dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-19 09:53:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-18#1096730 << consider writing a pestron.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
signpost: were one to pest-tronically have the rest of a traditional hierarchy, there'd be a hierarchy of networks with formalized ways of passing messages up and down between them.
phf: pest ideology was already flushed out in the early tmsr days, stems directly from the idea of sovereignty and lordship.
asciilifeform: phf: observe that 'n heads' is explicitly part of e.g. pest ideology.
asciilifeform: atm we have a much smaller but in fact rather similar party. signpost brought deedbot , asciilifeform -- rack, dulapnet, pest spec, various trbisms; thimbronion -- blatta; billymg -- noad walker; shinohai -- mirrors; various other folx -- useful commentary (e.g. punkman returned briefly and participated in pest spec hammering) ; etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-18#1096730 << consider writing a pestron.
mats: buying from anywhere it happens to be cheapest is the logical global endgame
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
crtdaydreams: will be able to do pest when I get home, will need a peer to do nat fwd
asciilifeform: to round off this subthread -- often enuff ~can~ solve problem, if replace it w/ ~different~ problem, that is solvable w/ avail. means. e.g.
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094984 << was thinking of trb with a pest interface in addition to the traditional one. so if you're plugged shut on the traditional front, can still communicate with your friends, assuming have enough friends not all of them being similarly plugged shut at the same time
crtdaydreams: no hurry, won't be able to continue pest setup for another ~wk~ or so anyways
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-25 13:15:43 asciilifeform: bonechewer: there's this variety of 'pseudo-open source' that is esp. pestilential in re: hardware -- y'know, where 'you can have the src, but all you can do with it is gawk because missing x,y,z,p,q,r essential parts, with various excuses'
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: were you thinking of writing a pestron? (or why udp)
dulapbot: whaack last seen here on 2022-03-31 10:41:00: asciilifeform: the irc interface means it can be integrated with pest so that upload is limited to pest peers
asciilifeform: ^ ultimate shape of 'adult' pest.
verisimilitude: It's in the same style as ``Have a constant connection that doesn't go down for longer than fifteen minutes.'' with Pest.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: per pest conception, you wanna be able to ensure unfraggedness even if pesting from moving truck and wardriving, which precludes 'clever' path mtu discovery etc
asciilifeform: theoretically ideal terrain for 'pest'
asciilifeform: what's needed is http over pest, where can fetch e.g. http://localhost:1337/asciilifeform/loper-os.org and it'll work for so long as asciilifeform is in yer l_n (for some n)
mangol: in non-Pest hacks, i designed a very simple client-server protocol to get static data using either a hash or a pathname. wrote a server and client for it.
mangol: DNS over Pest seems doable
mangol: in other potential pest hacks, the political stability of the DNS has given me concern lately
crtdaydreams: ohh ok. ja. all things considered in terms of a pest grid, how'd ya get around USG radio mafia?
asciilifeform: the way to 'keep out morons' is not to live in anonysoup to start with
asciilifeform: from an 'amish' pov, not only is e.g. 'pest' a waste of perfectly good joules, but even airplane. in fact most of 20th c. is 'waste'. and good % of 19th.
asciilifeform: for instance, if not had done this, would then have tried 'pest w/ rsa' and ended up either rationalizing away the aspect where enemy can trivially derive yer privkey from processing delays, or (as would hope) trying then to convince folx not to use it
asciilifeform: e.g. thimbronion's pestron imho
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 16:28:19 asciilifeform: and pest's 'if you can decrypt it, it's for you' is pretty good fit for radioism.
verisimilitude: I can't put the ukrainian flag in my Pest name, because it doesn't allow Unicode.
jonsykkel: still waiting for pronoun field in addition to speaker in pest messages
whaack: asciilifeform: the irc interface means it can be integrated with pest so that upload is limited to pest peers
asciilifeform: phf: spec is very much a work in progress, and there'll probably be at least one totally breaking change in upcoming revs
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-30 18:39:43 phf: channel move to pest when
crtdaydreams: shinohai: don't be in a hurry to add me to keychain, I have to rotate my key shortly before I join pest, my current key is stuck in a VM.
phf: channel move to pest when
phf: ah, it's not on pestnet.io
crtdaydreams: setting up pest; is the tarball just genesis?
asciilifeform: phf: are you baking a cl pestron ?
thimbronion: jonsykke's smalpest does support PROD, I believe
asciilifeform: iirc doesn't yet support addrcast message either
asciilifeform: aa, phf already baked own pestron?
bitbot: (pest) 2022-03-30 phf[asciilifeform]: hello, world!
asciilifeform currently not seeing an at entry for phf
asciilifeform: iirc blatta not yet fully implements the nat driller, so if you're in a nat, can only directly peer w/ people who are not
asciilifeform: phf: correct. atm there's a pestnet containing many (tho not yet all) of the folx sitting in #a. billymg runs that logger, it is operated as a bot station on that net
thimbronion: I believe jonsykkel's pestron works well too, though haven't actually logged in via one
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 16:28:19 asciilifeform: and pest's 'if you can decrypt it, it's for you' is pretty good fit for radioism.
asciilifeform if alive for coupla more yrs intends to demonstrate pest w/out the telecom grid fwiw
phf: once i have some time to hack on pest, i think i should make one of those "war games" maps of pest nodes, so that when the rockets fly we can see blink out of operation one after another
asciilifeform: signpost is slowly baking a http-over-pest, at which pt even this will be an archaicism
asciilifeform: phf: once yer on pestnet (or even nao) can simply tell folx ip when need
asciilifeform recs to phf to get on alpha pest net, may become moar interesting place as 'music dies'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-29#1090359 << chan dun need saving, atm e.g. bw & mains of the box paid up through july. ( after asciilifeform starves -- or, preferably, even before -- move to pestnet )
mangol: i was under the impression it's one of the deepest
asciilifeform: signpost: seems like in that case you can config the pestron and then connect only 1 pin of the serial port, as desired (tx or rx)
signpost: in the wallet case, would still want to be able to issue commands to pest, but prefer the assurance that the wallet service cannot say a damned thing to outside world.
signpost: ah, to clarify. I was talking about having a box *behind* the pest membrane which can only hear, not send. not talking about the world-side.
asciilifeform: well yes assumed that's ~whole point of an iron pestron
asciilifeform: well for pestron need 2way
asciilifeform not sees much pt in such box if doesn't implement entire pest
asciilifeform: theoretically if yer pestron can't keep up with line rate, still usable (but will be subjectively slower), situation equivalent to random loss
asciilifeform: and pest's 'if you can decrypt it, it's for you' is pretty good fit for radioism.
asciilifeform: signpost: the other irresistible feature of hypothetical iron pestron, naturally -- radio
verisimilitude: My proposal was more general than just Pest, but could include it.
asciilifeform: it's the troo way to do line-rate pestron.
signpost: the network-edge pest membrane is interesting to me.
asciilifeform: naodays obv. Right Thing would be w/ pest.
signpost: imho, why not have the thing just speak "pest", and build all additional functionality a layer above.
mangol has a general interest in schemifying scripts, so could look into a irc/pest bot at some point but can't promise a timeline
asciilifeform: and fwiw on a pestnet erry participant station has complete logs 'for phree'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-27#1089476 << asciilifeform aint much concerned w/ 'future versions of irc' as has 0 plans to use'em for anyffin. in fact plans to retire the dulapnet irc at some pt when pest 100% mature
asciilifeform: billymg: pest is necessarily a joint effort
billymg: imo the one nice thing about having a fuhrer (back in the mp era) was someone to say "we're doing x and using y to do so, get to work" vs. 100 splintered efforts. however, great collaboration on e.g. pest without fuhrer
crtdaydreams: ok, thank you. will try and get a running pest station up in next wk~.
asciilifeform: in current draft spec, any station can break outta nat if its wot contains at least 1 already-escaped (or entirely un-nat'd) station.
asciilifeform: nfi whether worx in current blatta. haven't tried smalpest of yet
asciilifeform: thimbronion's blatta & jonsykkel's smalpest
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: there are 2 working prototypes, pick 1
crtdaydreams: I've been thinking of getting a pest running on my server, (w/ Nat Escape to home nw)
crtdaydreams: a pest "not-to"
crtdaydreams: would be interesting to write script though that __can__ "pass" warez req. across peers thought decrypt/encrypt. would be possible or violate point of pest filesharing?
asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: peers don't 'forward packets' but messages. packets are unique.
crtdaydreams: and pests __may__ send arbitrary rubbish to other peers anyway
asciilifeform: a pest packet aint distinguishable from /dev/random output to anyone but originator & addressee.
asciilifeform: see again, spec.
asciilifeform: re traffic, enemy can see that yer sending/receiving, but not what, or whether useful payloads or rubbish
asciilifeform: plox to read spec.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 19:03:05 crtdaydreams: re: pest filesharing, how would filesharing permissions be executed? i.e. an file transfer eqiv of /query for each file to be transferred where peer can reject or accept (and also cancel transfer and discard packets) or will you be able to set a peer to "allow files / always accept"
crtdaydreams: On the pest side of things, traffic analysis to see which peers are sending large volumes of data, would it be to the whole network as to obfuscate in the current way?
crtdaydreams: re: pest filesharing, how would filesharing permissions be executed? i.e. an file transfer eqiv of /query for each file to be transferred where peer can reject or accept (and also cancel transfer and discard packets) or will you be able to set a peer to "allow files / always accept"
billymg looks forward to perusing signpost's collection once available on pestnet
signpost: billymg: actually looking forward to pest p2p net to put e.g. album collections on there, among more important things.
mangol: getdata takes a hash. if you're new to the pestnet, you presumably don't know the hash of old messages
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-25 11:16:18 mangol: re file transfer over pest, would a "chunk of file" message type make sense?
mangol: re file transfer over pest, would a "chunk of file" message type make sense?
bitbot: (pest) 2022-03-18 jonsykkel[asciilifeform|billymg]: indeed, 85.164.243.42 is new ip since 5days ago
mats: usa can still dominate c/sudamerica, supply the world's deepest capital markets, be a first rate tax haven and resume being a first rate military power
signpost: risk of staying in a python for too long is you start saying "what's the bittorrent of pest" rather than "from first principles, how do I achieve efficient, fault-tolerant distribution of this byte-array among my friends that want it.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-22 14:28:51 mangol: signpost: are you extending blatta or smalpest?
mangol: signpost: are you extending blatta or smalpest?
mangol: was some kinda consensus reached about file transfer over pest? would be nice to be able to broadcast "a file with this hash is available" and to ask the net "where can i get contents of file with this hash"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-21 23:15:12 signpost: crtdaydreams: where are you reading the spec? this says "AT is used exclusively for determining where to send outgoing packets" and "automatically updated"
crtdaydreams: asciilifeform: pest: Any particular reason __why__ the black packet sig is is verified in __random__ order?
signpost: crtdaydreams: where are you reading the spec? this says "AT is used exclusively for determining where to send outgoing packets" and "automatically updated"
crtdaydreams: Need a clarification on pest spec re: 2.4 AT
signpost: time to stop trying to satisfy your urges by making noise, and read *deeply* the pest spec, all of loper-os, and come back with questions or not at all.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-21 17:27:27 crtdaydreams: re DHT/PEST: perhapse we could utilize some form of bittorrent while wrapping i.e. a tracker in pest?
crtdaydreams: I suggest using at tracker over pest because you could design a tracker that certain files are available only to a selected participant on pest; i.e. the one with the PK to decrypt.
crtdaydreams: re DHT/PEST: perhapse we could utilize some form of bittorrent while wrapping i.e. a tracker in pest?
PeterL: would you say Pest is a product of TMSR, or a product of the new era since TMSR died?
mangol: seems like pestnet.io's TLS cert needs tweaking btw
PeterL: or have a pest network where anybody posts the hash of interesting stuff, then people can grab it using signpost's thing? (does it need a name yet?)
mangol: if you wanna hear someone's pest messages, you probably wanna hear about their links too
mangol: yeah, could be doable as a simple extension of pest
PeterL: so a sort of hack to implement the message types that pest has?
mangol: pest is new, so ideally could avoid using such a hack
signpost: just thinking from first principles outward from asciilifeform's pest
PeterL: mangol, could you expand how CTCP is different from normal pest operation, or how signpost's thing is differnt from DCC?
signpost: idea above is by no means complete, but wanted to prompt others to think about p2p filesharing pest-tronically.
mangol: IRC has CTCP and DCC which were bolted on as afterthoughts. why not do similar things from the start in pest
signpost: PeterL: perhaps entirely within pest, and sent as DM rather than rebroadcast to everyone
PeterL: so the actual file transfer is not done over pest, just the request?
mangol: oh yeah, flood routing is an interesting feature re: putting something DHT-like on top of pest
PeterL: signpost: would you set up a separate pest network for the DHT-requests, or would it somehow ride on top of the network people are using to chat?
signpost: quick sketch would be something like the following. my node sends (request hash) over pest as a new message type. this flood-fills over the network, and nodes that have the hash locally reply with (offer hash) if they feel like it.
signpost oughta write up what's in his head, but would probably be inappropriate to graft a connection-based request/response protocol to Pest.
vex: just like pest, whats already been said
asciilifeform: signpost: the folx who went in 'because beautiful' aint doing so much better either. there's no way around fact that certain things require serious resources (and it even discourages attempts at items which don't. e.g. pest could've easily existed in 1990s; why didn't it?)
asciilifeform: the sane thing would be for it to play similar role to irc in current pestrons
verisimilitude: Did I misunderstand something, or were it HTTP requests carried over Pest messages?
verisimilitude: A gopher is a pest.
verisimilitude: Oh, how nice, Gopher over Pest.
verisimilitude: I'm loathe to mention it, but even Gopher over Pest would be better.
verisimilitude: A scheme for ``bare'' documents over Pest is more sensible is all.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-20 17:58:56 verisimilitude: HTTP over Pest makes no goddamn sense.
verisimilitude: HTTP over Pest makes no goddamn sense.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-20 17:44:52 thimbronion: Will be nice when it's possible to blog via pest.
thimbronion: Will be nice when it's possible to blog via pest.
signpost: but doesn't seem to preclude having a device in my pocket that can fart pest packets to my friends over radio
asciilifeform: or e.g. 'pest' worx just fine if there were only 2 stations.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 17:07:10 asciilifeform: meanwhile (possibly for billymg to play with...) baked a simple icon for pestism to use on asciilifeform's www sidebar. billymg et al feel free to fiddle with it if you have time, propose changes.
thimbronion: Didn't notice the logo in previous versions of the pest spec, asciilifeform, nice.
thimbronion: BingoBoingo: what is your new job? Also, please run a pestron.
thimbronion: I'm just gonna try out LispWorks and see how well debugging multiple processes works. Could come in very hande for pest dev.
verisimilitude: Pest is one example, actually.
PeterL: could do like pest: write spec, make protocol, adjust as needed?
verisimilitude: I'm sure they also have programs about how the four pests campaign went wonderfully, if they even mention it, asciilifeform.
shinohai sees pest as appendage of wot, where one doesn't keep garbage keys around in personal keyring ...
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 10:41:40 PeterL: pest-sexchat when?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 08:36:31 mangol: PeterL: i assumed asciilifeform has a plan for scaling Pest, but maybe that's not a goal to begin with
asciilifeform: the current pestnet is ~dozen people 'sitting around coffee table' which worx ideally.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-16#1084574 << the correct mental model for a pestnet imho is a party in a large room. if errybody's voice carried to entire room, would be impossible to speak. however people normally stand in groups and can speak, sometimes moving from one to another
PeterL: pest-sexchat when?
PeterL: this is all assuming the current use. If signpost gets his file transfer protocol working on top of pest then we might need to look at other ways for optimization, but at this point that would be premature
mangol: makes sense. so for pest nets that >dunbar people are interested in reading, the idea is to publish the logs on a separate medium.
PeterL: I guess it helps to think of a pest network more like a single channel on traditional irc, where there are a handful of people talking, rather than e.g. freenode which could have thousands. It is easy enough to set up multiple pest stations, so you can have disjoing sets of peers
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 08:36:31 mangol: PeterL: i assumed asciilifeform has a plan for scaling Pest, but maybe that's not a goal to begin with
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-29 13:30:15 signpost: the correct social topology is human-sized, e.g. the number of reasonable pest peerings.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-16 08:30:43 mangol: the main unanswered question in my mind is, how scalable is the design -- how hard is it to handle a pestnet of 100 or 1000 stations
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-16#1084540 << in principle you can have any # of stations you like on a pestnet if you set a reasonable bounce cutoff. however asciilifeform's official pov is that a group of mutual ~peers~ must be <= 'dunbar' number. the design reflects
mangol: PeterL: i assumed asciilifeform has a plan for scaling Pest, but maybe that's not a goal to begin with
mangol: the main unanswered question in my mind is, how scalable is the design -- how hard is it to handle a pestnet of 100 or 1000 stations
mangol: hello PeterL. Pest seems like a good design. i've read most of the spec (appreciate the prettyprinted version) but not yet familiar with all the details.
PeterL: mangol: have you been following the Pest development?
verisimilitude: I agree, but I want to write my Pest by myself.
verisimilitude: Would a single-threaded Pest implementation work well?
asciilifeform would rather see a clean commonlisp pestron, fwiw
signpost: cool idea there might be IPC over pest between erlang instances
thimbronion: I wonder if erlang would be a good lang in which to implement a pestron.
PeterL: I'm thinking I am going to stop scoopbot here and just have it reporting in #pest
bitbot: (pest) 2022-03-12 PeterL[asciilifeform|billymg]: aha, this looks like it worked: ^:(\S+)\s+PRIVMSG\s+\#(\S+)\s+\:(.*)
billymg: ah, yeah, i see PeterL also had to figure it out again for his. had you simply read my blog post from jan you'd have had the answer
shinohai: I had almost relegated idea of bot on pest to rubbage bin, but finally paid off.
scoopbot: New article on btcinfo: Adventures in pest testnet - Blatta updates and bots
whaack: signpost: saw your msg in pestnet, problem is i have not updated my code, will do so in the near future
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-10 03:10:04 crtdaydreams: big question; how the fuck do you end up doing what you want to do and working on projects like pest and trb et cetera, like where the hell do you find the money and time?
crtdaydreams: big question; how the fuck do you end up doing what you want to do and working on projects like pest and trb et cetera, like where the hell do you find the money and time?
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-06-05 asciilifeform: in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext
whaack: i may not even add sig checking on the server, if submission is already filtered to those in my pestnet wot, then no reason to have an extra server side check, that's supposed to be done locally anyways
whaack: PeterL: anyways, seems like an unnecessary restriction, whole point is you want an authority-check to make sure someone you trust is adding the context link, doesn't need to be more strict than that, atm i am pretty satisfied with leaving the auth step to pestnet
billymg: whaack: could technically require the submitter to complete a challenge, like deedbot, when using add-context. but why add the complexity if non-pest irc is a dead end anyway
whaack: add-context could be hijacked, but if it's on the pest network....
jonsykkel: ur writing it in #pest?
shinohai: jonsykkel: Got yer latest smalpest to press/build but evidently am thick and cannot seem to peer with anyone.
thimbronion: pest: your peers know who you are, tor: you know all your peers are feds
thimbronion: hey phf - get on pestnet
shinohai currently setting up pest station in new home, should be online in a bit ....
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:53:09 verisimilitude: Once a refined Pest be available, I intend to show it to the owner, Joshua Moon; I've told him before that trying to have a website in the face of such issues is a losing game, if only due to the protocols.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:55:23 bonechewer: naah, there will be evolutionary solutions to website censorship before the layers that would be needed to make pest more than just an irc replacement could be built
bonechewer: naah, there will be evolutionary solutions to website censorship before the layers that would be needed to make pest more than just an irc replacement could be built
verisimilitude: Once a refined Pest be available, I intend to show it to the owner, Joshua Moon; I've told him before that trying to have a website in the face of such issues is a losing game, if only due to the protocols.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
shinohai: thimbronion: Ack re: pest station, gonna throw it on the znc server asap
billymg: verisimilitude: that last one i can agree with. more important is what we can control. e.g. trb, pestnet, etc.
thimbronion: shinohai: your pest station appears to be offline according to my address table
vex: thimbronion, did you solve for pest dupes?
signpost: I'll let my pest node run a while and see what happens
asciilifeform: signpost: apparently asciilifeform's last 2 pest msgs simply went to devnull
signpost: not with pest packets, no need, but for things which can degrade with less harm.
verisimilitude: The reason Pest uses its size is because that's the minimum transmission unit.
bitbot: (pest) 2022-02-25 billymg: bitbot is also on 9982
thimbronion: don't wanna use ntp, but keeping pestnet clocks coordinated would be nice
bitbot: (pest) 2022-02-25 billymg: PeterL: are you on latest blatta? for some reason my station keeps crashing now, starting from http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-02-25#1003761
vex: i'd love to read verisimilitude's pest spec commentry/latin translation
asciilifeform: or even better, read spec entirely & write a commentary.
asciilifeform: or see if can come up w/ how to reduce # of various buffers req'd.
asciilifeform: nuffin stops you from baking whatever convenience scripts on top of yer pestron, also
verisimilitude: The one or two users could disconnect and reconnect. There's no such Pest operation, however.
verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, while Pest's Direct Text provides a whitelist operation, there's not a corresponding blacklist mode. I'll make an example.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: nat drilling.
asciilifeform: ... this is pestilentially endemic among usa folx; 'i dun wanna be a partizan, i wanna live in reich of 20/30/40y ago that was less retarded'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-19 13:55:37 thimbronion: signpost: plz to repoast recommended luby readings. I am getting to the point where I have time to research this and consider it in the context of pest/blatta.
thimbronion: signpost: plz to repoast recommended luby readings. I am getting to the point where I have time to research this and consider it in the context of pest/blatta.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-13#1079089 << the cheapest (tho still oligarch-priced) way to do this today would likely be mask rom.
asciilifeform: adlai: current draft spec, asciilifeform recs to read if you've any spare cycles.
asciilifeform: adlai: billymg has a pestnet logger w/ reasonably good uptime.
asciilifeform: adlai: lemme know when you've a pest station, will send you a peering key
adlai: I saw that a pest specification has been published, and prototypes... congratulations
verisimilitude: I'm inclined to believe two hundred and fifty-six direct peers is sufficient for a Pest station.
crtdaydreams: Lookin' at finally getting off my arse and getting (contributing?) pest
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
asciilifeform: signpost: from asciilifeform's pov -- the only things which belong in protocol are the ones req'd for pestron to operate
signpost: that said, I think an easily mutable hypertext system shared among members of a wot (on top of a pest-implemented DHT) would be a mighty fine thing.
cgra: signpost: would it work/make sense to you to make pastes linked in pest messages (seen by your station) permanent?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-30 13:00:46 cgra: whaack: i'm possibly not aware of all implications, but i keep contemplating a 'pesttronic block explorer' accepting read-only sql queries from wot
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-31 21:14:40 asciilifeform: iirc we discussed hypothetical pestronic wot, where yer peers can ask for yer ratings. and imho this wins, but strictly because eliminates the need for 'wot lives on 1 d00d's www', rather than because it makes any kinda sense to keep ratings seekrit
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-30 13:41:01 signpost: but upstack, the logical progression of IRC botworks is being able to (deedbot:deed "signed payload to be deeded") into pest, and receive back an ack that it was heard.
asciilifeform: whaack: likewise, pest (as currently pictured in spec) lets you invite peers to make db queries when it makes sense . i.e. 'getdata' cmd.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-30 13:00:46 cgra: whaack: i'm possibly not aware of all implications, but i keep contemplating a 'pesttronic block explorer' accepting read-only sql queries from wot
asciilifeform: and imho ideally ratings would be visible to one's pestnet via broadcast
asciilifeform: iirc we discussed hypothetical pestronic wot, where yer peers can ask for yer ratings. and imho this wins, but strictly because eliminates the need for 'wot lives on 1 d00d's www', rather than because it makes any kinda sense to keep ratings seekrit
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-27 13:16:35 asciilifeform: sees pest, in 'big picture', as a generalization of the wot, rather than simply replacement for ircism.
vex: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-27#1069796] Is pest going to improve my wot experience? Why the fuck should I rate every aquaintance -10 to 10 for all to see?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-30 20:27:27 signpost: to hazard a sketch, I'd create a travel key, and distribute a disk image among friendlies in l1. after arrival, I'd ping those friendlies for a swarm download of the disk image with travel key, and appear on pestnet.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.