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mircea_popescu: these mega fucking logs of late... i dunno how the lurkers do it.
ben_vulpes: oh dear i am going to need a vastly better system for debiting unearned income.
ben_vulpes bbl
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell fromdeedbot stop join/parting.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809270 << jesus fucking christ, ~every time you're in here there's a new rendition of this abject kramerism. why not read what people are saying rather than jump to the same idiosyncratically-imagined categories of what people could possibly express? what, you figure making the same brushstroke over and over will eventually paint tmsr into what'd be convenient for you personally?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:57 zx2c4: - hanno being a journalist is a mere cover story for a more sinister secret government intelligence job he holds.
mod6: lobbes: did you ever figure out your trb issue that you ran into?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i like mircea_popescu's optimism and good spirit << Same, thanks for your advise and insights, Sir.
lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
lobbes: well, the tail end of the log (I neglected to log the output of 'screen')
mircea_popescu: that's mp-wp ?
lobbes: oh no, that is trb
lobbes: i.e. not yet figured out trb, because I've been working on mp-wp migration
mircea_popescu: iirc screen logs automatically. screen.log
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6 : if lobbes is interested in selling on commission, i would like him to begin asap , with your approval << Sounds good to me, gotta work out the details, etc, but hey, yeah, whatever we can do to push into heathondom
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ditto danielpbarron or anybody else whose hands grow from correct organ and wants to step up to this mission << werd
lobbes: mircea_popescu, oh nice tip! I'll have to check for it..
mod6 looks @ lobbes' error
mod6: lobbes: what OS are you building on?
lobbes: debian 7
lobbes: (wheezy)
mod6: yeah, I believe i have seen something like this before
mod6: did you downgrade your gcc from (6 or whatever it is to 4, I'm guessing you did)? And perhaps I recall something not being quite linked correctly in
mod6 scratches head...
mod6: /etc/alternatives or whatever.
mod6: try seeing in your shell if "c" is linked to anything.
lobbes: yeah, I made sure gcc was 4. Actually, I have notes on the exact versions of all the packages listed in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
mod6: Yeah, hmm, I might be mis-remembering or misreading this one. Lemme look again
mod6: how much of your log was snipped? looks like tons.
lobbes: yeah, I can jump on and see if I can get the full thing via screen.log
mod6: alright. looks to me like it got all the way through the deps builds, but for some reason puked when trying to build trb itself.
mod6: I presume you got a good press when you used V to press it out?
mod6: (no errors were encountered?)
lobbes: heres package version info >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kuBuY/?raw=true
lobbes: my guess is my press may be the cause
mod6: did you install 'build-essential' ?
mod6: Hey, thanks for saving those versions!
lobbes: I tried to press on the first pass with asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch, and it -seemed- to work. I essentially followed the trb how-to ONLINE build, but then downloaded the aggressive patch and seal from btcbase/patches
lobbes: then issued: "./v.pl p v trb054 asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch"
mod6: hmm. just a sec.
lobbes: no errors and everything made it into tbr054/bitcoin >>http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sbkbq/?raw=true
lobbes: oh yeah, no rush. I figure I may as well give what I got at once
mod6: Ok, I checked myself, too, and from your above paste of the press, and my experience just now, your press I presume was fine.
mod6: So what does this show you:
mod6: command -v cc
mod6: (i suspect this to be a possible debian weird-ness)
lobbes: /usr/bin/cc
mod6: what does `ls -al /usr/bin/cc` show you?
lobbes: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 4 00:29 /usr/bin/cc -> /etc/alternatives/cc
mod6: and if you do `ls -al /etc/alternatives/cc` ?
lobbes is following the pattern now >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n8J9Z/?raw=true
lobbes: and then if I try to ls gcc-4.7 I get: ls: cannot access gcc-4.7: No such file or directory
lobbes: damn
mod6: what about `ls -al /usr/bin/g++` ?
mod6: woah
mod6: really?
lobbes: oh wait, duh. that makes sense
mod6: try this: `command -v gcc-4.7` see what it tells you, then do `ls -al <from_whatever_command-v_told_you>
mod6: `
lobbes composes more pastes
mod6: it's probably /usr/bin/gcc-4.7
lobbes: yeah it is
mod6: ok
lobbes: for good measure , results of above anyway >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/l9RJL/?raw=true
mod6: what i suspect, is that the original makefile.unix can't find something it needs.
mod6: alright.
mod6: well, wanna follow some more steps so we can capture a proper, shorter output?
mod6: (of the error)
lobbes: yeah I'm game
mod6: ok
mod6: so go to your trb machine, and then cd into : bitcoin/src
lobbes: k, I'm there
mod6: alright, next, do this exactly:
mod6: make -f makefile.unix clean
lobbes goes to make sure logging is working
lobbes: alright command issued
mod6: ok next, do this exactly:
mod6: cd ../build
lobbes: k
mod6: ok lastly, this exactly:
mod6: make -f Makefile.rotor bitcoind
lobbes: ah, there I got a egogg: make: *** No rule to make target `bitcoin'. Stop.
mod6: 'bitcoind'
lobbes: ack. k alright
lobbes: different error now
mod6: post error
mod6: plz
lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qtUD9/?raw=true
mod6 looks
mod6: ok samething.
mod6: hang tight, one sec here..
mod6: ok
mod6: <+mod6> did you install 'build-essential' ?
mod6: And if not, I think we might be able to try working around it here quick,.
lobbes: nice! ty for the help
lobbes: brb
mod6: ok
lobbes: back
mod6: are you still in the 'bitcoin/build' directory?
lobbes: yes
mod6: ok try this:
mod6: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc
lobbes: k, issued
mod6: ok next:
mod6: make -f Makefile.rotor bitcoind
mod6: (see if you get anything different this time)
lobbes: same error looks like
mod6: hmm, ok.
mod6: well, this is a deb problem of some kind.
mod6: my next suggestion is to try to install build-essential, ala: `apt-get install build-essential`
mod6: and see if that solves it for ya.
mod6: for folks following along, these problems are very common in ubuntu and debian.
lobbes goes to check
lobbes: now that I think of it, I had to install 'make' in the beginning O.o
lobbes: alright, build-essential installed
mod6: ok, try this again:
mod6: make -f Makefile.rotor bitcoind
lobbes: damn, same thing
mod6: alright, do this:
mod6: source ~/.bashrc
mod6: (want to clear the export CC)
mod6: then do this again:
mod6: make -f Makefile.rotor bitcoind
lobbes: ah okay. no ~/.bashrc on this thing, digging on how to clear that in debian
mod6: oh just do this:
mod6: export CC=
lobbes: okay, cleared and tried make again, but same egogg
mod6: this is soemthing really dumb we're missing here. i'm nearly sure i've encountered this before but can't remember what the pill is.
mod6: do this:
mod6: make --version
lobbes: 3.81
lobbes: possibly relevant thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698646
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 02:50 mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKxpS/?raw=true
lobbes: error looks similar (archived) >> http://archive.is/UdM7q
mod6 looks
mod6: ok standby
mircea_popescu: jesus wth happened here
mod6: lobbes: if you are still in the `bitcoin/build' directory, what does `ls -al toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++` return?
mod6: mircea_popescu: no clue.
lobbes: ls: cannot access toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++: No such file or directory
mod6: ok.
mircea_popescu: mod6, lobbes any reason this can't work in pm ?
mod6: so something waaaay earlier on failed to build.
mod6: mircea_popescu: done.
douchebag: hey mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: sup
mod6: Sorry all, thought it might be helpful to others if we got his problem resolved.
douchebag: !!v mother[m]
mod6: Notice that there was no real resolution to the mike_c problem referenced by lobbes.
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: mother is one of my friends, he's a businessman and has a lot of good connections and would definitely be of use for the security firm
douchebag: I explained to him the idea, and I was thinking mother[m] could be handling the business aspect
mother[m]: Hello
mircea_popescu: hi there.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the republic >.>
mother[m]: Good to be here. douchebag gave me the big picture of what this would look like.
mircea_popescu: so wanna tell the group a little about yourself ?
lobbes: !#s http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=who+is+your+daddy
a111: 0 results for "http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=who+is+your+daddy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fbtcbase.org%2Flog-search%3Fq%3Dwho%2Bis%2Byour%2Bdaddy
mother[m]: Finance/Tech background mostly. Sold the IP in my last company I co-Founded with my friend that was at the Rackspace IPO. Just came back from West Africa using drones for geological surveying reselling the data to mining companies/using a prospect generation business model for new opportunities there.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mother[m] 1 things.
deedbot: mother[m] is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: mother[m], once that goes through you'll be able to voice yourself ; feel free to contribute if there's something.
mircea_popescu: oh. hm. not registered ?
mother[m]: I'm on Riot/Matrix, sec.
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: I'll help him get his PGP key setup
mircea_popescu: mother[m], don't you find it difficult to do business without pgp ? i mean... how do you even keep comms secret ?
douchebag: He's doing that right now
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in #entomologist, the great successes of the webworld : https://archive.is/BABpP#selection-1653.0-1650.6
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: About how long?
lobbes: "The site is under heavy development, data shown could be out of sync. And its full with bugs :-)"
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810194 << exactly it. your musl gcc never built, so trb has nothing to be built ~with~. you must find out why it did not build. but i recommend burning your heathen linux to the ground and using danielpbarron's, or trinque's, or mine, gentoo recipe
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 06:41 lobbes: possibly relevant thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698646
asciilifeform: the 'make[1]: c: Command not found' thing is dead giveaway.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810202 << ah there we go.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 06:48 lobbes: ls: cannot access toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++: No such file or directory
shinohai: Was reading logs this morning and saw: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810071 ... On newer deb/african pthread issues were solved with `libpthread-stubs0-dev` pkg
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 05:31 lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
shinohai: I remembered it from the agent zero sessions
shinohai: Anywho, do with it what you will.
douchebag: hey
douchebag: can someone rate mother[m]
douchebag: so that he can up himelf
douchebag: !!rate mother[m] business dude
douchebag: !!rate mother[m] 1 business dude
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akDvx/?raw=true
douchebag: !!v B2547117925CBD3576E3D588584F3F90F0596EC1E2B45938E999D44D10F2D98C
deedbot: douchebag rated mother[m] 1 << business dude
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
mother[m]: That works.
mother[m]: @mircea_popescu have one on Keybase I use, but primarily use Signal, Telegram for co-located team members as the interface gradually became more 'Slack-like'
mother[m]: Going forward I wanted to pivot to Keybase Teams.
mother[m]: I'm more interested in buying options/forwards on both BTC and ETH.
mother[m]: To my knowledge, Nadex is the only regulated exchange on the US markets for this right now.
mod6: asciilifeform: aha, for those following along, we moved that conversation to #trilema-mod6
diana_coman: phf, further clarifications on your questions re eulora's protocol: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1168
mircea_popescu: mother[m], the republic doesn't much care for usg pretense, "regulation" or otherwise. why would you ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, website-security is another way of saying no security.
mircea_popescu: !!key mother[m]
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/7AA8FDF2111A472EC370A85BA3CF0E94E51C0814.asc
mircea_popescu: !!rate mother[m] 1 things
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tyuRV/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: douchebag, there.
mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re bitcoin options (and strictly bitcoin options -- ethereum is not a thing nor can be considered as one anymore than you can consider "real estate" on imaginary planets a part of this discussion) there are two problems.
mircea_popescu: the general is that there exists no reliable bitcoin price signal. most (by VERY far most) bitcoin transactions are handled otc, and not reported, and usually settle over non-economic considerations. for instance -- most of the btc the usg has historically lost on the market in its half dozen or so attempts to mainipulate the price were obtained by theft and extortion, not by economic activity, and consequently they didn't ha
mircea_popescu: ve a meaningful price anyone ever ascertained.
mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
mircea_popescu: mpex offered options for a long, long time, but mostly because the nascent republic required its currency protected in those early days ; back when i was personaly large enough to maintain some vague semblance of discipline in the marketplace singlehandedly. it's meanwhile wel loutgrown me and so...
mircea_popescu: however, the ~personal~ problem is that even in those early days, options systematically expired at the max pain point (as for instance discussed in http://trilema.com/2011/max-pain/ though it was a regular occurence really.
mircea_popescu: so if you, mother[m], have other goals than losing your shirt, putting your money in bitcoin options, forwards, whatever time-derivative is exactly the incorrect strategy.
mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile charles gildon is the bad because a) male and b) said the bad about HEROINES OF FEMINISM. and Edmund Curll is just as bad, because he was friends with that baddie gildon. notwithstanding ~100% of what the aspirational class is all the fuck about is, "being a curll of the 21st century", no more and nothing else. somehow the hero of neets is not remarkable to the very neets in question.
mircea_popescu: turns out the darkness of what's later referred to as a "dark age" is not actually visible from inside the age in question ; pantsuited morons from crisconius to comnena similarly felt well at ease on their redditardits, wikitardits &cetertardits.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform, nobody's going to send a proper miner to fucking uruguay. you don't even have the power for it there. << Maybe at the dam in Salto, but no way in hell Montevideo.
mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
mircea_popescu: it's the fucking megawatt standard! not the picowatt or anything.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> turns out the darkness of what's later referred to as a "dark age" is not actually visible from inside the age in question << dunning-kruger ain't just for individuals
mircea_popescu: especially compounded by the only truly universal religion, panglossism. what's a pious fraud or two when at stake's not having to get fat ass off couch!
BingoBoingo: But yeah, in the Pizarro rack would be insanity. For miners in Uruguay to work it would be necessary to take the dam at Salto and mine with the power that would have gone to the Argentine side.
mircea_popescu: the funny part is that these are some people for whom simultaneously two things stand : a) that the best thing they can hear about homework is "it's already done" ; and b) that the best possible state is "youth".
mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
hanbot: i dunno, i think the best thing they can hear about homework is that they're so special they don't need to do it. their unicornity shall manifest, and better to retain/don the woolies of youth to maximize the potential for manifesting firstbestbiggest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i suspect hearing that always comes with a however-hidden sense of shame / suspicion. they kinda look like they think it's tgtbt.
hanbot: which is possibly another reason why curll/gildon are officially bad; they actively did things, making idle spellcasters look bad.
lobbes: the whole "fixation on youth" thing really feeds into the insanity cycle, huh? That age where "anything is possible" as long as you don't let experience (be it from others or self) tell you otherwise
mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure, "Everything is possible" -- with the usual caveat that "just as long as it's not big, noteworthy or important". a kid "can do anything" except nothing interesting, something kids generally keenly feel but apparently ustarded adults somehow forget.
hanbot: mircea_popescu eh, shame / suspicion are just anxiety / depression! there's pills, and "everybody goes through it" and "it's not their fault" etc
mircea_popescu: hanbot, not just DID things ; but did things as if they had license to do things. it's this sort of mental independence that botheres them most re gildon i suspect, "how dares he write biographies exactly LIKE HOW WE WRITE THEM!!! not a word of his is true, nor of the official lifestory of obama-clinton-oprah".
hanbot: indeed
mircea_popescu: ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/memoranda-of-congress/#selection-157.596-161.1
mircea_popescu: "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" aka http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ aka "pantsuit is only sovereign"
lobbes: "nothing else outside of the empire's walls. this is it", so can do "anything" within that reality, which reduces to "nothing of import". But still, can
lobbes: 't see the dark age from inside
mircea_popescu: cuz it's never dark, from inside. the amusing situation of classical eschatology is that lucifer simply forked the chain, and as best can tell is a very credible and not at all falen angel.
mircea_popescu: ie, http://trilema.com/2016/the-darkening/#selection-63.0-67.346
mircea_popescu: "For as long as there is even one, all the others have died in vain. And once there's not a single one left, they had never existed altogether in the first place."
mircea_popescu: !!up quadsar
deedbot: quadsar voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other accidentally exposed lulz, http://data.vtc.pw/
lobbes: in other news, I have a trb node up now and eating blocks (thanks to mod6 for all his troubleshooting efforts, and asciilifeform for confirmation of suspicions)
lobbes: details of resolution can be found over in castle mod6 >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-5-5#350950
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-05 21:42 lobbes: as promised, details: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IBQ84/?raw=true
lobbes: I will soon blog this into a proper post.. but mysql on heathen vps shit the bed. Posts to resume once migration to rockchip box complete
ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
lobbes: naw, on heathen cheap dedi
lobbes: rockchip will house blog, www, and botworks most likely
ben_vulpes: gotcha; what are their rates?
ben_vulpes: or who is it
lobbes: 25 bezzlebucks a month. Some dc in Kansas or something to that effect
lobbes: "wholesale internet"
lobbes: hdd only, but I got the aggressive patch applied, so will see if it can hack it
mircea_popescu: !!up phatcat
deedbot: phatcat voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/wife-initiated-pantsuit-code-of-conduct-hypocrisy-leads-to-llvm-developer-departure/ << Qntra - Wife Initiated Pantsuit Code Of Conduct Hypocrisy Leads To LLVM Developer Departure
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
mircea_popescu: apparently usg came to terms with llvm failing in its strategic goals being unavoidable by now.
mod6: lobbes: great job on getting trb going, and on tying up all the ends so if anyone hits that same problem again!
mod6: o7
asciilifeform finally switching on phuctor-werker, 3447567 remaining Framedragger keyz will be crunched.
asciilifeform: ( 1000000/shots/key fermat took ~3day and found nuffin new )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810259 << holy fuq, i had nfi that particular scamola were still going strong
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 13:44 mother[m]: Going forward I wanted to pivot to Keybase Teams.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 16:47 mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
asciilifeform: cocktail of voodoo buzzwords in exchange for monopoly money.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810275 << it often bothers asciilifeform that we ~use~ the magic numbers erry time we trade usd etc. but i've nothing to propose to replace this
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 17:00 mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810283 << thinking about this again, i suspect that the age of '1kw miner in half a rack' ended some time in 2013-14
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:48 mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
asciilifeform: today it would prolly not be worth cost of transport, even if one found it at a junkyard
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810289 << once in a century you find young+did-homework
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:52 mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810312 << the pilot plant rockchips will sync up to, idk, late 2014, then the 128G disk will fill. ben_vulpes oughta know this.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 22:01 ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810322 << this is goodforbitcoin (tm)(r)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 23:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/wife-initiated-pantsuit-code-of-conduct-hypocrisy-leads-to-llvm-developer-departure/ << Qntra - Wife Initiated Pantsuit Code Of Conduct Hypocrisy Leads To LLVM Developer Departure
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other olds : https://archive.li/eRWkM << phuctor, october 2013.
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/WFINU << ditto, may 2015; 18 broken keyz.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not physically possible ; everyone's born a virgin.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was asking him not speaking to my own knowledge
mircea_popescu: aaand in "readers meet trilema, an ancient story" retrospective lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/#comment-119601
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i thought you were discreetly suggesting not to try.
ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
mircea_popescu: tis what i thought.
mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2143. over 2k now.
mircea_popescu: that's +76 moduli, +50 factors (35% increase). a most interestign crop.
asciilifeform: still writing , btw
mircea_popescu: much more productive in terms of new-factors density, huh.
mircea_popescu: is this coincidental ?
asciilifeform: well, 3.5mil of new keyz..
asciilifeform: whoknows what's in there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that between 4th of may and 6th of may it churned ~2mn moduli and cracked 76 is, in the terms, context and for the mind of us limp dick "researchers" nothing short of staggering.
asciilifeform: ( and yes , we can now swallow 3.5m in 2days )
mircea_popescu: apparently the republic has nsa hardware!!1
asciilifeform: takes about 70GB of ram to run.
asciilifeform: ( peak )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, i suppose after the jurov set is also fed a new fermatting is in order ? considering there's a lot of new numbers to play with.
mircea_popescu: ie, the factors set changed significantly enough
asciilifeform: fermat, and conventional , both
asciilifeform: will run.
mircea_popescu: aha. so this is covered for what, about 2 weeks (tm) ?
asciilifeform: approx
asciilifeform: then we can do sks.
asciilifeform: then time for new Framedragger-style hunt. or ssl hunt.
mircea_popescu: funny how the "journalists" with "interests" are all covering the various broken ssh keys in the wild.
asciilifeform: oh hey massive new burst
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you mean a fresh sks dump ? are we running a server or how did that go ?
asciilifeform: nope, recall, it requires a cooperating existing sks server. we -- leech manually.
mircea_popescu: factors 236 << check that out! it practically doubled it.
mircea_popescu: exciting times.
asciilifeform: takes a day or 2 to grab a snapshot of sks. another day to cut it. then swallows in 1-2d
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i suppose the fact of the matter is, as keys get added the likeliness of broken moduli staying secret drops... which may account for the seeming density increase.
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: let's leave some crumbs for the archival : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, ima try an' write this up after the two weeks. unless you want to ?
asciilifeform: plz go ahead, i muchly enjoyed the last coupla phuctortrilemas
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re hunt, i can't imagine why one'd just do either ssl or ssh. gotta do both really at the same time, why not.
asciilifeform: tru
mircea_popescu: see what machine exposes in .well-known/ ; and what it says on 443 just as well as on 22 or w/e.
asciilifeform: ssl crapola scan is useful also to distinguish the brokenssh boxes from one another ( as i did since the orig scan, e.g. mikrotik )
asciilifeform: ( given as sslpubkeys have commentstrings )
asciilifeform: oh heeey moooar

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