esthlos: by the way hanbot , does the mp-wp come with the footnotes and spiffy-selection built in?
diana_coman: did anyone actually press the re-grind of mp-wp genesis ? (this: http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ )?
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ << lobbesblog - Mein Kompendium: mp-wp
mircea_popescu: (in case anyone's wondering WHY such a thing would even occur : it's because http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ ; and because the expectation that this works is ~so strong~ among the internet-moron-exploiters, they don't even bother to check that indeed mp-wp doesn't permit it. so they'll try and try and try to "ddos" this way.)
lobbes: this is the point huh? Goal should really be to answer question of 'can mp-wp run on rockchip?'
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829073 << after some investigation it appears that either mysql and/or php is the issue. In other words, stopping the mysql server (thus killing mp-wp) yields the ability load static 'non-mp-wp' pages that otherwise timeout when the server is running
mircea_popescu: ah, crapolade trying to spam. shouldn't really bring mp-wp down afaik.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827999 << a static mysql would be a thing in and of itself! could go in mp-wp too!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822354 << updated, but mp-wp_comments-fix also requires an updated. right now it's showing missing antecedents..
phf: i added a link on patch pages to "split hunks", which allows to render any patch the way mp-wp genesis is being rendered, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis?inlinep=false
spyked: so mp-wp is an operating system? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798159 could then make a great corollary to greenspun's thing)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-pclzip.php << 30+kloc reimplementation of pkzip
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-wp-filesystem-ssh2.php << check ~this~ out. attempt to reimplement... ssh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php#L23372 << lessee somebody prove this to have no false pos matches
asciilifeform: or, say, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820837 << good % is simply rubbish, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/import/utw.php
spyked: anyway, given my limited experience with wp (nowadays I just lul at the attackers from republic of moldova trying to gain wp-admin access for the old blog), I am ready to admit that mp-wp's may be the optimal permeability of this membrane. I was even tempted to switch to mp-wp, but I'm hoping to see trilema antispam implemented in Lisp at some point in the future.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820747 <-- I dun disagree at all. as far as the thought experiment goes, I still wonder, though, whether those edges of productivity follow from *all* the lines of mp-wp code and is more than the sum of each, or whether there's a lot of extra crud in there. perhaps overly naively/boyishly at the time, I started my (still ongoing) experiment the other way around ("what is the minimum number of lines to
phf: i ended up adding windows newline rendering support, which i'm rather pleased with, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess though the pressed version is still broken.. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/tree/blog/.htaccess
phf: asciilifeform: right, not all of the svgs have multiline base64. and you'll notice that some of the files have windows newlines. i think mp-wp codebase is the one that would benefit the most from the autoformat tool discussed in logs..
a111: Logged on 2018-06-05 18:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc.
phf: on the other hand http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_comments-fix is still rendered the usual way
phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 04:19 mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 17:36 mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820598 <-- indeed it does, and precisely because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820603 . I don't know how to design a proper comment mechanism, not necessarily because of spam (I believe mp-wp antispam works), but because I'm not convinced that everyone coming on the blog should be able to leave comments, and if they do, then what format (text-only?) etc.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue.
phf: just to clarify my blog is mp-wp, i just bastardized the theme to the point of "improvements" being worse than original
asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) )
phf: mp-wp is 162093 loc, 6062 of which are containered gif/png. so it's not even that base64 blobs are adding to weight. the codebase is massive
a111: Logged on 2018-06-02 20:02 mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820273 << hanbot's mp-wp genesis is 5.8 mb, i haven't yet figured out yet how to make btcbase not fall under the size. at the very least i need to add a caching layer, so that i'm not regenerating 5.8*n for the generated html every time
mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819437 << I documented most of what worked for me at http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ , and my portage settings are http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CY9Vy/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 05:56 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I left a comment on yer guide re: php5.6 shitgnomes deprecating mysql in favor of mysqli. (Should be in queue). This will be a boon indeed if we can string all the quirks of mp-wp-on-rockchip in one place
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thanks; looking forward to the rest of the walk to mp-wp at any rate (I can see the appeal of ligthtpd for sure)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819338 << ty, I plan on blogging the rest of the walk to mp-wp on the rockchip so it is on the shelf for future reference.
lobbes: seems indeed no mysql for /dev-lang/php (but then.. how did you get mp-wp working if mysqli evidently can't cut the mustard and no mysql O_o) >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/05/mp-wp-fix-for-comments-vpatch/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Fix for Comments vpatch
lobbes: the "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" sounds like we have the same issue. Either way, I've no solution yet myself. I figure if I can get mp-wp going with php 7.2 I guess I'll be satisfied for now
mod6: in a pinch -- you could always try to just : `patch -F 0 -E -p1 < mp-wp_genesis.vpatch` in some directory and just inflate the thing.
mod6: When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
douchebag: HEAD: mp-wp_genesis.vpatch not found in flow
douchebag: ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you could of course put in ye olde mp-wp page limiter, and give all the boecks a very sad surprise.
hanbot: danielpbarron still, it'd be great if we could merge dpb-wp with mp-wp and get something going.
hanbot: hey danielpbarron (or any other mp-wp users with 'classic' theme goin'), assuming you're using mp's antispam, wouldja mind pasting your themes/classic/comments.php for me so i can see how you're handling the $suffix? differs from the 'default' i'm using, but i'd like to include a fix for it in a comments patch.
hanbot: and that'll be mp-wp's first patch, eta this week.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 05:31 lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
lobbes: i.e. not yet figured out trb, because I've been working on mp-wp migration
mircea_popescu: that's mp-wp ?
lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: Mocky, my very good pleasure. mp-wp (as pressed by hanbot recently) may be useful to you.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
lobbes: Essentially would need it for various php-trons, mp-wp hosting, and irc bottage.
lobbes: Ugh, so my www on my frantech vps has been dog slow all day. Same vps that hosts lobbesbot, so possibly I have finally outgrown the thing (currently hosts bot, mp-wp, archived urls index, eulora price history, and various misc)
hanbot: well, left branch approach does exist; that's why i was even able to put up the mp-wp genesis, after all. as for fix, sure an eta'd be better than no eta. i'm just sayin', doesn't look much like a runner to me.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-25 19:48 phf: hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the inept way in which postgress handles this case is why mysql still official db for mp-wp
asciilifeform: hanbot: in http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis some of the linx are broken ( have mysterious chars in'em )
esthlos: hanbot: said I'd get back to you: getting mp-wp running was relatively painless, most of my issues were with LAMP. I wrote down most of what I did here: http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but i guess hacking up some of the trip pics into a theme for pizarro mp-wp can be your pet project << ascii_lander has been gathering quite the collection
mircea_popescu: but i guess hacking up some of the trip pics into a theme for pizarro mp-wp can be your pet project
esthlos: hanbot et al: my mp-wp seems borked: when trying to make a new post, the "tab" to switch to raw HTML is greyed out and does nothing, and HTML tags are ignored. Also, the visual editing features aren't showing at all. Any ideas?
esthlos: Trying to set up mp-wp on php-mysql interaction. Can anyone help me proceed? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HMc6z/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 06:53 ben_vulpes: hanbot must have some special sauce in her mp-wp
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 01:48 hanbot: on the mp-wp newsfront, i've a pressed genesis via phf's lastest leftwards/keccak vtools. am waiting on pizarro folks to get apache & mod_rewrite going so i can test it and see to the initial patches it'll need.
mircea_popescu: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis/ << interestingly enough, this still doesn't. what's the danielpbarron hanbot difference i wonder.
hanbot: http://thewhet.net << lastest post (mod_rewrite ergo links not yet live, or i'd link y'all directly) is mp-wp_genesis. esthlos and anyone else who was waiting on this is encouraged to test it out --setting up a test blog-within-a-blog is gonna be a royal pita and cause yet further delays, so please do try it out, lemme know how it goes.
mircea_popescu: it has nothing to do with apache ; let everyone who isn't hanbot fix their mp-wp
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-12 06:49 ben_vulpes: hanbot danielpbarron: apache with mod_php is, sadly, much slower than the nginx setup we've had until now. however now we can move forward with getting your .htaccess files set up and uploads and such. i'm going to knock off for now but please let me know how i can support your mp-wp projects next.
ben_vulpes: hanbot must have some special sauce in her mp-wp
mircea_popescu: i don't believe it's either apache or mysql. i expect is unhappy interaction between your ad-hoc dns mapping and mp-wp.
mircea_popescu: ah, lol. are you referencing the mp-wp as "localhost:800/whatever/index.php" ?
mircea_popescu: is your mp-wp isntall depending on eg a theme you don't have referencing images that don't exist or w/e ?\
ben_vulpes: 2.7 to serve the index.php from my copy of mp-wp
ben_vulpes: okay now for the next wtf: phpinfo returns instantly, i can open a database connection from php and query for the number of tables, but when i use the mp-wp index.php shit slows to a 2.7 second crawl
hanbot: on the mp-wp newsfront, i've a pressed genesis via phf's lastest leftwards/keccak vtools. am waiting on pizarro folks to get apache & mod_rewrite going so i can test it and see to the initial patches it'll need.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795174 <-- I wrapped those into pre tags, but it seems they got parsed anyway. replacing all < with < and crossing my fingers; but if mp-wp has some other way of rendering math, lemme know.
ben_vulpes: so here's a wonder: apache for some reason takes 2.2 seconds to serve an mp-wp file that nginx can cough up in ten ms; even though both are nominally passing the same files over to php fpm pools
mircea_popescu: https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1 << this tard just spent 5k words to dance about "solutions" to a problem he imagines, and somehow magically never landing on "pop up a server and put mp-wp on it ; it'll do pingbacks and that's that."
a111: Logged on 2018-04-07 01:24 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793747 << http://thewhet.net/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch
mircea_popescu: hanbot : file -bi reports "text/x-diff; charset=us-ascii", which seems proper ; however awk -vFS="" '{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++)w[$i]++}END{for(i in w) print i,w[i]}' 'mp-wp_genesis.vpatch' spits out http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YQn0g/?raw=true which shows the problem -- you got a buncha garbage single-occurence chars in there.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:19 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful
hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
phf: mircea_popescu: let's revisit this question in a couple of days, i'll give it some thought too. i want to finish regrind in the next day before hanbot is done with standing up her mp-wp instance
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu: people are wanting to get an mp-wp --is my understanding of the situation correct, ie proablem i had with making vdiff --> proablem with v itself --> folks are reformulating these?
phf: hanbot: note that http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-vpatch/#selection-147.0-192.0 i'm going to fix it by wednesday, but if you can give me an unsigned rough draft of a keccak mp-wp.vpatch before then, i'll be able to use it as a test
a111: Logged on 2018-03-18 00:30 hanbot: speaking of which, i'll have a genesis of mp-wp up this coming week.
lobbes: as promised, my own compendium of mp-wp notes: http://lobbesblog.com/blog/2018/03/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/
ben_vulpes: well once we have hanbot up and running with an mp-wp produced from her patches i'll move this over to that setup
mircea_popescu: in fact, there is a TON of work for a competent art guy. eulora needs stuff ; i want to get a porny comic off the ground ; mp-wp needs theme work...
lobbes: Post detailing my own compendium of notes to come prolly tonight. Aim is for it to supplement hanbot's existing compendium (e.g. will include notes on how to prime mysql and wp-config.php for mp-wp's auto table-creation process)
mircea_popescu: note that eg trilema (mp-wp, w/e) takes steps to mitigate this. by for instance not permitting html entities in user contributed fields, see ?
mircea_popescu: now on to the issue of the vps. is pizarro coming up with something in short enough order it's worth having the whole genesis mp-wp wait on it, or rather should more business go away and hanbot pick herself yet another rando vps host ?
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 13:28 ave1: Turns out that the pingback fix in mp-wp, will reject self-pings as the ip address does not match (backend code runs on different server than front end site)
ave1: Turns out that the pingback fix in mp-wp, will reject self-pings as the ip address does not match (backend code runs on different server than front end site)
ave1: For mp-wp.
lobbes: anyways, I got js-selection working on my localhost test mp-wp. Footnotes too (which, I may say, are fun when compared to manually marking them up with <sup> tags). Now I gotta test comments, tweak aesthetics, and migrate to production. Hope to have the thing "live" this week along with post detailing notes of journey
hanbot: speaking of which, i'll have a genesis of mp-wp up this coming week.
esthlos: Hi all, I developed a vtron, writeup here: http://www.esthlos.com/posts/2018/03/17.html . I know I need a comments mechanism: next project is to get mp-wp working
mircea_popescu: spyked nice find. this'd not be in mp-wp by default, as it's eminently a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786583
lobbes: Anyone else got trilema's fancy js-text-selection working in their version of mp-wp? I ripped the js directly from trilema.com and slapped it into my 'footer.php', but no dice thus far. Is there some trick I'm missing?
lobbes: Biggest challenge for me was I had to figure out how to set up mysql for mp-wp via command-line (as I interact with my VPSen via ssh only). Turned out to be very simple once I did figure it out. Currently testing and tweaking themes, and then plan to post my own compendium cobbled from my notes once I get the thing into "production"
lobbes: in other new, I was able to erect mp-wp on my local test machine using hanbot's excellent guide for n00bs like me (I had never used ANY wp previously) >> http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
lobbes: so my current side-quest is to get ave1's mp-wp pressed and working (I have php 5.6 on my test machine so this should come in handy). lobbesblog right now is all 'manual html' with 'manual comments' a la dpb's, so I'ma need a more automated comments/publishing mechanism anyway. This oughta kill two birds with one stone, with added benefit that I can publish a n00b guide with notes on journey.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 23:23 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." << for future reference, mp-wp comment fix is in the edit here: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and will be a patch once that project can move again.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-22 00:01 phf: ^ comments welcome, hanbot let me know if you have problems getting it working, feedback from mp-wp would be appreciated
phf: ^ comments welcome, hanbot let me know if you have problems getting it working, feedback from mp-wp would be appreciated
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again." << for future reference, mp-wp comment fix is in the edit here: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and will be a patch once that project can move again.
hanbot: mircea_popescu basically they made a constitution ( http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true / just moved to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 ) yesterday, there's no releasing of whatever private discussions prior. they're going to do some power testing on customer boxes as a courtesy. ben_vulpes is going to take a few boxes there maybe next month. BingoBoingo "unsnarled" an mp-wp of unknown provenance, sadly he can't use the genesis item yet. some
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782606, will do! I didn't know it was doube stuck. At least now something is out, if anyone want to run mp-wp on php 5.6.
ave1: to be found here: http://ave1.org/2018/mp-wp-a-genesis/
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 13:43 ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 08:36 mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779624 : $ cat trilema.txt | grep -c '"HEAD ' > 5936. this is about 9 hours' worth of log. turns out mp-wp uses head to make sure pictures uploaded correctly ; turns out a lot of economical browsers use head on pics on a page prior to loading them, to check if they already have them in the cache.
trinque: to host mp-wp for instance, gonna have to either implement fcgi, cgi, or http proxy back to other http server
ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778269, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778038 ie. mp-wp & comments on nfs (php 5.6)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:06 ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
asciilifeform: hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp
ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
douchebag: It might be, I'm not sure at the moment if this was added with mp-wp or if it was uploaded to trilema.com's webhost a later date
mircea_popescu: douchebag was this actually in mp-wp ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 06:00 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 07:11 mircea_popescu: actually, hanbot is about to genesis mp-wp, you're more than welcome to help down with the paring down effort of that, if you want. mostly php.
douchebag: To make my job a little bit easier, could you tell me a little bit about mp-wp and how it differs from Wordpress?
mod6: So if you manually extract the 'mpwp/blog/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wpgallery/img/gallery.png.svg' from the mp-wp_genesis.vpatch, and place it in a file, and attempt to base64 decode it, it fails to decode.
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, make a mp-wp install for the young'un ? i've a mind to publicly expose her.
hanbot: mod6 there should be one orig, is in the mp-wp i was handed
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 06:00 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775981 >> can grab http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch & http://thewhet.net/testickle/mp-wp_genesis.vpatch.hanbot.sig ; pubkey's on about page if you need it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
hanbot: not empty, contains v itself, but no other mp-wp files
hanbot: here's an example: i've made a genesis of mp-wp by vdiffing against an empty dir of the same name; this when pressed results in all desired files + copy of each file appended with ".orig". leaving aside that i don't even currently know why the fuck this happened, never seen it before in a press: i don't even know what to point out to ascertain that this is in fact NOT what is supposed to occur! if i was teaching a girl to do it, and she were the
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775106 << using graphviz, looks like there's a php wrapper sitting in "pear", might be able to be turned into a mp-wp plugin
mircea_popescu: " Been here since 2012 I think" <<->> "Next is likely getting a copy of mp-wp up and running, posting some fg test results."
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Next is likely getting a copy of mp-wp up and running, posting some fg test results.
mircea_popescu: actually, hanbot is about to genesis mp-wp, you're more than welcome to help down with the paring down effort of that, if you want. mostly php.
mircea_popescu: no-binary mp-wp is a major fucking progress ; and if we set the groundwork for eventual complete rejection of all binary formats, image and then video, holy hell we got it.
phf: there's a reason why mp-wp hasn't been genesised yet :p
phf: the oldest solution, by i believe mp, is "replace all the mp-wp images with their svg equivalents"
hanbot: i'm trying to make a genesis for mp-wp ; first coupla lines of vdiff's output could be a problem: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/irACN/?raw=true . what's the policy on this?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
hanbot: in other lulz, check out /mp-wp/blog/wp-includes/Text/Diff.php
hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
asciilifeform: i'm satisfied that hanbot showed mp-wp to be usable on nfs
asciilifeform: hanbot: what means '10k marked spam comments' ? and didja ever post your patches on mp-wp ?
hanbot: asciilifeform i'm using mp-wp on nfs and spam works pretty much as expected ---though having ~10k marked spam comments helps.
asciilifeform reviewing notes from last attempt at mp-wp
mircea_popescu: use mp-wp, dun have the problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's ever looking for this, here's the curl that'll force-send a pingback on mp-wp :
mircea_popescu: or someone actually picks up mp-wp already.
mircea_popescu: no more need to run javascript (ie, unsecured remote code) ; no more need to "ask people to upgrade" ; no more anything of the idiotic sort. if i want a cuntoo/mp-wp/we it is now i have to ask here, and maybne someone produces one. this could just as well be handled by the machines, it's a machine task.
mircea_popescu: mp-wp yeah.
ReadErr: mircea_popescu: is mp-wp some wordpress ?
mircea_popescu: !#s mp-wp
shinohai: mp-wp worked equally well on apache and nginx for me. Never used another db besides mysql tho
mircea_popescu can't recall if mp-wp still supports psql or not
mircea_popescu: i expect it'll be patched into mpi. which she's going to also sign to genesis. sorta like how i signed mp-wp, and unlike how you didn't genesis it, or did you ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 11:49 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: but the good news is you can config your blogotron to just suck out pastes and put them in blockquotes itself. tho i've not had mp-wp do this
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 21:14 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
BingoBoingo: For webhosting though, one has to remember that hosting typically means MP-WP which can tax a database if the traffic is there
mircea_popescu: conceivably SOME of that came other than "because we published in today's mp-wp clone-wannabe"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone writing a tex processor for serenity (ex mp-wp) themes that shinohai can then just import as a standard would be pretty epic.
shinohai: it would surely run netbsd and mp-wp w/out hiccup
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 04:47 hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
hanbot: asciilifeform yeah thewhet.net is X_X atm. i'm futzing around with nfs to see if i can finagle a mp-wp-cum-import with them.
shinohai: If you need copy of mp-wp PeterL I can accomodate
mircea_popescu: if the dood bangs out tmsr-db within the next coupla weeks, which fwis isn't exactly inconceivable, is anyone interesrted in making mp-wp switch from mysql/etc to it ?
mircea_popescu: sina go make a drop-in flatfile db replacement, so people can drop it in right now. there's a market, such as people who aren't happy mp-wp pulls in mysql.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mp-wp is pretty neat
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 04:19 ben_vulpes: sina: sensible thing to do is make a genesis of your shit, stand up an mp-wp and post it on your blog
scriba: Logged on 2017-06-22: [23:58:00] <TomServo> Also, if someone could share a copy of mp-wp, that'd be swell.
TomServo: Also, if someone could share a copy of mp-wp, that'd be swell.
mircea_popescu: it's called mp-wp
ben_vulpes: sina: sensible thing to do is make a genesis of your shit, stand up an mp-wp and post it on your blog
asciilifeform: because your mp-wp lives on conventional static ip box.
mircea_popescu: also, it sohuld be noted, i dun have same problem with... mp-wp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice trilema doesn't suffer from same problem ; read mp-wp ; live happily ever after.
mircea_popescu: CompanionCube mp-wp for instance.
mircea_popescu: mod6 mp-wp makes thumbs automatically!
Framedragger: (though i'm sure mp-wp is on the whole ~decent in terms of holes/security.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i see what you mean, but you can't really call it 'static' by any metric. in point of fact i'm surprised you're not grossed out over the fact that the whole thing is a large stinking pile of dynamic php. i guess the counterargument is that it *gets the job done*, very well, over many years. :) so there's that. but i'd like to ditch the 'wp' from 'mp-wp' one day. but maybe baby steps.
shinohai mysql is the reason shinohai ..... has procrastinated with mp-wp
mircea_popescu: Framedragger thinking about it, the ~only correct solution is for the mp-wp maintainer to remove mysql in favour of a flatfile "db" system. then it will be properly static, or as close as its job allows.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Are you still playing with mp-wp?
ben_vulpes: fwiw i thought long and hard about this and ultimately migrated to mp-wp.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for a few days now, i think he's waiting for me to cough a mp-wp up
mircea_popescu: i dunno. in truth the maintenance of mp-wp is a bit in the air right now ; but if you want to make a patch by all means.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you got considerably farther than i did, in re mp-wp
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 22:14 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root)
asciilifeform: mp-wp supports footnotes ~in comments~ ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 15:06 mircea_popescu: and before anyone asks : the advantage of this is that this solution scales. ACTUALLY scales. specifically, if at any point in his own time and for any reason in ~his own domain~ taleb wants to get more control, he can. he actually can. you explain to him, when he asks, HOW to be more in control of his mp-wp install. in terms of configuring the php script, or in terms of configuring the apache server, or in terms of configuri
mircea_popescu: and before anyone asks : the advantage of this is that this solution scales. ACTUALLY scales. specifically, if at any point in his own time and for any reason in ~his own domain~ taleb wants to get more control, he can. he actually can. you explain to him, when he asks, HOW to be more in control of his mp-wp install. in terms of configuring the php script, or in terms of configuring the apache server, or in terms of configuri
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:23 Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..)
Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..)
asciilifeform: to set up proper box, 'mp-wp', etc. ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: have you ever wrestled with mp-wp stripping '.' characters from uploaded filenames when there's more than one?
phf: it didn't but even mp-wp has a bunch of admin interface images. magnifying glass, scissors, that sort of stuff
mircea_popescu: yeah ; mp-wp had no themes did it.
mircea_popescu: i think he'd greatly benefit from mp-wp, but anyway
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: huh. i thought mp-wp woulda had that setting. my second comment on that first article went through unimpeded.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone wants to check how wordpress does latex formatting and roll a mp-wp plugin / v update for it that'd be grand. in typical faux open source style, they're remarkably unhelpful with it (see https://en.support.wordpress.com/latex/ )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wouldn't need to alter it however. afaik mp-wp doesn't either ; handles redirects itself like a grown-up system ??
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#143 << i have no idea ; mp-wp would handle it automatically (in the sense that i can at any time / for any reason change url, old one gets redir to new one ; and also can switch from ?p= to proper title url seamlessly). no idea however about alf-wp
phf: from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's tending our flower bed"
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [17:37:23] <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [20:30:04] <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538902 << you'll probably find this as useful as any other rodent carcass left on your pillow, but over the last 2 months i've racked my own metal, migrated out of virtualization to the new box, ported my blog to mp-wp, and stood the obvious tmsr services up on the new box (blog, paster, node). it doesn't look like much from the outside, but paying down debt of necessity
mircea_popescu: hooly crap, /me just realises that mp-wp actually has
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: my mp-wp is leaking pingbacks
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0cdd986e-6ee0-4067-923c-5a4ca2f0c52b/?raw=true << if anyone on mp-wp wants 403s in their http webserver logs when login failures occur
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's a mp-wp ancient script thing shinohai was massaging.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, mp-wp did not exist in 1990s ; nor did lamp.
mircea_popescu: at least in mp-wp :p
mircea_popescu: one mp-wp to rule them all and in the darkness diddle them or how did that go.