asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-02#1081974 << mandatory re subj.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-02 22:13:58 bonechewer: But I confess I can't quite imagine what things will be like if the internet is no longer fully connected globally at the IP level
asciilifeform: at some pt ( asciilifeform & others warning folx for ~20y , it aint news ) will be 3 'internets' -- reich's, free world, and ad hoc sneakernet / pirate shortwave snail bridge b/w the 2.
signpost: "omg cybersecurities" oughta be a major driver.
asciilifeform: to date the only brakes on that train was reich's thrust to push its volkischer beobachters on ru et al
signpost: i.e. surely the rufolk will read wapo?
asciilifeform: signpost: not directly wapo, but typically filtered through layer of 'westernized' parrots
signpost: mm, yeah
mats: the internet is already balkanised tho
asciilifeform: the parrots in ru in particular feeling the heat, as of today 15y sentence for parroting reich party line. supposedly.
mats: there's the chinese net, the ru and en net, the kazakhs have shut down theirs and so have the iranians, same in kashmir
signpost: yeah, but one can still hit rutracker from here
asciilifeform: mats: so far these 'weak sauce', simply 'great firewalled' enumerated banned pgs
asciilifeform: rather than 'internet of the future'(tm)(r) whitelist
mats: we're well into the federated phase of internetworking
mats: not sure there's any point to fully firewalling the net like north korea
asciilifeform: mats: it's the logical endgame. but to date the reich efforts have been to prod orcs to (ineptly) cocoon ~selves~
asciilifeform: e.g. atm massive ddos (involving perhaps 1e8+ bots) against just about erry notable ru public www
signpost: imho it's a plausible panic move after a critical infrastructure cyberattack
signpost: stomp token "domestic terrorist" into paste, and cut off external access.
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- as of today, installs of american 'subscription' lulzware in ru 'sorry, yer license expired'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-12-05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a
asciilifeform: the only functioning installs -- warez
asciilifeform hasn't a link to any noose piece re subj, learned from humans
asciilifeform: possibly aint 100%, but being phased in piecemeal.
asciilifeform: 'app store' crapolade similarly evaporating.
signpost curious what happens the day after putin croaks.
asciilifeform: signpost: same thing as when ivan iv croaked
asciilifeform: 'time of troubles'
signpost: seems unavoidable, and iirc the guy had cancer at least once already.
asciilifeform: to date historic weakness of 'god emperors' -- not 1 ever grew a worthwhile successor
asciilifeform: anyways, re 'autocad' etc. -- the folx crying about this, have only selves to blame.
asciilifeform: is whatcha get for sucking copyrast cock.
asciilifeform: if not today then tomorrow.
asciilifeform: for subscribing to the 'intellectual property'(tm)(r) planetary scamola.
signpost: entertaining that the US moves to explode *all* its institutional trust, though philosophically it makes sense that if it happened to the money, why not everything measured in.
asciilifeform: ( recall how what germany got for its patent portfolio was 2 world wars )
signpost: given yes, USD was itself an intellectual property scamola
signpost: "smart contract" with uncle sam.
asciilifeform: signpost: 'trust' is 'yesterday', today -- subordination.
asciilifeform: ( recently a usg muppet openly mentioned 'china's insubordination' after cn refused to embargo ru )
signpost: well, I bet fallout makes for unique sunsets.
asciilifeform: folx hoping for a quick and picturesque death are likely to be disappointed.
signpost: ah I don't hope for anything, quite content. nobody gets out alive (tm) (r)
signpost well aware dying empires can fester for "longer than you can remain solvent^Walive"
asciilifeform: reich made, evidently, a last-ditch attempt to get outta 'festering' and bring back '90s plunder bonanza
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
asciilifeform: if orcs surrender -- will be eaten, and reich gets anuther '90s and anuther ~20y of borrowed time.
signpost: as if by instinct, the girls are already recycling the 90s attire.
signpost: don't know, maybe china has designs on plundering the slavs this time.
signpost: certainly appears so. I wouldn't have taken that handshake.
asciilifeform: atm they've signed on to buy ~errything eureich aint buying
asciilifeform: (with what paying -- nfi)
asciilifeform: if continues on that trajectory, eventually result -- 'eurasian reich'.
asciilifeform: together would need an absolute 0 from rest of planet3.
asciilifeform must bbl.
signpost afk til tomorrow, gnight
mats: pretty good inside baseball https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=745A970D9C6364288D757A1C9175482E
asciilifeform: mats: 'Interference in American elections. The sponsorship of extremist politics in Europe. War in Ukraine. ... reasserting Russian power while taking control of the economy for themselves, suppressing independent voices' << do you habitually read this sorta reich lul ? leaden stomach and for entomological purposes, or actually buy the claptrap?!
mats: i do think all those things happen, yes
mats: do you not?
mats: theres claims in there without named sources, and its a bit loaded, but thats how the game is played
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 00:16:21 asciilifeform: signpost: not directly wapo, but typically filtered through layer of 'westernized' parrots
asciilifeform: or 'extremist politics' i.e. 'folx daring to contemplate spitting out reich cock'
mats: theres true believers and then theres useful idiots
asciilifeform: meanwhile, nomoar orcish rocket engines for usg. 'learn to fly on brooms'(ru minister of space)
mats: like, for example, theres the faction that believes in the ahistorical narrative of alliance with white christians in ru
asciilifeform: which christians, the 1s who trashed constantinopol in '4th crusade' ?
mats: politics makes for strange bedfellows
asciilifeform: (or maybe the 1s who allied with turks in 1850s ? or the ones who tried to rm -rf ru in '41 ? which ?)
mats: the whole white ethnostate thing is a little weird, but i get it, usa was 90% white until the 70s
mats: insofar as 'white' is even real, like 'han' is real
mats: dumb people need a common identity to rally around
asciilifeform: mats: 'white power'(tm)(r) clubs are 100% usg provocateur-powered usefulidjicies
PeterL: lumping people together as "white" is hard to define and not very helpful
mats: theres only so many choices on the census
PeterL: actually, the US census lets you put whatever you want. the past two censuses I put my family down as race: Michigander
asciilifeform: census has 0 to do w/ it, reich operates various 'heil hitler' social clubs as one of the many avail. flavours of pseudointellectual deadend gluetraps for the susceptible
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 14:31:56 signpost: here comes the *chan guy making edgy pro-nazi comments.
asciilifeform: the most successful 1 of these is the infamous ukr ss 'azov'(tm)(r), a costume-accurate reenactment of 1940s collaborationist org
PeterL: for these sorts of people, "yer white if I say you look white, I'll know it when I see it", no need for rigorous classification criteria
thimbronion: I don't get the ethnostate hate. Japan is not that bad.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 20:36:08 verisimilitude: It would be nice to live in an ethnostate.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-02-21 20:36:22 asciilifeform: yea well unless you already do, it aint happening
PeterL: it's fine if it is actually an ethnicity. If you try to lump a bunch of different groups together without understanding who they are, then you run into problems
asciilifeform regularly runs into folx who jack off to e.g. jp, iceland, etc. and answers'em 'yes, is great -- cuz you aint there'
thimbronion: It's actually partly why I like Costa Rica - it's more of an ethnostate than say, California.
asciilifeform: as soon as 'you' get there, it aint any longer so 'ethno'. like e.g. today's stockholmabad
mats: whiteness in usa changes depending on which year you live in
asciilifeform: mats: the 'white' usa is aka 'flyoveristan', 'meth land', collectively a kind of ukraine
mats: strictly an exclusive construct based on prevailing immigration waves of the last 5-50 years
mats: Han identity has similarly expanded
asciilifeform: well 'exclusive' in that ~no one wanted to move there, instead folx w/ >roomtemp iq moving strictly out to coasts
asciilifeform: mats: asciilifeform not so familiar w/ cn ethnowank; has rather naive picture of 'raw vs cooked' (barbarian (west) vs civilized (coast))
asciilifeform: also of course that 'white devil' is considered 'nigger' in cn , like in most of asia
thimbronion: asciilifeform: no they're great because you and the people like you don't make up a significant minority of the population
asciilifeform: well until they do, you'll be 'nigger'. and when they do, the thing turns into a sweden.
asciilifeform: recall e.g. signpost's description of texas after the mass californirast migration in recent yrs
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-06-29 asciilifeform: understand, congenital disease of orc, is to envy the western rome, 'where streets are clean, lifts -- unpissed, women -- as on cover of 'playboy''
billymg: what's nice about an ethnostate is the shared values, not the shared skin tone. countries where btc is the legal tender will attract people with shared values, hopefully creating new ideostates
asciilifeform: 'lifts' stay 'unpissed' right until 'you' show up to piss;em
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-19 11:19:42 asciilifeform: signpost: re 'why pest' -- asciilifeform is a btc aficionado of the (nearly extinct, possib.) old school -- would like to live in world where can get paid in uninflating, untaxable coinz, and buy necessities of live in same. doubt that anyone living nao will live to see such thing, but asciilifeform specifically interested in work which could make it at least conceivable.
billymg: asciilifeform: judging by the self-labeld "maximalists" on twitter, quite a few
billymg: anyway, not speaking of feasibility, but more of desireability. i want an ideostate with e.g. the folks in here and similar. don't care about skin color or weekend hobbies
asciilifeform: 'ideostates' have moar mixed history, lol
asciilifeform: (and typically req. > a rowboat's worth of folx)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082086 << asciilifeform approximates count using trb noades.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 11:47:17 billymg: asciilifeform: judging by the self-labeld "maximalists" on twitter, quite a few
asciilifeform: using billymg's excellent widget, and expanding circle to 'trb-compat', currently seeing 29 after subtracting the bot itself
billymg: lol, beat me to it
asciilifeform: of these , asciilifeform runs 2, iirc BingoBoingo also 2-3, mod6 a few, most trb folx operate >1
billymg: you could add a few since occasionally a running node won't respond in the 15 seconds for whatever reason, only to show up in the next poll
asciilifeform: so in the end prolly a dozen folx on this rowboat.
asciilifeform: billymg: possib.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=725764
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=725764 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.253s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.320s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.609s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725764
asciilifeform ^ knows of 14 variously-reliable noades atm.
asciilifeform: this obv. not incl. merely 'compatibles'
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: there's 2-3 where operator evidently wakes up 1ce in 2-3mo
dpb: mine is down as often as it is up. cron resets every 7 or 8 minutes, to cope with satelite connection. Will be on fiber soon, lord willing
thimbronion: asciilifeform: sadly not being a russian I can't use the n-word, not having an n-word pass, but do you consider the Fujimoris and Bukele to be n****s?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: in asciilifeform's pov it's a social rank, not a colour
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yes I believe this is widely understood here
asciilifeform: so dun have much to do with bukele, mugabe, et al
asciilifeform: in related noose, 1 of the 2 ru restaurants in washingtonistan -- trashed by 'ukrs'
thimbronion: Hmm, let me make my point more clear. Bukele, Fujimori are members of tiny minorities in their countries, but not n*****s.
asciilifeform: moar analogous to armenian/j00/etc then
thimbronion: maybe the way to go
asciilifeform: 'commercial minority' historically rather vulnerable.
asciilifeform: tend to be exiled or woodchippered by debtors.
asciilifeform: some folx who 'neither borrower nor lender be' and ready to suitcase at 1st sign of trouble, e.g. ru 'old believers', doing ok.
asciilifeform: but you an' i can't 'go and join', aint how it worx.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 11:33:05 asciilifeform: regularly runs into folx who jack off to e.g. jp, iceland, etc. and answers'em 'yes, is great -- cuz you aint there'
thimbronion: lulz - saw already
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-10-31 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-10-31 asciilifeform: if it weren't glued, it wouldn't be there.
thimbronion: What's the point of joining anyway?
thimbronion: There's nothing to do for ... a while.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: typically folx want to join some x to get outta some y
thimbronion: asciilifeform and mats live in black neighborhoods or wat?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: 'spanish'
thimbronion currently lives in cantonese area
asciilifeform: in cr?!
thimbronion: CR neigborhood is same place as MP used to hang out.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $42295.32
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-22 13:23:33 asciilifeform: ( the lizard strategy is interesting imho: to mask the inflation shelter aspect of btc by artificially pumping it up and 'burying' the rise with paperola)
thimbronion: There are twitter trolls who regularly mock btc as an inflation hedge. I disagree. It's a great hedge if you were hedging in 2013.
asciilifeform: wainot '09 lol
thimbronion: This fictionaly hedge that they imagine could not actually exist in conjunction with the USD.
asciilifeform: depends what means 'inflation hedge'
dulapbot: (alethepedia) 2020-10-11 asciilifeform: thimbronion: the altcoinists -- sure . but i was speaking of the fact that the exch rate prolly aint growing another 0 -- or rather, not w/out the dollar price of archaetypical sandwich also growing a zero.
thimbronion: yeah I agree at this point. A hedge is something you wanna get out of at some point. No point in getting out of BTC.
mats: I suspect most people are thinking of (monetary) inflation hedge when they refer to bitcorns as such
asciilifeform: ... also depends on whether you actually at any pt need the dough (and know how to get outta ~50% taxes or whatever local nonsense etc) rather than simply 'feeling rich'
mats: And no, I live in a very nice area, mostly aryans and some asians
asciilifeform: for folx outside usa.reich -- 'nice' typically refers to 'the aboriginal don't often attack', 'shops stock sumthing other than tinned fish', etc
mats: we have hobos that mutter to themselves near the shops and beg the occasional highway off-ramp, but there’s only three or four regulars in my neighborhood
mats: pretty good for california
asciilifeform: there's hardly 1 seriously trafficed intersection in washingtonistan w/out a 'permanent' beggar (tho normally only turn up in good weather)
asciilifeform: at one time were only in the city proper, after '08 or so errywhere
mats: I volunteer at the food bank and it’s nuts just how many pallets get broken open and distributed in a day
mats: The poors in America still have it real good
asciilifeform: debatable, how 'good' to die slowly of diabetes and monsanto instead of regular congo starvation
mats: Ill pay more attention to the brands and ingredients next time but it’s pretty mundane stuff like tomato paste, canned fruit and veg, legumes, rice
asciilifeform: 1 major variation in usa is whether there'sa fresh goodies outdoor market
mats: nothing wrong with cans
asciilifeform: mats: can't imagine you haven't met the folx who try to live on the cans
mats: They’re generally good quality and nutritious
mats: Frozen and canned food gets a bad rap
mats: Dumb culture
thimbronion: asciilifeform: watched a documentary series with one episode on a serial killer granny in Sacramento - homeless hanging around same places even back in the 80s/90s, though I do think the tent thing is new.
thimbronion recently been eating lots of tinned sardines and oysters.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: around here periodically police bulldoze the tents, they tend to come back
thimbronion: asciilifeform: there has been a small tent settlement under the overpass next to my daughter's private school for at least a year now.
thimbronion: Often many equiped with swiveling office chairs with rollers.
PeterL: we don't have that problem here, weather is too cold
verisimilitude: Almost every problem I've ever had with e-mail has been caused by gmail, and it sickens me.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: microshit's behaves similarly (incl., comically, sometimes spamboxing mail from ~microshit itself~)
verisimilitude: Corporations see a public good, a public utility, and their owners think ``Wow, if I utterly destroy that, everyone in the world will be worse off, except for me.''.
verisimilitude: Corporations poison wells to sell bottled water, and it's really hard to find a counterexample.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: long pre-dates the invention of corporation. 'hydraulic despotism'(tm) per historians
verisimilitude: I'm growing convinced this is all they've ever done.
asciilifeform: see also england's 'enclosures' etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-18 15:27:33 asciilifeform: gregory5: imho this pov dooms author to nonsense right off the bat. the correct model is the 'stationary bandit' one of j.c.scott.
verisimilitude: We don't have much of a bicycle for the mind, but we have plenty of roadblocks for the mind.
verisimilitude: Don't stop there, asciilifeform, all property is usurpation.
asciilifeform: all metabolism is usurpation. iirc had the thrd.
verisimilitude: I don't hate the concept of the state.
asciilifeform: can 'hate' earthquakes, tornadoes similarly, dun do much
verisimilitude: I could whip the ocean, I wouldn't be the first.
verisimilitude: Back to Google, I've noticed something about the ``Googlers'' worth mocking.
bonechewer: re: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1081982, EasyDNS founder Mark Jeftovic can't match your "~20yrs", but did predict global internet fragmentation back in 2016
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 00:09:15 asciilifeform: at some pt ( asciilifeform & others warning folx for ~20y , it aint news ) will be 3 'internets' -- reich's, free world, and ad hoc sneakernet / pirate shortwave snail bridge b/w the 2.
verisimilitude: I've seen many discussions in which they clearly need a linked list, but then the ``experienced Googler'' says those are bad, and a vector has ``amortized O(1)'' insertion or such drivel. They get haughty over using just a few data structures.
verisimilitude: Vectors, hash tables, and bloom filters, who needs more?
bonechewer: Although (as befits a DNS guy) he focuses on the DNS root, not routing of packets
verisimilitude: Bloom filters are a nasty little structure that basically work well until they don't, similarly to hash tables.
verisimilitude: I don't see myself no longer renting VERISIMILITUDES.NET or other domains within the decade, bonechewer.
bonechewer: As long as your ICANN-managed domain doesn't threatend the reich, sure, it'll continue to be yours. Leviathan doesn't notice inconsequential gnats buzzing it.
bonechewer: But if you come to the attention of those in power, you'll get the PressTV.com treatment
bonechewer: Just today, in fact, .cz blocked some domains owned by the previous president's former spokesman, for being not harsh enough on Russia
verisimilitude: No, point to The Daily Stormer or Kiwi Farms.
verisimilitude: Both have had DNS issues.
bonechewer: The fact that the Daily Stormer still exists at a .name domain, owned by Verisign no less, tells you all you need to know about their usefulness to the powers that be
verisimilitude: That's one perspective on it.
verisimilitude: Kiwi Farms just laughs at retards and still has major issues just existing.
verisimilitude: Once a refined Pest be available, I intend to show it to the owner, Joshua Moon; I've told him before that trying to have a website in the face of such issues is a losing game, if only due to the protocols.
bonechewer: naah, there will be evolutionary solutions to website censorship before the layers that would be needed to make pest more than just an irc replacement could be built
bonechewer: I'm not smart enough to know what they are, but some sort of distributed hash table thing is a good bet
verisimilitude: His issue is he wants to be accessible to normal people, and show up in Google search results; both are a rigged game.
PeterL: bonechewer: why wait for when we need the tools, wouldn't it be better to build them now?
bonechewer: Normies are starting to notice how rigged Google search results are, and Brendan Eich is there with Brave search
bonechewer: PeterL: of course! People tell me good things about IPFS, too bad there is only a Go implementation
verisimilitude: He encourages his users to use Brave, yes.
verisimilitude: On that note, I enjoy seeing people bemoan how Brave purposefully makes it difficult to distinguish itself from Chrome. Supporting one WWW browser isn't good enough for the cretins, they also want to block the ``bad ones''.
bonechewer: verisimilitude: who do you see wanting to block Brave? got a link?
verisimilitude: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/1052 https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/issues/14041 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/4641
bonechewer: The first and third links are people wanting Brave to announce itself rather than calling itself Chrome as many browsers do, seemingly for reasons to do with their publisher compensation model. The second was some nut back in 2018 moaning about their ad blocking. These seem like isolated cases, not evidence of a trend.
verisimilitude: I couldn't find better examples quickly.
asciilifeform: 'brave' is lulzy scamware -- largely an attempt to push the built-in shitcoin.
asciilifeform used for coupla wks, in conjunction w/ traditional 'adblock' the '# ads blocked' counter offered by thing itself was in mere double digits
bonechewer: *shrug* "by their fruits shall ye know them" (tm)-- anything that takes Google's transparently political search engine down a peg is a net positive
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082224 << not tried, given as is 100% bluehairware
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:59:44 bonechewer: PeterL: of course! People tell me good things about IPFS, too bad there is only a Go implementation
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-05-19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you have an opinion on IPFS (distributed storage protocol, of sorts)? spoiler: reference implementation is in golang
bonechewer: yeah, if it is a serious protocol it will grow another implementation, or else be replaced with a protocol that has one
asciilifeform: ~decade and to this day strictly bluehair impls. imho says sumthing.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082221 << here's what'll be 'accessible to normalpeople'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:56:32 verisimilitude: His issue is he wants to be accessible to normal people, and show up in Google search results; both are a rigged game.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082219 << any solution that doesn't resolve to 'EVERY reader also mirrors' in fact serves enemy by drawing attention away from actual solutions.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:55:23 bonechewer: naah, there will be evolutionary solutions to website censorship before the layers that would be needed to make pest more than just an irc replacement could be built
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-01-21 16:37:28 asciilifeform: as for encryption -- 99+% of what's 'out there' in the sense of 'readable by plebe armed w/ google' was written specifically to ensure that actual crypto aint there when you in fact do need it.
asciilifeform: ditto any 'solution' lacking a concept of wot and thereby preserving ddosism as a concept.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082234 << the thing these 'fruits' all have in common is that they ~prop up~ google et al, rather than 'pushing down', by displacing oxygen from even mere possibility of actual solutions.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 16:20:15 bonechewer: *shrug* "by their fruits shall ye know them" (tm)-- anything that takes Google's transparently political search engine down a peg is a net positive
bonechewer: how a competitor to Google props Google up is not clear. In the limit where Brave Search takes 80% of the market share that is now Google's, does that prop up Google? Does Google then prop up Altavista?
asciilifeform also has yet to encounter even 1 which doesn't push some form of sslism
asciilifeform: bonechewer: the way crapple propped up (and in fact kept on life support by) microshit in 1990s
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-05-25 asciilifeform: has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc
bonechewer: The fact that evolutionary changes are lower risk and cheaper than revolutionary ones, and therefore are more common than the latter, is hardly an earthshaking revelation
asciilifeform: bonechewer: 'low risk', 'cheap', and all around great except for the part where it actually does 0 against the folx with 1e9 ddos nodes and ssl masterkeys.
bonechewer: Certainly if Brendan Eich turns out to be an enemy agent, your take would be well-founded; but I credit the guy with sincerity
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 03:13:39 cdd: asciilifeform: Been reading this article on your historic gentoo distfiles. I was reading some of the comments, specifically the reply to an "anonymous" user. I think I get what you mean now.
asciilifeform: plenty of vehehery sincere ignoramuses pushing moar vigorously than any paid agent could hope to
asciilifeform: incidentally a usd moneybag is reich agent unless proven (lol) innocent.
asciilifeform: you dun get to keep 'your' usgcorp unless play ball.
bonechewer: The reich tried to cancel Eich and partly succeeded; I think he's out for revenge
asciilifeform: 'revenge while wainot also make some dough pushing a shitcoin' eh lol
bonechewer: If you demand 100% lily-pure ideological purity from fellow travelers, never gonna have a revolution
asciilifeform: bonechewer: dun tell me yer holding breath for 'revolution' lol
asciilifeform: bonechewer: if interested in subj, tho, read up on what was lenin's 'superpower'
bonechewer: In '70s sovok, one standard dissident toast was "to our hopeless cause", as you should well know. But some refused to drink to it.
asciilifeform: aaha, and then all of these folx spread legs wiiiide for usg
asciilifeform: drinkers & nondrinkers together
billymg: !c help
crawlerbot: billymg: my valid commands are: src, uptime, version, help, trb-status
bonechewer: Well, who else did they have to surrender to?
billymg: ok, let's see if this works...
billymg: !c trb-status
crawlerbot: Global TRB Nodes Active in the Last 48hrs: 14
crawlerbot: Canada: 1; Romania: 1; Singapore: 1; Lithuania: 1; France: 1; United States: 8; Norway: 1;
crawlerbot: 188.8.131.52:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725785 - last probed: 2m ago - peers returned: 218
crawlerbot: 184.108.40.206:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 78
crawlerbot: 220.127.116.11:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725785 - last probed: 2m ago - peers returned: 55
crawlerbot: 18.104.22.168:8333 - Alive, v=88888, h=725782 - last probed: 36m ago - peers returned: 52
crawlerbot: 22.214.171.124:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 51
crawlerbot: 126.96.36.199:8333 - Alive, v=70001, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 48
crawlerbot: 188.8.131.52:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 45
crawlerbot: 184.108.40.206:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 44
crawlerbot: 220.127.116.11:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 36
crawlerbot: 18.104.22.168:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725785 - last probed: 2m ago - peers returned: 17
crawlerbot: 22.214.171.124:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725782 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 17
crawlerbot: 126.96.36.199:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=725720 - last probed: 35m ago - peers returned: 11
crawlerbot: 188.8.131.52:8333 - Alive, v=99999, h=408671 - last probed: 33m ago - peers returned: None
billymg: needs country rank sorting
billymg: i guess i should list the country beside each node as well
asciilifeform: billymg: nifty
asciilifeform: this strictly trb, or trb-compat. also ?
billymg: asciilifeform: those results are trb only, but could add a command or make it an argument to show trb-compat as well
billymg: this doesn't poll in realtime, just queries the db (hence the 'last-probed')
bonechewer: what makes a noad trb-compatible?
billymg: the country stats are taken from the new time series table, which gets updated every 6 hours in a cron job (which only queries the main table to collect some aggregate stats)
billymg: so could potentially say 14 noads (+1 from last week), but isn't terribly exciting
bonechewer: thanks billymg! but what are the practical implications? what is the crux of the incompatibility with other versions?
bonechewer: upstack: as far as "militias" being the same sort of honeypot for idiots as is "tor", of course asciilifeform and I have no disagreement
bonechewer: But if Brave and its shitcoins degrade the enemy's wealth and scope, I will cheer them on while waiting for a revolutionary replacement
billymg: bonechewer: it represents compatibility with tacked-on "soft fork" "features" (from what i understand). so trb, by this definition, the least compatible
bonechewer: note that by contract 'tor' strengthens the enemy (gives the enemy-run exit nodes rich traffic to monitor for phree)
bonechewer: *by contrast
asciilifeform: billymg, bonechewer : not only, but breaks peer list in various ways; often enuff deliberately ignores trb nodes (which dun advertise support for various prb rubbish); throws headersfirstisms, bloomfilterisms, & other garbage which often enuff banned by flagship-build trb noades immed.
bonechewer: and equally 'militias' provide the enemy a useful bogeyman to justify moar tax $$$ and more internal surveillance of those dangerous militia sorts
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-01 12:04:37 asciilifeform: worth noting that the star topologists quite deliberately cultivate this confusion (i.e. b/w p2p wot and gestapo automation). for rather obvious aim of stoking anonytardism.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 17:30:31 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064161 << even there what you ~actually~ want is pseudonymity, not anonymity
bonechewer: as far as DDOS defense, there are good evolutionary steps. path.net IPs are three bucks a month through resellers, and work adequately against multiple Tbps of flood
bonechewer: alas, no Level 7 protection
asciilifeform: bonechewer: 'filtering' does 0 against 1e9 bots.
asciilifeform: (even in principle. how distinguish 'bot' from 'human' ?)
asciilifeform: the entire central-server-talks-to-erry-reader intrinsic model of www is braindamaged.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 19:55:00 verisimilitude: I use Namecheap, how wonderful: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 16:32:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082219 << any solution that doesn't resolve to 'EVERY reader also mirrors' in fact serves enemy by drawing attention away from actual solutions.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
asciilifeform: loaded a page ? serve it up to yer peers. peer loaded a page? mirror it. and so on, recurse.
asciilifeform: ... and no need to remind asciilifeform that this 'would never' 'catch on' with roomtemp iqs. certainly won't, and certainly drops the attempt to maintain illusion that 'errything is accessible to erryone all of the time'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 15:53:09 verisimilitude: Once a refined Pest be available, I intend to show it to the owner, Joshua Moon; I've told him before that trying to have a website in the face of such issues is a losing game, if only due to the protocols.
bonechewer: yes, it's exciting and promising-- and will take a long while to build, during which time I'm glad path.net is making effective DDOS so much more expensive
asciilifeform: bonechewer: best ddos pill atm aint even whatever.net but simply to fucking mirror things
asciilifeform: y'know, like in 1990s.
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled plain old mirroring.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-27 21:38:34 asciilifeform: (ftr my copy was made via 'wget -e robots=off -r --mirror --page-requisites --convert-links --span-hosts --domains trilema.com http://trilema.com' .)
asciilifeform: if you give a damn about some pg -- mirror.
bonechewer: yes, in a time when e.g. .cz is blocking domains for being insufficiently anti-Russia, some sort of large-scale auto-mirroring would be A++
asciilifeform: if give two damns -- mirror periodically in cron.
bonechewer does this for two domains of interest
bonechewer: would love an automated solution to do this for over9000 such, because human attention doesn't scale
asciilifeform: observe, this doesn't req ~any~ new/exotic softs.
asciilifeform: cron + 3ln of perl lol
PeterL: are there even 9000 sites that deserve to be mirrored?
asciilifeform: subjective neh
asciilifeform: the mirrorer decides what to mirror
verisimilitude: I'd prefer any of you only mirror my website if I were to die any time soon.
verisimilitude: That's for a public mirror, anyway.
bonechewer: sadly one of the websites I mirror is exactly because the author died prematurely
verisimilitude: Anyone who does mirror my website would do well to mirror the Gopher Hole as well, which is generally better.
signpost: asciilifeform: apologies in advance for the source, but this may entertain https://twitter.com/peterliakhov/status/1499341576518217730
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082055 << this has been my point in this thread, that "white" is just a political definition of caste system strata that drifts as needs shift.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 11:10:07 PeterL: lumping people together as "white" is hard to define and not very helpful
signpost: need cheap italians in your factories? not white. later, suddenly white!
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 11:34:04 mats: whiteness in usa changes depending on which year you live in
signpost: and its role in the economic caste system is perhaps no more obvious than among asians.
verisimilitude: Yes, tell me when negroes suddenly become white, except in Argentina apparently, signpost.
signpost: some... inflect "black", others... "white"
signpost: verisimilitude: you have little life experience beyond your keyboard. there's no reason I should put effort into teaching you anything.
verisimilitude: That's not true, but whatever.
signpost: ftr your output doesn't bother me because it's "racist", but because it's pleading for elitism it does not merit.
verisimilitude: Prejudice is the child of experience, signpost.
signpost: don't quote pithily at me
signpost: you speak like a 14 year old describing sex he has never had.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082082 << I see it otherwise, that it eventually decays into the ethnic homogeneity becoming an excuse for *not actually bothering to be great*
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 11:46:07 billymg: what's nice about an ethnostate is the shared values, not the shared skin tone. countries where btc is the legal tender will attract people with shared values, hopefully creating new ideostates
signpost: see the "grass eater" phenomenon in japan, for example.
signpost: or verisimilitude here, who I'd put decent odds on actually being half polack, or similar.
signpost: most entertaining case of this was that weev guy, who iirc was a jew!
signpost: to credit the point behind billymg's use of "ethnostate", *ideological* homogeneity is certainly a necessary component of a functioning society.
signpost: hopefully tools of decentralization make it easier to find and aggregate ideological compatibles in the future.
signpost: curious if folks are familiar with the Tulsa race massacre of 1921.
signpost: in summary, a dubious claim of a white woman being dishonored under circumstances that she might've invited resulted in the murder, arson, and general destruction of a thriving black town known as the "black wall st"
signpost: I would take the inhabitants of this town over any walmart-fed degenerate white "person", and it's telling that this town couldn't be allowed to exist.
signpost: at any rate, since blacks have historically existed at the bottom of the american caste system, as jews/slavs/etc in the european one, they are oppressed by the middle-caste as has always been its duty.
signpost: verisimilitude is signaling his status as a middle-caste slave with his nazi racial theory fantasies, lest he be lowered further.
signpost: and don't worry sweetheart, you will be lowered further. we all will.
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082375 << agree completely. i want an ideostate not an ethnostate
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-04 00:25:18 signpost: I would take the inhabitants of this town over any walmart-fed degenerate white "person", and it's telling that this town couldn't be allowed to exist.
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 16:48:58 billymg: anyway, not speaking of feasibility, but more of desireability. i want an ideostate with e.g. the folks in here and similar. don't care about skin color or weekend hobbies
billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082376 << in more recent times i think it's the middle-caste chair warmers in coastal cities who are allowed to oppress and feel superior to the "redneck truckers" in "flyover" country
bitbot: Logged on 2022-03-04 00:26:38 signpost: at any rate, since blacks have historically existed at the bottom of the american caste system, as jews/slavs/etc in the european one, they are oppressed by the middle-caste as has always been its duty.
signpost: billymg: yeah, and then the trucker caste says "hey man, at least I ain't no neeger" and this is supposed to mean something.
signpost: said the furniture to the carpet, you know?
signpost: FBI's war against black power movements in the 70s intensified dramatically when latter started telling poor of other groups, "listen, you might not be so aryan yourself"
signpost: likewise the banker class loves it when idiots like verisimilitude start talking about "international jewry"
signpost: I would like to understand how J P Morgan, Charles Merrill, Edumnd Lynch, Amadeo Giannini, Hugh McColl, etc etc made it into those ranks.
signpost: this is not meant to be an exhaustive list; I got bored pulling up founders of megabanks.
signpost: whatever peasant religions keep these standing, all the better.
vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-28#1081448 SWIM told me they take off a bit of manganese etc when the need arises
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-02-28 15:31:41 signpost: they pop by to refuel on water, and depart a seemingly uninhabited planet.
vex: In reality, I say, it's good to see a messgae from BingoBoingo. I was begiining to wonder if you got beamed up.
mats: definitely avoiding deep water for the rest of my life
signpost: vex: plenty of useful substances to slurp up, I imagine.
vex: gotta hide em deep in the crust
signpost: mats: my barber was giving me chuckles yesterday with her insistence that THEY are from the deep ocean.
mats: wonder who ded next
signpost: we talking people or countries?
mats: b-a alum
vex: next? who died?
vex looks around nervously
signpost: mats: link?
signpost: oh, you're discussing mp
signpost: thought another had croaked.
vex: Proper Vodka is dissappearing from shelves here. I might be okay
signpost: in which vex dries out due to ww3
vex: Thanks mate, now I'm worried
vex: without linking the log. mats, you called Cantonese obscure?
vex: It's diffucult to know when people are being funny
mats: there's really not many cantonese pods
mats: believe me, i've listened to them all
mats: whereas i'd die before i finished the mando content
vex: perhaps the guy from sacramento could chuck a mic up somewhere, no doubt they're shooting the breeze nonstop
vex: all my childhood toys had written made in taiwan. I wonder now whether they ever bothered to change the english
vex: or rather when
vex: dpb, you're safe from mat's hex right?