn, but natural phenomena ; and the fermentation of the dregs of humanity, the dumbest women, the cuckest dorks, the socialists and morons and agglomerated stupidity -- exactly same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re glibc -- iirc subj of inquiry was re the 'nss' thing, which i found to be the sublib that drags in dynamicism, dns, etc
asciilifeform: possib. keyword, if anyone can find.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-02 06:48:29 a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
asciilifeform: aha, around that time
mircea_popescu: well, conceivable we search better once we get the historical bundle, afaik this is prior to your logs ?
asciilifeform: it is. era1.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936897 << nothing like this has happened to the zone since at latest vietnam war time.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:39:40 asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems to be very similar to what during vietnam, aha
mircea_popescu: it's unclear in what similar. those people were getting laid.
asciilifeform: similar in the 'look at us, we're the countercultural vaguard, overthrowing old farts!111' crapola.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936902 << none. there's, as BingoBoingo well points out, nothing left to crown over.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:48:51 asciilifeform: this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.
BingoBoingo: As the boomers used to say "Don't trust anyone over 30" is how they keep the purges rolling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that is a similarity without substance, much like saying "dentist and opera writer similar, they ask others to vocalize"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936901 << this is bizarre considering stalin was younger than lenin and you're discussing sons of people.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:45:46 asciilifeform: 'old age & treachery beat youth & vigour erry time' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: in general, the "sons of the gulag" will rule rather than the "sons of red guard" because both oppression and posterity are generally the lot of the more numerous.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
mircea_popescu: it's also a red herring : it's generally the orphans that rule. at the very least since modern era, because fathers suck balls.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i can't conceive how the pantsuit will manage to get a candidate. for one thing, trump did in fact end the dnc, as discussed in the logs.
BingoBoingo: In other intra-left dialectics: "Maduro: "Cualquiera que diga que Venezuela es dictadura es un estúpido, incluido Mujica""
mircea_popescu: looking at the matter from an in-universe fiction perspective, how the fuck's the collection of nobodies gonna enact identity ? they can't get behind any of themselves, they're all scum without exception as paradigmatic criteria.
mircea_popescu: they'll just sit and whine at unfairness of elections in general, "why should there be candidates"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ghostships eventually touch land one final time. Whether the land is seafloor or shore depends
asciilifeform: iirc there was talk of ~rnc~ running sumbody against trump
asciilifeform: so dun even have to be dnc-flavoured muppet
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936911 << strictly because when some pantsuit came in here to derp about how "stallman is respectable" he was laughed out
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:55:10 asciilifeform: ( why nao cement -- i have nfi. it aint as if anyffin was ever likely to rise outta that grave. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's two folks running against trump in the Coke primary, none have gravity
mircea_popescu can't be arsed to find the line, but w/e, was a one day wonder, "knows shit" in his own opinion retard.
BingoBoingo: That the DNC is dead doesn't mean surviving hangers on won't try to put on a show
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zx2c4 iirc
asciilifeform: 3day wonder
mircea_popescu: i thought was some other
asciilifeform: possib also other
mircea_popescu: not that THAT moron didn't hold the same laughable handshake "beliefs".
asciilifeform: was defo some d00d who walked in with whole brass orchestra of headcockroaches playin'
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936913 << the amusing part being that core's not objectively worth saving.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:57:22 BingoBoingo: And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
mircea_popescu: we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old.
mircea_popescu: there's... nothing there, demented morons collecting garbage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, aha.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old. << How could the derealized know?
mircea_popescu: they know, they know.
mircea_popescu: the problem with being on heroin is that you never really escape the inkling of actual reality.
mircea_popescu: same thing with being in the pantsuit, cry yourserlf to sleep as you will each night, the perception of mp grinning's still always there
mircea_popescu: insecapable
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:54:41 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:44:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gabbard was at one point a DNC CHAIR!
BingoBoingo: She was the innerest of inner circles
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936920 << the problenm with this retelling is that it describes the production of the corpse from the pov of gut bacteria. superficially this may even stand, but it's uncausative imo. i'm still not clear why exactly su intellectually imploded
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:24:33 asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-01 15:45:29 mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
asciilifeform: so, was hero, nao zero ? why ?
asciilifeform: ( re gabbard )
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a better link, there's somewhere in the logs where we discuss this mystery, of why and wherefore soviet thinking man simply laid over and gave up in the 80s.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tried to de-Clintonize too soon. The losers have to hate.
mircea_popescu: the flow of history doth in fact inform and ground the view, however. "what happened to phf ?!" is not so important about the one tard ; but rather, instructive as to the failure mode of a sort of mind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gave up' in '70s, when the 'party elite' sys solidified into an obviously hereditary aristocracy (populated by not esp. bright folx, at that)
mircea_popescu: i suppose what happened to all of them is the same thing : one day their derealization came home to roost, and they were so alienated from their own existence, they hadn't actually prepared for the event.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not clear to me what you're asking above ?
asciilifeform: re gabbard ? possib. BingoBoingo already gave answr.
asciilifeform will admit that he does not follow the muppetshow in realtime
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/usg-and-israel-moving-towards-mutual-defense-treaty-as-hawks-continue-pushing-to-bomb-iran/ << Qntra -- USG And Israel Moving Towards "Mutual Defense" Treaty As Hawks Continue Pushing To Bomb Iran
mircea_popescu: anyway, far from "oh, kgb sold off sovok", the fundamental problem was simply that soviet man ~gave up~.
mircea_popescu: the thing it gave up on was garbage collected through whatever method. but the causative agent was THAT GIVING UP.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! reminds of 'britain-poland mutual defense treaty' of 1930s
BingoBoingo: As DNC high elder Gabbard declared Clinton's brand too toxic to try rigging the game around. Was shunned. Then TMSR broke DNC couple months later.
mircea_popescu: why and wherefore he gave up, i do not know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's in the link
asciilifeform: aaa lol!
BingoBoingo: Or more, the Qntra text
asciilifeform: indeed is
mircea_popescu: but, to round it off : the substantial difference between 2nd socialism and 3rd socialism is that 2nd ~actually had enough substance~ to constitute something someone could give up ~on~.
mircea_popescu: 3rd never did.
mircea_popescu: its failure therefore, to my eye, is not in any sense meaningful, there's no zoon involved. it's pure and simple bion, a matter of fermentation rather than politics.
mircea_popescu: which is why the sun reference. there's no possible way the hydrogen atoms "could organize themselves" to do anything to or about the brown dwarf future. it's foretold, and will be exectued exactly at foretold, millions of years hence.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to colour in the picture -- who were 1, 2, 3 ?
asciilifeform: i'ma guess 3 -- clitler , 2 -- sovok, 1 -- bismarck ?
mircea_popescu: here's the story, as retold by yours truly :
mircea_popescu: the italians were being administered by the house of habsburg, because they were idle imbecile fuckwits throughout their existence.
mircea_popescu: being idle imbecile fuckwits and regrettably still around as well they shouldnt', the italians deeply resented this situation, where the austrians administered them well as slaves, whereas they themselves couldn't, on their own strength, as much as organize a cup of coffee
mircea_popescu: the unfairness of this situation wasn't, mind, that they were imbeciles, but that ~it is unfair~ that ~THINGS SHOULD BE SO~!!!!
mircea_popescu: because they're "great people" in the sense of latins, 2k years prior, had been. so their team already won, why should they have to do work! REALITY IS UNFAIR!!!
mircea_popescu: to "fix" this by their own lights, they came up with a wad of poisonous inept bullshit, to their best estimation perfectly engineered to end -- not the world, not the need of the world to be managed, but the ~possibility of managing it~, in-universe fantastically called "habsburg rule'/
mircea_popescu: this fruited among the lesser barbarians in three places : in germany through cultural osmosis, producing the thing copied after musolini
mircea_popescu: in the us through the italian diaspora, producing roosevelt and his nonsense, "bipartisan state" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: and in the soviets, who copied it from the germans they defeated.
mircea_popescu: but, the birth of "altruism" is the red thread in the whole pile of idiotic italian nonsense : mid 1800s is where it all starts.
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a socialism before all that ; and there won't be a socialism in the future.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought it started in stone age, where 'fair', i.e. can't effectively make a usable-later pile of ~anyffin
asciilifeform: and attempts to copy same
mircea_popescu: something like pantsuitism started in stone age, then man discovered pike
mircea_popescu: and pike changed society from matriarchy to patriarchy, because provided effectual control to female wail behaviour : poking with sharpened stick.
mircea_popescu: then things osciallated back and forth.
mircea_popescu: but, in general, pre-heroic age social degeneracy was resolved by early greeks.
mircea_popescu: pike really was much more important instrument than commonly realised. i would say it was the first AND FOREMOST man-made tool.
asciilifeform: pike, seems , wasn't quite enuff, cuz it dun stab by itself, need pikeman with a bit of sense in his head
mircea_popescu: specifically because it puts the female herd in line, turning them from "free" to slave.
mircea_popescu: that it does, and that is as it should be.
asciilifeform: ( consider root of pantsuit's fixation with 'robotic soldier' )
asciilifeform: or what meant 'frag' in 'nam
asciilifeform: aha! ty mircea_popescu , was digging for that same piece
mircea_popescu: mah pleasure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'face derealization' / 'they gave up, why' -- i was reading not long ago about keldysh (head of sovok academy of sciences, and overall respectable figure, in charge of ~100% of calculative works for space / atomic programs etc. ) BUT at same time is the fella who undertook 'let's ditch native comp archs and copy pdp'. seems like was a checkmate, rather than 'dolchstoss', saw no working alternative , 'we can't affor
asciilifeform: d to stick with 1960s state of art while west has pdp'
mircea_popescu: suppose i said "we can't afford to make new loggers yet again" ?
asciilifeform: similar!
mircea_popescu: was alternative : goes to politburo, says "either you start hanging 10% of youth each year until they produce alternative, or else we can all hang today"
mircea_popescu: decimation works.
asciilifeform: sure as fuck worx, 1934-1953 worked a+++. but then the 'soft' folx came, and forgot how.
mircea_popescu: but, as you say : pike has one design flaw. IT GOTTA BE USED
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 15:23:12 asciilifeform: pike, seems , wasn't quite enuff, cuz it dun stab by itself, need pikeman with a bit of sense in his head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this takes us back round to the question : why gave up ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, "to give up" as the reality is disguised in-universe, in the works of fiction populating stupid heads, as "can't"
mircea_popescu: "can't affort", "isn't proper", "this guy's abusive", what have you.
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you said earlier, prolly similar to how phf threw in towel. i.e. 'i racked up 9 figures of stupidity bill, no way to pay'
mircea_popescu: the question is WHY, not in their terms but in mine, as the onl ypermisible terms. not "why does the moron decide to misrepresent his taks as impossible", but "why did he give up"
mircea_popescu: this slippery slope of idiocy, "i really should have beaten the wife, but since i haven't, can't now beat daughter".
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu actually had piece on this subj. where mentioned 'dragon'. i.e. at some pt the lamer's task becomes factually impossible, after tall enuff pile of fuckup
mircea_popescu: moterfucker -- beat them both twice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the failure in this thinking is that "smart boi wants to use his smarts in war".
mircea_popescu: the precondition to action is NOT some sort of evaluation whereby action's salutary, or effectual.
mircea_popescu: you do what you have to do.
mircea_popescu: that is IT.
mircea_popescu: whether "you think it'll work" or not makes zero the fuck difference.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found it, fwiw
asciilifeform: grr wrong select tho
asciilifeform: lemme retry..
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: speaking of 'do what have to do!' , asciilifeform gotta fix a leaking pipe, bbl.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the "Qaseth-1" drones the Saudis got hit with seem pretty lulzy. Chicom mower engine, 250 km one-way range... and how useless was all hardware the US sold the House of Saud to stop them.
mircea_popescu: flight is cheap.
mircea_popescu: pretense however...
mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba << me goes "wtf is a selam gano". turns out... yep, exactly what you'd expect, irigaray "physicist'.
mircea_popescu: "selamgano.wordpress.com is no longer available. The authors have deleted this site." and the whole rest of the precious cuntlet / inca priestess.
mircea_popescu: "Then there was the challenge of arranging entry into building where The Register's US operation is based. Stallman asked not to be identified by name to the building staff to avoid the possibility that his name might end up in a database. "Resisting tracking of persons is everyone's duty," he explained. Meeting him in the lobby proved to be easier than working out how to ask front desk staff to admit an individual who cou
mircea_popescu: ld not be named. Eventually, we were able to get Mister Anonymous into the office, and the following conversation took place..." << keks.
mircea_popescu: hey hanbot where on trilema is that piece re the argentine retards with ~same problem ?
mircea_popescu: nah, was some building we were meeting i don't remembe rwhat local retard that had "security" at the door.
mircea_popescu: naah, was some business thing. back in the early days when i was still considering buying one of the tards skyscrapers or something.
mircea_popescu: and thanks heaves i didn't do that, holly hell.
mircea_popescu: nah, was very much wanna-be new york office building thing.
mircea_popescu: with receptionists and herpi-derpytude
BingoBoingo: Ah, familiar with that thing here.
mircea_popescu: dude's fucking unreadable.
mircea_popescu: he sounds like a subnormal 20 yo farmhand with a ged.
mircea_popescu: in other historical "news" : james was quite pleased with his new wife, mary of modena
mircea_popescu: she... burst into tears every time she saw him.
mircea_popescu: moral being, kingdom > cardboard.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937108 << recently in an old-b00kz shop i encountered new 'gem' of irigarayism, 'Gender and Boyle's Law of Gases' . arguing that 'boyle cheated and instead of data used the patriarchic preconceptions of his time'(tm)(r) .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 16:08:17 mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba << me goes "wtf is a selam gano". turns out... yep, exactly what you'd expect, irigaray "physicist'.
asciilifeform: incidentally the major ustard 'university presses' consist ~100% of these. for decade+ nao.
asciilifeform: mit especially (1 time went over the catalogue, barfed before reached half)
mircea_popescu has for the past 15 minutes bee nreading a tardball of insanity... wtf is that thing BingoBoingo ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's an autism standard. Kinda like how France has an international kilogram standard. That tardball of insanity is the international autism standard of Virginia
BingoBoingo: Anytime someone says they are a "creative" I assume they are *that* dog on the internet until demonstrated otherwise
BingoBoingo: Nah, lobbes is Charlotte, North Carolina. US recycles place names a lot
mircea_popescu: ftr, by http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937123 i was discussing rms. "They seemed receptive in a general way. But you know, whether Microsoft will change anything in practice, remains to be seen. Maybe it will change some things and not others, right? That's often happens. But I believe in judging each thing that a company does separately. So if a company is doing this thing, which is wrong and unjust, a
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 16:54:29 mircea_popescu: dude's fucking unreadable.
mircea_popescu: nd this thing, which is helpful, I'd rather not add them up. If these two activities are separable in practice, in other words, if it's possible to look at each one, individually, and distinguish it from the other, if they're not tied up with each other, so much that that's a nonsensical thing to do, then I do that. Because that way, I can disapprove of whatever is bad and approve of whatever is good. That's more useful, j
mircea_popescu: ust adding it up to get one total for a given company."
mircea_popescu: holy shit nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that leaving aside his damning failure to show up, rms wouldn't have made it five minutes in the forum on the basis of his absent culture, literacy or generally speaking working cns.
BingoBoingo: But yes, the absence of culture is a pre-requisite of elevation in the Incan insanity. Can't have "luminaries" tethered to the world or their place in it. MIT is more or less a sort of "day program" for "special" adults.
BingoBoingo: So what if they gotta call him a "visiting scientist" to get him to institutionalize himself?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so many 80yo d00dz have working cns. ( ~possibly~ rms circa 1990 would have been ~interesting in forum. but this ? fungus )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found the rms item btw : was apparently 1st mentioned in ciphrogram, here repgp'd back to mircea_popescu for ref . ( then afterwards mircea_popescu summarized briefly in log. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:43:27 mircea_popescu: was this past 2017 ?
asciilifeform: 5 april 2015 .
asciilifeform: dunno whether this is of any current-day interest to mircea_popescu , but there it was.
asciilifeform: summary in log, iirc was : asciilifeform wrote to rms re the 'libnss' garbage preventing static linking of glibc. rms 0 reply. but when mircea_popescu wrote, rms answered w/ jwzisms.
asciilifeform: in the end asciilifeform cut out glibc entirely, and never again gave a shit re whether it is fixed or not.
asciilifeform: rms, imho, richly deserves to reap errything he has sown.
asciilifeform: ( and imho is in fact the single most easily identifiable face that is answerable for us being stuck w/ unix to this day, at that )
asciilifeform: let him chase buffer overruns an' dangling pointers in the pits of tartarus 4evah.
asciilifeform: d00d's whole life was defined, seems , by 'just wanting to'(tm)(r) .
mircea_popescu: anyways, i expect a lot more of this trotting out / reclaiming of puppets going forward. "hey tmsr, do you wanna follow THIS esca ? no ? oook [animal eats the fleshy appendage, grows "new" one], nevermind, how about THIS entirely different other on ? no ? *repeat*.
mircea_popescu: fun fact for rotards : andrea ESCA is named for the fleshy bait atop an anglerfish head. didn't know thsat, did you.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-25 14:27:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit the matter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728843 : adrian sirbu, possibly the only romanian to have done anything since 1989 (he created the deliberate usg tool Pro Tv in 1995, a media company whose wikipedia page no longer mentions him -- very much a successful equivalent of the failed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048), has recently been accused of... you'll guess this not ? TERRORISM!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even immediately think of any remaining 'rms' with any ~life left in'em for such a thing
mircea_popescu: yeah, hard life over at the blue fort.
mircea_popescu: in other historic lulz : in other historic lulz : it is altogether likely that the fifteen year old anne lennard had a lesbian relationship with hortense mancini, her father's unofficial mistress and therefore the competition of barbara villiers, the official mistress.
mircea_popescu: then when she was 17 she fucked her mother's bf, montagu
mircea_popescu: AS A NUN
mircea_popescu: (villiers being her mom)
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/37aZY << In the latest of Argentine government by New York Courts.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/18/expoprado-at-rural-de-prado-an-exhibition-of-uruguays-agricultural-supremacy/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- ExpoPrado At Rural de Prado: An Exhibition Of Uruguay's Agricultural Supremacy
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/09/18/pizarro-isp-august-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP August 2019 Report
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/latino-perspectives/#footnote_0_59930 << May be the wanna be NY tower story
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