snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 19:59:18 lobbes: incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 19:55:35 lobbes:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 << Thank you. I was thinking this was the way to go as most of the folx giving me the best advice at those meetings (and online for that matter) were, in fact, older subbie girls near their 50s, followed by the 'old guard' owners.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:01:43 mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
mircea_popescu: so in practical, male, power-constructed terms, however you wish to call this : if you fail to make good because you spent all your resources hailing twennysomethings, that's a failure of education (ie, blame the parents, shoulda told you better), but if you fail to make it because couldn't find support in the old guard, well, that's the plain failure to thrive (blame self).
mircea_popescu: (and, for completeness, i find the misrepresentation thereof as "ethical feeling" as displayed in ustarded tradition from carnegie to buffett ~particularly~ galling. it is EXACTLY iliterate huswife hearing on the radio them paris folk have dat aifl towers and going about her courtyard to identify "what could be that them aifl tower in here". cuz everything has one, right, she knows, like when she was a little girl, those u
mircea_popescu: gly bumps on her chest are her boobs! like she's seen in the hotter older girls with real boobage.
mircea_popescu: so then she picks the garbage pile the rooster sits on, calls it aifl tower and tells all her ingroup. cuz right, it makes sense, rooster ? gaelic cock ? it's even kinda shaped similarily! then through the "beauty" of the internet her stupid fucking son is going to pester dictionary writers to "be inclusive" and treat the eiffel tower ~AS A CLASS~ rather than as an item, and discuss "other examples" in the first stage, the
mircea_popescu: n "find allies" and "break down the priviledge"... the intellectual socioeconomy of ustarded morons is quite well understood by now.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 20:17:11 asciilifeform: interestingly, the americans, who colonized and subjugated jp, to this day produced ~0 usable lit re the lang. ~all of asciilifeform's working materials -- from su.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 20:32:28 lobbes: perhaps starting with kanji not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:18:34 trinque: willing to use a minimal amount of JS?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:20:29 trinque: heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:35:52 asciilifeform: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:18:24 mircea_popescu: let this sit for a little we think more of it.
mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 17:24:16 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.5 12tGxcb82jAgCCpCga4yoGtAvZkgst3jrk
trinque: various "block explorers" show that one as shipped. afaik all have.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 03:19:07 mircea_popescu: but i lack ammo, as i don't japanese myself. (the naked girl in snow, she spent 10 years of her life trying to get to the bottom o fthat pile, with mixed success)
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 13d 1h 44m
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on organizing a break down of the situation. It's a very map-heavy exercise
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 18:09:22 trinque: two different things; he's talking about the shell tool, and you're talking about the sql command
lobbes: "This "boy meets girl, they
adultify each other" model is pure halucinatoria, the very substance of delirium and psychosis. It does not exist, nor ever has existed, nor ever will exist in reality." << sheesh, I've seen that model before
lobbes: I did reach back out to one of the helpful 50 yo subs I talked to though; she actually suggested meeting for coffee sometime, to which I said I'd love to. Hopefully will prove to be a pleasant and educational meeting
lobbes: In other news, I'm emerging a LAMP stack on my
new server. Once complete I'll start futzing with getting the logotron stood up
lobbes is determined to beat diana_coman to getting the 2nd logger online
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 16:29:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
diana_coman: asciilifeform, lobbes fwiw I'm having additional fun due to older versions of postgresql (and last time I used any postgresql was > 12 years ago + never digged it all that much, ffs)
lobbes: haven't tried on any other versions yet
diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah, 8 here; and no "create extension" so had to change the scripts to load the thing
diana_coman: create extension was introduced in 9; so earlier versions will puke there.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the extension pg_trgm thingies does exist; it's the loading that is different
lobbes: man, while it was a learning curve at first, I'm loving Gentoo now. Making my x86 system on this server to work like my x86 cuntoo testbed is as simple as just copying over my USE flags and package masks
lobbes: well maybe not THAT simple. But it is nice to be able to look in my masks and remember "oh yeah, I gotta remember to pick PYTHON target = 2.7" for e.g.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-23 17:34:06 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
lobbes: but server is a traditional gentoo
diana_coman: centos 6; because gentoo problem as you just described + the poor moldavian guys anyway pretty much @kukuruz
diana_coman: ah, yes, I'm sure 2.6ism would break 2.7, it's more this "fun" of code reuse; and I can ofc install python 2.7 on top; I seriously wonder though what's really the fastest route; because also, above it doesn't even seem to be print, it barfs when importing flask, a few layers deep in werkzeug and whatever
diana_coman: well yes, I'd rather ditch python alltogether.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the main q is: in wtf exactly
diana_coman: myeah; in case it's not clear - none of the above was a complaint re asciilifeform's work at all.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: and I think it was the best option available, yes.
diana_coman: for clarity re python 2.6 it's quite clear that it's not worth it - all sorts of breakings in flask & co really.
diana_coman: to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
diana_coman: I think I got a boatload of the good intentions part.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:58:26 mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed to make getting started quick and easy, with the ability to scale up to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want to be sober, reading that thing.
diana_coman: myeah, I quietly barfed in my notes re flask before but this time it just spilled in here.
diana_coman: well, I have at least fully explored the 1-strand spittoon: psycopg2 on python 2.7 wants postgresql 9 or greater and so it goes.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: apache so far is working, what can I say
diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's the easiest coupling if they run on same machine anywya?
diana_coman: ah, shall see; *if* the bot runs at all, that is.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind giving the exact versions for flask, werkzeug and whatever other shit is used in there?
diana_coman: I have python 2.7.16 flask 1.1.1 and werkzeug 0.15.5 from what I see and the reader.py fails complaining that there is no flask.ext.cache , which seems to be again some version-shenanigans
diana_coman: the full list of stuff pulled in by flask seems to be: flask Werkzeug itsdangerous Jinja2 MarkupSafe
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks; and yes, the .ext.cache trouble seems to be re v 0. or 1., ugh
diana_coman: well, by now it seems to me that either ALL match, or otherwise headache; and I suspect that at the next level it's simply either same repo/distro or won't match
diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar to your env/packages/versions though
diana_coman: but anyway by now my notes are a full novel
diana_coman: as usual, there's no lack of "tools", lolz; only none does anything other than eating up more time, ofc.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so then what, I'm still better off writing the bot in C or what?
diana_coman: well yes but it's starting to sound even appealing here, lolz
diana_coman: given this, I seriously wonder if it can be much worse to make it in ada on top of all the gnat-mess including unbounded strings and gnat.sockets and everything else; at least the full gnat so far *is* more transferable
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 04:51:18 mircea_popescu: it's this device that transforms inca (circular motion) into republic (linear motion) by the principle of only permitting rotary motion in one direction, thereby using the inca mass against itself.
BingoBoingo: 4 real, Also Argentina is now officially in "selective default" after the latest round of Derpities announced trying to keep hell from breaking loose before October 27th.
BingoBoingo: Well, probably waiting for local labor prices to drop enough to outsource the spear work to the Paraguayo immigrant population.
BingoBoingo: I suspect Mandarin is not a language in the mundane sense.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: China doesn't even particularly like Argentina. The Argentine Navy shoots at their fishing boats.
BingoBoingo: I don't see a situation where the Chicoms step in to save Argentina. Argentina isn't rich in natural resources like Vzla.
BingoBoingo: No one depends on the strength of Argentine paper holding to prop up anything. Even Uruguay has adopted a strict decoupling from Argentina so as to not sink with them.
BingoBoingo: The blackboard rate today hit 0.38/0.98 compra/venta. Part of this is intentional monetary policy re: "fuck Argentina", but there being less distance between zero and compra than compra and venta is a fairly new phenomenon.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-08 13:09:01 a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The cambios buy per 0.38, sell for 0.98. Very infrequent the blackboard rate is used with Argentine pesos, usually cambios offer better rates on pesos Argentinos for all but trivial volumes.
BingoBoingo: The wide blackboard spread is because no one wants to sit on pesos argentinas
BingoBoingo: A labor movement that wants the factories to leave has no use.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 15:27:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 6 hours and 25 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever post a arm64 cuntoo ?
BingoBoingo: Why would Brasil buy? Argentina doing what Argentina does is part of Brasil's sales pitch.
trinque: huh, that's sort of annying behavior.
trinque: lobbesbot, maybe it could pm instead
trinque: asciilifeform: I mean whether cuntoo is desirable as is.
trinque: trying to learn in my old age to take half a smell of the market before hauling off and building something
trinque: possible avenue of porting is to stand up an amd64 cuntoo, and then use crossdev to rebuild all ebuilds at a specified root dir
trinque: looking for what the env variable is
trinque: nah, the one where you can tell portage to blast its built-proggie output to a new root
trinque: I've used this to great benefit to blap down an embedded firmware
trinque will pick up his own, but thanks very much!
trinque: link to the exact model? and I'll stand up my crossdev stack for it
trinque: cool, got a big'n and small otw, arrives tomorrow
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:52:37 diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar to your env/packages/versions though
lobbes: For clarity, on testbed I got the eater.py and the reader.py working fine. Was able to view loglines and search with no issue (on localhost only, didn't test port forwarding). Did *not* test the bot.py, however. For reference, my version info: Flask 0.12.2; psycopg2 2.7.4; Python 2.7.15
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:54:34 asciilifeform: i recall lobbes was using some kinda system for sucking down py libs that worked through the deps chain, but can't recall what was
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:32:30 asciilifeform: iirc lobbes actually wrote a vintage-php frontend . but bot is still py and uses same spittoon
lobbes:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932106 << I agree this is probably the proper behavior. But it ain't changing anytime soon. The heathen coad lobbesbot runs on [i.e. it doesn't sit on the logbot tree like auctionbot] is slated to be discontinued just as soon as I get some more important things complete. Not sinking any more time trying to staple that dead horse
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:54:01 trinque: lobbesbot, maybe it could pm instead