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whaack: !e view-height
trbexplorer: block_height: 720476
trbexplorer: mins_since_last_block: 15
whaack: still no reorgs afaik
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076608 << msgs from direct peers, from receiver's pov, always authentic (and fork which contradicts'em -- bogus)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 23:45:38 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-24#1075838 << ok, so if blue(b) speaks after green has stored yellow as designated blue relayer, it will show up as "blue-fake1" or watever in greens console? (even tho direct peer) while messages from blue(a) will show up as just "blue".
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 23:45:43 jonsykkel: wat then happens if blue(a) unpeers yellow and peers with red instead? and starts talking
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076611 << on ea. of the merged nets, stations would see 'their' blue as the authentic one.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-25 23:45:46 jonsykkel: also in original case entire net will agree on whos real blue guy. wat if 2 nets with no collisions yet merge where net1 agrees that blue(a) is real guy and net2 agrees on blue(b)?
asciilifeform: ('their' being the 1 which had spoken on that net 1st.)
asciilifeform: nao what's not clear to asciilifeform is whether the proposed rule actually achieves this.
jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-26#1076616 << green will at first store yellow as designated relayer for blue, but then if his direct peer blue talks then that is new genuine blue?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 10:05:54 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076608 << msgs from direct peers, from receiver's pov, always authentic (and fork which contradicts'em -- bogus)
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: correct
jonsykkel: (from greens perspective)
jonsykkel: i see
jonsykkel: so idea is that entire net doesnt necessarily agree on who owns x handle, just that an individual pestron is able to auto resolve l2+ forks?
asciilifeform: correct. i.e. the scheme doesn't actually satisfy asciilifeform's orig. condition .
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-23 23:56:22 asciilifeform: applies (unless asciilifeform miscalculates) recursively, to enforce '1st user owns the handle' across the pestnet.
jonsykkel: aight
asciilifeform: nor even the weakened variant of same
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 12:10:30 asciilifeform: the fundamental unsolved problem atm is in fact ~distinguishing~ multiple l2+ stations speaking w/ same handle.
jonsykkel: cant this be done using teh chains?
asciilifeform: this -- would, but can't think of any way to do it.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 15:06:55 asciilifeform: if one could fit e.g. a lamport sig in there, there'd be no headache.
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: a fundamental problem w/ the chains is that there's no fork until the original speaks up and skips the bogus.
asciilifeform: (and that it may well be the bogus who constructs his msg to skip the original's)
asciilifeform: the ideal unobtainium would be, as described in linked thrd, if erry msg in fact contained a pubkey with which its successor must be signed. but there aint a pubkey cryptosystem that would work here, what with keys & sigs having to fit in ~32bytes, and, most importantly, operate at cpu expense comparable to that of a coupla hashes
jonsykkel: so this is strictly a problem in case of malicious variant of fork
jonsykkel: (2 diff continuations of same chain)
jonsykkel: and not 2 parallel chains of ppl that just happened to use same handle
jonsykkel: i feel like shud be terms to distinguish these
jonsykkel: i see i see
asciilifeform: the other, orthogonal problem, is that there's no way to distinguish the speakers if they're l3+
asciilifeform: err, l2+
asciilifeform: and relayed by same peer
asciilifeform: can distinguish by chains, if and only if there's actually a fork
asciilifeform: if it weren't for the fact that impostor can extend existing chain, one could simply declare 'well behaved station won't relay fork msgs'. but of course he can extend it, and so the chain would be entirely worthless info, as the orig. could not then 'hey, that wasn't me'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 12:20:19 thimbronion: So the only person who could identify a counterfeit station would be the original station - because, hey - that wasn't me!
jonsykkel: so wat u realy need is non-onetime sig on evry msg
asciilifeform: can be 1time, but gotta be unforgeable by 3rd party
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 15:21:04 asciilifeform: hears an l3 msg before you do, and forges it.
asciilifeform: i.e. lamport, but somehow fitting in 32bytes.
asciilifeform considered variants where Speaker is 64bytes, with only the bottom 32 representing displayed handle, and the top 32 -- pointing to his 1st msg. but not come up with a variant which actually wins -- for one thing, multiple parties can still trivially extend that chain
jonsykkel: gotta read up on lamport
asciilifeform: (for anuther, msgs aint forward-linked, so one couldn't getdata ~forward~ from the 'birth' msg)
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: asciilifeform's piece re subj. prolly not worth the time, tho, lamport's scheme is unusable here
asciilifeform: it needs 2 hashes in the public key for erry ~bit~ of the material to be signed, and 1 equivalently massive string in the signature for erry such bit
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 14:56:21 asciilifeform: let's repost:
asciilifeform: ^ scheme where in fact dr.evil cannot extend yer chain while you're out at sea. but he can do so ~while you're transmitting~ if yer msgs transit his station, which is equally annoying
asciilifeform will bbl
jonsykkel: right
jonsykkel: intresting problem
asciilifeform: thinking about the linked thread further : under that scheme, dr.evil is in fact forced to fork your chain if he wants to impersonate you.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. yes, he has all of your 'A', with the exception of that of the ~last~ msg you sent. so can't forge a successor to ~that~ one, meaning that he gotta withhold it
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 14:56:42 asciilifeform: A -- is the S from that station's prev. message .
asciilifeform: but if he aint a bottleneck b/w you and yer l3+ -- the yer genuine last msg. will reach yer l3+.
jonsykkel: but he can make single message fork
asciilifeform: which can then accept the longest chain (i.e. yours).
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: right, but it aint of your ~last~ transmitted msg
jonsykkel: i mean single message that apparently is not fork
asciilifeform: cuz he dun know the 'A' for your last msg.
asciilifeform: ergo, l3+ stations who witness your last msg, will detect the forgery.
asciilifeform: (immediately)
jonsykkel: indeed, assuming last msg arrives. which only doesnt happen if drevil only link
shinohai: for lulz i built smalpest for armv7 jonsykkel .... runs a++
jonsykkel: cool stuf, soon can have pestron on shitdroid fone!
shinohai: thats what i tried it on, some chinesium phone the girls had.
shinohai loves that static c makes it a snap to xfer this to any device .....
shinohai: blatta took a bit of of fiddling with python2.7 in termux, but station is running from phone atm
jonsykkel: would xpect to compile most anywhere, exeption being where the coupel of posixs stuffs dont exist
jonsykkel: thats cool
shinohai: Death drones with pest stations inside, wen ?
whaack: shinohai: what is termux?
jonsykkel: waiting for pest on iot fridge
shinohai: whaack: it's a terminal emulator for android.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-26#1076682 << the next thing is to figure out how oughta behave if chain break.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 11:19:35 jonsykkel: indeed, assuming last msg arrives. which only doesnt happen if drevil only link
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-26#1076685 << pest per se, or simply irctron plugged into same ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 11:27:03 shinohai: thats what i tried it on, some chinesium phone the girls had.
shinohai: asciilifeform: is running blatta (seen in top) and can connect to irc using weechat or raw cmds via nc
asciilifeform doesn't see wai to put station on the proverbial toaster, but nuffin wrong w/ it for so long as you understand that it's effectively a winblows box, i.e. randos may have access to the keyz
asciilifeform: ... for that matter, somebody somewhere will eventually insist on running his station from winblows. can't stop him, but it'll be 'its own punishment'
shinohai: kind of beauty of it tho, if ya want it built into samovar, can haz.
asciilifeform: if yer samovar has a nic and a pentium, can.
jonsykkel: would never consider anything less than quadcore samovar
shinohai has an antique samovar now named Mircea Potpescu for this purpose ....
asciilifeform: shinohai: will be interesting to try w/ that pnoje once nat drilling actually implemented
asciilifeform: ( as asciilifeform understands, currently you'll only have working peerings in own lan, on that thing )
shinohai: I think so too. I like the idea of using it as an "offensive" device, take it places, see what the pest station picks up ....
asciilifeform: in what sense 'picks up' ?
asciilifeform: w/out nat drilling, will simply sit there
asciilifeform: ( or does yer telco actually give out usable external ip ? )
shinohai: sure, its not ready for doing anything useful yet
shinohai turns on camera while pet #1 is in shower, connect to NaughtyPest for only 0.0025 BTC!
asciilifeform: shinohai: w/ current blatta, theoretically you'll be able to peer with folx who aint nat'd even from that pnoje
asciilifeform: worth a test
shinohai: ^ thx, will test this
jonsykkel: tried this from my shity gsm conection once without sucess but cant remember exact results of experiment
asciilifeform: w/ a 0xfa blatta, ~2~ pnojes in principle will peer if both already sitting on given pestnet
shinohai: I have not tries via the 4/5G connection, it only has wifi :/
asciilifeform: also worth to test w/ conventional box hanging off wifi of 'tethered' pnoje. double-nat.
asciilifeform: theoretically still oughta work w/ current blatta and a nat-less peer
asciilifeform: to round off upstack thread -- dr.evil not only must fork, if he wants to forge, but must withhold all subsequent msgs from the original, or even folx who hear the victim only through him will discover the boojum
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 11:19:35 jonsykkel: indeed, assuming last msg arrives. which only doesnt happen if drevil only link
asciilifeform: ... so imho, that scheme still probably best approach so far.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 14:56:28 asciilifeform: so, for the sake of argument: suppose that (at the expense of payload) a message gets 2 new h256 fields : call'em Q and A ;
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 14:56:35 asciilifeform: Q is H(message, incl. A; and a 32-byte turd, S, not included in the msg.)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 14:56:42 asciilifeform: A -- is the S from that station's prev. message .
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 15:04:00 asciilifeform: ... to wrap up upstack: if H(M_prev + A_current) != Q_prev : you have a bogon.
asciilifeform: ... then, instead of alarming on forks per se, station alarms on any msg w/ given $speaker which aint the tip of the longest known chain for that $speaker.
asciilifeform: if you ~have~ (or were able to getdata) the msg.prev of a given msg, by selfchain, and H(msg.prev + msg.A) != msg.prev.Q -- you simply throw out msg.
asciilifeform: if you ~don't~ have it (and getdata for it dun succeed within interval 'Tw', you display e.g. '?asciilifeform: i eat bugs!' instead of 'asciilifeform: i eat bugs!'
asciilifeform: now the tricky case if if you have what appears to be the contig. chain, but it turns out that you were being duped by dr.evil, and nao you've finally received the tip of the ~oldest~ (what you actually want, rather than 'longest') chain.
asciilifeform: seems that the logical thing to do, there, would be to walk the 'orphaned' (dr.evil's bogus) chain, and display e.g. 'bogus: <time>:<asciilifeform>:i eat bugs!' etc. for each msg. in the discarded chain
asciilifeform: (in a fyootoor non-irctronic client, could simply mark'em up in the scrollback log)
asciilifeform: with the above logic, operators no longer need to concern selves w/ forks and their resolution, near as asciilifeform can tell
asciilifeform: to complete the algo, if you had the <?..nick..> thing going , and then finally received the getdata response which fills the chain gap, can go back similarly to the 'bogon list' above, and display ea. of the 'unorphaned' msgs w/out the ? mark.
asciilifeform: ^ thimbronion jonsykkel et al ^
asciilifeform: the 1 down side, afaik (aside from biting off a further 64bytes from payload) -- is that if you somehow lose yer last 'A', and still want l2+ stations to hear you, will have to change yer handle.
asciilifeform: this however is inevitable. 'don't lose it.'
asciilifeform: and of course dr.evil can still forge msgs in transit, so long as 1) he remembers, for all time, to withhold all further upstream ones 2) he is willing to be that his upstream victim has no other paths to the downstream dupes
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 11:59:18 asciilifeform: to round off upstack thread -- dr.evil not only must fork, if he wants to forge, but must withhold all subsequent msgs from the original, or even folx who hear the victim only through him will discover the boojum
asciilifeform suspects that this is the closest we're gonna get to a general solution, unless somebody somehow comes up with the unobtainium from earlier thrd.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 10:38:05 asciilifeform: i.e. lamport, but somehow fitting in 32bytes.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 10:05:54 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076608 << msgs from direct peers, from receiver's pov, always authentic (and fork which contradicts'em -- bogus)
asciilifeform: i.e. 'your' (l1) bozo is still 'your' bozo even if he loses his 'A'.
asciilifeform: (but his l2+ would tune him out)
asciilifeform puts down microphone, will wait for q's/comments before attempting to stuff this in 0xfa
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 12:23:03 asciilifeform: and of course dr.evil can still forge msgs in transit, so long as 1) he remembers, for all time, to withhold all further upstream ones 2) he is willing to be that his upstream victim has no other paths to the downstream dupes
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I'm attempting to grok - will see if I can formulate any questions
asciilifeform: thimbronion: ty, a++
asciilifeform: thimbronion: dun hesitate to ask to elaborate.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: current notion, summarized: we bite off 64byte from payload, and get 2 new fields, call'em 'unlock' and 'lock'. lock == h256(errything else in msg, incl. 'unlock', and unrevealed 32byte turd 'S'.); unlock = 'S' from yer previous msg.
asciilifeform: if yer station is in a state of chain breakage (i.e. a getdata failed) and you can't fetch that prev msg for $speaker, you display him as e.g. 'asciilifeform-?: ...'
asciilifeform: (supposing asciilifeform is not in yer l1)
asciilifeform: if you ~have~ that prev.msg but you saw a fork (i.e. branching off selfchain wise from not-the-last msg w/ that speaker; or 'unlock' didn't match the prev. msg's lock) you display e.g. 'asciilifeform-2-1234: ...' where '2' is # of chain (if this is e.g. 2nd) and 1234 is the nth msg on that chain
asciilifeform: no need to try to 'resolve' forks, they're all nao distinguishable
asciilifeform: i.e. when you get l2+ hearsay which continues (properly, incl. 'unlock's) ~oldest~ chain, you see 'asciilifeform: ...'
asciilifeform: ^ all of above applies strictly to hearsays.
asciilifeform: if yer log has no breaks, you have selfchains going back to 'birth' for yer l2+ speakers, and most recent 'lock' for each (i.e. in the last msg received w/ that $speaker)
asciilifeform: ( if not obv. here -- selfchain covers all fields, incl. 'unlock' , of prev. msg )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 18:48:29 asciilifeform: thimbronion: current notion, summarized: we bite off 64byte from payload, and get 2 new fields, call'em 'unlock' and 'lock'. lock == h256(errything else in msg, incl. 'unlock', and unrevealed 32byte turd 'S'.); unlock = 'S' from yer previous msg.
asciilifeform: if yer able to emit a valid 'unlock' for $message, this demonstrates either a) yer the 1 who sent $message , or b) yer [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-26#1076745][dr.evil, gambling on being a permanent bottleneck b/w 2 sub-pestnets, and forging a e.g. 'asciilifeform: you all eat bugs, fuckoff'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 12:23:03 asciilifeform: and of course dr.evil can still forge msgs in transit, so long as 1) he remembers, for all time, to withhold all further upstream ones 2) he is willing to be that his upstream victim has no other paths to the downstream dupes
asciilifeform: if yer able to emit a valid 'unlock' for $message, this demonstrates either a) yer the 1 who sent $message , or b) yer dr.evil, gambling on being a permanent bottleneck b/w 2 sub-pestnets, and forging a e.g. 'asciilifeform: you all eat bugs, fuckoff'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 12:23:03 asciilifeform: and of course dr.evil can still forge msgs in transit, so long as 1) he remembers, for all time, to withhold all further upstream ones 2) he is willing to be that his upstream victim has no other paths to the downstream dupes
asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : lemme know if makes 100% sense.
asciilifeform: for completeness: if yer ~unable~ to emit a valid 'unlock' for yer handle's prev.msg, yer either a) impostor, and fuckyou b) somebody whose pestnet just merged with anuther where there's a second 'you'. in which case is right & proper that yer orig. net sees you as $speaker and the new folx as $speaker-2 c) yer a poor bastard who blew away his hdd.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 10:07:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-25#1076611 << on ea. of the merged nets, stations would see 'their' blue as the authentic one.
asciilifeform: (c) will drink bitter cup, of either switching handles or being 'bozo-2' to his l2+ 4evah
asciilifeform: (b) in principle need not do anyffing in particular
asciilifeform: (a) eats shit, as he's perma-distinguishable from the genuine article, except if he can cultivate a 'pet' sub-pestnet where he's the chokepoint b/w them & yours, and he's willing to impersonate $speaker erry day
asciilifeform: (the subterfuge collapses if the victims manage to receive a new, valid msg on the oldest chain)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 11:59:18 asciilifeform: to round off upstack thread -- dr.evil not only must fork, if he wants to forge, but must withhold all subsequent msgs from the original, or even folx who hear the victim only through him will discover the boojum
asciilifeform: ... for l1 (i.e. peers), can ignore lock/unlock, or possibly emit brief warning if peer's msg broke chain ('hey, didja format yer hdd?')
asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : afaik ^ that's the whole thing.
asciilifeform: ^ ~all of this reduces to asciilifeform's algo from september , where (imho wrongly) declared it to be a dud
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 15:10:22 asciilifeform: either that, or -- from asciilifeform's chalkboard -- erry message includes 2 additional 256bit fields . one is H256(R) where R is a rng turd. the other is the R from previous.
asciilifeform: currently thinking it's the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: observe that, while dr.evil can forge historic msgs from $speaker, all it takes to fuck him is for 1 station on his net to discover 1 older msg. from $speaker (and be convinced that it in fact is older. conceivably he could 'plato's cave' an entire bogus history of the known universe, and fool ~somebody~)
asciilifeform: dr.evil can set up his faux chain to seem 'oldest' to a new peer who relies 100% on his station for log catchup (via getdata). but if sees the genuine article (via sumbody else) 1st -- then no dice.
asciilifeform: this is similar to the 'trb in cave' problem.
asciilifeform: i.e. currently someone ~could~ in principle feed you an alt-2009...2022 set of blox. (is harder, on acct of pow, but not impossible)
asciilifeform: in the proposed pest, naturally you dun have pow. all you have is yer wot, and yer trusting its logs not to be a 'cave' , yes.
asciilifeform: ... all this w/ no long-term keys and no bignums. the only seekrits yer storing are your peer keys, 1 'S' for yer last broadcast, and 1 'S' per direct peer (for direct msgs.)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-24 12:07:18 asciilifeform: on top of which, asciilifeform ~likes~ that there aint long-term keys in pest. pubkey crypto oughta be manually operated, i.e. consciously triggered at appropriate occasions, rather than sumthing a rando can cause you to do when he pleases
asciilifeform: if you blow away yer station's hdd, you naturally will need to pgpgram yer peers & rekey. will lose yer 'S's, but 1) this won't affect yer direct peerings, and you'll need to poke'em anyway 2) if you give a strong fuck re what l2+ sees yer handle as, you make a new one.
asciilifeform must bbl.
whaack: PeterL: Small nit, maybe scoopbot should say "New article by _" instead of "New post on _"
asciilifeform: whaack: btw your arithmetic-puzzler doesn't seem to rng
asciilifeform: whaack: ( asciilifeform posted 2 comments, both had same puzzler )
vex: you could just change your hearder to whaack's super cool blog
vex: actually, i'm going to use that, with all the 1992 colours
asciilifeform: whaack: 1 'spoiler' -- a harden-segshit hardfork is factually equiv. to 'bch', and bombable via same algo.
asciilifeform: hence wainot happened yet, imho obv.
asciilifeform: hence wai asciilifeform quite convinced that segshitism would catch fire satisfyingly if the right 'thermite' could be found, i.e. mine a pile of blox where segshitolade is claimed.
asciilifeform: i.e. if make it impossible to carry on the pretense of 'softness'.
vex: why not test it?
asciilifeform: vex: go, test
vex: i don't understand seg
asciilifeform: all you need is a coupla $mil wortha hashes
vex: test it on a fork with diff 1
vex: or does one need to emulate other players?
asciilifeform: vex: it's a q re actual miners on the actual live chain, rather than the proggy. the only way to 'test' is to actually light that fire.
asciilifeform: it's rather similar to where e.fermi et al did not have a rigorous proof that 1st nuke wouldn't chain-fission planet3, atmosphere, ocean & all
asciilifeform: 'needs test'. tested.
asciilifeform: ( iirc the proof of it from 1st principles was finally derived in... 1990s. )
asciilifeform: anyways to date miner scum learned on own skin what happens when you try & fuck w/ orig. protocol, and in the process 'write phree cheque' to all hodlers, incl. 'dinosaurs'.
asciilifeform: $ticker bch btc
busybot: Current BCH price in BTC: $0.007835
vex: that was a fork right?
asciilifeform lulz at the apparent asymptotic neverending death of that thing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-11 08:07:42 busybot: Current BCH price in BTC: $0.0104
asciilifeform: vex: the original 'pushed from erry tv and clothes iron' fork
vex: ahh. I almost remember, what was the "sell immediately"! price? do you remember
asciilifeform: anyways^2 miners won't be lighting any such fires on their own. the q of wathappens if one were to light one ~for'em~ can only be answr'd empirically.
asciilifeform: what you'd get is a moar or less exact replay of the bch warz. and yes conceivable that it'd somehow come out to 'megablox win' if all the folx who dumped bch have since contracted brainworm and luvvv megablox and pine for 1000GB hearnblox and fullbore paypalization
asciilifeform: but not likely. hence wai no one fired 1st shot of this war yet.
vex: the foundation prolly had a capital gains event when it swapped for bc
asciilifeform: and when dust lands in the piggy also!11
asciilifeform: used to happen regularly
asciilifeform: (whatever happened to the 'dusters' ? not seen 1 in a while..)
asciilifeform must bbl
vex: no dice
vex: cya
signpost: https://archive.fo/7f2AG << with this days after RU central bank said "omg ban!", ain't no fucking way putin doesn't have a nice fat hodl
vex: re retroactive tax law, I can totally see that happening.
vex: yes diggity... bag it up
vex: bingoboingo, power up the 808, we're redoing blackstreet
signpost incidentally just got a recent roland box that includes decent 808 emu
vex: sweet
vex: anyone got an amiga?
vex: I'm imagining it ascending to ruski hardbass, then some pankkake style guitar thru a modtracker
signpost finds renoise a pretty good and faithful to old-school tracker.
vex: unfamiliar
signpost: I fart around with that now and again.
vex: ilet's make it a `10 min song that repeats erry 10 mins
vex: if we're withholding blocks, can even programme the outro
vex: china might ven wait to hear how it goes
whaack: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-01-27#1076804 < yes, and as i mention in the article, if the miners are SPV mining again, then it's very possible a single block can set off a permanent fork
bitbot: Logged on 2022-01-27 01:43:14 asciilifeform: hence wai asciilifeform quite convinced that segshitism would catch fire satisfyingly if the right 'thermite' could be found, i.e. mine a pile of blox where segshitolade is claimed.
signpost: even fragging the network into those that are and aren't would be entertaining and expose weakness.
vex: I'n completely different. I hope mats doesn't move to wallstreet
vex: or do. if your work precludes telling me what's up; I'll be more than a little sad
vex: what are we buying lng tankers?
vex: binance sent me packing. here's your coin, now bye
vex: idk what i did
vex: prolly too little.
vex: oh wait. oh fuck
vex: yeah
vex: no passport
vex: they do have a buterin compatible chain tho
vex: non huffers oughta know that it's considered to be the most spammy
vex: imo
thimbronion: asciilifeform: ok I think I get the basic concept. under the previous design, intermediaries could block and impersonate. However, now with S, only the original user of a handle can prove they sent the previous message. Perhaps a listing of all the scenarios would help clarify things in the spec.
vex: cunt's last vidya includes hunter who dies of butt cancer
vex: better to go bodysurfing in huge me thinks
vex: wallet inspector. nope
vex: we could stick a camera in your butt for 0.001 longer life expectancy. yea nah
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